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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
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Not like either side is going to argue with battleship losses, if you want take time to PM each of them losses today and see if they are correct.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
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Not like either side is going to argue with battleship losses, if you want take time to PM each of them losses today and see if they are correct.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:27:00 -
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For an acurate glimpse into the kills of this war:
Compare THIS KILLBOARD
to
THIS KILLBOARD and....
You will reach nirvana (and be closer to the truth)
P.S. Patch, most of us made lots of ISK mining in BKG last night.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:27:00 -
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For an acurate glimpse into the kills of this war:
Compare THIS KILLBOARD
to
THIS KILLBOARD and....
You will reach nirvana (and be closer to the truth)
P.S. Patch, most of us made lots of ISK mining in BKG last night.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:45:47
Halseth if you look at our kills and your losses for tuesday. There are many missing losses on your killboard. For example you didnt put down the loss of St0rmbringer's apoc. In fact you are missing many losses on your board.
your board
our board
Now you can argue that we don't post all of our losses. I find losses on your board that we dont have. However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
So now tell me, where did those mails go? I wouldn't be able to believe that the honorable Phoenix Alliance makes up their own kills.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:45:47
Halseth if you look at our kills and your losses for tuesday. There are many missing losses on your killboard. For example you didnt put down the loss of St0rmbringer's apoc. In fact you are missing many losses on your board.
your board
our board
Now you can argue that we don't post all of our losses. I find losses on your board that we dont have. However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
So now tell me, where did those mails go? I wouldn't be able to believe that the honorable Phoenix Alliance makes up their own kills.
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 01:54:58
 Originally by: Caanan
In fact you are missing many losses on your board
that's why you should compare both killboards
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However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
killmails are under this icon, make sure your browser doesn't disable pop-ups
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 01:54:58
Originally by: Caanan
In fact you are missing many losses on your board
that's why you should compare both killboards
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However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
killmails are under this icon, make sure your browser doesn't disable pop-ups
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:56:23
Well I've clicked that icon and it doesnt show anything. It brings me back to the page I clicked it on.
If you look at the link properties under that image you'll see that its the same URL as the kill page for tuesday.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:56:23
Well I've clicked that icon and it doesnt show anything. It brings me back to the page I clicked it on.
If you look at the link properties under that image you'll see that its the same URL as the kill page for tuesday.
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:57:00 -
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your browser disables all pop-ups, if you have Netscape u must enable popups, Tools > Popup manager > enable popups from this site
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:57:00 -
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your browser disables all pop-ups, if you have Netscape u must enable popups, Tools > Popup manager > enable popups from this site
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:58:00 -
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All javascript popups have a link to the current page as link info. If you have popups and java script enabled, the kill mail should come up in a new window. 
And yeah, there's not much point whining about missing losses on either of the kill boards I think. It's human nature to be much more forthcoming with reporting your victories than your losses and it's insanely hard to circumvent that. But there's two boards, so just go to the PA board for BoB losses and vice versa and you shouldn't end up too far from the truth.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:58:00 -
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All javascript popups have a link to the current page as link info. If you have popups and java script enabled, the kill mail should come up in a new window.
And yeah, there's not much point whining about missing losses on either of the kill boards I think. It's human nature to be much more forthcoming with reporting your victories than your losses and it's insanely hard to circumvent that. But there's two boards, so just go to the PA board for BoB losses and vice versa and you shouldn't end up too far from the truth.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:09:00 -
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Well I got the popups to work. I use mozilla and/ or netscape 7 so they dont ever come up.
I have to agree with you that our killboards aren't both quite accurate.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:09:00 -
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Well I got the popups to work. I use mozilla and/ or netscape 7 so they dont ever come up.
I have to agree with you that our killboards aren't both quite accurate.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:24:00 -
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Neither kill board has full looses. You want bob's losses chances are PA board is best for it and vice-versa. The pointing out people have done about bob's losses being lower than they actually are is because bob make forum posts about stats and PA corp participation in the war. If that didn't happen then it's fine you don't post all losses, it's to be expected.
Plus bob consists of 4 corps, 4 corps are not the only enemey PA is fighting in venal, tenal and branch.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:24:00 -
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Neither kill board has full looses. You want bob's losses chances are PA board is best for it and vice-versa. The pointing out people have done about bob's losses being lower than they actually are is because bob make forum posts about stats and PA corp participation in the war. If that didn't happen then it's fine you don't post all losses, it's to be expected.
Plus bob consists of 4 corps, 4 corps are not the only enemey PA is fighting in venal, tenal and branch.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:25:00 -
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I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:25:00 -
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I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:33:00 -
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It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
The BoB kill board might not have been accurate to begin with but it is very close to accurate now. I know I accidentally deleted a kill mail where I lost a Maller last week, so I convoed the guys who I lost it to and had it sent to me - that is the kind of effort that goes into making our kill board accurate.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:33:00 -
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It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
The BoB kill board might not have been accurate to begin with but it is very close to accurate now. I know I accidentally deleted a kill mail where I lost a Maller last week, so I convoed the guys who I lost it to and had it sent to me - that is the kind of effort that goes into making our kill board accurate.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:47:49
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:45:12
Quote:
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it. -SweatySack
Sweaty, you dont trust US? 
Fact: FU backstabbed the PA when they decided to not only chuck our mutual protection pact (NAST) but to also declare war on the PA in one stroke. Shall I break out the noble chat log where FU are escorting an enemy (JF) and trying desperately in vain to get PA to fire on them so we would be the aggressor?
You pushed for this war?!?
Fact: You were one of the few NAST leaders who openly supported the PA when this war first started and complained to me about how the others had vetoed your desire to support your NAST allies. You are a political observer who plays what ever direction the wind is blowing.
Rewriting history didn't work for Jade and wont work for you so stop ****ing away what little credibility you have left with this kind of punk talk. And as for your "supperior PvP brag", stuff it. A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
Sincerely,
Halseth
P.S. I will get on stormbringers case about posting his deathmail. You tell sledgehammer to post his.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:47:49
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:45:12
Quote:
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it. -SweatySack
Sweaty, you dont trust US?
Fact: FU backstabbed the PA when they decided to not only chuck our mutual protection pact (NAST) but to also declare war on the PA in one stroke. Shall I break out the noble chat log where FU are escorting an enemy (JF) and trying desperately in vain to get PA to fire on them so we would be the aggressor?
You pushed for this war?!?
Fact: You were one of the few NAST leaders who openly supported the PA when this war first started and complained to me about how the others had vetoed your desire to support your NAST allies. You are a political observer who plays what ever direction the wind is blowing.
Rewriting history didn't work for Jade and wont work for you so stop ****ing away what little credibility you have left with this kind of punk talk. And as for your "supperior PvP brag", stuff it. A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
Sincerely,
Halseth
P.S. I will get on stormbringers case about posting his deathmail. You tell sledgehammer to post his.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
Oh, you can post it yourself... you only had to ask for the killmail
2004.11.01 22:16:00
Victim: Captain Fringe
Corporation: Black Nova Corp
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: VG-6CH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Lene Jones (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I
Name: Kronarty
Security Status: 4.1
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Bjugiz
Security Status: 5.0
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Hellek
Security Status: 2.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Chris Henry
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: CyberDyne Industries
Ship Type: Moa
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 25
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 3
Type: Ultraviolet L (Cargo)
Quantity: 2
Type: Large Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Heat Sink II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Capacitor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Fitted - Medium slot)
Quantity: 4
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Shock ¦Limos¦ Siege Missile Bay I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 16
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Cargo)
Quantity: 6
Type: Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 26
Type: 1600mm Reinforced Crystaline Carbonide Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
Oh, you can post it yourself... you only had to ask for the killmail
2004.11.01 22:16:00
Victim: Captain Fringe
Corporation: Black Nova Corp
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: VG-6CH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Lene Jones (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I
Name: Kronarty
Security Status: 4.1
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Bjugiz
Security Status: 5.0
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Hellek
Security Status: 2.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Chris Henry
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: CyberDyne Industries
Ship Type: Moa
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 25
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 3
Type: Ultraviolet L (Cargo)
Quantity: 2
Type: Large Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Heat Sink II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Capacitor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Fitted - Medium slot)
Quantity: 4
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Shock ¦Limos¦ Siege Missile Bay I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 16
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Cargo)
Quantity: 6
Type: Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 26
Type: 1600mm Reinforced Crystaline Carbonide Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 07:10:31
Originally by: SweatySack
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Well, let's just say I find it strange that the BoB killboard always fails to show those downed BS that would put PA ahead in kills.
Example, this monday and tuesday.
Your "score" for the day showed 7-7 and 14-13 when it should be 7-8 and 14-15.
Now if I want to be evil I could think you guys only post so much and when the day has been bad or not as good as you hoped you settle for an equal kill/loss ratio and let the day's stats get "lost" out of the homepage.
But that is only if I want to be evil, I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this coincidence.
So stop pretending your killboard is perfect because it isn't, ours isn't. Smartest thing to do is to take a look at the kills in both boards and that is what happens here.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 07:10:31
Originally by: SweatySack
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Well, let's just say I find it strange that the BoB killboard always fails to show those downed BS that would put PA ahead in kills.
Example, this monday and tuesday.
Your "score" for the day showed 7-7 and 14-13 when it should be 7-8 and 14-15.
Now if I want to be evil I could think you guys only post so much and when the day has been bad or not as good as you hoped you settle for an equal kill/loss ratio and let the day's stats get "lost" out of the homepage.
But that is only if I want to be evil, I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this coincidence.
So stop pretending your killboard is perfect because it isn't, ours isn't. Smartest thing to do is to take a look at the kills in both boards and that is what happens here.
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