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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.10.27 08:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Kuolematon
You guys still arguing over about PERVS sucking or not? We put POS on Villore and it's still there and we didn't give Gallente free kill. I think we are the true winners. eHonor does zhit on game like EVE where kills and efficiency is BEST measurement for corps success.
Well thank you, as top killing non NPC corp of all time in FW I appreciate the compliment. 
Nah, I kid, I love pervs and what they do for the caldari, if it weren't for Pervs the Caldari would be jack all. But you know it was a mistake to withdraw the POS. You asked for the gallente to put up, they did and you folded. Fair dues, you didn't want to lose the POS. But asking them to put up again is like asking a prostitute if you can pay later and you run at the end, only to ask again. THE PIMP SAYS NO!
And remember moral is where wars are won and lost. And I know pervs are always on a high, but that had (in fact I know) dented it slightly, from very very high to very high. These are the mistakes leaders make that lose wars, not losing ISK when we all know FW is PRESENTLY a cash cow.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.10.27 10:23:00 -
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All choices we had ended bad for Gallente.
Original plan included pos destruction, but how, it stays on mystery 
I think you would cry even more about it 
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: GavinGoodrich
Pervs still trying to justify how a pos is up when 90% of the gallente arent' allowed to shoot at it now without getting concorded.
And regarding that whole unified front thing...there is absolutely no reason for galls to think that because PERVS pulled the POS totally out of FW (as in, galls no longer can even shoot it, it is no longer a valid target) means they failed.
over SIXTY battleships on thier side, to defend thier home turf, leading to the POS getting reinforced and PERVS pulling said corp out of FW is anything but fail, gallente. You won this engagement. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
Could you please stop crying already? I understand that some tactical moves are beyond what you can comprehend but this is just pathetic. You chickened out of the battle you would have most likely won. Don't be so butthurt.
Oh and, good luck with scamming the caldari militia with the "militia capitals" project.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:20:00 -
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posting in an epic thread
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:08:00 -
[245]
Originally by: X Gallentius
We'll have to disagree on the first part. It's been tried before and dedicated 23/7 alts burn down plexes faster than large group of mains can plex them up.
It hasn't been tried in the six months I've been in FW/playing eve. In that time we've had various small groups of plexers (the large minority of Gal Mil members who both want to take a system back and don't care about the ridicule they face from the rest of the Gals for doing so) out plexing. Never seen the Gal Mil, as a whole, decide to try to take systems back.
Were the attitude in Gal Mil to change we'd be able to take some systems back, I'm quite sure. But right now we're convinced that we can't, that plexing is PVE, and folk who disagree with the majority opinion are, "traitors, asses, irrational, " or such, just to pick from the list of names I've been called by other Gal Mil members recently.
"We have met the enemy and the enemy is us."
As for the second part, credible is as credible does. While a 400M war dec may seem like a lot Q-cats is a 53 person corp, last time I checked. That would come out to less than 9M each, per week of war. I personally would be willing to chip that in, and more, if folk actually wanted to blow the POS up. But, at this point, it seems very clear that we don't want that goal, don't believe we can attain it, and are content with our self proclaimed "victory," attained by driving it from FW. Given those beliefs (which I maintain are mistaken but there it is) again you are right. We can not attain any of those goals while we believe it is impossible to do so.
Therefore any plan to blow up the POS first step's would have to involve not the tactics of the game but the attitude of the players and, as I've said, I gave up trying to change minds long ago. :)
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
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Well thank you, as top killing non NPC corp of all time in FW I appreciate the compliment.
Hmm. The Gall Mill board reports the following
Wrath of Fenirs [WOLFY] 13,670 kills. 3,101 losses. 81.91% efficiency.
Space Perverts and and Forum Warriors United[PERVS] 15,506 kills. 3058 losses. 88.98% efficiency.
These numbers from http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=20940 and http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=8258.
So, based on the numbers I'm not seeing that Wolfie is the top killing FW corp of all time. Looks like the PERVS have about 1,900 kills on you and 7 points of efficiency.
I know, folk hate me for pointing out the data and thinking critically about their posts. Go to, I've learned to see it as an affirmation...;)
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 27/10/2009 15:43:41
THE OP
Originally by: olzi
At this time I'm glad to announce the first organized campaign by the Caldari Militia to permanently occupy Gallente hisec.
Starting with Villore, with the help of our friend corporation BMO, PERVS has set up a large POS at Villore 6-11 as a staging ground. This POS belongs to Caldari Militia and will engage any Gallente / Minmatar targets.
Forcefield access is not yet allowed for public Caldari Militia, although stay tuned for that. From now on, expect sustained Caldari Militia presence in Villore.
Hows that working out?
to greg... You got to add Dearg Doom in there as well, and of course we been out for 2 months, and we are the top non NPC final blowers (according to the ISD killboard, before it got borked, by 3000 final blows). Oh yeah and we only have 40-45 members. But its ok dude, I don't know who you are either.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:42:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: X Gallentius
We'll have to disagree on the first part. It's been tried before and dedicated 23/7 alts burn down plexes faster than large group of mains can plex them up.
It hasn't been tried in the six months I've been in FW/playing eve.
Well then it never happened, right? 
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As for the second part, credible is as credible does....
No credible plan has been presented to keep neutral-alt POSes out of high sec. Where's the plan to blow up the second, third, fourth POS? And what happens when they leave alliance, take it down, and put up another one with another alt corp in another alt alliance? Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Forever.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
.... Well then it never happened, right?
Lacking any evidence to the contrary it's a reasonable assumption. Got any such evidence? When has the Gal Mil, as a whole, put out a consistent plexing effort? I've heard stories of FOOM doing so, and having success, but never of the bulk of Gal Mil doing so.
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Originally by: X Gallentius
. No credible plan has been presented to keep neutral-alt POSes out of high sec.
Switching the goal posts? I'm talking about blowing this POS up, not implementing a systems where by we could freeze out all neutral-alt POS. But again, I'm agreeing with you XG. It isn't possible to create a plan to do either because we don't believe it's possible. Simple as that.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: X Gallentius on 27/10/2009 16:05:15
1. Mitchfleet, Wolfy, etc... Ran massive numbers of plexes, got no fights, got bored to tears. Quit running them.
2. You'll never blow it up. They'll take it out of alliance, then tear it down. Then they'll put up another one the next day and do the exact same thing - then what? You're in the same position. Nuetral alt-corp POS used as base by PERVS. And it cost us 4 billion isk for no change. POS out of FW IS the endgame here. Throw your isk away if you want. Empire war dec mechanics favor the weasels of EvE.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
1. Mitchfleet, Wolfy, etc... Ran massive numbers of plexes, got no fights, got bored to tears. Quit running them.
And this happened while the Caldari owned all the systems and those plexing efforts resulted in no systems flipping? Don't think so. In fact, you prove my point. While those groups were plexing the Caldair couldn't take all of the systems. If those groups were plexing now, and if they were matched by the bulk of Gal Mil, we'd be able to take systems back.
Originally by: X Gallentius
2. You'll never blow it up. T....
And again, you prove my point. We don't believe it's possible so it isn't. Looks like we agree more than disagree, XG. :)
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:05:00 -
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why is this thread about plexing? There is a thread about that already.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:34:00 -
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This situation reminds me very much of two things
1) The ability of a corp to war dec just ONE corp in a militia. They can freely hunt and kill those pilots in the middle of a militia fleet, while the rest of the militia can't fight back unless they coordinate a lot of wardecs. It's an inelegant mechanic with no obvious solution. It's the same mechanic at work with the PERVs pos. You can drop FW and make it very hard for your FW opponents to coordinate against you.
2) The ability to have a neutral remote repper keep you alive long enough to dock. This is also a 'lame' mechanic but fully within the game rules. There's really nothing the other side can do about the neutral repper before hand, and he doesn't get aggression, so he can just dock if he takes fire. Again, we see untouchable neutrals being used to shield/protect people actually at war. Just think of the PERVS pos as a BS trying to dock before the timer ran out.
You can argue whether or not these tactics are fair or good for the game or not but the fact is they happen all over the place.
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Jones Bones
Beyond Divinity Inc
Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:56:00 -
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WOLFY > PERVS
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: X Gallentius on 27/10/2009 17:58:53
1. The example is close enough to be used as evidence. How does "not all systems taken" matter here? The systems are taken, and they won't be re-taken with a full plexing effort by main accounts. It was tried by the majority of active Gallente FW players. No systems were flipped back. Players got bored. Players quit doing it.
2. I just told you exactly what they're going to do. What mechanic do you propose to use to make sure you blow it up? No amount of "thinking it's possible" is going to change it.
I honestly believe you don't understand the cheesy game mechanics here. This was my original point and has been proven quite rigorously over the past few posts. :)
I'm done. You can have the last word.
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Antoine Lefevre
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones
WOLFY > PERVS
What's ur battleclinic rank?
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:50:00 -
[257]
Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: X Gallentius
We'll have to disagree on the first part. It's been tried before and dedicated 23/7 alts burn down plexes faster than large group of mains can plex them up.
It hasn't been tried in the six months I've been in FW/playing eve.
Well then it never happened, right?
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As for the second part, credible is as credible does....
No credible plan has been presented to keep neutral-alt POSes out of high sec. Where's the plan to blow up the second, third, fourth POS? And what happens when they leave alliance, take it down, and put up another one with another alt corp in another alt alliance? Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Forever.
1. Microfunc took plexes in hykanima area too efficiently and they finally got pvp. You can not took systems in one day and you cant get lot of pvp in one day, you have to do plexing about week and make systems look so bad that caldari brings more than plexing alts.
There is people who get always pvp in plexes like Val Erian, Julius Foederatus etc... and why? Because they are worst enemies of caldari state. There is many other players who left militia already because they did not get support from general militia on their conquer efforts.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Messenger
1. Microfunc took plexes in hykanima area too efficiently and they finally got pvp. You can not took systems in one day and you cant get lot of pvp in one day, you have to do plexing about week and make systems look so bad that caldari brings more than plexing alts.
They were great fights (and we lost much more than we won), but most of our guys got bored to tears plexing. It was too much work to get pvp that we could get elsewhere more easily. Kessiaan wrote a post about this. Once our guy who had the summer off decided he didn't want to do plexes anymore it was over. Couldn't keep up with Damar, Joanna, and the rest of the plexing alts buzzing around Urpikan 23/7.
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There is people who get always pvp in plexes like Val Erian, Julius Foederatus etc... and why? Because they are worst enemies of caldari state. There is many other players who left militia already because they did not get support from general militia on their conquer efforts.
You should add Greg6 to your list of known enemies. The dude is ready and willing to plex all over the map and he's more interested in system control than fights.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Bad Messenger
1. Microfunc took plexes in hykanima area too efficiently and they finally got pvp. You can not took systems in one day and you cant get lot of pvp in one day, you have to do plexing about week and make systems look so bad that caldari brings more than plexing alts.
They were great fights (and we lost much more than we won), but most of our guys got bored to tears plexing. It was too much work to get pvp that we could get elsewhere more easily. Kessiaan wrote a post about this. Once our guy who had the summer off decided he didn't want to do plexes anymore it was over. Couldn't keep up with Damar, Joanna, and the rest of the plexing alts buzzing around Urpikan 23/7.
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There is people who get always pvp in plexes like Val Erian, Julius Foederatus etc... and why? Because they are worst enemies of caldari state. There is many other players who left militia already because they did not get support from general militia on their conquer efforts.
You should add Greg6 to your list of known enemies. The dude is ready and willing to plex all over the map and he's more interested in system control than fights.
done
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.27 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: GavinGoodrich on 27/10/2009 22:20:02
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
...and we are the top... blowers...
Misconstruing quotes ftw.
Lol sorry synns, I couldn't resist.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
....... You should add Greg6 to your list of known enemies. The dude is ready and willing to plex all over the map and he's more interested in system control than fights.
I thought you were done, XG? Saying so and then lobbing this out was kind of lame.
And, yeah, I'm losing all kinds of fights by plexing, you got it in one. That's why my kill board is so lame and without any fights. Maybe if I weren't such a PVE nube I'd have more than the 1,116 kills I've gotten over the past six or so months and be higher placed than the top killer in Q-cats and #8 all time (currently) in Gal Mil faction war.
Gee, imagine how many kills I could have if I were interested in fighting?
Here's the thing. I can make my point without having to get mad at anyone, calling anyone names, accusing the other side of being ignorant, playing silly "last word games," or otherwise adding drama to the mix. You, and many other Gals, have shown that you can not do the same. If your position inspires such childish rhetoric, then it can't be very strong to start with can it?
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 28/10/2009 15:48:23
Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: X Gallentius
....... You should add Greg6 to your list of known enemies. The dude is ready and willing to plex all over the map and he's more interested in system control than fights.
I thought you were done, XG? Saying so and then lobbing this out was kind of lame.
And, yeah, I'm losing all kinds of fights by plexing, you got it in one. That's why my kill board is so lame and without any fights. Maybe if I weren't such a PVE nube I'd have more than the 1,116 kills I've gotten over the past six or so months and be higher placed than the top killer in Q-cats and #8 all time (currently) in Gal Mil faction war.
Gee, imagine how many kills I could have if I were interested in fighting?
Here's the thing. I can make my point without having to get mad at anyone, calling anyone names, accusing the other side of being ignorant, playing silly "last word games," or otherwise adding drama to the mix. You, and many other Gals, have shown that you can not do the same. If your position inspires such childish rhetoric, then it can't be very strong to start with can it?
u mad? not sure what about, but you sure sound ****ed. Take a break, calm down. Its eve, you do what you want to do, don't let others tell you other wise. However I would like just to point out this thread is about Pervs putting up a POS, not plexes, missions or personal hate campaigns.
fake edie cause of that silly 5 minute timer thing..
XG and you are in the same corp.. THAT MUST BE FUN! all those nasty things going back and forth. but anyways.. let this thread die if it ain't about POS's in high sec.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: X Gallentius
....... You should add Greg6 to your list of known enemies. The dude is ready and willing to plex all over the map and he's more interested in system control than fights.
I thought you were done, XG? Saying so and then lobbing this out was kind of lame.
Dude I'm just trying to hook you up with some additional plexing pvp. Historical strategy of PERVS is to not engage if they think you're only interested in PvP (see Mitchfleet as just one example). They'll just send their plexing alts to burn down the system while you're offline instead.  But yeah, you're definitely interested in both. My apologies.
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Flashh Gorden
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:30:00 -
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Its a complete myth that plexing does not bring pvp
You (frogs) convinced yourself of that and all the other lame excuses to make yourselves feel better.
The bitter truth of the matter is that after foom departed you couldnt match the caldari in plexes.
The fewer systems you had left the easier it was to find us.
YOU knew full well where we were and what we were doing.
You knew exactly where to find the pvp but you still lost all your systems.
Some tried to stop us and fought hard but they were no match in the end.
PvP is not camping the Nourv gate in Tama but thats where the feds spent most of there time during the war.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: X Gallentius on 28/10/2009 17:44:12
Originally by: Flashh Gorden
The bitter truth of the matter is that after foom departed you couldnt match the caldari in plexes.
The bitter truth is that the majority of Gallente couldn't care less about plexing - ever. FOOM was the only large corporation who took it seriously - FOR ONE MONTH - and for whatever reason (boredom, ADHD, embarrassment that VV was going Caldari, who knows) they left FW.
Those of us who did care screamed and yelled in the Gallente forums for help. When it finally came (Mitchfleet, Wolfy), you guys disengaged because they liked PvP more than system occupancy. They got bored orbitting buttons without the pvp and quit. Congrats, you won.
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Greg6
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Posted - 2009.10.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
...The bitter truth is that the majority of Gallente couldn't care less about plexing - ever.
Wait a minute, that's been my point all along that I thought you were disagreeing with?
Originally by: X Gallentius
F.... Congrats, you won.
Careful with that, XG, next thing you know you'll be being told to choose between your corp and expressing your opinion as well. :)
On that note, and to completely ignore those requests to keep the thread on topic ;), I'm looking for a new corp. Preferably one that is in FW, that has a management structure secure enough in its own positions to avoid attempts at censoring its members, that wants to fight the Caldari/Amarr in more than just a random roam (those are fine too but they aren't the only way to fight), that has a mature, fun loving, membership who understands that real life comes first and we're all trying to have fun. Now that I've made all these friends here, any suggestions? ;)
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Greg6
Originally by: X Gallentius
...The bitter truth is that the majority of Gallente couldn't care less about plexing - ever.
Wait a minute, that's been my point all along that I thought you were disagreeing with?
When they did decide to care, they got bored. afk plexing alts don't get bored. Real life players do. And that was my point.
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GavinGoodrich
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:50:00 -
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9 pages. And we're getting off-topic pretty often now.
Pretty safe to say this thread is dead.
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Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.29 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
Its a complete myth that plexing does not bring pvp
You (frogs) convinced yourself of that and all the other lame excuses to make yourselves feel better.
The bitter truth of the matter is that after foom departed you couldnt match the caldari in plexes.
The fewer systems you had left the easier it was to find us.
YOU knew full well where we were and what we were doing.
You knew exactly where to find the pvp but you still lost all your systems.
Some tried to stop us and fought hard but they were no match in the end.
PvP is not camping the Nourv gate in Tama but thats where the feds spent most of there time during the war.
huh a member of a wannabee pirate corp/alliance member posting claiming to be involved in faction warfare ?
u mad ? dropped on head , or posted with wrong acc ? , or all 3 ?
if you had claimed, like in the past, that nourv gatecamps were t2 battle ships................................................
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2009.10.29 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Antoine Lefevre
Originally by: Jones Bones
WOLFY > PERVS
What's ur battleclinic rank?
Euphoria Released is 8th. What is yours?
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