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Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:17:00 - [1] when is eve having DX11?
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:32:00 - [2] DX9 release year: 2002 EVE DX9 client release: 2007 DX11 release year: 2009 EVE DX11 client release year: 2014? Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Washell Olivaw DX9 release year: 2002 EVE DX9 client release: 2007 DX11 release year: 2009 EVE DX11 client release year: 2014? 2 x 3.5 = 7 9 x 3.5 = 2032?
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:39:00 - [4] Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os.
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Washell Olivaw DX9 release year: 2002 EVE DX9 client release: 2007 DX11 release year: 2009 EVE DX11 client release year: 2014? 2 x 3.5 = 7 9 x 3.5 = 2032? 2 x (2^12 - 4,089) = 7 9 x (9^12 - 4,089) = 282,429,532,392 As you can see from this simple mathematical example CCP will release DX11 support for Eve sometime during the 282nd millionth or so millennia. I hope this answers some of your questions. -
Angry Poster	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. Made me lol. But you are right of course. DX10 was only invented so at least a few people would use vista.
Nico Terces	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Warrio Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Washell Olivaw DX9 release year: 2002 EVE DX9 client release: 2007 DX11 release year: 2009 EVE DX11 client release year: 2014? 2 x 3.5 = 7 9 x 3.5 = 2032? 2 x (2^12 - 4,089) = 7 9 x (9^12 - 4,089) = 282,429,532,392 As you can see from this simple mathematical example CCP will release DX11 support for Eve sometime during the 282nd millionth or so millennia. I hope this answers some of your questions. Will this be during the summer or the winter expansion of the year 282,429,534,392AD? I will have to buy a new system before that time... :-/
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. Good luck with that when driver support for XP is canned in 2 or 3 years. It isn't MS that's going to the problem, it's the hardware companies that'll make you switch. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Neamus	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks?
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Neamus Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? Why change anything for the change itself? many dont like it. And it is I who pays their salaries by bying their OSes. Not to mention theres no real alternative for us who dont like it. heck, they could at least make the old one optional, but nooo. So its a step back for my part. And many others I know. its also stupid comparing an increase in number of megabytes with a software change. While the first one icnreases storage nothing else, the OS change changes the way you work. Thats a difference! For me, its like changing from working with a computer with a harddrive to working with a computer with CD storage and booting only. Stupid Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Aaldari	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. havent they stopped supporting xp, or will soon? so I guess not having security updates for an unsecure o/s is no big deal then?
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:40:00 - [13] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 22/10/2009 16:40:58 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! While the first one icnreases storage nothing else, the OS change changes the way you work. Thats a difference! For me, its like changing from working with a computer with a harddrive to working with a computer with CD storage and booting only. Stupid Stop trying to use it as if it's an XP start menu and toolbar. Once you get into the new mindset you'll find it's a better and faster way of working. Personally, having gotten used to it, I dread each time I have to use an XP machine now. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Neamus In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? What's THAT?
Neoenderli	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Neamus In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? What's THAT? I use XP at work, Vista on my wife's computer and 7 on my own desktop. Out of all three, 7 is my favorite. Using your logic, I assume you still use the three pound brick they used to call a "cell-phone" from the late 90's.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Neamus Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? Change in itself is meaningless, progress is good but progress does NOT mean having purty colours and flashing lights/arrows pointing at stuff "look how COOOOOL this is!!!!". I like my operating system to STFU, stay in the background and do as it's told without using tons of cpu or memory and without doing it's utter best to 'help' me by being in my face the whole time. I use the old, simple start menu from ways back because it gives me what I need without acting like a clown about it. More isn't automatically better. ----------- ADM-I
Burnharder	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:46:00 - [17] I don't think DX 11 will bring much to the table that Eve can take advantage of, to be honest. Sure the Tesselators may be useful, depending on how they do LOD at present but if you want to remain backwardly compatible with XP (which you do!), you're going to have to ship the LOD versions in any case, so what do you gain?
Dirk Culliford H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Neamus In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? What's THAT? I was given a floppy disk in school to store all my work on. They got locked away in a practically bombproof box at the end of the day. Good times. Now I submit uni reports that would take 10 of those disks Proof that uni work is now too hard tbh
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.10.22 17:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Neamus We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? pff noob, it started with 720kb capacity first :) i was there :-/
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.22 19:04:00 - [20] I liked all the "hey, look, i paid again for the same stuff! that makes me cool and progressive!" comments. Whats more, they even take pride as they parrot the latest marketing gimmicks :)
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.22 19:24:00 - [21] Oh for gods sake, learn to turn off the stuff you don't like. More options actually is better, it allows differnt people to use the same OS and tailor it to their individual taste. Being too lazy to learn how to tailor it to your needs is your problem, not the OS's. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.22 19:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Some Advisor pff noob, it started with 720kb capacity first :) i was there :-/ If you were there, you know it didn't start with that. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
shady trader	Posted - 2009.10.22 20:04:00 - [23] I think I still have some 10 inch floppy somewhere. Those were the days when a floppy disk was floppy and had a paper sleeve to store it in. from back in the days built in green screens were the height of tech. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congratulated by carebears for the actions.
Jarna Amarr Eternal Frontier	Posted - 2009.10.22 20:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Angry Poster Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. Made me lol. But you are right of course. DX10 was only invented so at least a few people would use vista. Actually, 10 was probably invented to help handle what they wanted to do with the Vista OS. Furthermore, Shoukei, you haven't been too much in the loop then if you think Windows 7 is crappy. ------------------------------ EVE players are just as immature as WoW players.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.22 20:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Why change anything for the change itself? many dont like it. And it is I who pays their salaries by bying their OSes. You may not understand this, buy buying something from them does not suddenly make you majority shareholder. In fact, it doesn't even make you above the guy who owns 1 share. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.22 20:45:00 - [26] Originally by: shady trader I think I still have some 10 inch floppy somewhere. The first floppy was 8 inch and they've only gotten smaller since. Unless you're thinking of a different 10 inch floppy, in which case you have my sympathies. Originally by:* Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Althea Nar'agh StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.22 21:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Some Advisor Originally by: Neamus We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? pff noob, it started with 720kb capacity first :) i was there :-/ Oh you are so wrong mate... War. War never changes. Training Monitor / iMonitor / iCEO iPOS iHelp
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.22 23:01:00 - [28] Considering the whining that resulted from changing the Shader Model requirements.... Well lets just say I can see a few decades from now people still going on about how awesome XP is and how they don't plan to upgrade any time soon. Never could figure out the whole XP love thing though. The logic is just baffling. Pointing out to everyone that you don't need new features and refuse to pay for them, as if anyone really needs (or cares) to know that. It actually makes me wonder sometimes if MS could make a fortune just boxing up the current XP and renaming it XP 2 or something. Can just see millions rushing out to get it, because it adds no new featues and is just like XP! Veal, murder. Baby carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.23 00:44:00 - [29] What I find really amusing are the people that said the exact same things about Window XP. Going on and on about how Windows 98 (or Windows 3.0 for that matter) was sooooo much better and XP was just a rip-off. .... wonder if it's the same people. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2009.10.23 01:01:00 - [30] unfortunately, any MMO is a team sport, and we can't go on till the overwhelming majority of us are 7(and vista, but i don't like saying that word anymore). the best we can do in the mean time, is insult and ridicule people with XP, that's right! don't let them in your corps, tell them they suck every day, set up gatecamps for only those with XP lets start now, you suck XP users! CoD MW2 no dedicated servers or mod tools the IW site petition http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mwth
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.23 01:31:00 - [31] XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.23 01:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Shoukei XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Interesting. And the source of this wild assumption? Veal, murder. Baby carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
D3F4ULT Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Khemul Zula Originally by: Shoukei XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Interesting. And the source of this wild assumption? lol Personal experience counts on the interwebz. I = everyone. I have many alts on the interwebz
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:11:00 - [34] CCP does not have the resources to support their current engine properly, even after dropping the baggage of Classic. Two years after Trinity's release, perhaps two thirds of all art content will have been "upgraded" post-Dominion to a level that was competitive with PC games released 4 years ago. The reason half-assed efforts work today is because many new games are cross-platform and thus, also DX9.0c based. And the majority of new triple-A PC exclusives seem to be MMOs. MMOs usually target low specs (for max. subscribers) then dump high res textures and models over it to make it look somewhat better on high end machines. Even that isn't a priority for those companies, because the hardcore subscribers keep settings low for extra performance advantage and multi-boxing. DX9.0c is a goddamn vampire in my opinion, and EVE/CCP could get away with a clean break that other companies can't even dare to dream of attempting. Whether they'd want to prioritize regaining that graphics lead is something I can't answer.
Eliza Farcaster Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:13:00 - [35] Edited by: Eliza Farcaster on 23/10/2009 02:13:11 Originally by: Shoukei XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. DOS users own XP users. Noobs.
Selous Wrath of Fenris	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:37:00 - [36] concurrent dos 4tw the big debate was, is a 5" floppy better then a 3.5" stiffy? or pdp with a 64 mb hard drive , with removable platters about 2 foot across
Saju Somtaaw Gallente Diiamond Heavy Industries MagiTech Corp	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:41:00 - [37] I've used DOS,95,98,XP,Vista, and 7. Out of all of them 7 is my favorite. Like someone said earlier going to a pre-vista machine is a pain because I don't have that easy search box where I can type the name of the program I want without digging through menus to find it. And don't say shortcuts 'cause I do have my common ones shortcut'd-its the rarely used ones that it's helpful for. ---- --- ---
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.23 03:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Shoukei XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys Given that a large section, me included, of win7 users work in IT and are testing it for a possible roll-out to the general workfloor I'd say that at present the average IT knowledge on win7 is lightyears ahead of XP. Even if you throw in a bunch of noobs buying into DX11 (not DX10, that was vista) and marketing ploys. And you can't pay for XP anymore. What you can do is buy Vista which comes with a license that includes the right to downgrade to XP. That's one of those marketing ploys, if they have vista in house, they may try it. Oh yeah, you know what you're paying for... Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard.	Posted - 2009.10.23 07:50:00 - [39] ITT A bunch of people that don't know anything and are very opinionated (and wrong) Windows 7 is a good OS. Depending on what you do on your PC it is worth the upgrade. Windows Vista is crap. Some people get lucky with it, but overall it is garbage. It has a habit of eating drives as well. Windows xp is a good OS, but shows it's age in modern operations. Like it or not, it will be phased out sooner rather than later. Direct X 10 is a bit better than Direct X 9 in terms of shadowing (shader model 4.0) and lighting etc. Direct X 11 is BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with Direct X 9/10/10.1 Hardware. This means that some of Direct X 11's features work with older hardware. Primarily when coupled with Windows 7, you will notice large frame rate increases with your games. Direct X 11 also introduced true hardware tesselation, multithreading, for DX 11 graphics cards. Textures will now be done using patches instead of a triangle. This reduced the load on an art department as only a single mega texture needs to be created, and then dynamically scaled based on the individual machines hardware capabilities. This also means greater detail can be rendered and require less power. Direct X 11 has the capability once supported to revolutionize the industry. Word is that Geforce will have their GTX 350 out with DX11 support by Christmas or soon after. Hope this clears some things up.
Br41n Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp	Posted - 2009.10.23 07:56:00 - [40] Lets hope never, i play EVE because its awsome gameplay, if i want fancy graphics i'll go buy FPS 239847128347198273 of this year. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.10.23 08:12:00 - [41] I would prefer EVE going for openGL instead of next iteration of DirectX. I also do not like Vista/7 bcos it treats it's users like criminals and violates their privacy (all the DRM'ish crap that comes with it). So when the time comes to pull the plug on XP I see myself having 2 options (1) Ubuntu has evolved far enough to be actually usable (2) Have to switch to mac. Unless Microsoft manages to come up with op system by that time that does not rub me wrong way and I think this propability is low unfortunately. Atm ubuntu is not really usable (as it is not really plug and play - ie needs heavy knowledge of system to get stuff working) and Mac has a bit too heavy part of it's price taken up by 'brand fee' for my tastes. We will see ofc. XP support will last at least next 3 more years probably.
thisisnotright	Posted - 2009.10.23 08:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Neamus Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? Dont forget the bottle of old spice.
Davin Forsosa	Posted - 2009.10.23 08:56:00 - [43] Originally by: Shoukei XP users on average know more about the OS's than the win7 user. Because they actually know what they are paying for, they are able to make factual judgment on the product they are buying. This is a stark contrast to fan boys and other less knowledgeable people who buy into DX10 and other marketing ploys Or 3D Vision users such as myself who are forced to upgrade because some pretty cool gaming technology isn't supported by XP.
BurnHard	Posted - 2009.10.23 08:57:00 - [44] Edited by: BurnHard on 23/10/2009 08:56:53 Originally by: Carniflex I also do not like Vista/7 bcos it treats it's users like criminals and violates their privacy (all the DRM'ish crap that comes with it). So when the time comes to pull the plug on XP I see myself having 2 options (1) Ubuntu has evolved far enough to be actually usable (2) Have to switch to mac. Unless Microsoft manages to come up with op system by that time that does not rub me wrong way and I think this propability is low unfortunately. The DRM only kicks in if you're using protected media, also I have no idea what you mean by "violating their privacy". Either you've used it and can speak thereof, or you haven't and so can't really express an opinion based on evidence. It seems to me that you're just passing on gossip, rumour and legend than actual reality. Having said that, Windows 7 is better than both Vista and XP, and as I haven't used Ubuntu or Mac OS, I can't say whether either of those is better than 7, although I can say most of the stuff you run on 7 won't work on the latter.
LordSwift Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN	Posted - 2009.10.23 09:34:00 - [45] Originally by: shady trader I think I still have some 10 inch floppy somewhere. Those were the days when a floppy disk was floppy and had a paper sleeve to store it in. from back in the days built in green screens were the height of tech. I remember that. I am 25 and i remember the one of the first games i tried to play on my dads hunk of junk. All green text and no graphics to speak ofd. Huge floppy discs. I think the game was Dambusters. Man that was hard
Vishere Rykane Minmatar Midnight Sentinels	Posted - 2009.10.23 11:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. Actually, I just recently upgraded to a new computer and went from Windows XP ==> Windows 7 after 5 years using WinXP every day, I gotta say I barely noticed the jump to windows 7. The layout and everything is almost exactly the same as windows XP. Click for gallery!
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.23 11:36:00 - [47] I see some people have been whitewashed so thoroughly that they even defend DRM. Bottom line is, right now the only reason most people need to buy "new" windows is because someone decided to force them into doing it. They are milking the cow. If there was actually some new feature which would justify the upgrade, it would make sense to do so. They know there is no such reason for 90% of the user base, so they created artificial ones to rake in some money from the suckers
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari Cult of War	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:11:00 - [48] Yamaha DX11? Does Eve have midi?
Commander Criton Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:29:00 - [49] I used Xp(64bit version) for years and i found the 64bit version of Vista to be more stable and user friendly than xp the performance hit was a drag on lower end computers yes, but windows 7 gives you the performance and reliability of Xp. So in short for the newer end computers and the users who have used 64bit operating systems for many years they will notice an improvement, i cant comment on the 32bit versions or older computers as I dont use them for long enough to make any remarks. Also the price and the fact you no longer have to buy the 64bit version of windows seperate is a nice change as you get both version in the box, I pre-ordered it from amazon and got windows 7 home premuim (full version) for ú65 cant complain.
BurnHard	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Shoukei I see some people have been whitewashed so thoroughly that they even defend DRM. You mean Brainwashed, surely? The truth about DRM is that I've got an operating system designed to use it when I try to play DRM'd media on it, only I don't own any DRM'd media, so I've never encountered the DRM system and neither will you. I've got lots of media and it all plays fine on 7. The truth about DRM is: if you don't buy any media with DRM on it, they will stop selling it and the OS DRM code will never run! Reasons to use 7: more secure, better UI, better looking, better performance (particularly various bits of the UI, I don't mean you'll get better FPS in a game), supports DX 10, is backwards compatible with XP, runs on "light" hardware. starts up quicker, shuts down quicker (than vista). There's a guy at work here who still uses his green screen, by the way.
Dharh Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Neamus Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? Why change anything for the change itself? many dont like it. And it is I who pays their salaries by bying their OSes. Not to mention theres no real alternative for us who dont like it. heck, they could at least make the old one optional, but nooo. So its a step back for my part. And many others I know. its also stupid comparing an increase in number of megabytes with a software change. While the first one icnreases storage nothing else, the OS change changes the way you work. Thats a difference! For me, its like changing from working with a computer with a harddrive to working with a computer with CD storage and booting only. Stupid Windows XP was not perfect. True Vista was worse in alot of ways, and should never have been _worse_ performance wise. But W7 fixes that. It's not really change, its updating for a price. Would it make you feel better if these changes came in the form of a download update like service packs? I know we all love how CCP gives us expansions for free (though not really free, MS would give out W7 on the sidewalks of every street if people payed monthly subs for it).
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:49:00 - [52] Computers understand 1's and 0's. They can add them, they can subract them, they can compare them, and they can move them from one place to another. That's pretty much it. If like me you have to buy XP just to get a game installed that won't run on Windows 2000, or you need DX11 because DX9 cannot do graphics anymore apparently, you are victim to marketting. You are not stupid, you are not a loser, you are not "10 yrs bhnd evryfink grandad lol wanna run it on spctrum 48k next lol", you're just paying through the nose so that somebody somewhere can get a bigger yacht or mansion. It's just 1s, 0s, marketing and a load of idiots who need to speed money every year to have a version number get higher so they can mock your lower version number. In response I find the best thing is to go to some pleasant place and enjoy a delightful coffee sitting in the afternoon sun smiling at the ladies who happen by. --- WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Shoukei If there was actually some new feature which would justify the upgrade, it would make sense to do so. They know there is no such reason for 90% of the user base, so they created artificial ones to rake in some money from the suckers Ah you've figured out the secret to marketing. Well done. Next apply those standards to stuff you buy everyday and stop feeling so superior to everyone else. The #1 reason for people to buy things is because "they want it". Nearly everything you buy is sold for artificial reasons to rake in some money from suckers. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
DigitalCommunist November Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.23 17:41:00 - [54] Originally by: Tiny Tove Computers understand 1's and 0's. They can add them, they can subract them, they can compare them, and they can move them from one place to another. That's pretty much it. I guess to you, hardware architecture means nothing since transistors are either on or off. New DirectX version levels standardize new hardware features so that developers actually use them. ATI has had a hardware tessellator on their cards for something like five years, now that DX11 spec includes it, Nvidia will have to support it as well. Hell, Xbox360 has one and nearly every game uses it, but no PC games use it despite having the computing horsepower and hardware to do it better for years. In any case, you sound bitter.
Zahidra Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.23 17:59:00 - [55] I always find XP vs Vista arguments interesting. Sure, vista was buggy and not all that great until SP1. Since then Vista > XP in most aspects (yes, even benchmark performance in many regards). Win 7 is bascially a repacked and optimized Vista so i quite frankly find it hilarious when the vista haters praise win 7. And for win 7 only being fancy UI, well that only proves the extent of the users knowledge of IT in general... /flame on
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:20:00 - [56] It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:28:00 - [57] i was there when floppy discs were still "floppy" you know, bendy and stuff
Dharh Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Shoukei It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one More like the software maker doesn't want to waste their time supporting an outdated OS such as XP. I know I don't waste my time with outdated OSes when I make my programs or outdated browsers when I make web apps. Fact is W7 is an actual upgrade from XP, whereas Vista was only halfway. People who claim W7 is just an optimized version of Vista do not understand what was really changed in Vista and W7. People just don't want to pay for new OS. Which is valid, but they shouldn't be angry when some piece of software doesn't run on their antiquated XP box. Go install Linux or something.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:41:00 - [59] Originally by: Shoukei It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one If you don't bother to read anything that has been posted then yes, that is all they've managed to come up with. But seriously. Why does it bother you so much that people are buying something that you don't feel that you need? I mean you keep throwing around the "fan boy" label, yet you just keep repeating the same contempt for anything not XP without any real arguement for why. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.23 20:43:00 - [60] Edited by: brutoid on 23/10/2009 20:44:16 wahh waaah, i lub my xp ands cant do wivout its......... Here you go. 'XP Mode consists of the Virtual PC-based virtual environment and a fully licensed copy of Windows XP with Service Pack 3 (SP3). It will be made available, for free, to users of Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate editions via a download from the Microsoft web site. (That is, it will not be included in the box with Windows 7, but is considered an out-of-band update, like Windows Live Essentials.) XPM works much like today's Virtual PC products, but with one important exception: As with the enterprise-based MED-V (Microsoft Enterprise Desktop Virtualization) product, XPM does not require you to run the virtual environment as a separate Windows desktop. Instead, as you install applications inside the virtual XP environment, they are published to the host (Windows 7) OS as well. (With shortcuts placed in the Start Menu.) That way, users can run Windows XP-based applications (like IE 6) alongside Windows 7 applications under a single desktop.'
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:01:00 - [61] Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 23/10/2009 22:08:09 Originally by: Shoukei It appears that the best arguments fan boys managed to come up with so far is... "Well, its as fast as XP and not as bad as Vista!" Then they ran off to buy a "new" version because some piece of software was intentionally prevented from working on the "old" one Proper argument: The 64bit version of Windows XP was never aimed at the home user. Between Microsoft then not pushing for drivers for consumer hardware and currently phasing out XP all together a home user using XP/64 to run his games and software typically experiences an unstable system. Vista shipped in a 32bit and 64 bit version, but Microsoft was pushing this time and companies needed to make new drivers for Vista anyway. At the same time consumers started getting some benefit from it because home computers started shipping with 3+ GB, requiring a 64bit OS to fully utilize. Windows 7 ships with both the 32bit and the 64bit version in a single package. Both Vista and Windows 7 are significantly more stable in a 64 bit environment compared to XP. So if you want 64 bit and/or 3+ GB of memory, XP isn't the first choice. Originally by: brutoid 'XP Mode consists of the Virtual PC-based virtual environment and a fully licensed copy of Windows XP with Service Pack 3 (SP3). It will be made available, for free, to users of Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, and Ultimate editions via a download from the Microsoft web site. Virtual PC has no support for 3D hardware acceleration. It'll run the old accounting program the department refuses to let go but it's incapable of running any type of demanding game. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:19:00 - [62] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Virtual PC has no support for 3D hardware acceleration. It'll run the old accounting program the department refuses to let go but it's incapable of running any type of demanding game. Why would anyone want to run 3D non-natively anyway? Use virtualbox or vmware if one wants 3d acceleration. I was just letting people know that you essentially get XP SP3 for free if you buy Windows 7. Everyones a winner!
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:11:00 - [63] All this windows XP v Vista/7 needs to stop! because Google Chrome OS is out next year and after a few releases and upgrades we just need overwhelming demand to bring back a Linux EvE that can run on it (who'd rather time spent making this rather than Dx11 support?). Then all the windows lovers can bicker amongst themselves :D heres hoping by 2012(little too hopeful but im a dreamer) its a reality ----------------- My EvE Comic
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:34:00 - [64] Originally by: Saint Lazarus because Google Chrome OS is out next year and after a few releases and upgrades we just need overwhelming demand to bring back a Linux EvE that can run on it Because "x" linux distribution is out next "y" and then windows will finally be beaten on the desktop market is something I've been hearing for over a decade. Here's what google says: Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems. Running games, fraps, video editors, etc isn't "spending most of your time on the web" Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.24 00:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 23/10/2009 23:51:23 Originally by: Saint Lazarus because Google Chrome OS is out next year and after a few releases and upgrades we just need overwhelming demand to bring back a Linux EvE that can run on it "x" linux distribution is out next "y" and then windows will finally be beaten on the desktop market is something I've been hearing for over a decade. Here's what google says: Google Chrome OS is being created for people who spend most of their time on the web, and is being designed to power computers ranging from small netbooks to full-size desktop systems. Running games, fraps, video editors, etc isn't "spending most of your time on the web" Pfft you cant compare no name companies idle threats compared to Googles, you know Google, the guys doing a pretty good job of taking over the interwebs/world. And a Netbook OS is just the start obviously, they have this recurring habit of building on their ideas , I really dont see them stopping at just a simple Netbook based OS (considering they already created Android a handheld device OS thingymabob), and honestly do you? ----------------- My EvE Comic
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 01:40:00 - [66] Originally by: Saint Lazarus and honestly do you? 20 years of chicken and egg. You can't sell/give away your OS unless there is a large application library for it. You won't get a large application library until your OS has a significant market share. Google Chrome OS is aimed at cloud computing and within that, at present, niche it is likely to do very well. If services like Onlive take off and perform at a satisfactory level and pricepoint, than the niche for cloudcomputing may very well become the main market. But expecting Linux, even when distributed by Google, to replace windows on your average workcomputer and home PC is an ignorant notion at best. If vista is barely able to entice XP users, why on earth would they go to Chrome OS which would pretty much make every piece of software they own obsolete, unless they start messing with stuff like WINE. P.S.: I know the application library for linux isn't exactly small from a home user point of view. But when dealing with specific apps within a corporation, where proper support is an issue that must be met, things get a lot tougher. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.24 02:19:00 - [67] Edited by: Shoukei on 24/10/2009 02:19:23 Next big paradigm shift is complex javascript apps that run in browser. You can already make perfectly good word, power point, excel, and other office style application, which makes a lot of sense for most larger companies. Heck, is there still someone who doesn't use web based email client, unless they have been locked in? There is a good reason why everyone is switching to web apps, and Google plans to make the most of it. On the other hand, Microsoft is trying to prevent it every step of the way, because that means business will stop buying windows licenses for every computer. But lets go back to the subject. XP is awesome, and win7 does not bring anything significant to the table. It should be a service pack, not new version.
Josh Silver Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.24 03:05:00 - [68] Edited by: Josh Silver on 24/10/2009 03:06:01 Forget DX11, just remove the Sensor Booster effect and I'm happy. Also an option to disable the terrible eye-cancer nebulae skyboxes.
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.24 03:09:00 - [69] Embrace DX11, use adaptive (LOD) tessellation to make a new Sensor Booster effect.
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.24 03:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 24/10/2009 01:49:43 Originally by: Saint Lazarus Pfft you cant compare no name companies idle threats compared to Googles, you know Google, the guys doing a pretty good job of taking over the interwebs/world. Meant people like you claiming it. You will not find a statement from Google saying that they're going wipe windows of the desktop market. Nor have "no name' companies like Novell or Red Hat made such claims. Originally by: Saint Lazarus and honestly do you? 20 years of chicken and egg. You can't sell/give away your OS unless there is a large application library for it. You won't get a large application library until your OS has a significant market share. Google Chrome OS is aimed at cloud computing and within that, at present, niche it is likely to do very well. If services like Onlive take off and perform at a satisfactory level and pricepoint, than the niche for cloudcomputing may very well become the main market. But expecting Linux, even when distributed by Google, to replace windows on your average workcomputer and home PC is an ignorant notion at best. If vista is barely able to entice XP users, why on earth would they go to Chrome OS? It would pretty much make every piece of software they own obsolete, unless they start messing with stuff like WINE. P.S.: I know the application library for linux isn't exactly small from a home user point of view. But when dealing with specific apps within a corporation, where proper support is an issue that must be met, things get a lot tougher. Actions speak louder than words, Googles hardly going to come out with such statements nor do they need to. And I honestly dont get why you find it an ignorant notion when you clearly see the advantages with services like Onlive. You also admit that Linux's current application libary isnt exactly small, so your first point is moot, there isnt alot of compatibility with windows applications but there is a huge amount of applications already for Linux distributions which can only grow with the success in their attempt at netbook domination so after success on the netbook platform why wouldnt they attempt a proper Desktop OS? because of windows only software? theres already an amazing amount of Linux alternatives for casual users or for people with specfic needs they could implement a WINElike web application (online meaning users didnt have to fiddle with it, just select a program from a list and Google keep it up to date and working) to let them run say Photoshop in a browser. For most casual home users a much more simplified browser based OS would be a real draw if it had enough functionality because simply put its not as bloated as Windows (most people refuse to go from XP to Vista because ultimately they're the bloody same). To think they simply wouldnt bother to even try come up with solutions is as ignorant as thinking they wont attempt a takeover. If home users could get a faster, simpler, more secure, easy to use FREE OS that could play games and had all the basic functions they needed why wouldnt they use it over windows. They could give a ** about the comparable app libarys if they had what they wanted or that the industry standard workstation continued to be Windows based. Comparing those benefits to the questionable benefit of switching to Vistas a bit silly really. Right now the real challenge seems to be the games part because Onlive and services like it are a long way away, and even a fanboi as big as me aint gonna make the move if I cant play EvE on it But if I can see the problem so can they -----------------** My EvE Comic
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 04:35:00 - [71] Originally by: Saint Lazarus You also admit that Linux's current application libary isnt exactly small, so your first point is moot, there isnt alot of compatibility with windows applications but there is a huge amount of applications already for Linux distributions which can only grow with the success in their attempt at netbook domination It's not moot. My boss will not accept: "Yes, I posted that bug on the sourceforge forum. Now we'll just have to hope someone picks it up and fixes it". Do you know how few applications are properly supported for a commercial environment? And as long as people use windows at work, they'll prefer it at home. Originally by: Shoukei You can already make perfectly good word, power point, excel, and other office style application, which makes a lot of sense for most larger companies. Plenty of higher management isn't comfortable with making the internet connection an even bigger umbilical cord. There are also security and legal issues with working in the cloud. E.g. when american data is on an european server, which nation's laws apply to the aspect of privacy? European laws are a lot more strict. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.10.24 04:48:00 - [72] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 24/10/2009 04:51:53 Originally by: Saint Lazarus If home users could get a faster, simpler, more secure, easy to use FREE OS that could play games and had all the basic functions they needed why wouldnt they use it over windows. Unless it starts coming preloaded with the major PC brands, the average home user probably isn't going to bother. Plus, looking at the way the PC market has been going for years now, I doubt those selling points would matter. For an example of how important those selling points are look at, from the point of view of reputation (not real world comparison), Windows versus MacOS. MacOS is marketed as the faster, simpler, more secure, more stable operating system (basically marketed as no viruses, no crashes, no BSOD). Windows PCs have a reputation for being slow, unreliable, buggy, virus-infested systems that are more difficult to use. And yet a rather large majority of the market still goes out and buys a PC with Windows preloaded. Unless one of the major manfacturers defects, Microsoft isn't going to be threatened anytime soon. I'm not knocking Google or their attempt here. I'm all for a new option as far as operating systems go. I just don't see anyone really even hurting Microsoft's hold on the market as it is at the moment. The general PC market for all its hatred and criticism of MS, doesn't really seem to want to give it up. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.24 07:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Plenty of higher management isn't comfortable with making the internet connection an even bigger umbilical cord. There are also security and legal issues with working in the cloud. E.g. when american data is on an european server, which nation's laws apply to the aspect of privacy? European laws are a lot more strict. Unless you noticed, companies have intranets. What gave you this silly notion that you have to use externally hosted aps instead of locally hosted ones? With that said, your musings are entirely irrelevant
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2009.10.24 07:10:00 - [74] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Neamus Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 22/10/2009 16:08:20 Originally by: Shoukei Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I agree, and im not happy with Win 7 either, even if it runs nicely. I simply loathe the new toolbar and Start menu. Progress. Bah. Stupidity I call it! Might end up going back to Win XP really. insane isnt it.. In summary: We fear change, who stole my packet of Werther's Original and why doesn't EvE come on 1.44Mb floppy disks? Why change anything for the change itself? many dont like it. And it is I who pays their salaries by bying their OSes. Not to mention theres no real alternative for us who dont like it. heck, they could at least make the old one optional, but nooo. So its a step back for my part. And many others I know. its also stupid comparing an increase in number of megabytes with a software change. While the first one icnreases storage nothing else, the OS change changes the way you work. Thats a difference! For me, its like changing from working with a computer with a harddrive to working with a computer with CD storage and booting only. Stupid Yeah, why did I ever switch from DOS to windows? DOS was perfectly functional, why change what some of us were used too. I even liked it. **** it, where are my DOS disks. Lets see if I can get DOS back on here. My sig don't fracking work.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 07:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Shoukei What gave you this silly notion that you have to use externally hosted aps instead of locally hosted ones? Maybe because that is the very definition of Cloud Computing... Or this article... Or this one... Or the fact that on a network drawing the symbol for the internet is a cloud... And yes, one of the solutions is to host within the company, but that takes away most of the benefits. Wikipedia article, fairly decent summary of pros and cons. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Danbar Roth Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.24 07:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Shoukei What gave you this silly notion that you have to use externally hosted aps instead of locally hosted ones? Maybe because that is the very definition of Cloud Computing... Or this article... Or this one... Or the fact that on a network drawing the symbol for the internet is a cloud... And yes, one of the solutions is to host within the company, but that takes away most of the benefits. Wikipedia article, fairly decent summary of pros and cons. Someone that actually knows what he is talking about, on eve-o? Blasphemy! One big problem with cloud computing, thin clients and general centralization is that productivity drops to 0 if and when the network goes down. However working in a service role i would think the advantage would outweight the disadvantage due to cutting support costs drastically. I get the sense this thread has derailed slightly... On the topic of Dx11, the eve-in-space engine probably wont gain much from Dx11 as it isn't all that advanced, however in WIS i think it might be alot more useful. I don't really know anything about 3d programming tho and have no idea of what kind of work would be involved in changing to Dx11.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.24 08:18:00 - [77] Look at it this way: DX9 Is safe. Its Tried and Tested and beaten to death with the Bugbludgeon of Doom. While DX10 or even, DX11 has more shinies, its simply safer to wait and see whether or not they are long term (DX10 already being cast aside like a heavily used Wii...toy). While it is fine for Non-MMO games to develop individual games on the current "best" it is smarter for MMO's to go with the more Long-Term, since if CCP had jumped and made a DX10 client months after it was out, they would have had to re-do soon thereafter for either DX11 and risk a "Deja-Vu" moment -if- DX11 failed even half as hard, or downgrade to DX9 for long term stability. YOu can probably see the nagtive effects both of these situations would hold... Now, CCP stuck with DX9, which is still the more long term favourite (Though DX11 MAY take the stage, it is still unclear even though Windows 7 is shaping up to be the most popular and widely distributed OS since XP) and it proved overall to be a smart idea. Considering the Longevity DX10 experienced _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.24 10:28:00 - [78] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Shoukei What gave you this silly notion that you have to use externally hosted aps instead of locally hosted ones? Maybe because that is the very definition of Cloud Computing... Or this article... Or this one... Or the fact that on a network drawing the symbol for the internet is a cloud... And yes, one of the solutions is to host within the company, but that takes away most of the benefits. Wikipedia article, fairly decent summary of pros and cons. How did we get to Cloud Computing? If you want to retort my posts feel free. However, it is better if you don't invent a new position for me that is easier for you to retort in the process. I haven't said any of the things you take issue with. Go argue with your phantom elsewhere
StealthNet Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.24 11:52:00 - [79] Basically, there is only one vidcard capable of DX11 atm. Windows 7 was launched 2 days ago. So no, no DX11 for a while. EVE will adopt it eventually, but not this year. If we get lucky, maybe sometime in 2011. StealthNet _______________________________________________
Uozi Gallente SUBX Missions Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.24 12:41:00 - [80] DX10.1, DX11 same difference for me, only thing out of the bag that i REALLY would like to have from those two, is the support for crossfirex and sli in windowed mode. I find it rather annoying that one of my gpus is rolling its thumbs while the other one is working like a madman to keep up with gfx from 4 accounts, causing rather high heating (though it is getting winter, so that heats up my office room). Heck i can run them in real-fullscreen wouldnt bother me, if it wasnt for the fact that when switching between the accounts my mouse pointer disappears until i move the mouse. Half a second to switch account, 2-5seconds to find the bloody damn mouse pointer :(
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 12:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Google Chrome OS is aimed at cloud computing and within that, at present, niche it is likely to do very well. If services like Onlive take off and perform at a satisfactory level and pricepoint, than the niche for cloudcomputing may very well become the main market. Originally by: Shoukei Next big paradigm shift is complex javascript apps that run in browser. You can already make perfectly good word, power point, excel, and other office style application, which makes a lot of sense for most larger companies. Heck, is there still someone who doesn't use web based email client, unless they have been locked in? There is a good reason why everyone is switching to web apps, and Google plans to make the most of it. Originally by: Washell Olivaw Plenty of higher management isn't comfortable with making the internet connection an even bigger umbilical cord. There are also security and legal issues with working in the cloud. E.g. when american data is on an european server, which nation's laws apply to the aspect of privacy? European laws are a lot more strict. Originally by: Shoukei Unless you noticed, companies have intranets. What gave you this silly notion that you have to use externally hosted aps instead of locally hosted ones? Originally by: Shoukei How did we get to Cloud Computing? If you want to retort my posts feel free. However, it is better if you don't invent a new position for me that is easier for you to retort in the process. I haven't said any of the things you take issue with. Go argue with your phantom elsewhere As you can see, we were talking about cloud computing from the first post you replied to. Java/Web apps such as google docs fall well within the scope of cloud computing. No invention was needed. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.24 13:08:00 - [82] Edited by: Furb Killer on 24/10/2009 13:08:26 Originally by: StealthNet Basically, there is only one vidcard capable of DX11 atm. Windows 7 was launched 2 days ago. So no, no DX11 for a while. EVE will adopt it eventually, but not this year. If we get lucky, maybe sometime in 2011. HD5750, HD5770, HD5850 (mine :D), HD5870. One of us cant count, i bet it is you. Quote: Preferably never, because i am keeping win xp no matter what microsoft does to force me into buying some new crappy os. I heard windows 98 runs really fast, why use bloated XP? Or even beter, 3.1. Or why not just use DOS? Hell real men game in ascii anyway.
StealthNet Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.24 15:04:00 - [83] Doh, they are all basically the same family, and all based on ATI. I have a 5870 myself. Pretty nice vidcard indeed. What I meant was: at least two big players with DX11 hardware (nvidia any1?) It won¦t take long for them (december), despite the fact they delayed their hardware a bit. Fact is, they already declared they are not that interested in DX11 so, prepare to wait. StealthNet _______________________________________________
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.24 15:41:00 - [84] Originally by: StealthNet Fact is, they already declared they are not that interested in DX11 so, prepare to wait. Doh, its called 'marketing'. Downplay the competitions feature set whilst they have free reign of the market. Dont for a second think nvidia didn't want Fermi released for Win 7. DX11 will be heavily focused on when they finally have working silicon.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 17:56:00 - [85] Originally by: StealthNet Fact is, they already declared they are not that interested in DX11 so, prepare to wait. Their line-up is DX9/10/10.1 cards, ATI's line-up is DX9/10/10.1/11 cards. It's not exactly in nVidia's best interests to tell people the benefits of DX11. Once their card hits the market, you can expect a campaign that why DX11 in itself isn't that great, their card makes it brilliant! Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.24 19:47:00 - [86] Originally by: Washell Olivaw As you can see, we were talking about cloud computing from the first post you replied to. Java/Web apps such as google docs fall well within the scope of cloud computing. No invention was needed. If you scroll up, you will notice that my initial post does not quote yours, and that i am not suggesting cloud computing. Most people would at this point not be dishonest and not omit this minor detail. Instead, you have decided to make it look as if we were having a continuous discussion, which is entirely misleading on your part. Keep fighting your phantom, and keep inventing positions for people you are trying to respond to. Who knows, if you do it long enough, it just might make some sense
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.10.24 20:51:00 - [87] A quote isn't neccesary to qualify as a reply. Nor does your post make any sense unless it was a reply to mine. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Boomershoot Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.10.24 21:11:00 - [88] every year, at some point of time, people start whining because their "uber overclocked <brand> <cpu clock> <random tech term for coolness>" is obsolote. in about 6 months my desktop will get to the 10-years theresold, and since i bought it 9 years and 6 months ago it ran well, without any major problem (eve nthe hard drives are in good conditions after 8 years). Now, since it's going to be obsolete (for real) in the near future, i decided to wait until USB 3.0 is implemented on motherboards and the prices start to drop (june? maybe i'll wait till next september.) then, my computer won't be the best, but it will last (hopefully 10 more years). That's to avoid spending money on stuff that gets minor improvements over time. As for DX11, i couldn't care less. when (and IF) it will become as stable as DX9c we can start thinking of DX11 in EVE ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
Uozi Gallente SUBX Missions Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.24 22:56:00 - [89] Originally by: Saint Lazarus And a Netbook OS is just the start obviously, they have this recurring habit of building on their ideas , I really dont see them stopping at just a simple Netbook based OS (considering they already created Android a handheld device OS thingymabob), and honestly do you? Android has gotten quite some criticism of not living up to expectations. and google isn't doing as good a job at 'taking over the interwebs/world' as you might think, they are a big player, but their size fails in comparison to Microsofts'. Coincidently Microsoft has a handheld device os 'thingymabob' as well, and has had for a long time. I guess I'm as skeptic as Weshell Olivaw, Linux has for a very long time been tutored to be the end of Microsoft OS domination, as soon as it was 'ready for the desktop'. Oh and the track record of software released from google isn't exactly that good. They suffer from the same problems both Microsoft and Apple does, trying to conquer the world, except with Microsoft they seem to be able to achieve it :) disclaimer, not a microsoft fan, not a google fan, apple fan, but use all 3 companies products for everyday use.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2009.10.24 23:50:00 - [90] Originally by: Washell Olivaw A quote isn't neccesary to qualify as a reply. Nor does your post make any sense unless it was a reply to mine. Quote is an indicator, and my post doesn't talk about cloud hosting. Tell me, is there any kind of physical sensation associated with having an abnormally low IQ? Is there like a numbness or heaviness inside your head? Or is the affliction completely transparent to the sufferer?
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.25 00:05:00 - [91] Originally by: Boomershoot every year, at some point of time, people start whining because their "uber overclocked <brand> <cpu clock> <random tech term for coolness>" is obsolote. in about 6 months my desktop will get to the 10-years theresold, and since i bought it 9 years and 6 months ago it ran well, without any major problem (eve nthe hard drives are in good conditions after 8 years). Now, since it's going to be obsolete (for real) in the near future, i decided to wait until USB 3.0 is implemented on motherboards and the prices start to drop (june? maybe i'll wait till next september.) then, my computer won't be the best, but it will last (hopefully 10 more years). That's to avoid spending money on stuff that gets minor improvements over time. As for DX11, i couldn't care less. when (and IF) it will become as stable as DX9c we can start thinking of DX11 in EVE If your pc is really that ancient (almost 10 yrs old) and you're able to use DX9c then there must have been a gfx upgrade at some point? I'd also like to hear your technical reasoning as to the 'stability' issue regarding DX11 over DX9.
illford baker Pilots of Damnation death from above..	Posted - 2009.10.25 00:47:00 - [92] i saw a youtube video, and tessellation(basically, you can draw more triangles with less lag(for those who don't know, all your games are drawn with triangles)) would make this game a visual orgy of epix graphics! though i don't have a DX11 card yet, i will buy one when the selection becomes more diverse and when more games i want start supporting them. check out the difference here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkKtY2G3FbU CoD MW2 no dedicated servers or mod tools the IW site petition http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mwth
EvilW33d	Posted - 2009.10.25 03:54:00 - [93] Originally by: Zahidra I always find XP vs Vista arguments interesting. Sure, vista was buggy and not all that great until SP1. Since then Vista > XP in most aspects (yes, even benchmark performance in many regards). Win 7 is bascially a repacked and optimized Vista so i quite frankly find it hilarious when the vista haters praise win 7. ... If you are going to argue, please do it right. Vista has been an epic failure, since the day was launched. Even with SP1, there is no way, that OS would be better in any regard with that kind of system requirements, it may be in a high-end performance computer, but not in any computer. Plus, any tweaked XP would beat the crp out of any version of Vista. Last, but not least... Win7 is NOT* a repacked/optimized Vista. Please read an OS book and learn the basic concepts behind registries, multi-threathing, multi-cores, and such... and if you read a bit more on W7, you would see that W7 was entirely redesigned. W7 will not get slower by installing lot of stuff and it will process stuff faster with multi core processors. Did i mention system requirements ? guess not... but i hope you get the point.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2009.10.25 10:08:00 - [94] Originally by: EvilW33d If you are going to argue, please do it right. Vista has been an epic failure, since the day was launched. Even with SP1, there is no way, that OS would be better in any regard with that kind of system requirements, it may be in a high-end performance computer, but not in any computer. Plus, any tweaked XP would beat the crp out of any version of Vista. Last, but not least... Win7 is NOT* a repacked/optimized Vista. Please read an OS book and learn the basic concepts behind registries, multi-threathing, multi-cores, and such... and if you read a bit more on W7, you would see that W7 was entirely redesigned. W7 will not get slower by installing lot of stuff and it will process stuff faster with multi core processors. Did i mention system requirements ? guess not... but i hope you get the point. Wow, you really couldn't be more wrong. Sure Vista launched and for the first years certainly wasn't a good idea in general. But SP1 and all the updates since really push it above XP, Suer ti has hiher minimum requirements but it does use them better once you go above 2GB or RAM. This was the same wwith the launch of Win2k and XP. Current systems weren't powerful, current drivers were incompatible, transistion zones for companies with new support meaning old reliable hardware would never work and you would have to wait for new companies to make new hardware for XP. This happens every time a New OS is launched from Microsoft, when yo control 90% of the market problem will statistically occur. Win7 is a repackaged Vista, Microsoft did not want another Vista failure so kept the original VIsta shell and improved it enough to warrent a new OS. Like 2k to XP. Vista was the complete redesign, Win7 is the refinement. ------------------------------------- Don't click the links or even the forum topics.
Jim Luc Caldari FMUI Navy	Posted - 2009.10.27 04:28:00 - [95] So, this thread is supposed to be about when EvE will be receiving the many benefits of DX11, most notably tessellation. NOT a thread about why you run XP and won't upgrade to Vista or Win7.... The bottom line is how Eve will benefit with tessellation and lighting improvements. Trinity is still beautiful, and they're adding some great planet effects with Dominion, but if they could tessellate the planets and ships, then you could fly seamlessly to the planet's surface, or at least see the planet's mountains and valleys, or buildings, etc from high up. The stations would also be more in detail, with cars moving in the little cities, etc. It opens up a whole new world for artists, who can create a high-res/high-poly model, leaving the detail levels to the software and hardware. Anyone from CCP care to speak up?
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2009.10.27 12:10:00 - [96] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: Tiny Tove Computers understand 1's and 0's. They can add them, they can subract them, they can compare them, and they can move them from one place to another. That's pretty much it. I guess to you, hardware architecture means nothing since transistors are either on or off. New DirectX version levels standardize new hardware features so that developers actually use them. ATI has had a hardware tessellator on their cards for something like five years, now that DX11 spec includes it, Nvidia will have to support it as well. Hell, Xbox360 has one and nearly every game uses it, but no PC games use it despite having the computing horsepower and hardware to do it better for years. In any case, you sound bitter. I canz downloadz and installz hardwarez hurrrrrrr Prat. --- WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report.
StealthNet Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.30 01:21:00 - [97] http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/10/28/microsoft-wastes-no-time-releasing-directx-11-for-vista/ Oh well. StealthNet _______________________________________________

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