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Kitty McKitty Gallente The Kitty Kitty Corporation	Posted - 2009.10.28 11:27:00 - [1] At the risk of getting flamed . . . I am in a good size corp. We mine and make ships to make our way. We have been attacked by pirates many times and have even lost a few ships to them. We have also fought back many times and had some success. When we did fight back we did not do it alone. We would go and get a few corps to help us and we'd warp back to a blocaded system with 20-30 ships blow up a few of them and chase them off. These attacks ALL occured in 0.0 space. These trips into 0.0 space were almost always motivated by our need to mine high ends or to hunt the triple spawn BS pirates for rare loot. Go figure . . the rare minerals and loot have some risk attached to getting them. If you dont want to get attacked do one of these things: 1.) Dont go after bistot, just mine in a high security system and buy the mega with the money you make. 2.) Dont go after rare loot, just mine in low security systems and buy loot with the money you make. 3.) Go play a game where no one can attack you. 4.) Stay docked all the time I hate losing ships to pirates too. But I LOVE beating teh crap out of pirates. If you like excitement in the game then you shouldnt be complaining about pirates. If you DONT like excitement in the game then sit in 1.0 space and mine, sell mins, and buy that uber loot that youre too afraid to ever use. Now i know that every little carebear in the known universe is going to tell me what an ass I am, but I'm the same ass that tries to clear out pirates from known shipping lanes whenever I can, so that the carebear indy pilots dont end up going for unplanned pod rides. Lets just stop all the *****ing and whining, log back onto the Eve server, and play the damn game. Your complaints have been duly noted and disregarded. Fight on pirates! You're doing the battleship market good :) . . . .btw anyone want to buy a Scorpion . . .cheap . .. lo miles . . .power windows ?
Bucky O'Hair Minmatar Crimson Light Horse Brigade Crimen Lux Lucis Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.28 12:04:00 - [2] I like it... btw... can I see the 'Shipfax' on that Scorpion? Bucky "Let's Croak Some Toads"
Kage Toshimado GK inc.	Posted - 2009.10.28 13:08:00 - [3] True player. A person I wouldn't mind blowing up or dying to. He understands the point of the game isn't to moan all the time about game mechanics. Just get back up on the horse and have another go at it. Fly well m8. Originally by: Bucky O'Hair btw... can I see the 'Shipfax' on that Scorpion? I saw the report, the odomoter has light years on it...
oodin Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.10.28 13:44:00 - [4] you silly little kitten,pirates dont live in 0.0
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.10.28 13:47:00 - [5] Edited by: FlyinS on 28/10/2009 13:48:00 I love the forums. Carebears whining about pirates. Pirates whining about carebears. Carebears whining about carebears whining. Pirates whining about pirates whining. Carebears whining about pirates whining. Pirates whining about carebears whining. Did I miss any?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.28 14:16:00 - [6] Originally by: FlyinS Edited by: FlyinS on 28/10/2009 13:48:00 I love the forums. Carebears whining about pirates. Pirates whining about carebears. Carebears whining about carebears whining. Pirates whining about pirates whining. Carebears whining about pirates whining. Pirates whining about carebears whining. Did I miss any? You forgot nullsec jockeys whining that nobody else is relevant.
Malanius Mintat Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.28 14:18:00 - [7] Hey all, I am quite new to the game and a fully fledged carebear (for now at least). and being a carebear I personally have to agree with this post. The whole point of the rare ores and loot being in low and null sec is that it requires risk to obtain it. So why people complain when they get blown up is beyond me, you choose to go to low sec so deal with it. Now personally I haven't ventured into low sec yet but I know that when I eventually do I am bound to loose a ship every now and then or even get sent back to the clone vat. and when I do I'll suck it up, get a new ship and head back out to try and get my hands on the lucrative ores of low sec (gotta pay for those lost ships somehow right). This is EVE, pirates will get you eventually so people need to learn to live with it and move on. It is just a game after all.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.10.28 14:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Kitty McKitty 2.) Dont go after rare loot, just mine in low security systems and buy loot with the money you make. Lowsec is more dangerous than most 0.0... - Support DISBANDING the Alliance CCP Renamed at the Alliance's Request
GODS H4ND	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:05:00 - [9] Fight Crime: Shoot Back!
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2009.10.28 19:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Malanius Mintat Hey all, I am quite new to the game and a fully fledged carebear (for now at least). To be honest mate, if you are prepared to take a bit of risk, and not moan if you get your arse handed back to you, then you're not a carebear. You're a miner, or a trader, etc... I personally see carebears as those who will do anything to avoid even the slightest risk, and still cry when they become careless and get caught out by it. Just because you don't proactively combat-PvP doesn't make you a carebear. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Malanius Mintat Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.28 19:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Marchocias Originally by: Malanius Mintat Hey all, I am quite new to the game and a fully fledged carebear (for now at least). To be honest mate, if you are prepared to take a bit of risk, and not moan if you get your arse handed back to you, then you're not a carebear. You're a miner, or a trader, etc... I personally see carebears as those who will do anything to avoid even the slightest risk, and still cry when they become careless and get caught out by it. Just because you don't proactively combat-PvP doesn't make you a carebear. huh, fair enough. It seems there are a lot of definitions of carebears out there then, as I have been called one by a few people since I currently just mine and mission run. well, either way thanks for that info (so much to learn as a newb).
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.28 20:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Kitty McKitty At the risk of getting flamed . . . I am in a good size corp. We mine and make ships to make our way. We have been attacked by pirates many times and have even lost a few ships to them. We have also fought back many times and had some success. When we did fight back we did not do it alone. We would go and get a few corps to help us and we'd warp back to a blocaded system with 20-30 ships blow up a few of them and chase them off. These attacks ALL occured in 0.0 space. These trips into 0.0 space were almost always motivated by our need to mine high ends or to hunt the triple spawn BS pirates for rare loot. Go figure . . the rare minerals and loot have some risk attached to getting them. If you dont want to get attacked do one of these things: 1.) Dont go after bistot, just mine in a high security system and buy the mega with the money you make. 2.) Dont go after rare loot, just mine in low security systems and buy loot with the money you make. 3.) Go play a game where no one can attack you. 4.) Stay docked all the time I hate losing ships to pirates too. But I LOVE beating teh crap out of pirates. If you like excitement in the game then you shouldnt be complaining about pirates. If you DONT like excitement in the game then sit in 1.0 space and mine, sell mins, and buy that uber loot that youre too afraid to ever use. Now i know that every little carebear in the known universe is going to tell me what an ass I am, but I'm the same ass that tries to clear out pirates from known shipping lanes whenever I can, so that the carebear indy pilots dont end up going for unplanned pod rides. Lets just stop all the *****ing and whining, log back onto the Eve server, and play the damn game. Your complaints have been duly noted and disregarded. Fight on pirates! You're doing the battleship market good :) . . . .btw anyone want to buy a Scorpion . . .cheap . .. lo miles . . .power windows ? add a dash of tears here and there and its pure yum.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.10.29 01:03:00 - [13] Originally by: FlyinS Edited by: FlyinS on 28/10/2009 13:48:00 I love the forums. Carebears whining about pirates. Pirates whining about carebears. Carebears whining about carebears whining. Pirates whining about pirates whining. Carebears whining about pirates whining. Pirates whining about carebears whining. Did I miss any? People whining about other people whining. Oh wait, I just did that. Crap. This always happens ... I did it again.
Kimet Ethonise	Posted - 2009.10.29 11:08:00 - [14] Originally by: FlyinS Edited by: FlyinS on 28/10/2009 13:48:00 I love the forums. Carebears whining about pirates. Pirates whining about carebears. Carebears whining about carebears whining. Pirates whining about pirates whining. Carebears whining about pirates whining. Pirates whining about carebears whining. Did I miss any? How could you post a post about whining and NOT mention Ninja Salvaging?
Velocity Prime Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Kimet Ethonise Originally by: FlyinS Edited by: FlyinS on 28/10/2009 13:48:00 I love the forums. Carebears whining about pirates. Pirates whining about carebears. Carebears whining about carebears whining. Pirates whining about pirates whining. Carebears whining about pirates whining. Pirates whining about carebears whining. Did I miss any? How could you post a post about whining and NOT mention Ninja Salvaging? Because ninjas are all irrelavent bastards who should all be ban hammered. Ninjas are LAME! MY Lo0Tz!!! GAHHH!!!1!! VelociLogic.com
Stupid McStupidson Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker	Posted - 2009.10.29 15:41:00 - [16] Stop complaining about carebears you pirates! See what I did there? The old 'reversal' trick? Pretty good, huh?
Asuri Kinnes Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Kitty McKitty At the risk of getting flamed . . . If you dont want to get attacked do one of these things: 1.) Dont go after bistot, just mine in a high security system and buy the mega with the money you make. Mine A/B/C in WH's /profit /rinse /repeat.
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:56:00 - [18] Originally by: GODS H4ND Fight Crime: Shoot Back! Couldn't have said it better m'self. I hate pirates. They're the only ones who pod-kill, which is worse than unfair, IMHO. I don't mind loosing a ship or two, but there's a special place in the darkest pits of my heart for pod-killing pirates. Fantasy is fantasy; acting out what you wish you could do for real. Fantasize about flying; there are pilots. Fantasize about magic; science is catching up. Fantasize about killing people who're minding their own business just so you can get more scratch; only the police and cultural standards hold you back(some do it anyway). I fantasize about ruining and humiliating pirates, thieves, murderers and the like; and here, I can act it out. So, I return to EVE. Since the first day, when I was pod-killed halfway through the tutorial missions by a PC pirate, I have returned with a thirst for the blood of those who kill for dishonest profit. I do not complain about the two PKs since, but revel in the high of crushing the pirates and their colleagues and burning their wrecks. Still, I do not PK them; just loot the wrecks and turn their weapons against them. All the turrets I have, I pillaged from pirates. I have twelve ships. Two Iterons that can pull a million ISK in ore in one shot, and several other vessels that can extract a million ISK from the pirates that prowl the lanes in a single patrol run. I prefer the low-sec(not as much action in null-sec) and got ten million in one patrol haul of 123m3 last weekend; though, i was PK's ten minutes later, LOL. I love pirates. They're delicious.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.10.30 14:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer People whining about other people whining. Oh wait, I just did that. Crap. This always happens ... I did it again. See this one I baited. Because I knew I was doing it, but that someone else would about me doing it, hence doing it themselves. So we're in the same boat now! Originally by: Helicity Boson You forgot nullsec jockeys whining that nobody else is relevant. Good point, forgot that one.
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Violent Society	Posted - 2009.10.30 16:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Vissintock Edited by: Vissintock on 29/10/2009 22:27:22 Originally by: GODS H4ND Fight Crime: Shoot Back! Couldn't have said it better m'self. I hate pirates. They're the only ones who pod-kill, which is worse than unfair, IMHO. I don't mind loosing a ship or two, but there's a special place in the darkest pits of my heart for pod-killing pirates. Fantasy is fantasy; acting out what you wish you could do for real. Fantasize about flying; there are pilots. Fantasize about magic; science is catching up. Fantasize about killing people who're minding their own business just so you can get more scratch; only the police and cultural standards hold you back(some do it anyway). I fantasize about ruining and humiliating pirates, thieves, murderers and the like; and here, I can act it out. So, I return to EVE. Since the first day, when I was pod-killed halfway through the tutorial missions by a PC pirate, I have returned with a thirst for the blood of those who kill for dishonest profit. I do not complain about the two PKs since, but revel in the high of crushing the pirates and their colleagues and burning their wrecks. Still, I do not PK them; just loot the wrecks and turn their weapons against them. All the turrets I have, I pillaged from pirates. I have twelve ships. Two Iterons that can pull a million ISK in ore in one shot, and several other vessels that can extract a million ISK from the pirates that prowl the lanes in a single patrol run. Two thirds of that paid for courtesy of pirates and defective drones. . . And I've only been here two weeks! I prefer the low-sec, where there's more action but less likely to be PK'd. In null-sec, you're almost guaranteed a PK attempt, but there seems to be less action, until you start mining the rare ores claimed by local PCs. I got ten million in one patrol haul of 123m3 last weekend - though, i was PK'd ten minutes later, LOL. I love pirates. They're delicious. So, someone being a pirate in-game must translate to them being a sociopath in their everyday life? I've never claimed to be a pirate or labeled myself as such (some disagree, f***'m), but in my experience pirates are easily the most socially adept and diplomatic people you will come across in-game. I've rarely met a real pirate (I emphasize REAL!) that smacks or whines. A real pirate (which is a nearly dead profession and a microscopic percentage of the playerbase) needs to be diplomatic and resourceful just to get by anymore. "Harmless Carebears", on the other hand, are almost always the whiniest most bitter players you'll ever come across. Even any fleeting attempt to make them play the game according to anything other than their own perfect perception of game mechanics is met my smack and sweet, sweet tears. Seems to me the best way to keep yourself from dying by the hands of a pirate is a little more diplomacy and a little less hostility. After all, you're at their mercy. TL;DR version: U mad? Pirate = Jesus Carebear = Emo sociopath
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.11.01 23:19:00 - [21] Quote: So, someone being a pirate in-game must translate to them being a sociopath in their everyday life? I've never claimed to be a pirate or labeled myself as such (some disagree, f*'m), but in my experience pirates are easily the most socially adept and diplomatic people you will come across in-game. I've rarely met a real pirate (I emphasize REAL!) After reading yout post, I reread mine and can see how it comes across that way. Forgive me. I was tired, grumpy, I have the flu and I'm still ped at my car being broken into and looted. I did not mean EVE pirates are sociopaths. On the contrary: the fact that they come here to act out such fantasies makes them quite the opposite by finding a way to play it out in a harmless setting. If EVE weren't here, they'd just take up something else like model planes or knitting or something. I have yet to have a pirate respond to a mercy plea - mostly because I haven't asked, LOL - or offer one("Give me ISK and I'll stop shooting." kinda thing). That said, one needn't be a sociopath in RL, or even be one at core, to fantasize about harming others. In fact, the reason for minimum sentences is that many criminals who can and do eventually "walk the walk" loose the taste for it after maybe one or two instances and are willing to turn their life around. I figure most PC pirates are the kind of people in RL wouldn't hurt a fly and only want to be tough and think that crime is more glamorous than it is. If there were no Police in RL, these are the ones who would be outlaws and criminals at first, then go lawman in the end. All you have to do is look at the real "wild west" and see that most outlaws, who were actually rare themselves, rarely killed, and if they did they had cause(Like Jesse James) or were just shooting back. Most lawmen of the time(60-70%) had been outlaws and hired guns at some point and all were diplomatic(Billy the Kid could be placated with a fifth of whiskey). Most "lawmen" who hadn't been outlaws were either heartless and hard, or worse criminals than the outlaws. Not all RL pirates are sociopaths either. Captain Blood didn't have to become a pirate, but he became one of the more famous ones, and he definitely was NOT a sociopath. In fact his favorite munchies were British warships and other pirates; he usually left civilian ships alone. Save for the occasional rich haul and treasury ships, who usually had politically relevant passengers on board who were both good for ransom and part of the administration he so hated. I have lost three ships in the last 24 hours and have only been PK'd twice since I signed up 3 weeks ago - and the first time was an accident I think. I'm making almost as much in insurance returns as I was mining Pristine Jaspet(where I was PKed yesterday). Not one of those three encounters since my last post was a PK. I still hate pirates, because they by definition aren't playing fair. But I don't mind them because a) it's part of the game, b) gives me something more exciting than their NPC counterparts to shoot at and c) They carry awesome loot. . . Did I just say loot??. . . Wait, gasp does that make me a pirate? . . . Naaaah. I'm just a bounty hunter. . . And a lousy one at that - for now anyway. *Thrice I have destroyed trios of NPC pirates shooting at an unarmed miner. Not one of them switched target lock to me. Might as well have been shooting at asteroids.
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.11.01 23:36:00 - [22] I came to this game knowing that it was the digital-sci-fi equivalent of the old west. I don't expect fair play even if unfair play(like PKing) gets under my skin. I came to play; I came to play rough; I came to play "cowboys, Indians and prospectors"; I came to play out my wild west lawman fantasies. I got what I came for. My mistakes are my own, as are my triumphs. I fall, I learn, I get up and I keep going. Some are miners, some are lawmen, some are crooks, some are pirates and most do a little of everything. This is EVE. This world is ours. If you can't handle a game where other people shoot at you if you go where it is explicitly noted that you will be shot at, go play solitaire or something.
Jenni Falorgen Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.11.02 00:35:00 - [23] Today we made over 1b from ransoms. Yarr!
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.11.02 01:04:00 - [24] Edited by: Vissintock on 02/11/2009 01:05:01 Originally by: Jenni Falorgen Today we made over 1b from ransoms. Yarr! ?? 1b you say? Wow. Huh. . . Should I? . . >.> No. I will not cross over to the dark side. You should be worth a pretty penny in bounty. I'll keep my sights and gunports open for ya. But, be gentle, babe. . . I'm new to this.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.02 03:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Jenni Falorgen Today we made over 1b from ransoms. Yarr! The Bastards make it a point to accept ransoms (as long as its reasonable, and yes, we decide whats reasonable). Linky to the Ransom Board: http://the-bastards.com/ransom/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.02 04:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Vissintock I came to this game knowing that it was the digital-sci-fi equivalent of the old west. I don't expect fair play even if unfair play(like PKing) gets under my skin... Why do you think podding an opponent is "unfair"? There are several good reasons to kill someone's pod over and above the most fundamental one of it being fun. Eg: To get them out of local so they cant pass on intel or warn other targets To shut them up To inflict additional economic damage on them in order to weaken their resistance To deprive their corp/alliance of their help for the time they take to replace implants To reduce the numbers in local, helping with lag Too bad you were in smartbomb/bomb range (collateral damage)
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Vissintock I came to this game knowing that it was the digital-sci-fi equivalent of the old west. I don't expect fair play even if unfair play(like PKing) gets under my skin... Why do you think podding an opponent is "unfair"? There are several good reasons to kill someone's pod over and above the most fundamental one of it being fun. Eg: To get them out of local so they cant pass on intel or warn other targets To shut them up To inflict additional economic damage on them in order to weaken their resistance To deprive their corp/alliance of their help for the time they take to replace implants To reduce the numbers in local, helping with lag Too bad you were in smartbomb/bomb range (collateral damage) I agree with those reasons, but I'm not talking about those. Both times I've been PKed I was just mining; and not for some rare stuff either. I was just sitting there munching on some Plagioclase, and some dude pops out of warp, mashes my ship(Okay, sure, whatever), then, stops me from going to warp just so hie could pod kill me(WTF???). I wasn't doing anything to him, am not employed by any rival of his - never was - didn't get a chance to shoot back and have not killed any PCs either. It's like playing a paintball game and, not just painting a guy when he stops to take a leak, but shooting him in the nuts. Or a football player getting tackled by a rival while getting some Gatorade on the sidelines at halftime. Funny, sure. Against the rules? Nope. But, there's a difference between playing rough and just being a d4. I fully expect to be podded many, many times and for many good reasons. And, I'm not surprised at it(this is a FPS MMORPG after all) but pinning someone who's done you no wrong, cannot fight back AND pinning him again so you can pod him just makes you look elitist and dumb. Seriously dumb. And not necessarily in a "Get away from me you p5!" kind of way as much as a "LOL Wow. you are so paranoid. You need to lay off the caffeine dude." Seriously. It's like they think I'm going to stuff their 'roids in my hold and run off with them or something.
Glotto Juran	Posted - 2009.11.02 07:59:00 - [28] Spam warp to a planet or moon as you go into structure. Only way to get caught is by being too slow/afk or getting bubbled by a hic. You should warp to safety with several seconds to spare by mashing the button. Also, lol, at least mine the better of the low ends, plag is a pitiful ore.
Vissintock	Posted - 2009.11.02 08:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Glotto Juran Spam warp to a planet or moon as you go into structure. Only way to get caught is by being too slow/afk or getting bubbled by a hic. You should warp to safety with several seconds to spare by mashing the button. Also, lol, at least mine the better of the low ends, plag is a pitiful ore. Actually, I've been focusing on Golden Omber for a week and a half now. I was reaching for some pristine Jaspet in 0.4 space when I got PK'd. I haven't mined straight Plag since my third day, when I discovered Rich Plag. I've lost three ships and been PK'd once in that 0.4 system. Just tryin to see what I could make off of that Pristine stuff. . . That, and the fights are more educational as to proper fitting and what skills I need than the 'pedia is, to me anyway.
lucifers widow 3rd Kador lancers	Posted - 2009.11.02 14:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Vissintock I came to this game knowing that it was the digital-sci-fi equivalent of the old west. I don't expect fair play even if unfair play(like PKing) gets under my skin... Why do you think podding an opponent is "unfair"? There are several good reasons to kill someone's pod over and above the most fundamental one of it being fun. Eg: To get them out of local so they cant pass on intel or warn other targets To shut them up To inflict additional economic damage on them in order to weaken their resistance To deprive their corp/alliance of their help for the time they take to replace implants To reduce the numbers in local, helping with lag Too bad you were in smartbomb/bomb range (collateral damage) Or to send them straight back to their base where they can jump right back in a ship and come back to have it happen all over again !

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