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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7872
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:They don't undock or just logoff. Problem solved.
Quote:Sec status grinding is currently so easy they aren't outlaws more than two hours. So? Kill them.
Quote:Doesn't work against alpha ganks. Yes it does. Nope.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Problem solved.
How is problem solved when first they gank you and then wait 15 mins on station and gank you again?
Tippia wrote:Yes it does.
For some reason I don't believe you can rr for example a freighter when it's attacked by 15 Tornadoes.
And the Concord thing is an exploit. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes it does. For some reason I don't believe you can rr for example a freighter when it's attacked by 15 Tornadoes. And the Concord thing is an exploit. Wow, 15 people are killing one ship.
I guess the coordinated F1 tactic is just too overpowered. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7872
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:How is problem solved when first they gank you and then wait 15 mins on station and gank you again? Because as you mentioned, they don't undock. Thus they don't gank you.
Quote:For some reason I don't believe you Then I refer you back to the many threads where the topic has already been discussed and where this has been proven to you.
Quote:And the Concord thing is an exploit. Nope.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
293
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:39:00 -
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We fine space-scientists over at The Skunkworks have put many thousands of man hours into a study on exactly what is and isn't an exploit.
I tell you now, with no sarcasm or duplicity, that pre-spawning Concord is not an exploit. In fact, a variation of it is used by the very gankers you lament against for a slightly different purpose with no fear of reprecussion.
Also, as a rule of thumb, it's not an exploit unless you've been warned by a GM. (Warning: true in most, but not all, cases) |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:47:00 -
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Riiekus wrote:Hey ccp you need to do something about these griefers ganking hulks and mackinaws in ice and ore belts, its taking away the game play . high sec is suppose to be a safe zone not a worry about whether or not im going to get ganked while trying to mine for my corp. No i understand if we were in low or null sec mining away yea then by all means gank away but griefing us in high sec is absolutely ludicris. I have watched so many people quit this game because of it. Not to mention the alpha strikers at the gates. I have had enough. if i lose one more ship due to griefers i will quit this game, that will be 30 dollars usd x 12 months out of the year not going to your bank account. so please deal with these griefers. ty.
Riiekus.
Hmm, some 0.0 player posting nonsense to make it look like hi-sec folk are whinging? You want fries with that? |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
95
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:47:00 -
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Did anyone click the link I posted?
Because the OP has destroyed hulks in high sec. He is a ganker. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:47:00 -
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But it doesn't work if there's 60 people in system doing same thing.
The Concord spawn thing... |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:49:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Did anyone click the link I posted?
Because the OP has destroyed hulks in high sec. He is a ganker.
I rest my case. You want fries with that? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7874
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:51:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:But it doesn't work if there's 60 people in system doing same thing.
The Concord spawn thing... Sure it does. You just have to be a bit co-ordinated about it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Grumpy Owly
Paladin Philanthropists
616
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:51:00 -
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Pointless arguing with the gankers and affiliated proponents, they are only motivated by a selfish need to keep life easy for themselves or allow a better profit line on the gank, your literally wasting time arguing with them as they don't care about your gameplay one bit.
Better to apply the time to positive motivations and supporting counters missing from the game with CCP:
So:
Quote:For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?
Want to validate a potential Career path in GëívGëí with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?
Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?
You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in GëívGëí where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?
Or simply want to make GëívGëí less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?
Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing broken mechanic in the game which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?
Support: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.
CCP Design panel wrote: "It's going to be awesome."
"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."
"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_pLi1J9YrkM#t=1199s Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2581
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Do you actually read the things you quote before you respond to them, or are you just hoping that they will say something that has any bearing on your response? It's the same with you.
All I see is you constantly trying to 'rationalize away' other players statements with obvious generalizations or shallow fail examples to justify your own view point.
There's plenty of unbalanced aspects about it.
Suicide Gankers have cheap low skill overpowered small class ships able to Alpha destroy expensive high skill underpowered large class ships in high security unhindered.
Ability to operate in high security with negative security status.
Ability to use cloaked alt to scan, call out targets and loot wrecks.
Ability to engage target of choice when convenient.
Ability to constantly regain lost security status.
Ability to quickly train alt characters.
There's more examples but I'm tired of this BS. What makes it griefing is the fact that it's constantly being done day in and day out directed specifically against players who are engaging in a specific aspect of game play in a specific area. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:But it doesn't work if there's 60 people in system doing same thing.
The Concord spawn thing... Sure it does. You just have to be a bit co-ordinated about it. You have to all spawn concord at the same time or something. Then you'll have 60 CONCORD spawns.
When we did that 150+ thrasher gank of a jump freighter in Jita, I think the game made 150 CONCORD spawns... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:56:00 -
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Torneach wrote:Riiekus wrote:lol,
yep o/ dont bother me none i love diablo Diablo is the anti-sandbox. Maybe you really should think about leaving for good if that's your true substitute. Victor Nampoco wrote:STOP buying ice. How does this help miners, exactly? because the big corps and alliance's operating outside of the 'gank zone' that are making money from high sec miners not mining will start to hurt.
No demand , no trade , no isk.
Simple Cup the balls, and work the shaft |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
927
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:00:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Suicide Gankers have cheap low skill overpowered small class ships able to Alpha destroy expensive high skill underpowered large class ships in high security unhindered.
They're either "expensive high skill ships" or "vulnerable new players." Make up your mind. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cheap ships killing expensive ones, especially when the expensive ships are fit with zero tank.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ability to operate in high security with negative security status.
So you can do everything in hisec while -5 just like somebody at +5?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ability to use cloaked alt to scan, call out targets and loot wrecks.
Ability to engage target of choice when convenient.
I wasn't aware that cloaked ships could lock and scan ships and loot wrecks!
Cherry-picking of targets is not exclusive to suicide ganking or hisec PvP as a whole.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Ability to constantly regain lost security status.
Ability to quickly train alt characters.
Recovering security status is not a quick process. It's slow and tedious. Also, recycling alts is bannable.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:There's more examples but I'm tired of this BS. What makes it griefing is the fact that it's constantly being done day in and day out directed specifically against players who are engaging in a specific aspect of game play in a specific area.
What you define as griefing is irrelevant considering that the GMs make that call. eh |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:00:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Torneach wrote:Riiekus wrote:lol,
yep o/ dont bother me none i love diablo Diablo is the anti-sandbox. Maybe you really should think about leaving for good if that's your true substitute. Victor Nampoco wrote:STOP buying ice. How does this help miners, exactly? because the big corps and alliance's operating outside of the 'gank zone' that are making money from high sec miners not mining will start to hurt. No demand , no trade , no isk. Simple So, it's like an ice interdiction, but we don't have to do anything.
Ah, interesting. You should tell riverini about this, I'm sure he'd like to know about this so he can uh, tell everyone.... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
739
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:01:00 -
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CCP, I really need a Nyx but dont want to spend my isk on one. I REALLY need one, if you dont send me one Im going to quit this game. How can you expect me to play this game if I cant have a Nyx? Send nao or I quitz. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Lord Zim
787
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:04:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Like what? RR? There are literally tons of options.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Officer mods on Hulk isn't really a good option. There would be over 100% chance you will be ganked. And this is far from the best option. Tippia has listed a ton of them, another is to constantly keeping the ship moving so you constantly move out of blaster range etc.
But I guess that's harder to do than just whinging. vOv |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with cheap ships killing expensive ones, especially when the expensive ships are fit with zero tank.
Do you happen to have any good fits for Charon or Providence?
Richard Desturned wrote:So you can do everything in hisec while -5 just like somebody at +5?
Yes. |

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
408
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:08:00 -
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Must be trolling.
Tal |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
927
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:10:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:So you can do everything in hisec while -5 just like somebody at +5? Yes.
Oh yeah I forgot about all those -10 guys mining and running missions in hisec without hindrance by faction police eh |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7875
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:11:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Pointless arguing with the gankers and affiliated proponents, they are only motivated by a selfish need to keep life easy for themselves or allow a better profit line on the gank, your literally wasting time arguing with them as they don't care about your gameplay one bit. Excellent. That means it's meaningful to argue with me.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:There's plenty of unbalanced aspects about it.
Suicide Gankers have cheap low skill overpowered small class ships able to Alpha destroy expensive high skill underpowered large class ships in high security unhindered. Eh, no. Small class ships will not be able to destroy anything using alpha unless very highly skilled and using prohibitively expensive equipment, which kind of defeats the whole point. Even then, they will need numbers, which defeat the point even further.
The small class ships they can employ with little skill will be using DPS, which is very easy to defend against. This ease of defence kind of questions the whole GǣunbalancedGǥ bitGǪ
What's so unbalanced about lots of small ships taking out a larger one?
Quote:Ability to operate in high security with negative security status. Ability to use cloaked alt to scan, call out targets and loot wrecks. Ability to engage target of choice when convenient. Ability to constantly regain lost security status. Ability to quickly train alt characters. Ok. Where's the imbalance in any of this? The only one that even remotely comes near is the ability to pick the convenient time, but you can still defend against thatGǪ
Alavaria Fera wrote:You have to all spawn concord at the same time or something. Then you'll have 60 CONCORD spawns. I was thinking more along the lines of GÇ£don't spread out to 60 different places just because there's 60 of you GÇö gankers are not Cthulhu; safety in numbers does apply here.GÇ¥ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of GÇ£don't spread out to 60 different places just because there's 60 of you GÇö gankers are not Cthulhu; safety in numbers does apply here.GÇ¥
I can see disco coming to town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZ0EcsneSg |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
928
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:16:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Pointless arguing with the hisec miners and affiliated proponents, they are only motivated by a selfish need to keep life easy for themselves or allow their bots to run unhindered, your literally wasting time arguing with them as they don't care about the game one bit. eh |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7875
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:19:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I can see disco coming to town. Oh, you mean that weapon that doesn't work all that well against something with a proper tank; that requires tons of cap (of which they will have none); and which has tiiiiiny range so they'll maybe catch one or two ship in the radius (neither of which should die from it)?
Yes. That would be a rather expensive waste of time. Especially with pre-spawned CONCORD around. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:I can see disco coming to town. Oh, you mean that weapon that doesn't work all that well against something with a proper tank; that requires tons of cap (of which they will have none); and which has tiiiiiny range so they'll maybe catch one or two ship in the radius (neither of which should die from it)?
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs. |

FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
148
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:23:00 -
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Op
Go away. Just. Go. Away. You do not understand eve. Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176
"I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |

Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
222
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:24:00 -
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Not sure of goon alt.
or genuinely stupid. Space. It seems to go on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |

Lord Zim
787
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:25:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs. Within a very limited space, in lowsec, without concord. Yes. And? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7875
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Posted - 2012.06.12 07:28:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs. Did you even click that link? Did you notice the title? Did you notice the conspicuous absence of CONCORD? Did you notice how many ships were involved? Did you notice what they had to equip to make it work even without these constraints?
So yes, it would be a rather expensive waste of time, especially with pre-spawned CONCORD around. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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