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corvus acanum
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Posted - 2009.10.27 03:25:00 -
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Why is it that missiles can be bookmarked no other form of ammunition is able to be bookmarked and this puts all missile ships at a huge disadvantage is there a reason CCP did this?
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 03:30:00 -
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They can be bookmarked ? 
Interesting. But please explain, how is this "a huge disadvantage" ?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.10.27 03:34:00 -
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Interesting indeed! 
I can see how this can be useful :D
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Kenerian
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Posted - 2009.10.27 03:55:00 -
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Thats kinda cool, now I can bookmark incoming missiles use them to get into ranges that I desire (warp out warp in).
We should have a Dance off.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.27 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 27/10/2009 05:05:45
Originally by: Kenerian Thats kinda cool, now I can bookmark incoming missiles use them to get into ranges that I desire (warp out warp in).
Cant see me exploiting this tbh, warping off and back in is kinda impractical for most pvp situations where you couldnt warp to your new bookmark in the first place.
And if its engagements above the 200km range where you could, at one hand missile usage is rather uncommon, and at the other hand (in a sniper engagement) you wouldnt need that bookmark really as soon as the first wreck is there.
For the close range engagements, why would I want to warp out and back in to gain say 20km on a missile user when I can just burn that distance with the MWD much quicker?
Besides, you'd need to be pretty lucky with your bookmark timing to actually get it where you want it to be, would be a shame to warp off and back in just to land 5km from the spot you came from 
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Kikkoman6
Amarr Terrenus Arcanorum
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Posted - 2009.10.27 18:00:00 -
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I'm going to have to try this when I get home. Cerbs pot-shotting at 180km is annoying. Have to be real quick with the bookmark but hilarity could ensue.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:08:00 -
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To actually andswer the OP: It is because missiles are the only ammo which is an actual object in space. Railguns and projectiles do not actually send any actual items between the source and target due to the fact that they hit instantly, while missiles on the other hand, have a pretty slow travel time so are spawned as an actual object in space. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |

Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard To actually andswer the OP: It is because missiles are the only ammo which is an actual object in space. Railguns and projectiles do not actually send any actual items between the source and target due to the fact that they hit instantly, while missiles on the other hand, have a pretty slow travel time so are spawned as an actual object in space.
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Akiao Isrenth
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Posted - 2009.10.27 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Billy Sastard To actually andswer the OP: It is because missiles are the only ammo which is an actual object in space. Railguns and projectiles do not actually send any actual items between the source and target due to the fact that they hit instantly, while missiles on the other hand, have a pretty slow travel time so are spawned as an actual object in space.
Fail. A projectile is by definition an object projected toward the target.
The game itself would disagree with you. And I think he's talking about the game.
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Echo Degnar
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Echo Degnar on 27/10/2009 20:39:07 Edited by: Echo Degnar on 27/10/2009 20:36:48
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri Fail. A projectile is by definition an object projected toward the target.
Projectile n. 1. A fired, thrown, or otherwise propelled object, such as a bullet, having no capacity for self-propulsion. 2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
That said: An object in virtual space rendered and tracked by the EVE client resembles a physical object in the real world in name alone. Turrets in EVE do not fire objects. They consume ammunition and/or capacitor energy, influence calculations as part of a damage check, and (when the client feels like it) trigger aural and visual effects. The client does not render nor keep track of a physical projectile object.
Missiles, according to the OP, do. Allegedly, one is able to select and bookmark the object representing a missile.
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corvus acanum
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Posted - 2009.10.27 20:55:00 -
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the reason this is a disadvantage is that if you set a fleet up for sniping a missle ship can never join in because if it does then the whole fleet would be at risk to a close range fighter warping in right on top of them. As well as one of the biggest advantages to missles is range and the ability to fight at a distance but if they can warp right to you that advantage is gone.
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Dungheap
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.10.27 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: corvus acanum the reason this is a disadvantage is that if you set a fleet up for sniping a missle ship can never join in because if it does then the whole fleet would be at risk to a close range fighter warping in right on top of them. As well as one of the biggest advantages to missles is range and the ability to fight at a distance but if they can warp right to you that advantage is gone.
you have actually made a bookmark of a missile in flight? or just clicked one and had the context menu popup with that option? i'm pretty sure trying to bookmark it will just return a 'you cannot bookmark that from here'. ofc could be a new feature.. 
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corvus acanum
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Posted - 2009.10.27 21:44:00 -
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I will double check it sometime again but yes you can actually bookmark it
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Toxif
Minmatar First Slave Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.27 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: corvus acanum the reason this is a disadvantage is that if you set a fleet up for sniping a missle ship can never join in because if it does then the whole fleet would be at risk to a close range fighter warping in right on top of them.
As a previous poster already mentioned, the first wreck in your fleet will make you vulnerable. I doubt many people will deny a missile boat the opportunity to participate for the OP's reason; at any rate, if the FC is thinking on that level, he must already have thought up suitable countermeasures. ____________________________________________________________
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Achura Morachu
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Posted - 2009.10.28 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Degnar Edited by: Echo Degnar on 27/10/2009 20:39:07 Edited by: Echo Degnar on 27/10/2009 20:36:48
Projectile n. 1. A fired, thrown, or otherwise propelled object, such as a bullet, having no capacity for self-propulsion. 2. A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket.
That said: An object in virtual space rendered and tracked by the EVE client resembles a physical object in the real world in name alone. Turrets in EVE do not fire objects. They consume ammunition and/or capacitor energy, influence calculations as part of a damage check, and (when the client feels like it) trigger aural and visual effects. The client does not render nor keep track of a physical projectile object.
Missiles, according to the OP, do. Allegedly, one is able to select and bookmark the object representing a missile.
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Echo Degnar
Amarr Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.28 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Achura Morachu Suddenly nerds?
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Toxif
Minmatar First Slave Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.28 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Echo Degnar We play EVE Online. We're all nerds. 
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2009.10.28 08:02:00 -
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Can be a disadvantages and can be an advantage. Think twice
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.10.28 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: corvus acanum Why is it that missiles can be bookmarked no other form of ammunition is able to be bookmarked and this puts all missile ships at a huge disadvantage is there a reason CCP did this?
Not only can you bookmark them, but on mouseover you can see exactly what type of missile it is (if its a player missile).
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.10.28 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Interesting. But please explain, how is this "a huge disadvantage" ?
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Loco Eve
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.10.28 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Haramir Haleths Can be a disadvantages and can be an advantage. Think twice
no kidding, cerb pilot shoots guy ratting in belt. guy ratting in belt types in local "lol" thinking he's to far away to be of any danger. suddenly cerb pilot is right on top of ratter. ratter types in local "WTF" as he sees his ship go boom.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.28 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: corvus acanum Why is it that missiles can be bookmarked ...
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Xeris 7
Caldari I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.30 21:16:00 -
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So if missiles are these "objects" if one passes with in 2000m of you will it decloak you?
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Elora Danzik
Caldari Idiots In Spaceships Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.10.30 21:23:00 -
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Yes. it "should".
I did see someone's bio siad (paraphrase) you can't cloak because you are closer then 2000 meters to Wraith Crusie Missle.
So yeah.
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Kalitern Tarha
Caldari Faust Industries
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Posted - 2009.10.31 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xeris 7 So if missiles are these "objects" if one passes with in 2000m of you will it decloak you?
Yeah they'll decloak you which is slightly annoying when trying to setup close range warpins and ammo from your own side decloaks you  |

Sunbird Huy
Caldari WEPRA CORP
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Posted - 2009.11.01 00:05:00 -
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My friend shot a dread gurista spawn that way. The rat was running away at high speed, so he BM'd the torpedos the rat was shooting at him, and he just warped to sun behind the npc, then warped back and got right on top of rat. Web did the rest of job, along with his drones/ammo.
Nice trick, but works only in larger scale fights, or skirmishes that get drawn out due to speed tanking and such stuff.
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Sovereign Enterprise
Gallente Crimson Empire. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2009.11.01 10:18:00 -
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Yep, total godsend for fighting long-range (150km+) missile boats. I've only really used this on Sisi, as hardly anyone that I meet on TQ uses long-range sniper boats. But those POS sniper ravens are in excess on TQ it seems.
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:56:00 -
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I once managed to bookmark a projectile in space. RF EMP if i remember correctly.
You just have to be very fast with the rightklicks.
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Jekyl Eraser
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Posted - 2009.11.02 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akiba Penrose I once managed to bookmark a projectile in space. RF EMP if i remember correctly.
You just have to be very fast with the rightklicks.
I'm going to petition you, theres no way you click that fast without a macro!!
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