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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:10:00 -
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I don't really want to start a new thread on the merits of the change that spawned hundreds of pages of responses, so I guess I'll try to be careful how I ask this question.
Putting aside the merits of the change....
Please, I'm really thinking about state of mind, here I understnd the point about promises that CCP made, marketing reasons, quirks of short interruptions of peoples ability to pay etc, which I can somewhat respect.
I did read a lot of the other thread but somehow I've got a feeling there's another subtext that I'm missing
First is outrage is limited to a very vocal 1% of the players ? I haven't seen many 200 page comments erupt like that ..
I can't really see how its really so practical to start and stop a subscription that so many players would do it. You can only have one major skill training (plus whatever you can fit in the 24 hours before that). Do I have that wrong, ?
The only really long skills I see are what it would take to fly a capital ship. Is it the capital ship issue that's the key to this whole thing?
Even there it looks like about 6 months of training with only one 60 day skill. Other than that biggie, you'd pretty much need to go on one month and off another, saving $45 dollars or so.
While $45 dollars is worth more to some people than other, the level of outrage seems out of place with other threads like Rmt and stuff, where most take ccps side, and progressing without playing is hardly the industry norm.
Is it all about Titans and any other ships that can't dock and does that pretty much bind a player to a ship for practical purposes, making people feel forced to pay for an alt account to access that part of the game and trying to minimize costs associated?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:19:00 -
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Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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DarkPhate Endovari
THE UNKNOWN KNOWN
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:26:00 -
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Also I want CCP to add monthly deposits of ISK into my wallet to reflect the money I would have made missioning/ratting if I was still paying.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:32:00 -
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Did I just invent a time machine? I did, didn't I. Damnit.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. Deja vu is annoying enough when it isn't happening every second of the day.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:36:00 -
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In retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have asked here.. I was just scratching my head.
How do I lock the thread?
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:37:00 -
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You cannot lock a thread. You have to face the consequences of your action!
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Buddy Revelle
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:38:00 -
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They should let you add 60 days worth of training to your charater instantly for every 60 day GTC you enter in, that way you can be only a month old and be able to fly all the big cool ships
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N Ano
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:42:00 -
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You dont. The ccp people do
Originally by: Blane Xero SoonÖ. Shortly AfterÖ Iceland Conquers the WorldÖ
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.28 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Horchan This a horrible thread and you are a horrible person.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:02:00 -
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At least you didn't call removing ghost training a "bug fix." That would have started a threadnought.
-- He said "The President is near."
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J'mee Leggs
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Horchan
Originally by: Horchan This a horrible thread and you are a horrible person.
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Caelum Mortuos
Gallente Zero G Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel At least you didn't call removing ghost training a "bug fix." That would have started a threadnought.
Removing ghost training was a bug fix.
Also - The past is calling, it wants it's whine back
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:40:00 -
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Quote: Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for.
In my view and obviously I'm almost always right, removing ghost training was a mistake. The reason I say this is because people like me who get bored and quit, suddenly remember 6 months down the line that we'd have finished training carrier V, so we pay subs to get back into game to try out our new uberness. There are cons too of course and I'm sure CCP ran some numbers before making the change.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder I'm sure CCP ran some numbers before making the change.
I LOL'd. -- He said "The President is near."
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:45:00 -
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If you can't afford to play, you can't afford to play.
It's that simple.
If you're out of work(like me) pay for EVE with isk(Like me).
Yes, it can be a lot, but it's the way it is. Hell, I pay for 4 accounts with isk. So can you.
Quit *****ing about Ghost training.
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R Ramjet
Virgin Galactica
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder people like me who get bored and quit, suddenly remember 6 months down the line that we'd have finished training carrier V, so we pay subs to get back into game to try out our new uberness.
This has been enough for me to reactivate both my accounts a couple of times now, after deciding I'd not go back
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Wiley Peterson
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:56:00 -
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I read those threads. It's interesting that most of the outrage came from multiple account holders. The way I see it, CCP was offering a free perk and an incentive to come back if you left. Multi-boxers took advantage of it and actually planned their queues around it. When the credit crunch happened, CCP started worrying about revenue, so took efforts to change the system. A lot of people were ****ed because they claimed it was a bug fix or caused imbalance, instead of just saying "sorry we can no longer offer free ghost training due to pressure to increase revenue." Of course if they said that, everyone would think CCP was failing as a business, creating a vicious cycle of players leaving.
Another thing I noticed, if you read between the lines, a lot of the multi-boxers were complaining about the fact they are "forced" to have multiple accounts to play in nullsec. This seems to be the real issue behind the outrage, but after the dust settled, no one wants to admit that it is a real issue. People are back to touting the benefits of multiple. I even read a thread were a player was congratulating herself because she convinced a newb to sign up for 3 accounts.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.10.28 23:58:00 -
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a little late for this bro.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.29 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for.
You should, according to CCP back when EVE came out.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.29 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Burnharder I'm sure CCP ran some numbers before making the change.
I LOL'd.
Well the truth is that is exactly what happened. They started running numbers to see what the players were training and it somehow came up that an overwhelming large portion of the cap fleet training was being done with ghost training. They would pay for an account with a gtc purchased with isk on the forums and train as much as they could for the month then they would set the longest level 5 skill they could and let the account lapse until it was finished then sub up again and repeat until the alt was flying the cap of choice. Apparently there were thousands of accounts doing this and the number was growing fast. So blame the playerbase for shooting themselves in the foot by abusing something ccp left in for courtesy towards players who might be called away for military duty or any number of reasons that made them cancel the account.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2009.10.29 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for.
This sounds logical, but what about all the people who've already gone and ghost trained? I know people that trained alts and set month long skills without paying for them. Some of them have gotten a year of training L5s in without paying for the character at all. Now we can't do the same, so we are at a disadvantage, shouldn't they take ALL skills ghost-trained away from current chars?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.29 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Originally by: Blane Xero Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for.
This sounds logical, but what about all the people who've already gone and ghost trained? I know people that trained alts and set month long skills without paying for them. Some of them have gotten a year of training L5s in without paying for the character at all. Now we can't do the same, so we are at a disadvantage, shouldn't they take ALL skills ghost-trained away from current chars?
How are you at a disadvantage? Are the sp earned with a paying account somehow less useable than the sp earned on a former ghost training account?
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.10.29 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov shouldn't they take ALL skills ghost-trained away from current chars?
If CCP cared enough to keep track of who trained what while the account is inactive, they would have just fixed it in the first place. May I remind you that the completed skill history in-game is only 20 skills long and post "fix"?
Second, it was listed as a feature in their player manual, so removing those skills would have been a bit much.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.10.29 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 29/10/2009 05:12:53
Originally by: Etien Aldragoran
Originally by: Blane Xero Because you should totally still be able to advance in a game you are not paying for.
You should, according to CCP back when EVE came out.
Actually, when EVE first came out it was acknowledged as a minor bug, much like jet can mining.
Then they decided "what the heck" and acknowledged it in the manual as an accepted part of the game, again, much like jet can mining.
Then it got out of control, and CCP announced they were fixing their bug.
This caused controversy because newer players had read in the "manual" that it was acceptable (some even going so far as to claim that the only reason they started playing EVE was because of this "feature").
This controversy led to CCP being called liars, and the any mention of their original stance was drown out by the mob.
CCP apologized for the misunderstanding. This, of course, was viewed as an admission of guilt and a sign of weakness... leading to the most whine filled thread-naught in EVE's long history of whine filled threads.
Their mistake was in accepting the bug and mentioning it in the manual. They should have quietly classified it as an "undocumented feature" and officially ignored it if they had the slightest thought that they might eventually have to deal with the issue.
People who are ignorant of history have no problem rewriting it to fit their personal agenda.
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.10.29 05:31:00 -
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Locked as user requested.
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