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Reiisha
Evolution
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:49:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Allen Ramses
I was afraid of this. I am honestly dumbfounded at the pure amounts of stupidity on CCP's part. I know you guys over react on everything, but a fast, small, and agile tier 1 battleship with 5 torp launchers? Are you ****ing kidding me??
If this change goes through without rebalancing torps and torp ships, it will be absolute proof that CCP doesn't give two ****s about the balance of the game. It disgusts me to wonder wtf they are thinking. Are they sadists or ******ed monkeys? Either way, I am impressed by their awesome ability to destroy a great game from the inside out.
/me gives CCP the 1 finger salute.
Because, like, no one ever fits smartbombs and stuff.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:56:00 -
[32]
if its fast then smartbombs might be a viable alternative
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:20:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Allen Ramses
I am perfectly aware of the changes to projectiles, and their overall performance isn't all that different, not to mention it doesn't excuse the 57% higher DPS from torps.
57% more dps on stuff big enough (and close enough, 800AC with barrage actually have a lot more reach than torps) and at a crippling CPU cost (between the launchers and the damage mods taking more CPU)... Considering RR also takes lots of CPU it will be hell to fit good RR with good damage, sacrifices on resist will likely have to be made. Sound balanced to me.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:54:00 -
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Torps rarely do full damage.
A raven with 2x BCU shooting another Raven does its full DPS...It will do less against other BS, though, because they have smaller sig radii. That same Raven loses almost 3/4 of its launcher DPS when shooting at a Hurricane moving at its full base speed.
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:34:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Xing Fey on 27/10/2009 17:35:16
The only change torps realy need is a reduction on the launcher PG use so the raven can realistically use it's last two hislots.
edit: or maybe just more grid on the raven, the 'phoon seems to have plenty as is.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.10.27 22:53:00 -
[36]
My god, will the Domi loose it's title as best overall ship for everything?
I doubt it, but it's good the second best isn't so far away now.
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RedSplat
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 23:00:00 -
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Anyone that thinks 5 ROF bonus'd torps is OP needs a reality check
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.10.27 23:12:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 27/10/2009 23:11:50
I'm so excited! ♥ Phoon!
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Arele
Minmatar
The Hull Miners Union
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:28:00 -
[39]
Phoon has CPU problems with 4 Siege II launchers, let alone 5. To all the whiners, fud. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.28 20:52:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Arele
Phoon has CPU problems with 4 Siege II launchers, let alone 5. To all the whiners, fud.
Good thing there are named varieties that have less CPU cost then 
The idea of near Raven damage output combined with armour tank and free mid slots just scares the crap out of me. Especially when you take into consideration that it is in a tier 1 hull.
Might be skill intensive, but most of the big hulls are when you get right down to it .. torps are bloody nasty against BC/BS, combine with free mids for webs/tp and neuts .....
Either way, we'll see if it is over the top with the fifth slot. Doubt SiSi will give enough "real world" data to make a proper assessment so worst case scenario is 6-12 months of Phoon pwnage on TQ
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
Thukk U
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:03:00 -
[41]
I'm confused:
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 18/09/2009 14:30:19
Update on new changes (not going to make it for this evening test unfortunately)
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Typhoon Fleet Issue:
òSlot layout: weapon layout back to 4 turrets and 4 launchers, receives an additional low-slot instead (for a total of eight)
So no 5/5 turret/missle anymore :-( ?
Not even on the regular one?
Does the regular gets an additional low as well or only the fleet version?
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Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet.
- referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:11:00 -
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its all very confusing and the lack of ccp response until probably 2-3 dyas before to limit player rage is the approach we get take it or leave it on this one
Stick with the nightmare or the bhaalgorn u know what youre getting their shield tanking laser dps or a nos-neuting, webbing laser dps choas machine
Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Pattern Clarc
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:15:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 19/11/2009 12:15:54
Originally by: Garr Anders
I'm confused:
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Edited by: CCP Ytterbium on 18/09/2009 14:30:19
Originally by: CCP Ytterbium
Further changes. by: CCP Ytterbium on 25/09/2009 15:00:00
Typhoon:
òSlot layout: received an additional launcher slot and turret slot (for a total of 5/5 turrets/launchers, 8/4/7)
Tempest:
òHitpoints: armor and shield values swapped (now has 6954 armor and 6211 shields)
Typhoon Fleet Issue:
òSlot layout: received an additional launcher slot and turret slot (for a total of 5/5 turrets/launchers, 8/4/8)
Tempest Fleet Issue:
òSlot layout: 7th turret slot removed for a 7th low-slot (for a total of 6/4 turrets/launchers, 8/5/7)
òHitpoints: armor and shield values swapped (now has 10431 armor and 9316 shields)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1172933&page=25#723
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Garr Anders
Minmatar
Thukk U
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Posted - 2009.11.19 12:35:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
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Yepp, my sentiments exactly..
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Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet.
- referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:10:00 -
[45]
dudes.. read things in order. First the fleet phoon woudl have 5/5 no extra slot. We complained. THey changed to 4/4 with extra slot.. we complained.. they changed to 5/5 for BOTH types of typhoon and 8 low slots on the fleet issue one. THey simply did not removed the old posts.. simple.
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Rogue Bomber
Minmatar
Calimae Logistics Foundation
Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 15:55:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Rogue Bomber on 19/11/2009 15:58:52
Edited by: Rogue Bomber on 19/11/2009 15:57:32
Edited by: Rogue Bomber on 19/11/2009 15:56:29
Originally by: Arele
Phoon has CPU problems with 4 Siege II launchers, let alone 5. To all the whiners, fud.
Not really. A std current phoon you can fly in a fleet you can pack 3 1600 t2 plates 5 siege launchers plus heavy nos nuet and rr
Without adding any implants
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Target Painter II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Warp Disruptor I
Medium Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 800
Siege Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II,Mjolnir Torpedo
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I drop 1 and change to siege missile launcher II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Grid is 722/750 15173.8/15626 on current
siege is 1654.2
nuet 2000
Swapping these around after dominion would give u more powah
you maybe able to get a little play with a ab mwd it you drop a plate and replace with bcu
I welcome the addition to the new phoon cos it means i can chase golems even more
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John Blackthorn
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.19 18:21:00 -
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I saw this change on the test server the other night, I was pretty pleased with the change. Now I have most all missile skills at level 5 and mimitar b.s. 5. I took this ship out on a test run and it was nice to have a little dps on the ship always felt it was lacking a little bit.
Shooting the t2 torps using normal ammo I was only hitting to 18km and I had to use two painters to cause a b.s. to take full damage with the torps. And hitting anything below a b.s. I was doing pitfull damage. My t1 large drones still would kill a b.s. faster than my torps however. I just don't get why people think torps are over-powered.
I used 5 autocannons and that seemed to kill npc b.s. faster at a grater range as well.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:37:00 -
[48]
Originally by: John Blackthorn
I saw this change on the test server the other night, I was pretty pleased with the change. Now I have most all missile skills at level 5 and mimitar b.s. 5. I took this ship out on a test run and it was nice to have a little dps on the ship always felt it was lacking a little bit.
Shooting the t2 torps using normal ammo I was only hitting to 18km and I had to use two painters to cause a b.s. to take full damage with the torps. And hitting anything below a b.s. I was doing pitfull damage. My t1 large drones still would kill a b.s. faster than my torps however. I just don't get why people think torps are over-powered.
I used 5 autocannons and that seemed to kill npc b.s. faster at a grater range as well.
i am not sure TPs work on NPCs at all. maybe try player ships.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:49:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Allen Ramses
I was afraid of this. I am honestly dumbfounded at the pure amounts of stupidity on CCP's part. I know you guys over react on everything, but a fast, small, and agile tier 1 battleship with 5 torp launchers? Are you ****ing kidding me??
If this change goes through without rebalancing torps and torp ships, it will be absolute proof that CCP doesn't give two ****s about the balance of the game. It disgusts me to wonder wtf they are thinking. Are they sadists or ******ed monkeys? Either way, I am impressed by their awesome ability to destroy a great game from the inside out.
/me gives CCP the 1 finger salute.
Are you frakking kidding me ? Look at minnie BS, we have the worst in the game by miles (pest) an active shield tanker that is virtually obsolete in the world of RR gangs and you begrudge us getting a partial buff to the only currently proficient (and yet still harder than any other to train for) BS we have.
right back at you with that finger
I has 17 XBOX can I get sov ??
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:54:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Mahke
We are entering the height of amarr power, and minmatar is next in the buff cycle apparently.
Just sit back and watch, or alternatively, start crosstraining.
lol... go read the projectile balancing thread and see if that prediction still feels right. Hard to say until it hits TQ, but it looks like Amarr will still be OP.
If you want to crosstrain, still go amarr really
I has 17 XBOX can I get sov ??
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