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Thatkidnamedrocky
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Posted - 2009.10.26 14:57:00 -
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Think this would be a good idea find my self in a bc having to fly to 20-30 different wrecks going at 199/ms
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Zaknussem
Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:01:00 -
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CCP disagrees with you.
They were planned for the game at one point, but the concept was abandoned, most likely because it would make salvaging too easy.
The skillbook for the skill Salvage Drone Operation exists, but costs hundreds of millions and does nothing. |
BenjaminBarker
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: BenjaminBarker on 26/10/2009 15:11:45 How big would they be? How fast would they fly? How much should they cost? How long should their cycle be, and how hard should it be for them to salvage? Should they work on T2 salvage, or do you want T2 salvage drones for that? Should they get the same quantity of salvage, or a reduced quantity? How will it affect Ninja Salvaging (boost it and people complain, nerf it and CCP won't go for it)?
Personally, I'd love it. I run a second account with a salvage destroyer, and it's a pain. But it's supposed to be. You need a friend, a second account, or ratting ship that's more mobile and sacrifices modules if you want to be able to salvage efficiently.
I don't think the system is broken.
edit - and regarding the Salvage Drone skill... I thought that skill existed before salvage did. It would have originally been intended to pickup loot, or tractor cans or something like that, since rigs and salvage didn't exist. If this did happen, it would be hilarious if they added that skill back in and it was suddenly no longer worth the hundreds of millions that people have paid for it.
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Thatkidnamedrocky
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:09:00 -
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wouldn't it be the same thing as mining drones or combat drones (balance)
drones+mining lazor = Mining drones drones+guns = combat drones drones+ salvager = salvaging drones
just seems as if it would go in naturaly
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SXYGeeK
Gallente do you Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:23:00 -
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If done correctly salvaging drones would offer an alternative for salvaging that wouldn't require high slots. vessels that don't have spare high slots don't currently do so well at salvaging, or even looting (lack of tracktors). they are beeing asked to sacrifice thier weapon fittings for salvage fittings, how is this different than sacrificing drone DPS for salvage drones. (yes drones can be swapped out but generaly only specialized drone boats have enough drone bay space for varied drone packages, and those ships would likely have high slots free)
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Cuisinart
Midas Tycho
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:45:00 -
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Would love to see it, but for as long as we've been wanting with no ccp response it seems unlikely we ever will.
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Ferria
Caldari United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.26 16:14:00 -
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The main problem is drones can only hold X where x is one item type. where salvaging can result with up to four types of items, this is evident in mining drones where if the cycle is interupted and ore type changed you will not get the original ore mined.
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Kruulus
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Posted - 2009.10.29 23:46:00 -
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As a professional salvager i have to say... PLEASE DON"T!!! I've been pushing to have salvaging treated as a true profession and not the mini-profession it's been treated as up to this point. adding a salvage drone would ruin my hopes and dreams and turn salvaging into a truly passive and casual thing. every miner who uses drone defenses will be able to put just 1 salvage drone in their bay to pull out when the coast is clear. i got my career started as a belt salvager as this would sadden me. and you thought ninja salvaging was annoying NOW? just wait until that salvage Myrmidon warps into your mission space and cleans you out before you can yell "Ninja!"
now that i've made my opinion known here's the points i will concede. yeah, given the sandbox nature of EVE, it does make logical sense that a salvage drone could exist. there is no fundamental reason that an engineer could not invent one. and yes... if mission runners with a drone bay could load at least one salvage drone then it would increase the salvage on the market. less tractor beams and salvagers leads to more DPS which means less time spent on a mission which means more missions run/day which leads to even more salvage on the market. this would lead to a decrease in rig prices... benefiting the consumer and increasing the amount of fit customizations being used and make the game a little more interesting (this doesn't exactly benefit rig manufacturers like myself though).
but again.. ccp... please don't... for the children.
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Crowdad
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Posted - 2009.10.29 23:50:00 -
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What would all my little slaves (recruits) do? -- Crowdad Programmer, Eve application developer. |
Drakarin
Gallente The Abyssmal Spire Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.10.30 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kruulus As a professional salvager i have to say... PLEASE DON"T!!! I've been pushing to have salvaging treated as a true profession and not the mini-profession it's been treated as up to this point. adding a salvage drone would ruin my hopes and dreams and turn salvaging into a truly passive and casual thing. every miner who uses drone defenses will be able to put just 1 salvage drone in their bay to pull out when the coast is clear. i got my career started as a belt salvager as this would sadden me. and you thought ninja salvaging was annoying NOW? just wait until that salvage Myrmidon warps into your mission space and cleans you out before you can yell "Ninja!"
now that i've made my opinion known here's the points i will concede. yeah, given the sandbox nature of EVE, it does make logical sense that a salvage drone could exist. there is no fundamental reason that an engineer could not invent one. and yes... if mission runners with a drone bay could load at least one salvage drone then it would increase the salvage on the market. less tractor beams and salvagers leads to more DPS which means less time spent on a mission which means more missions run/day which leads to even more salvage on the market. this would lead to a decrease in rig prices... benefiting the consumer and increasing the amount of fit customizations being used and make the game a little more interesting (this doesn't exactly benefit rig manufacturers like myself though).
but again.. ccp... please don't... for the children.
Well, every other profession in EvE have drones for the task, so if us salvager's did get one, wouldn't that do the opposite? It would fortify it as a conclusive true professional task.
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Kruulus
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Posted - 2009.10.30 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Drakarin Well, every other profession in EvE have drones for the task, so if us salvager's did get one, wouldn't that do the opposite? It would fortify it as a conclusive true professional task.
no, it's very different. the only people who use mining drones are miners, and therefore those are profession specific drones. the mining profession isn't infringed upon by non-miners using mining drones, because nobody BUT miners use them. but with salvage drones you will have non professional salvagers infringing on what pro-salvagers would normally take care of. as explained in my post, the amount of belt salvage available for the belt salvager would drop significantly if miners cleaned up their own garbage. and i know that ninja salvaging isn't popular but they too would find probing down mission spaces less profitable if BC/BS mission runners could so easily clean up after themselves with minimal sacrifice to DPS. complex salvaging, which is essentially the same as ninja salvaging without the probing, would suffer a similar fate. so with those sources of salvage gone, what's left over for a career salvager?
so in conclusion, the introduction of salvage drones would destroy the salvage profession with the exception of perhaps the most ruthless of ninja salvagers (i beleive i already mentioned the dreaded salvage drone boat myrmidon). salvaging would become merely a casual afterthought for drone defended miners and mission runners.
this message was paid for by "The Council for Professional Salvagers" and "The Salvage for Toddlers Foundation"
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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2009.10.30 18:06:00 -
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One remedy to this design problem would be rather simple. It would giving the pilot the ability to fit out their drone with whatever set-up they want to. The combat drones would stay the same of course, but would have two mini-rig slots with a total of 25 calibration points available regardless of drone and tech level type. You would then have one medium slot and one low slot to add mini-modules to increase the effective of the drone in the same manner that you do a ship.
You have a Tech Two Hammerhead and you want to upgrade it.
You have three selections to choose from relating to the class of drone which is a combat drone. You could rig fit a damage rig to increase the damage of the drone, weapons falloff or tracking. For the medium slot you could add a mini tracking module with script to increase the tracking range or even the speed of the drone. The low slot you could add anyhting from an inertial stabilizer to a mini-tech 2 mag stab or drone related weapon's upgrade.
By allowing the drones to be upgraded in this manner would free up the ships slots to make the main combat ships more combat capable as they should be instead of having to sacrifice slots for drone support which there are dedicated ships that are designed as drone carriers that should function in the manner of a drone carrier. If a pilot wants a kick ass vexor to be used as a drone carrier but also needs to be able to defend itself from other ships, then the vexor would need all of the slots it can for it's own defense and not for the support of the drones alone.
Now for the mining and salvage drone: Each mining and salvage drone would function in the same manner as the combat drone does except that you would have a basic drone with one high slot, one medium slot and one low slot. The high slot would be fitted with either a basic drone mining laser, tech two drone mining laser, Deep Core mining laser, Ice mining laser and Merc mining laser. The mining laser's would of course all be mini-version to the larger barge versions.
The medium slot could be used as a mwd of ab slot or an increased range module with script.
The low slot could be used for a mining upgrade or mini-cargo hold expander.
The two rig slots would be used for any variation's of rigs ranging from a mini-cargo hold optimizer rig, increased mining amount rig or percentage of chance to salvage an item from a wreck rig.
This new type of drone would establish a new market in New Eden as well as presenting more manufacturing options for the manufacturing corporation.
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Kruulus
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Posted - 2009.10.30 18:14:00 -
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hmm.. i feel like that idea deserves it's own topic... it doesn't really speak to the issue we're discussing.
that being said... i don't like this idea because it would probably case drones to be more expensive... and i'm already pretty annoyed when i lose a drone.
and if this idea were to be implemented i think the question has to be asked... would drones then leave behind wrecks to be salvaged?
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BrysonBennington
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Posted - 2009.10.30 18:18:00 -
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nullno, it's very different. the only people who use mining drones are miners, and therefore those are profession specific drones. the mining profession isn't infringed upon by non-miners using mining drones, because nobody BUT miners use them. but with salvage drones you will have non professional salvagers infringing on what pro-salvagers would normally take care of. as explained in my post, the amount of belt salvage available for the belt salvager would drop significantly if miners cleaned up their own garbage. and i know that ninja salvaging isn't popular but they too would find probing down mission spaces less profitable if BC/BS mission runners could so easily clean up after themselves with minimal sacrifice to DPS. complex salvaging, which is essentially the same as ninja salvaging without the probing, would suffer a similar fate. so with those sources of salvage gone, what's left over for a career salvager?
so in conclusion, the introduction of salvage drones would destroy the salvage profession with the exception of perhaps the most ruthless of ninja salvagers (i beleive i already mentioned the dreaded salvage drone boat myrmidon). salvaging would become merely a casual afterthought for drone defended miners and mission runners.
this message was paid for by "The Council for Professional Salvagers" and "The Salvage for Toddlers Foundation"[/url]
Why the hell would I want to pay someone half of what I salvaged and labored to earn by destroying the NPC's where they did not do any of the work to destroy the NPC in the first place? I can see if a corp was on a large op where they had maybe 20 or thirty plus wrecks to salvage per room and wanted to keep moving in order to accomplish the agenda of completing five level five mission rooms, then it would make sense to employ a salvaging specific profession, the salvage drone is geared towards the solitary pilot who is deep inside of 0.0 and doesnt have the luxury of employing the likes of a catalyst or other salvage ship. There is no such as ninja salvaging either, ninja looting yes, but as we all know it salvage is free to whomever salvages the wreck.
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BrysonBennington
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Posted - 2009.10.30 18:23:00 -
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Quote: hmm.. i feel like that idea deserves it's own topic... it doesn't really speak to the issue we're discussing.
that being said... i don't like this idea because it would probably case drones to be more expensive... and i'm already pretty annoyed when i lose a drone.
and if this idea were to be implemented i think the question has to be asked... would drones then leave behind wrecks to be salvaged?
The chance to salvage a drone wreck would be like salvaging any other ship, but instead of salvaging normal ship wreck salvage you would instead drone salvage that could then be used to build other drones just as regular salvage would is used to build ships. You would also receive drone metal scraps that would only be able to be used in the building of drone's or regular metal scraps where both types of scraps could be reprocessed into 50 to 100 units of trit.
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Dharh
Gallente Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.30 19:45:00 -
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The problem with salvaging is that it does not work my mining does. You don't get X amount of salvage per minute (not in the classical ore per minute sense anyway). You get specific 1 to 3(? or higher) pieces depending on your skill/difficulty, size of salvage, and type of ship/wreck.
On the other hand, if instead of a classical drones they were instead node terminals. You equip special salvage drone high slot modules, which link to the salvage drone, which allows you to extend the range of your beam. So in essence a salvage drone does nothing except extend the range of your beam to the range of your drones. No other bonuses apply.
Realistically though I don't know if this is supportable in EVE. You would have to sic a drone to a target, fire the salvage beam at the drone, which fires the beam at the wreck.
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BrysonBennington
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Posted - 2009.10.30 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: BrysonBennington on 30/10/2009 21:34:21 Edited by: BrysonBennington on 30/10/2009 21:33:58
Quote: The problem with salvaging is that it does not work my mining does. You don't get X amount of salvage per minute (not in the classical ore per minute sense anyway). You get specific 1 to 3(? or higher) pieces depending on your skill/difficulty, size of salvage, and type of ship/wreck.
On the other hand, if instead of a classical drones they were instead node terminals. You equip special salvage drone high slot modules, which link to the salvage drone, which allows you to extend the range of your beam. So in essence a salvage drone does nothing except extend the range of your beam to the range of your drones. No other bonuses apply.
Realistically though I don't know if this is supportable in EVE. You would have to sic a drone to a target, fire the salvage beam at the drone, which fires the beam at the wreck.
Okay lets stick to the mining drone as the only drone that you would be able to change out the high slot mining laser to whatever type of material that you were mining.
The salvage drone would be considered an extra large drone that would need 50 mb of bandwidth per single channel of operation. The salvage drone would have a mini salvager, two rig slots with a calibration of 25 points, One medium slot and one low slot. The cargo hold would hold a total of 25 m3. Speed would be 10 m/s. The remaining attributes would the comparable to the tech one ogre:
Volume - 25.03 m3 Mass - 12000.0 kg Max locked targets - 2
Shield Shield Capacity - 200 HP Shield EM Resistance - 0% Shield Explosive Resistance - 60% Shield Thermal Resistance - 20% Shield Kinetic Resistance - 40% Shield Recharge Rate Time - 250.0 sec
Armor Armor Hitpoints - 425 HP Armor EM Resistance - 60% Armor Explosive Resistance - 10% Armor Thermal Resistance - 45% Armor Kinetic Resistance - 25%
Hull No resistance values available - The structure used to house hull resistance plating during the manufacturing process has been removed in favor of adding a cargo hold of 25 m3 storage capability.
Tactical Attributes
Proximity Activation - 5,000 m
Salvage Chance/Accuracy Falloff 12 Km - this means at 12,000 meters the chance of salvaging salvage will be at -50%, at 10 Km the chance will increase to -10%, at 5km the percentage goes up to +50% and at 2000 meters or less the percentage to salvage chance increases to 99%. Each level of percent to salvage is based off of the actual pilots salvage level located in the mechanic skill set. Acces Difficulty Bonus - 5% per skill level
Optimal Range - 12,000 meters Activation Time/Duration - 12.00 sec Max Velocity - 500 m/sec Orbit Velocity - 100 m/sec Recharge Time - 2500.00 s Inertia Modifier - 100 Signature Radius - 150m Signature Resolution - 125m
Sensor Strength's Radar - 20 pts. Ladar - 20 pts. Magnetometric - 20 pts. Gravimetric - 20 pts.
Capicitor and Powergrid Capicitor Capacity - 25 GJ Capicitor Recharge Rate - 125 secs. Power Grid - 10 MW Calibration - 25 points
Fitting
High Slot x 1 Medium Slot x 1 Low Slot x 1
Rig Slot's x 2
BandWidth Needed - 50 m/bits sec
Feel free to revise these particulars. CCP If possible can the item attributes all be arranged in the same manner for each item instead of being listed in different order per ship or module, thanks.
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Kruulus
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Posted - 2009.10.30 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: BrysonBennington
Why the hell would I want to pay someone half of what I salvaged and labored to earn by destroying the NPC's where they did not do any of the work to destroy the NPC in the first place? I can see if a corp was on a large op where they had maybe 20 or thirty plus wrecks to salvage per room and wanted to keep moving in order to accomplish the agenda of completing five level five mission rooms, then it would make sense to employ a salvaging specific profession, the salvage drone is geared towards the solitary pilot who is deep inside of 0.0 and doesnt have the luxury of employing the likes of a catalyst or other salvage ship. There is no such as ninja salvaging either, ninja looting yes, but as we all know it salvage is free to whomever salvages the wreck.
um.. i never said ANYTHING about HIRING someone to do your salvaging... i'm speaking of self employed professional salvagers. other than couriers does anyone HIRE anybody to do anything for them? is there some lucrative gun-for-hire mission support system no one is telling me about?
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