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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:02:00 -
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I trapped a CNR, ransomed him for 135 million, then asploded him anyway.
Do you feel that this was a morally acceptable decision?
And by that I mean, do you think the carebear should have decided to fly a CNR that he couldn't afford to lose?
Discuss. Also, this is a terrible thread.
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Lord Windu
Echelon Warfare Unit
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:15:00 -
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I used to think that people who dishonour ransoms were in the wrong and slagged them off for doing so, but after years of playing I have realised that Eve is a sandbox and as long as people follow the rules as set by CCP then there is no real right or wrong. The only thing I feel is wrong or immoral is when people abuse real friendships as real friendships > internet spaceships. Everything else goes.
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Dragas Amitar
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:18:00 -
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Confirming that this thread is terrible.
Also, all cruise ravens should burn in fire.
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Apple Ginger
Minmatar
United Security Services and Resources
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:19:00 -
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Your video is unwatchable and lolbattleclinic.
I know you are hoping for someone to complain about you r morals. I'm just here to point out that you aren't special. Logit Probit does this far better than you most likely ever will.
As for honour, the call is yours... but your seeking approval and your corp name implies you yourself know this to be a jackass thing to do. Frankly go ahead and do it if it geeves your e-peen a little tingle 
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pleasewontyoulikeme
Minmatar
We Hide From War Decs
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:21:00 -
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cool story bro!
I also have trouble dealing with real life and social situations. I am very glad there's a game like EvE where we can use the "its just a game" excuse to vent all of our real life frustrations. Its a very good feeling being the person doing the bulling for once doesn't it?
Anyways i gots to go flip some cans! hopefully those missioners don't have webs or scrams fitted, then we would be in trouble!
YARRR
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:26:00 -
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On the one hand you've taught that CNR pilot a valuable lesson.
On the other hand you're baiting idiots in a mission hub and talking about it like it's some sort of epic fight for the ages.
So, I'm not sure who comes out of this looking worse.
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:38:00 -
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The only thing that I would feel bad about is the fact you've ruined the opprotunity to ransom the guy again. If you let the guy go, you just hook'em back in. When you pop'em after they've paid the ransom they learn to quick to not trust anyone.
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SnowRolla
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:50:00 -
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Never pay ransoms unless it's a group like the bastards, asshats like the OP have made sure I'll never pay, rather ride the lightening. . .
As for the carebear in the Raven, where are the logs with the tears? no tears, no big deal, just another wasted thread.
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Nidhiesk
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:55:00 -
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uhh, I dont want to watch that bad video (quality) so tell me here I guess when you flipped him which I think you did he shot back right ? if thats the case its legal for him to lose his ship...plain and simple. If its fitter for missions just dont shoot back FFS. Lots of people in Eve still don't understand that fact.
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.10.26 15:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalain ap'Sulen
The only thing that I would feel bad about is the fact you've ruined the opprotunity to ransom the guy again. If you let the guy go, you just hook'em back in. When you pop'em after they've paid the ransom they learn to quick to not trust anyone.
Except that...
a. CNR was already can baited and 'should' never get caught again anyway
b. CNR was dumb enough to pay a ransom to someone with Pauls new corp name
c. CNR was unfortunate enough to suffer from the extended aggro mechanic and really ought to have learned never to get flagged again.
Its pretty standard practice if you are going to gank mission runners NOT to honour ransoms.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.26 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bongo Debbie
Its pretty standard practice if you are going to gank mission runners NOT to honour ransoms.
Is it? That seems like a pretty arbitrary unwritten but-apparently-known-to-everyone rule? What's special about mission runners that makes honouring ransoms a waste of time? I would've though the opposite would be the case - they're more likely to have stuff they want to keep.
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.10.26 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel
Originally by: Bongo Debbie
Its pretty standard practice if you are going to gank mission runners NOT to honour ransoms.
Is it? That seems like a pretty arbitrary unwritten but-apparently-known-to-everyone rule? What's special about mission runners that makes honouring ransoms a waste of time? I would've though the opposite would be the case - they're more likely to have stuff they want to keep.
Bear in mind this is NOT piracy. It's high sec bear ganking plain and simple. It's best to take them for all they are worth since they really ought to never allow themselves to get baited a second time.
I've tried doing this a few times in a Sentinel and while it was fun trying, I haven't quite managed to pull it off yet. It's not really my style of play though tbh.
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Persephone Astrid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.10.26 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: SnowRolla
Never pay ransoms unless it's a group like the bastards
TYVM. 
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Vigo Larcen
Dark Claw Raiders
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Posted - 2009.10.26 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: pleasewontyoulikeme
cool story bro!
I also have trouble dealing with real life and social situations. I am very glad there's a game like EvE where we can use the "its just a game" excuse to vent all of our real life frustrations. Its a very good feeling being the person doing the bulling for once doesn't it?
Anyways i gots to go flip some cans! hopefully those missioners don't have webs or scrams fitted, then we would be in trouble!
YARRR
pLs
Confirming it's just a game.
Bro.
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PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar
yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:06:00 -
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you could use a new PR guy paul
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Kaya Divine
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:09:00 -
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You think that you`re a man
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Clavet
I trapped a CNR, ransomed him for 135 million, then asploded him anyway.
Do you feel that this was a morally acceptable decision?
And by that I mean, do you think the carebear should have decided to fly a CNR that he couldn't afford to lose?
Discuss. Also, this is a terrible thread.
the only people this really hurts is the other pirates that make a living off doing real ransoms its bad for busness.
The morallity of it all is your mind not really for us to decide.I for one have never dishonered a ransom but iam old school a lot of new guys just dont care sad really.
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Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:42:00 -
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what a boring play style you have
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2009.10.26 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bongo Debbie
Bear in mind this is NOT piracy. It's high sec bear ganking plain and simple. It's best to take them for all they are worth since they really ought to never allow themselves to get baited a second time.
This. I don't make any claims to being great at PvP, being an uber 0.0 badass, or being an eleet piratey type. I'm a hisec griefer. I may suck at what I do, but damn if I don't have a great time doing it!
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Kalain ap'Sulen
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bongo Debbie
Its pretty standard practice if you are going to gank mission runners NOT to honour ransoms.
I'd agree that you shouldn't OFFER a ransom if you are planning a gank. That said I do believe that if you offer one and its accepted and paid that you should follow thru with it. Thats just me though, nothing to do with e-bushido.
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Srialia
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kalain ap'Sulen
Originally by: Bongo Debbie
Its pretty standard practice if you are going to gank mission runners NOT to honour ransoms.
I'd agree that you shouldn't OFFER a ransom if you are planning a gank. That said I do believe that if you offer one and its accepted and paid that you should follow thru with it. Thats just me though, nothing to do with e-bushido.
You're missing the point though. He's not offering a ransom, he's trying to squeeze as much out of the bear as he possibly can. It's not a ransom. It's a trick.
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Compleat Bacon
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Posted - 2009.10.27 11:35:00 -
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Please continue this policy.
It will make the concept of ransom worthless, thus removing a major source of income for pirates. This will then lower the number of pirates, because it becomes less viable as a business, making lowsec almost usable. Good things come of this.
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Dannerkongen
Lootex
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:17:00 -
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if u pay ransom u have no selfrespect and should be exploded yes
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Srialia
You're missing the point though. He's not offering a ransom, he's trying to squeeze as much out of the bear as he possibly can. It's not a ransom. It's a trick.
Isn't he?
If the CNR guy just sent him ISK thinking it would constitute a ransom that's one thing, but if the OP explicitly offered a ransom, received the amount he asked for and then reneged on it - then that's a dishonoured ransom, it's as simple as that.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:31:00 -
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Cool story bro.
Also he's stupid to think that someone would let a CNR go for 135m
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Lucia Wilber
King's Pride Manufacturing Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 27/10/2009 14:03:25
Originally by: Paul Clavet
This. I don't make any claims to being great at PvP, being an uber 0.0 badass, or being an eleet piratey type. I'm a hisec griefer. I may suck at what I do, but damn if I don't have a great time doing it!
This.
Do what you enjoy. There's no "right" or "wrong" in a freaking video game. It's a game, and unless you're hacking or otherwise cheating, you're playing within the rules. Saying someone's not playing right is like a football team complaining because the other team is playing within the rules and still won't let them score a touchdown.
"But coach! We executed that play perfectly and those griefers still got a touchdown! That's not fair!"
"That's part of the game, kid."
"But...but, he pretended to hand the ball to one person and then threw it to someone else! He lied to me! I was scammed!"
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Velocity Prime
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.10.27 15:25:00 -
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Nice kill.
But Paul, you're ruining the "honorable" pirates chances of getting ransoms in the future!
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Lazy Eyeh
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:21:00 -
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Why is it that when I read what Paul writes that I hear the Church Lady from SNL?
Well isn't that special... 
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DONJUAN v
Tarnak inc.
The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Compleat Bacon
Please continue this policy.
It will make the concept of ransom worthless, thus removing a major source of income for pirates. This will then lower the number of pirates, because it becomes less viable as a business, making lowsec almost usable. Good things come of this.
your name should be compleat moron
anyone calling a eve player ''pirate'' has to be . and who ever wants to make isk at pvp , sit in empire in a gang of 10 insured ravens and wait for a big load in a small package
now on the ransom matter : ransoming a cnr for 135m is way too low
meaning the ''pirate '' as you call them , already planned not to let him go
135m just seems like an offer you cant refuse when your faction bs is in hull
on an other note , kadeshi honnor ransoms .
if any pilot of my alliance ever pop you after receiving payment , plz feel free to contact me ingame .
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Compleat Bacon
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: DONJUAN v
Originally by: Compleat Bacon
Please continue this policy.
It will make the concept of ransom worthless, thus removing a major source of income for pirates. This will then lower the number of pirates, because it becomes less viable as a business, making lowsec almost usable. Good things come of this.
your name should be compleat moron
anyone calling a eve player ''pirate'' has to be . and who ever wants to make isk at pvp , sit in empire in a gang of 10 insured ravens and wait for a big load in a small package
now on the ransom matter : ransoming a cnr for 135m is way too low
meaning the ''pirate '' as you call them , already planned not to let him go
135m just seems like an offer you cant refuse when your faction bs is in hull
on an other note , kadeshi honnor ransoms .
if any pilot of my alliance ever pop you after receiving payment , plz feel free to contact me ingame .
Pass grade school yet? Or is your character less than half your age yet?
Basic point was, dishonoring ransoms makes the chance of anyone paying one lower. Personally, I could care less. I don't pay ransoms, and don't generally ask for one.
Pirate is an Eve profession. If you don't agree, well, you have a large number of people think it exists.
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