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Hidden Snake Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.10.22 08:26:00 - [181] Originally by: Parmenides Elea You can't see how pulling the pos out of fw to take advantage of a game mechanic makes you nothing but poor loosers? I thought the whole pos thing was inspired however the way you backed out when it looked like you might loose just makes you lame. Sorry BM but all my respect for what you achieved was lost yesterday dt, you shot yourselves in the foot with that complete act of cowerdice. Well isn't it the same tactics which Wolfy took in the moment u start to loose iskies in Tama? I think that this honor/respect is bull in a space full of ganking, espionage, outblobing and scam. it is like WW1 pilot dueling style in modern war where cruise missiles are hitting u on hundreds kms. i dont like some methods too, but only because they were used on me so I am adapting (same as PERVS did).
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.10.22 08:42:00 - [182] You have to be kidding snake! After spending almost a year purely pvping some of our members funds where running dry so it was an ideal oppourtunity to try something new. We did, we didn't like it, we came back. How is that comparable to putting up a pos in gal high sec (great idea), shouting about it on eve-o and then pulling the corp out of fw when it looks like they might loose? We was all looking forward to the epic fight and it never came thanks to the cowerdice shown by pervs. I was wrong to think that the caldari would fight with honour, I guess the 2 months spent in 0.0 gave me rose tinted glasses. Lesson learnt! Yesterday 5 wolfy engaged a 22 man cladari fleet for ****zngiggles, we lost but we fought and had a great time. Try it sometime, you might enjoy yourselves!
Hidden Snake Caldari More-Cowbell	Posted - 2009.10.22 08:53:00 - [183] Originally by: Parmenides Elea You have to be kidding snake! After spending almost a year purely pvping some of our members funds where running dry so it was an ideal oppourtunity to try something new. We did, we didn't like it, we came back. How is that comparable to putting up a pos in gal high sec (great idea), shouting about it on eve-o and then pulling the corp out of fw when it looks like they might loose? We was all looking forward to the epic fight and it never came thanks to the cowerdice shown by pervs. I was wrong to think that the caldari would fight with honour, I guess the 2 months spent in 0.0 gave me rose tinted glasses. Lesson learnt! Yesterday 5 wolfy engaged a 22 man cladari fleet for ****zngiggles, we lost but we fought and had a great time. Try it sometime, you might enjoy yourselves! This has nothing to do with honor. Yesterday I had BC gang (21 people - 10 bcs) and we ganked frogs in low sec ... later on I get intel on ur BS heavy gang(s) so I decided to lead them home. On the gate to ichoryia we decided we dont like our BCs anymore and we will rush into kinda suicide assault (there was massive fleet vote) and yes we fought outnumbered against BS heavy gang. So I know the feeling, but despite the feeling we lost so I have to adapt to be better later and lure u into better trap. :) anyway I suck as FC (but it is still fun ;) )
Pivot P'tesh DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.22 10:55:00 - [184] So this thread was basically first about Caldari bashing Gallente, then Gallente bashing a POS and then Caldari bashing Caldari. Would read again.
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:00:00 - [185] Originally by: Pivot P'tesh So this thread was basically first about Caldari bashing Gallente, then Gallente bashing a POS and then Caldari bashing Caldari. Would read again. In fact this is PERVS pos bashing gallente thread still.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:13:00 - [186] Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Pivot P'tesh So this thread was basically first about Caldari bashing Gallente, then Gallente bashing a POS and then Caldari bashing Caldari. Would read again. In fact this is PERVS pos bashing gallente thread still. Except without the PERVS owning the POS directly or the POS still being in caldari FW. --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market !
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:21:00 - [187] Originally by: Muad' Dib Originally by: Bad Messenger Originally by: Pivot P'tesh So this thread was basically first about Caldari bashing Gallente, then Gallente bashing a POS and then Caldari bashing Caldari. Would read again. In fact this is PERVS pos bashing gallente thread still. Except without the PERVS owning the POS directly or the POS still being in caldari FW. Exactly, but just this makes EVE so wonderful world as it is.
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:25:00 - [188] wtb: Accelerated Corp Vote system all i want is some cake.
Rmage Gemmell	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:34:00 - [189] Originally by: BacardiDesire wtb: Accelerated Corp Vote system Why did you block me in-game ? All i want is ISK for to feed family and baby. I need isk to sell for RL food. PLS GIVE ISK !!!
Unfamed II Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:36:00 - [190] Originally by: BacardiDesire wtb: Accelerated Corp Vote system Would be awesome, like so that if CEO has 51% or more of the corp's shares, he could instantly dec someone. On the POS thing, best thing it accomplished: Rabid cat in Villore local. Now that's the best grief ever. Originally by: Sandslinger of CA So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre

Syekuda Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:37:00 - [191] Originally by: Parmenides Elea You have to be kidding snake! After spending almost a year purely pvping some of our members funds where running dry so it was an ideal oppourtunity to try something new. We did, we didn't like it, we came back. How is that comparable to putting up a pos in gal high sec (great idea), shouting about it on eve-o and then pulling the corp out of fw when it looks like they might loose? We was all looking forward to the epic fight and it never came thanks to the cowerdice shown by pervs. I was wrong to think that the caldari would fight with honour, I guess the 2 months spent in 0.0 gave me rose tinted glasses. Lesson learnt! Yesterday 5 wolfy engaged a 22 man cladari fleet for ****zngiggles, we lost but we fought and had a great time. Try it sometime, you might enjoy yourselves! please get glasses or get a brain. FFS. If its not clear enough in the last page you really need glasses. I think its pretty obvious that if a corp gets in FW, it doesn't necessarily mean that the whole FW militia members will accept them. Look at PERVS pos event and Gavin... All I have to say is there could be so much done in villore with that POS against the Gal but ...
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:40:00 - [192] Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 22/10/2009 11:40:26 Originally by: Antoine Lefevre Originally by: Victriferusianus Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 21/10/2009 14:31:55 1. put up tower 2. put it in militia 3. get it shot at and reinforced 4. let the strontium carry it past the next dt 5. pull corp from militia 6. rep up pos 7. repeat steps 2 to 6 ad nauseum ...enjoy losing ships every other day Gallente You forgot that after n iterations ( where n is some small number depending on the GMs) there will be one additional step: 6+. Say hello to Ban Hammer Actually this is the same situation as a corporation leaving alliance to save POS. That has been in game for a long time and is still not an exploit. Actually it is considered an exploit if it is done multiple times, but not the first
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.10.22 12:50:00 - [193] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 22/10/2009 11:40:26 Originally by: Antoine Lefevre Originally by: Victriferusianus Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 21/10/2009 14:31:55 1. put up tower 2. put it in militia 3. get it shot at and reinforced 4. let the strontium carry it past the next dt 5. pull corp from militia 6. rep up pos 7. repeat steps 2 to 6 ad nauseum ...enjoy losing ships every other day Gallente You forgot that after n iterations ( where n is some small number depending on the GMs) there will be one additional step: 6+. Say hello to Ban Hammer Actually this is the same situation as a corporation leaving alliance to save POS. That has been in game for a long time and is still not an exploit. Actually it is considered an exploit if it is done multiple times, but not the first uhh, that his total bull**** . how is it not an exploit the first time but is the seond time ???
Astra Solare	Posted - 2009.10.22 13:19:00 - [194] Edited by: Astra Solare on 22/10/2009 13:21:04 Well, about different opinions - same action might be smart tactical move or cowardly move depending on fact is this your friend or enemy ;) For example: Situation I. Small Wolfy gang (a) fights one caladari militia member (b). Situation II. Big caldari militia blob (a) fights small Wolfy gang (b). In both cases (a) might be accusing of blobing as well as say that they are right to use their advantage in numbers. As well as (b) might be called cowards when running away or say that they do "tactical maneuver - retreat". Similar is situation III. Big Gallente blob (a) is fighting lonely PERVS POS (b). So with all repect but I see double standarts here in some Gallente posts. And some people (who is shaming PERVS in this tread) are not so white and shiny knights as they might think about themselves. ---------------------------------------------- Short vesion of written above - "Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks".
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.10.22 13:45:00 - [195] Originally by: Astra Solare Edited by: Astra Solare on 22/10/2009 13:21:04 Well, about different opinions - same action might be smart tactical move or cowardly move depending on fact is this your friend or enemy ;) For example: Situation I. Small Wolfy gang (a) fights one caladari militia member (b). Situation II. Big caldari militia blob (a) fights small Wolfy gang (b). In both cases (a) might be accusing of blobing as well as say that they are right to use their advantage in numbers. As well as (b) might be called cowards when running away or say that they do "tactical maneuver - retreat". Similar is situation III. Big Gallente blob (a) is fighting lonely PERVS POS (b). So with all repect but I see double standarts here in some Gallente posts. And some people (who is shaming PERVS in this tread) are not so white and shiny knights as they might think about themselves. ---------------------------------------------- Short vesion of written above - "Opinions are like *******s. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks". But in both situation I and II wolfy still fight. In situation III PERVS chicken out and don't. No double standards here.
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.22 13:58:00 - [196] Originally by: Nidhiesk uhh, that his total bull**** . how is it not an exploit the first time but is the seond time ??? GM Said it might be because they left the alliance/fw for other reasons and that they can't actually prove what their intentions at first was, unless they do it multiple times Or they're just lazy, these exploits have been in the game and used for quite a while now, although a lot more often used in alliances rather than fw, the only way you can counter it with alliances is to leave your own alliance with your corp an hour or so before the 24 hour cool down ends, when you leave the alliance the cool down will start again giving you enough time to kill the pos But for fw, I have no idea what you could do
Astra Solare	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:03:00 - [197] Originally by: Parmenides Elea Originally by: Astra Solare Edited by: Astra Solare on 22/10/2009 13:21:04 Well, about different opinions - same action might be smart tactical move or cowardly move depending on fact is this your friend or enemy ;) For example: Situation I. Small Wolfy gang (a) fights one caladari militia member (b). Situation II. Big caldari militia blob (a) fights small Wolfy gang (b). In both cases (a) might be accusing of blobing as well as say that they are right to use their advantage in numbers. As well as (b) might be called cowards when running away or say that they do "tactical maneuver - retreat". Similar is situation III. Big Gallente blob (a) is fighting lonely PERVS POS (b). So with all repect but I see double standarts here in some Gallente posts. And some people (who is shaming PERVS in this tread) are not so white and shiny knights as they might think about themselves. ---------------------------------------------- Short vesion of written above - "Opinions are like *****s. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks". But in both situation I and II wolfy still fight. In situation III PERVS chicken out and don't. No double standards here. ???? You are either liar or just simply dont bother to think even a little. This is EVE this is not WOW. Nobody in right state of mind will fight lost fight unless forced (or in rare case is **ed off and angry as hell). Because here nobody spawns on graveyard with his ship and loot intact. And lost ships and stuff cost money and time. People who is fighting against force that is outblobing them have more money than brains because they will be LOOSING ISKs as well that will in time result in bankrupcy (depends on ship and mods expences and amount of fights against outnumbering enemy). What you said was simply ridiculous crap or lies.
Parmenides Elea Gallente Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:20:00 - [198] Astra I can link killboards for you but its not worth it. You've obviously never fought against us or you'd know we fight because its fun not because we are going to win (which incidently most times we do ) All Pervs had to do was get the miltia to turn up and help defend the pos (a task simular to the one the gallente had to achieve to get the numbers to take the pos into reinforce in the first place), the fight would have been epic with hundreds of people involved. Instead they just took the easy way out and denied everyone involved what promised to be the fight of the gallente/caldari war. Thats why PERVS have lost so much respect because they robbed us all of what would have been an amazing fight/
Gallactica Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:29:00 - [199] Originally by: Astra Solare [ ???? You are either liar or just simply dont bother to think even a little. This is EVE this is not WOW. Nobody in right state of mind will fight lost fight unless forced (or in rare case is ****ed off and angry as hell). Because here nobody spawns on graveyard with his ship and loot intact. And lost ships and stuff cost money and time. People who is fighting against force that is outblobing them have more money than brains because they will be LOOSING ISKs as well that will in time result in bankrupcy (depends on ship and mods expences and amount of fights against outnumbering enemy). What you said was simply ridiculous crap or lies. Because people enjoy the fighting, whether you win or lose (everyone prefers to win ofc!) You do play the game to have fun dont you? Also, back on topic - The Pervs deserved (and got from a lot of people including me as i thought it was a great idea) big props for what they came up with here, but unfortunately lost all that kudos the second that POS was pulled from FW - Bit of a shame. And another vote from me to have instant war dec facility!
BacardiDesire Caldari The 8th Order	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:47:00 - [200] Originally by: Unfamed II Originally by: BacardiDesire wtb: Accelerated Corp Vote system Would be awesome, like so that if CEO has 51% or more of the corp's shares, he could instantly dec someone. On the POS thing, best thing it accomplished: Rabid cat in Villore local. Now that's the best grief ever. This is Rabbit the Cat. \▄▄☻ .\|\| \|\| Rabbit the Cat got catnapped. The evil pervs asking a 5 Million ransom. I'm just a poor guy, but Rabbit really is the best cat ever. Help me get Rabbit back! Please donate some money. TY tbh 24 hours for a vote is way to long =\ all i want is some cake.

Ulstan	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:07:00 - [201] Edited by: Ulstan on 22/10/2009 15:11:55 Originally by: Parmenides Elea You can't see how pulling the pos out of fw to take advantage of a game mechanic makes you nothing but poor loosers? How is this any different than WOFLY dropping out of FW, then war deccing just a couple corps so the rest of militia couldn't shoot back? And it's the exact same mechanic causing issues in both cases. We thought we were going to have an amazing fight on our hands against WOLFY, but no, you were just interested in ganking a couple people in the fleet while the rest couldn't do anything. In both cases, you and PERVS both took actions that would 'even the playing field' against a larger group of enemies by making it so only a small selection of said enemies could freely attack you. You did the exact same thing, and any attempt to claim the moral high ground for you while denying it to PERVS is pretty laughable.
GavinGoodrich	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:15:00 - [202] Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 22/10/2009 15:15:18 Originally by: Bad Messenger Frogs hit our pos and we were about to lose it. We took away thier ability to shoot it and will rep it with mechanics that don't even pertain to FW, but we'll pretend it's still part of FW for epeen purposes. I don't understand, how is this bad? Edited for accuracy
Greg6	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:26:00 - [203] Uh. I am so sick of both sides playing the stupid, "We're better than you because we fight when we know we will lose," card. Neither side, as a group, fights when it thinks it will lose as a general way of going about things. I've flown with both Wolfie and SoFT and, as a habit, neither of them will engage when they are sure they will lose. Nor will my own corp, Q-cats. There are individual examples of doing so, but they tend to be rare and the exception that proves the rule. OTOH, I've been in Wolfie fleets that outnumbered and outshipped the known BIDY targets and ran from those BIDY because, "everyone knows BIDY drops caps." I've seen SofT and MDP fleets run from the war target spike in local before anyone even gets a count of how many WTs have jumped in, and, as a result, I've seen us run from fleets we outnumbered. And, from the outside, I've seen the caldari seem to do the exact same thing. Eve is a never ending battle to be the guy who brings a gun to a knife fight. Everyone is equally guilty of trying to outnumber and out ship their opponent, other than a very few individual pilots (Chatgris comes to mind) who really do engage when it doesn't look good for them. But they are the exceptions, not the rule, and there aren't enough of them in any corp I've ever flown with, or against, to say that their behavior is the entire corp's behavior. We're all equally gamers, folk, and none of us are any "better," that the next guy when it comes to this topic, IMHO.
GavinGoodrich	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:55:00 - [204] Originally by: Greg6 Eve is a never ending battle to be the guy who brings a gun to a knife fight.. Bout sums it up, don't it? :D In the majority of cases, anyway.
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:29:00 - [205] Originally by: GavinGoodrich Originally by: Greg6 Eve is a never ending battle to be the guy who brings a gun to a knife fight.. Bout sums it up, don't it? :D In the majority of cases, anyway. Isn't that part of war ? Guilty ? of course not we want to win..same for the opponent.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:29:00 - [206] 'We put up a pos but we don't have any friends or enough alts to defend it so we had to take it down' Is that it?
Syekuda Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.10.22 18:50:00 - [207] Originally by: Greg6 Uh. I am so sick of both sides playing the stupid, "We're better than you because we fight when we know we will lose," card. Neither side, as a group, fights when it thinks it will lose as a general way of going about things. I've flown with both Wolfie and SoFT and, as a habit, neither of them will engage when they are sure they will lose. Nor will my own corp, Q-cats. There are individual examples of doing so, but they tend to be rare and the exception that proves the rule. OTOH, I've been in Wolfie fleets that outnumbered and outshipped the known BIDY targets and ran from those BIDY because, "everyone knows BIDY drops caps." I've seen SofT and MDP fleets run from the war target spike in local before anyone even gets a count of how many WTs have jumped in, and, as a result, I've seen us run from fleets we outnumbered. And, from the outside, I've seen the caldari seem to do the exact same thing. Eve is a never ending battle to be the guy who brings a gun to a knife fight. Everyone is equally guilty of trying to outnumber and out ship their opponent, other than a very few individual pilots (Chatgris comes to mind) who really do engage when it doesn't look good for them. But they are the exceptions, not the rule, and there aren't enough of them in any corp I've ever flown with, or against, to say that their behavior is the entire corp's behavior. We're all equally gamers, folk, and none of us are any "better," that the next guy when it comes to this topic, IMHO. I have a wet dream. All Gal and Caldari come together and fight against BYDI. Yes this is the most epic wet dream of all. Drowing in my own...
GavinGoodrich	Posted - 2009.10.22 19:05:00 - [208] hey...it could happen oh wait, it did already a coupla times
Havegooda Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.22 19:16:00 - [209] Originally by: GavinGoodrich hey...it could happen oh wait, it did already a coupla times Epic. That it was. <3 Gavin
Bad Messenger Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2009.10.22 21:39:00 - [210] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 22/10/2009 13:58:57 Originally by: Nidhiesk uhh, that his total bull**** . how is it not an exploit the first time but is the seond time ??? GM Said it might be because they left the alliance/fw for other reasons and that they can't actually prove what their intentions at first was, unless they do it multiple times Or the GMs are just lazy, these exploits have been in the game and used for quite a while now, although a lot more often used in alliances rather than fw, the only way you can counter it with alliances is to leave your own alliance with your corp an hour or so before the 24 hour cool down ends, when you leave the alliance the cool down will start again giving you enough time to kill the pos But for fw, I have no idea what you could do You can war dec corporations in fw normally. So you can ensure that if pos owner corporation leave milita you have wardec ready and running after next downtime when corporations enter and exit fw. Gallente just failed that part. If there is non sheduled server restart leaving militia may happen faster, but that did not happen in this case.



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