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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:06:00 -
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For some time the PA has been at war with an alliance now know as ôBobö and for just as long a time weÆve all watched on theses forums the arguments and insults as they are tossed back and forth. I thought I would take this opportunity to post a summery of the situation in venal.
First thing first, IÆm posting under and alt, IÆd post under my main but IÆm not going to be the first target in a fleet battle and IÆm not going to be called a turn coat if something I say rubs someone the wrong way. I want to put the facts out there as much as possible so IÆm tossing aside my name and reputation, I understand that some will automatically disregard what I have to say because of it but I hope that most of you will be able to read this for what it is.
Life in Venal and Branch goes something like this; PA members own most of the offices and have greater numbers most of the time. But when it comes to PvP experience the PA has the weaker position. Among itÆs ranks are a large number of good PvPers that are willing to fight but Bob is here to PvP and thatÆs it. They donÆt have mining ops, they donÆt NPC hunt (there are exceptions but IÆd say 90% of their time is hunting players) and as such are able to roam around looking for targets rather than defend their own soft targets.
The majority of the PA membership has split into two groups, one that logs on each day and looks to join the nearest gang, and the other that logs on willing to join a gang and fight but looking to mine or NPC if they can.
Over the last few months PA members have become quite adept at avoiding Bob when their gank squads come by, H-PA, P-V, and 6NJ are all home to people whom mine and NPC everyday but have an extensive list of safe spots.
Does this speak badly about them? Yes and no. Depends on your situation. If you look upon Eve as a space battle sim then youÆre sure to look down on these actions, but if you see eve as an economic and political sim then youÆll see the advantages to staying alive. No mater how you look at it these pilots are staying alive.
Large fleet battles arenÆt happening like they did at the beginning of the war for a number of reasons; many of them are because of game mechanics. 9 time out of 10 if one side significantly outnumbers the other the smaller side will safespot and wait it out, this goes for both PA and Bob, itÆs a simple numbers game most of the time. If the numbers are even a lot more depends on the situation, most of the time both will set at a safe spot and have their frigs try to find an easy gank, if they get one they all jump in and out to get the kill then get safe.
Bob will lead in kills most of the time because they have groups of 2-10 pilots moving around trying to kill indys or solo PA members mining, NPCing or just trying to move around, after months of war these kills are low over all but still number a dozen or so a day.
IÆm sure these tactics arenÆt limited to the PA/Bob but I thought IÆd explain them.
So the future of the northern systems? Unknown. The PA member ship is devoted and long standing. The departure of RONA and CE was taken rather hard even if it was expected. They have been talking about going for a long time but would put it off till later because they where needed at the moment. A lot of people where sad to see them go.
The PA membership is still committed to their space but the said truth is they canÆt secure it. This isnÆt necessarily a negative mark on them but I would say a negative mark on the game, something that Shiva will improve on but not fix. People can set in safe spots till you log off for the night then do what ever they want so unless you have a strong member ship all the time to bore them out of your space they will do as they wish.
This is the exact reason why Bob hasnÆt won, they may have the longer PvP resume but they canÆt force a fight if another pilot doesnÆt want to and most members of the PA have the skills to avoid a fight unless they know they can win.
For the time being Venal will stay hostile no mater who you are, PA, Bob and neutral alike will have someone shooting at them.
WeÆll all find out how this ends over the next month.
And let me save the mods some time, please be nice I'm
interested in conversation, not smack.
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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:06:00 -
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For some time the PA has been at war with an alliance now know as ôBobö and for just as long a time weÆve all watched on theses forums the arguments and insults as they are tossed back and forth. I thought I would take this opportunity to post a summery of the situation in venal.
First thing first, IÆm posting under and alt, IÆd post under my main but IÆm not going to be the first target in a fleet battle and IÆm not going to be called a turn coat if something I say rubs someone the wrong way. I want to put the facts out there as much as possible so IÆm tossing aside my name and reputation, I understand that some will automatically disregard what I have to say because of it but I hope that most of you will be able to read this for what it is.
Life in Venal and Branch goes something like this; PA members own most of the offices and have greater numbers most of the time. But when it comes to PvP experience the PA has the weaker position. Among itÆs ranks are a large number of good PvPers that are willing to fight but Bob is here to PvP and thatÆs it. They donÆt have mining ops, they donÆt NPC hunt (there are exceptions but IÆd say 90% of their time is hunting players) and as such are able to roam around looking for targets rather than defend their own soft targets.
The majority of the PA membership has split into two groups, one that logs on each day and looks to join the nearest gang, and the other that logs on willing to join a gang and fight but looking to mine or NPC if they can.
Over the last few months PA members have become quite adept at avoiding Bob when their gank squads come by, H-PA, P-V, and 6NJ are all home to people whom mine and NPC everyday but have an extensive list of safe spots.
Does this speak badly about them? Yes and no. Depends on your situation. If you look upon Eve as a space battle sim then youÆre sure to look down on these actions, but if you see eve as an economic and political sim then youÆll see the advantages to staying alive. No mater how you look at it these pilots are staying alive.
Large fleet battles arenÆt happening like they did at the beginning of the war for a number of reasons; many of them are because of game mechanics. 9 time out of 10 if one side significantly outnumbers the other the smaller side will safespot and wait it out, this goes for both PA and Bob, itÆs a simple numbers game most of the time. If the numbers are even a lot more depends on the situation, most of the time both will set at a safe spot and have their frigs try to find an easy gank, if they get one they all jump in and out to get the kill then get safe.
Bob will lead in kills most of the time because they have groups of 2-10 pilots moving around trying to kill indys or solo PA members mining, NPCing or just trying to move around, after months of war these kills are low over all but still number a dozen or so a day.
IÆm sure these tactics arenÆt limited to the PA/Bob but I thought IÆd explain them.
So the future of the northern systems? Unknown. The PA member ship is devoted and long standing. The departure of RONA and CE was taken rather hard even if it was expected. They have been talking about going for a long time but would put it off till later because they where needed at the moment. A lot of people where sad to see them go.
The PA membership is still committed to their space but the said truth is they canÆt secure it. This isnÆt necessarily a negative mark on them but I would say a negative mark on the game, something that Shiva will improve on but not fix. People can set in safe spots till you log off for the night then do what ever they want so unless you have a strong member ship all the time to bore them out of your space they will do as they wish.
This is the exact reason why Bob hasnÆt won, they may have the longer PvP resume but they canÆt force a fight if another pilot doesnÆt want to and most members of the PA have the skills to avoid a fight unless they know they can win.
For the time being Venal will stay hostile no mater who you are, PA, Bob and neutral alike will have someone shooting at them.
WeÆll all find out how this ends over the next month.
And let me save the mods some time, please be nice I'm
interested in conversation, not smack.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:34:00 -
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so who is going to have a harder time without safespots in exodus? those who fight to live, or those who live to fight?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:34:00 -
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so who is going to have a harder time without safespots in exodus? those who fight to live, or those who live to fight?
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
"Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:52:00 -
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Pretty damn accurate though I'm not sure about PA having greater numbers most of the time. Its been pretty hard to find targets around the PA home systems.
As for who will be better off in Shiva its hard to say. I'd guess shiva will help those who fight to live, more than those who live to fight. POS will bring back the economic penalty that was taken away with the introduction of insurance.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:52:00 -
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Pretty damn accurate though I'm not sure about PA having greater numbers most of the time. Its been pretty hard to find targets around the PA home systems.
As for who will be better off in Shiva its hard to say. I'd guess shiva will help those who fight to live, more than those who live to fight. POS will bring back the economic penalty that was taken away with the introduction of insurance.
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Zeus
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:54:00 -
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Good post, accurate in most respects.
Although from my point of view pa no longer outnumbers us like they did and branch spends 85% of the time under BoB control I will comment no further.
Poster gets my respect even though its a alt. 
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Zeus
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:54:00 -
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Good post, accurate in most respects.
Although from my point of view pa no longer outnumbers us like they did and branch spends 85% of the time under BoB control I will comment no further.
Poster gets my respect even though its a alt.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 05:55:00 -
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Id say that was an accurate post exept for PA holding more numbers.
At any rate, is PA as an alliance ready to submit itself to a life of "duck and cover?" I know you can look at the map, you ss when we are 7 jumps away. But do you also notice the massive and numerous blobs spread accross other regions like deklein/fountain/cloud ring/the various curse and stain regions?
The rest of eve are busy mining like there is no tomorrow, just imagine what it must feel like to mine with more then 5 or 6 people and 2 haulers...and not even think twice about getting attacked. LOL just think the only thing you would have to worry about is how to split the ore between 8 people?  . Christ NSA and RONA all have web calculators and what not dedicated to that.
You are wasting your time "trying" to npc hunt and "trying" to mine. Is this the existance they promised you? kill some guristas...while watching map...oh ****, blob in 9-2.....SAFEPOT GUYS THEY COULD BE 1 JUMP OUT!!!!! you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....if it were up to me id leave you guys alone until shiva came so we would have 100 POS to blow up. Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 05:55:00 -
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Id say that was an accurate post exept for PA holding more numbers.
At any rate, is PA as an alliance ready to submit itself to a life of "duck and cover?" I know you can look at the map, you ss when we are 7 jumps away. But do you also notice the massive and numerous blobs spread accross other regions like deklein/fountain/cloud ring/the various curse and stain regions?
The rest of eve are busy mining like there is no tomorrow, just imagine what it must feel like to mine with more then 5 or 6 people and 2 haulers...and not even think twice about getting attacked. LOL just think the only thing you would have to worry about is how to split the ore between 8 people? . Christ NSA and RONA all have web calculators and what not dedicated to that.
You are wasting your time "trying" to npc hunt and "trying" to mine. Is this the existance they promised you? kill some guristas...while watching map...oh ****, blob in 9-2.....SAFEPOT GUYS THEY COULD BE 1 JUMP OUT!!!!! you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....if it were up to me id leave you guys alone until shiva came so we would have 100 POS to blow up. Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 06:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 07:57:00 -
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Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 07:57:00 -
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Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Interesting points, I'm not up to date on current events out there.
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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Interesting points, I'm not up to date on current events out there.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
1. Surely not, even we knew they would leave 'if this war goes on any longer'
6. Well done but it hardly happens very often tho
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
1. Surely not, even we knew they would leave 'if this war goes on any longer'
6. Well done but it hardly happens very often tho
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:45:00 -
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We all play this game to have fun, if PA corporations or individuals are not having fun then by all means leave PA or your corp and have fun somewhere else.
If Evolution teaches you anything it is that we can be very patient and very swift depending on the situation. If you want to change your situation, who is going to stop you and why should you listen?
I don't blame PA corporations that want to leave or are thinking about leaving.
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:45:00 -
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We all play this game to have fun, if PA corporations or individuals are not having fun then by all means leave PA or your corp and have fun somewhere else.
If Evolution teaches you anything it is that we can be very patient and very swift depending on the situation. If you want to change your situation, who is going to stop you and why should you listen?
I don't blame PA corporations that want to leave or are thinking about leaving.
This is not a hijack
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 02/11/2004 14:31:31
Good post, but I dont think PA really holds any numerical superiority now, certainly not lately.
And worrying about being called as first target or worried someone will flame you if you post as your main? so what man! who gives a flying ****, I dont ive never used an alt, no matter how retarded my post is. If people dont like me its their loss.
I respect people more if they have the courage of their own convictions Never hurts to be heard as yourself.
Sass
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 02/11/2004 14:31:31
Good post, but I dont think PA really holds any numerical superiority now, certainly not lately.
And worrying about being called as first target or worried someone will flame you if you post as your main? so what man! who gives a flying ****, I dont ive never used an alt, no matter how retarded my post is. If people dont like me its their loss.
I respect people more if they have the courage of their own convictions Never hurts to be heard as yourself.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:33:00 -
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No flamming what the hell ? This post sucks 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:33:00 -
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No flamming what the hell ? This post sucks
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Those new EVOL sigs aren't as cool as the old one but they are funny.
And a target for copyright infringement dudes
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Those new EVOL sigs aren't as cool as the old one but they are funny.
And a target for copyright infringement dudes
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Let's just show off the new siggyline then Sutty
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Let's just show off the new siggyline then Sutty
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:43:00 -
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PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:43:00 -
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PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:45:00 -
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Got some screenshots of your teamspeak, seems most of you are in Empire mining channel 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:45:00 -
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Got some screenshots of your teamspeak, seems most of you are in Empire mining channel
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Flatliner
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:55:00 -
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Pretty accurate, good post.
They do need to fix the logging on/off tho.
Keeping logged off ships in space, will fix this problem making stations more viable to own or guard.
Flatliner.
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Flatliner
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:55:00 -
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Pretty accurate, good post.
They do need to fix the logging on/off tho.
Keeping logged off ships in space, will fix this problem making stations more viable to own or guard.
Flatliner.
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AsaR
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:06:00 -
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good post.
new sig
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AsaR
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:06:00 -
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good post.
new sig
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Obidios
PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
This is true 
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Obidios
PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
This is true
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:25:00 -
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As soon as all modules start going offline when joo log in space and viable means of hunting down safespots are in game.. it wil become clear who owns the north.
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:25:00 -
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As soon as all modules start going offline when joo log in space and viable means of hunting down safespots are in game.. it wil become clear who owns the north.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.11.02 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.11.02 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Agnoius
you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Not trying to start something here but so do you sometimes...
A pretty good summary btw. You can tell because it has not
yet been flamed to h3ll and back. 
Regards,
LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Lowa
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Posted - 2004.11.02 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Agnoius
you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Not trying to start something here but so do you sometimes...
A pretty good summary btw. You can tell because it has not
yet been flamed to h3ll and back.
Regards,
LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.02 17:16:00 -
[45]
I AINT GETTING ON NO PLANE FOO
ps: my sig rocks the evol line's world
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.02 17:16:00 -
[46]
I AINT GETTING ON NO PLANE FOO
ps: my sig rocks the evol line's world
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 17:16:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
I dont think that post has a hint of complaining when you log on, you log on when you do, as do I. The fact of the matter is in the manner in which you do it.
0:00 eve time, persephanie and 1 or 3 others smacks the **** out of local. After being silent all day.
1:00 eve time- you and others log on then log off at different times. Testing the waters.
2:00 smack talk in local goes up by 400% by the resident safespot guarders.
3:00 20 PA log on and if not in bkg head to bkg to hump the station.
3:00-6:00 you guys smack local and rename the station insulting pilots, which the GMs care nothing about.
Then you all log off en mass and repeat.
P.S When I say testing the waters I mean check to see if we have a fleet waiting for you, if we do you guys never log on and play some other game. Really it's quite sad.
As far as blowing POS up how are you going to do that? First you'd have to come out of your safespot, second BoB would have to build one and third you'd have to actually grow a brain. All of which have a 0% chance of happening.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 17:16:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
I dont think that post has a hint of complaining when you log on, you log on when you do, as do I. The fact of the matter is in the manner in which you do it.
0:00 eve time, persephanie and 1 or 3 others smacks the **** out of local. After being silent all day.
1:00 eve time- you and others log on then log off at different times. Testing the waters.
2:00 smack talk in local goes up by 400% by the resident safespot guarders.
3:00 20 PA log on and if not in bkg head to bkg to hump the station.
3:00-6:00 you guys smack local and rename the station insulting pilots, which the GMs care nothing about.
Then you all log off en mass and repeat.
P.S When I say testing the waters I mean check to see if we have a fleet waiting for you, if we do you guys never log on and play some other game. Really it's quite sad.
As far as blowing POS up how are you going to do that? First you'd have to come out of your safespot, second BoB would have to build one and third you'd have to actually grow a brain. All of which have a 0% chance of happening.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:11:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
A very valid question, Faramir. The Branch region has been the epicenter of conflict during this and the previous evol/PA war. I think most people acknowlege its value as a region worth fighting for with its decent minerals and almost complete remoteness from the rest of the galaxy. It is an ideal location to start an alliance or even build an empire.
And here with the Amarrian god as my witness, I conceide that Evol has done a hell of a job securing the region for themselves and their satelite corps. Evol made a bee-line for the BKG system the day PCSs came out (day 1 of the first evol/PA war) and are still entrenched in battle in that system. I must admit I admire that level of dedication to "long term resolve". Most PvP corps cant keep a focus on a cause for more than 2-3 months. But then again, most PvP corps aren't trying to build an empire.
Back to Branch, it's hard accept your valid observations from the many points of view within the PA. Why? because the PA itself encompasses all time zones and has dedicated fighters on at all times of the day. This is one of the benefits to maintaining an alliance. It would be unfair to all of the PA to do something as drastic as concieding the claim to an entire region because it is controled by another on their strongest hours of the day. For example:
I live in America and I have a job. When I log in to play eve, I am 90% of the time in the Branch region. I form-up with the fleet I am attached to and if we havent taken the BKG station from Evolution yet, we usually do so very soon afterwards. (this is usually our only chance for fleet combat) Patrols throughout Branch and Tenal yeild 2-4 kills a night with rare losses. PA mining in the BKG system is usually unfettered with the exception of an occasional BoB inty that pops a can or two. We take the other stations in Branch if we need something out of them and NPC when we feel like it. On occasion, BoB forces at this time will put up a fight for a gank if our forces spread too thin.
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With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space? -faramir
As you can see this question you ask can also be asked by a large chunk of the PA as well and would make regional concession unfair and hard to swallow for many people who do not see much loss of control. Now this is no-ones "fault", or "pwnage" or any of that crap. It is simply an unfortunate byproduct of a simgular-universe game that is played on 2 continents. Other than coming to a mutual agreement over ownership and control or one side packing their bags and moving to the other side of the pond, there unfortunately really isn't much else we can do about it.
Pardon my rambling, I havent had my coffee yet, and I hope I have answered the questions posed.
-Halseth
P.S. With the exception to a few, this post has been suprisingly smack-free. Lets keep this mature discussion up for as long as we can.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:11:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
A very valid question, Faramir. The Branch region has been the epicenter of conflict during this and the previous evol/PA war. I think most people acknowlege its value as a region worth fighting for with its decent minerals and almost complete remoteness from the rest of the galaxy. It is an ideal location to start an alliance or even build an empire.
And here with the Amarrian god as my witness, I conceide that Evol has done a hell of a job securing the region for themselves and their satelite corps. Evol made a bee-line for the BKG system the day PCSs came out (day 1 of the first evol/PA war) and are still entrenched in battle in that system. I must admit I admire that level of dedication to "long term resolve". Most PvP corps cant keep a focus on a cause for more than 2-3 months. But then again, most PvP corps aren't trying to build an empire.
Back to Branch, it's hard accept your valid observations from the many points of view within the PA. Why? because the PA itself encompasses all time zones and has dedicated fighters on at all times of the day. This is one of the benefits to maintaining an alliance. It would be unfair to all of the PA to do something as drastic as concieding the claim to an entire region because it is controled by another on their strongest hours of the day. For example:
I live in America and I have a job. When I log in to play eve, I am 90% of the time in the Branch region. I form-up with the fleet I am attached to and if we havent taken the BKG station from Evolution yet, we usually do so very soon afterwards. (this is usually our only chance for fleet combat) Patrols throughout Branch and Tenal yeild 2-4 kills a night with rare losses. PA mining in the BKG system is usually unfettered with the exception of an occasional BoB inty that pops a can or two. We take the other stations in Branch if we need something out of them and NPC when we feel like it. On occasion, BoB forces at this time will put up a fight for a gank if our forces spread too thin.
Quote:
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space? -faramir
As you can see this question you ask can also be asked by a large chunk of the PA as well and would make regional concession unfair and hard to swallow for many people who do not see much loss of control. Now this is no-ones "fault", or "pwnage" or any of that crap. It is simply an unfortunate byproduct of a simgular-universe game that is played on 2 continents. Other than coming to a mutual agreement over ownership and control or one side packing their bags and moving to the other side of the pond, there unfortunately really isn't much else we can do about it.
Pardon my rambling, I havent had my coffee yet, and I hope I have answered the questions posed.
-Halseth
P.S. With the exception to a few, this post has been suprisingly smack-free. Lets keep this mature discussion up for as long as we can.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Bizarre
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:12:00 -
[51]
Is this where we show off our new sigs?
Nice post 
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Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
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Bizarre
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:12:00 -
[52]
Is this where we show off our new sigs?
Nice post
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Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:33:00 -
[53]
Sigs are teh sex 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:33:00 -
[54]
Sigs are teh sex
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:35:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 18:48:57
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
I dont think that post has a hint of complaining when you log on, you log on when you do, as do I. The fact of the matter is in the manner in which you do it.
0:00 eve time, persephanie and 1 or 3 others smacks the **** out of local. After being silent all day.
1:00 eve time- you and others log on then log off at different times. Testing the waters.
2:00 smack talk in local goes up by 400% by the resident safespot guarders.
3:00 20 PA log on and if not in bkg head to bkg to hump the station.
3:00-6:00 you guys smack local and rename the station insulting pilots, which the GMs care nothing about.
Then you all log off en mass and repeat.
P.S When I say testing the waters I mean check to see if we have a fleet waiting for you, if we do you guys never log on and play some other game. Really it's quite sad.
As far as blowing POS up how are you going to do that? First you'd have to come out of your safespot, second BoB would have to build one and third you'd have to actually grow a brain. All of which have a 0% chance of happening.
There you go complaining again... I really don't need to explain my self, but sometimes I log on during the day to check my skills from work. And you keep track of it? Maybe because you're scared?
The fact of the matter is we are not doing anything against EULA as GM's told you. So if you don't like it noone is asking you to be in the same system we're in. EVE space is huge I am sure you can find somewhere else to be.
As far as smacktalk goes we all know who started the smacktalk. We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
So why don't you quit whinning and play the dam game or get out of our space... noob!
I really don't understand what it is with you. All you do is complain, like some carebear corp... wait you're BNC that's right.
Did you ever see us complain about Evol keeping their characters logged in over night to keep us thinking they have more numbers? No! Because we deal with it. And to complain about it would be stupid.
I got another one... you are part of BoB right? You are the agressor we are the defenders. Yet you complain?
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:35:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 18:48:57
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
I dont think that post has a hint of complaining when you log on, you log on when you do, as do I. The fact of the matter is in the manner in which you do it.
0:00 eve time, persephanie and 1 or 3 others smacks the **** out of local. After being silent all day.
1:00 eve time- you and others log on then log off at different times. Testing the waters.
2:00 smack talk in local goes up by 400% by the resident safespot guarders.
3:00 20 PA log on and if not in bkg head to bkg to hump the station.
3:00-6:00 you guys smack local and rename the station insulting pilots, which the GMs care nothing about.
Then you all log off en mass and repeat.
P.S When I say testing the waters I mean check to see if we have a fleet waiting for you, if we do you guys never log on and play some other game. Really it's quite sad.
As far as blowing POS up how are you going to do that? First you'd have to come out of your safespot, second BoB would have to build one and third you'd have to actually grow a brain. All of which have a 0% chance of happening.
There you go complaining again... I really don't need to explain my self, but sometimes I log on during the day to check my skills from work. And you keep track of it? Maybe because you're scared?
The fact of the matter is we are not doing anything against EULA as GM's told you. So if you don't like it noone is asking you to be in the same system we're in. EVE space is huge I am sure you can find somewhere else to be.
As far as smacktalk goes we all know who started the smacktalk. We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
So why don't you quit whinning and play the dam game or get out of our space... noob!
I really don't understand what it is with you. All you do is complain, like some carebear corp... wait you're BNC that's right.
Did you ever see us complain about Evol keeping their characters logged in over night to keep us thinking they have more numbers? No! Because we deal with it. And to complain about it would be stupid.
I got another one... you are part of BoB right? You are the agressor we are the defenders. Yet you complain?
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:45:00 -
[57]
The original post by Uther was commenting on naming the station something inappropriate and insulting an individual BNC member.
As for smack, the only smack I have ever heard in local from members of the PA are from GODS.
Somehow I think you've gotten some things mixed up Presidios.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:45:00 -
[58]
The original post by Uther was commenting on naming the station something inappropriate and insulting an individual BNC member.
As for smack, the only smack I have ever heard in local from members of the PA are from GODS.
Somehow I think you've gotten some things mixed up Presidios.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:52:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 19:16:11
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
As for smack, the only smack I have ever heard in local from members of the PA are from GODS.
Yet we get smacktalk from all the corps of the BoB including BNC and their slaves... Rougneck etc....
What really makes me laugh is that a members of BoB is complaining about smacktalk. You are in the same alliance with H. Erectus, hello?
Blacklight, get your noobs educated.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:52:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 19:16:11
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
As for smack, the only smack I have ever heard in local from members of the PA are from GODS.
Yet we get smacktalk from all the corps of the BoB including BNC and their slaves... Rougneck etc....
What really makes me laugh is that a members of BoB is complaining about smacktalk. You are in the same alliance with H. Erectus, hello?
Blacklight, get your noobs educated.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:54:00 -
[61]
Originally by: sutty
Sigs are teh sex
mines still better
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:54:00 -
[62]
Originally by: sutty
Sigs are teh sex
mines still better
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:56:00 -
[63]
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 18:56:00 -
[64]
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:10:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Hashi Lebwohl
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:16:00 -
[67]
The advantage of Branch (and BKG in particular) was that the reprocessing centre was located amongst better ores, unlike Tenal's one. With Shiva, the importance of BKG as a reprocessing centre will diminish, as we will be able to utilise POS and therefore for the first time be able to expand into Tenal. Of course, no expansion utilising POS is going to be tenable until the war in the North is resolved one way or another.
Having sat in BKG for two months at the beginning of this conflict I have no love for that place. It is correct that Evolution controls Branch most of the European playing time. It is therefore problematic to any resolution that most of the more vocal leaders of the PA are North American, and in their main Eve playing time Evolution's control of Branch is lacking in numbers. It is a pity that you cannot divide a territory up on a time basis rather than just a geographical one.
In the past six months, I have argued, within Oberon, that if the price for ending this current conflict is acknowledging Evolution's control of Branch, then so be it, as long as certain routes remain open (e.g. QHJ to V7-MID). I had heard that early in the conflict such an offer was made with the rider that a statement of apology needed to be published on these forums admitting defeat. The chances of a statement being made by a leader of the PA is as close to zero as its possible to get. The insistence on any statement, on either side, will kill any negotiated settlement dead.
Evolution's attacked on the FA has caused me to doubt my belief that a negotiated end will be possible. I still cannot believe what Evolution did to their friends. The leadership of the FA must be saying to themselves, "With friends like these, who needs enemies..?" Even worse Evolution made their friends humiliate themselves on these boards. I might add that I was unhappy with much of the postings (especially of certain PA members) made in response to Detaitiv's post. I admire Detaitiv as he showed himself to be a true leader. He was willing to hold himself and his alliance out to ridicule, because of the belief, he must have held, that it was in the best interests of his members that he do so.
The treatment of the FA makes me to wonder if Faramir's offer is genuine. Given what Evolution are prepared to do to a friend over a single frigate (allegedly) how can current enemies judge their statements? Are they honourable? Can we trust them to keep their word? I have been told that I am dead so many times that I am unable to judge the merit of FaramirÆs post.
It is in the best interests of the PA and BoB that this conflict is settled before Shiva. However, best interests and reality are strange bedfellows. And the current reality is that this conflict is set to last a very long time.
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Hashi Lebwohl
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:16:00 -
[68]
The advantage of Branch (and BKG in particular) was that the reprocessing centre was located amongst better ores, unlike Tenal's one. With Shiva, the importance of BKG as a reprocessing centre will diminish, as we will be able to utilise POS and therefore for the first time be able to expand into Tenal. Of course, no expansion utilising POS is going to be tenable until the war in the North is resolved one way or another.
Having sat in BKG for two months at the beginning of this conflict I have no love for that place. It is correct that Evolution controls Branch most of the European playing time. It is therefore problematic to any resolution that most of the more vocal leaders of the PA are North American, and in their main Eve playing time Evolution's control of Branch is lacking in numbers. It is a pity that you cannot divide a territory up on a time basis rather than just a geographical one.
In the past six months, I have argued, within Oberon, that if the price for ending this current conflict is acknowledging Evolution's control of Branch, then so be it, as long as certain routes remain open (e.g. QHJ to V7-MID). I had heard that early in the conflict such an offer was made with the rider that a statement of apology needed to be published on these forums admitting defeat. The chances of a statement being made by a leader of the PA is as close to zero as its possible to get. The insistence on any statement, on either side, will kill any negotiated settlement dead.
Evolution's attacked on the FA has caused me to doubt my belief that a negotiated end will be possible. I still cannot believe what Evolution did to their friends. The leadership of the FA must be saying to themselves, "With friends like these, who needs enemies..?" Even worse Evolution made their friends humiliate themselves on these boards. I might add that I was unhappy with much of the postings (especially of certain PA members) made in response to Detaitiv's post. I admire Detaitiv as he showed himself to be a true leader. He was willing to hold himself and his alliance out to ridicule, because of the belief, he must have held, that it was in the best interests of his members that he do so.
The treatment of the FA makes me to wonder if Faramir's offer is genuine. Given what Evolution are prepared to do to a friend over a single frigate (allegedly) how can current enemies judge their statements? Are they honourable? Can we trust them to keep their word? I have been told that I am dead so many times that I am unable to judge the merit of FaramirÆs post.
It is in the best interests of the PA and BoB that this conflict is settled before Shiva. However, best interests and reality are strange bedfellows. And the current reality is that this conflict is set to last a very long time.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:16:00 -
[69]
Is it against EULA if it's true?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:16:00 -
[70]
Is it against EULA if it's true?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:27:00 -
[71]
Well Halseth, you've come as close to posting the truth as I've ever seen. I respect your argument but cannot agree wholeheartedly.
Let me try and be unbiased as far a I can about the branch question.
From my experience, playing from before downtime to about midnight gmt most days, I can safely say BoB is in firm control of branch and tenal during those hours. Any PA fleet contesting that control during those hours is forced to safespot and/or log off within minutes of it forming up or entering these regions.
Aside from that, Venal holds lesser and lesser active PA pilots while BoB can more or less roam free during the hours mentioned and stops any effective use of the region by PA.
During the other part of day PA can bring more pilots into branch and take the station and maybe mine a little.
As far as PA has US numbers in Venal, they are much more free to go about their buisiness at those hours.
However, the long term resolve BoB has shown will makes this a non-effective situation for PA. We are not here to mine or NPC hunt, only to deny you the regions we have chosen. This we will do whatever it takes and no matter how long we need to break up teh remaining PA forces in 0.0 space.
Therefore, I would see the wisdom in a solution that lets PA keep control over Venal. Hoping you can retain control over branch or tenal is pretty futile in my honest opinion, and will serve you no purpose.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:27:00 -
[72]
Well Halseth, you've come as close to posting the truth as I've ever seen. I respect your argument but cannot agree wholeheartedly.
Let me try and be unbiased as far a I can about the branch question.
From my experience, playing from before downtime to about midnight gmt most days, I can safely say BoB is in firm control of branch and tenal during those hours. Any PA fleet contesting that control during those hours is forced to safespot and/or log off within minutes of it forming up or entering these regions.
Aside from that, Venal holds lesser and lesser active PA pilots while BoB can more or less roam free during the hours mentioned and stops any effective use of the region by PA.
During the other part of day PA can bring more pilots into branch and take the station and maybe mine a little.
As far as PA has US numbers in Venal, they are much more free to go about their buisiness at those hours.
However, the long term resolve BoB has shown will makes this a non-effective situation for PA. We are not here to mine or NPC hunt, only to deny you the regions we have chosen. This we will do whatever it takes and no matter how long we need to break up teh remaining PA forces in 0.0 space.
Therefore, I would see the wisdom in a solution that lets PA keep control over Venal. Hoping you can retain control over branch or tenal is pretty futile in my honest opinion, and will serve you no purpose.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Raffer Rush
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:32:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Raffer Rush on 02/11/2004 19:35:11
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting on the forums is much like making love to a beautiful woman.......
What, it only take a few seconds?
Fire walk with me |
Raffer Rush
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:32:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Raffer Rush on 02/11/2004 19:35:11
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting on the forums is much like making love to a beautiful woman.......
What, it only take a few seconds?
Fire walk with me |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:34:00 -
[75]
Hashi, Evolution is known for the fact we do not accept ANY
aggression against our corporations members. Wether it concerns a frigate or a battleship full of tech2 bpo's to name something else, it does not matter to us.
That should be all we need to say about the FA thing.
When Evolution strikes a deal with anyone, we follow that agreement. But when someone shows inability do so from their side we do not give out second chances.
This is not an Evolution post but a Rod Blaine post.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:34:00 -
[76]
Hashi, Evolution is known for the fact we do not accept ANY
aggression against our corporations members. Wether it concerns a frigate or a battleship full of tech2 bpo's to name something else, it does not matter to us.
That should be all we need to say about the FA thing.
When Evolution strikes a deal with anyone, we follow that agreement. But when someone shows inability do so from their side we do not give out second chances.
This is not an Evolution post but a Rod Blaine post.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:35:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Raffer Rush
Edited by: Raffer Rush on 02/11/2004 19:35:11
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting on the forums is much like making love to a beautiful woman.......
What, it only take a few seconds?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:35:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Raffer Rush
Edited by: Raffer Rush on 02/11/2004 19:35:11
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Posting on the forums is much like making love to a beautiful woman.......
What, it only take a few seconds?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:41:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
The comment from my CEO makes me wonder what you said to get that sort of a response from him, Blacklight being a normal humourous drunken guy he is, as anyone who has ever met him can attest.
As for the beginning, during the first four months of the war, we have zipped lips as well, so blaming BNC as the cause for GODS smacktalking has little grounds.
But there is a difference between little smack, which everyone is prone to on moments of weakness such as myself and big smack, which is going all out with a large amount of BS that is far and far inappropriate.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:41:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
The comment from my CEO makes me wonder what you said to get that sort of a response from him, Blacklight being a normal humourous drunken guy he is, as anyone who has ever met him can attest.
As for the beginning, during the first four months of the war, we have zipped lips as well, so blaming BNC as the cause for GODS smacktalking has little grounds.
But there is a difference between little smack, which everyone is prone to on moments of weakness such as myself and big smack, which is going all out with a large amount of BS that is far and far inappropriate.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:43:00 -
[81]
Presidio you are making an arse out of yourself and if you think that kind of childish baiting is going to get a rise out of BNC then you are dafter than I thought. We're known for not smacktalking and generally being respectful of our enemies, GODS is about the one corp where we struggle to maintain our normally high standards. No, of course we are not angels (and we do have Rohann ) but we're an awful lot better than most.
As for resolution of the war in the North, as far as I am aware thats entirely within the hands of the leaders of the PA. If you're happy to carry on like this then thats your call but to say that you are falling rapidly behind the other alliances in terms of your progress, wealth and preparedness for Shiva is an understatement. Your own members tell us this.
My feeling is that it is just pure pigheadedness and pride amongst a very small number of your 'leaders' that are preventing you from holding your hands up and saying "ok enough, we're beaten, we admit it, now lets talk about a resolution".
I've seen it in Eve and in a couple of other games where stubborn pride leads people down a very unhappy road to internal strife, dropping membership, boredom and discontent. Not surprisingly those people who actually stand up and admit they are beaten often end up with much more kudos for having the balls to admit it, so fear of public opinion shouldn't be holding you back. It must be difficult for your members to keep going week on week knowing that there could potentially be a much brighter and more prosperous option for you to rebuild your alliance but a few stubborn prideful individuals are keeping them from it.
In the meantime we're very happy making a home in your territory and chasing you about 
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:43:00 -
[82]
Presidio you are making an arse out of yourself and if you think that kind of childish baiting is going to get a rise out of BNC then you are dafter than I thought. We're known for not smacktalking and generally being respectful of our enemies, GODS is about the one corp where we struggle to maintain our normally high standards. No, of course we are not angels (and we do have Rohann ) but we're an awful lot better than most.
As for resolution of the war in the North, as far as I am aware thats entirely within the hands of the leaders of the PA. If you're happy to carry on like this then thats your call but to say that you are falling rapidly behind the other alliances in terms of your progress, wealth and preparedness for Shiva is an understatement. Your own members tell us this.
My feeling is that it is just pure pigheadedness and pride amongst a very small number of your 'leaders' that are preventing you from holding your hands up and saying "ok enough, we're beaten, we admit it, now lets talk about a resolution".
I've seen it in Eve and in a couple of other games where stubborn pride leads people down a very unhappy road to internal strife, dropping membership, boredom and discontent. Not surprisingly those people who actually stand up and admit they are beaten often end up with much more kudos for having the balls to admit it, so fear of public opinion shouldn't be holding you back. It must be difficult for your members to keep going week on week knowing that there could potentially be a much brighter and more prosperous option for you to rebuild your alliance but a few stubborn prideful individuals are keeping them from it.
In the meantime we're very happy making a home in your territory and chasing you about
Eve Blacklight Style
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:53:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
The comment from my CEO makes me wonder what you said to get that sort of a response from him, Blacklight being a normal humourous drunken guy he is, as anyone who has ever met him can attest.
As for the beginning, during the first four months of the war, we have zipped lips as well, so blaming BNC as the cause for GODS smacktalking has little grounds.
But there is a difference between little smack, which everyone is prone to on moments of weakness such as myself and big smack, which is going all out with a large amount of BS that is far and far inappropriate.
Didn't say I blame BNC for smack. I said BNC is in a smacktalking alliance. BNC flies with other members of BoB therefore we consider you the same.
However BNC joined BoB like 2 months ago so how did you have your lips zipped for 4 months. Or are you talking about you fighting R-K in your space? In which case your attempt at spinning things is pretty weak. And was R-K talking smack to you? I bet not.
My first encounter with BNC was when they first came up to join BoB. We were greeted with insta smack from Rohann.
BTW: Blacklight comment was made in this thred. (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=31526)
It was not provoked as I wasn't posting about him or about BNC. Which makes him a smacktalker.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:53:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Maybe if you cut back on the smack, the total smack involved will drop hmmm?
interesting thought...
cause and effect...
Did you even read my post?
Originally by: Presidio
We haven't talked in local first 3 months of the war. Again not against EULA.
PA had a gag order on forum and local, didn't stop BoB from smacktalking.
Here is one from your CEO:
Originally by: "Blacklight"
Presidio you really are a d1ck,...
The comment from my CEO makes me wonder what you said to get that sort of a response from him, Blacklight being a normal humourous drunken guy he is, as anyone who has ever met him can attest.
As for the beginning, during the first four months of the war, we have zipped lips as well, so blaming BNC as the cause for GODS smacktalking has little grounds.
But there is a difference between little smack, which everyone is prone to on moments of weakness such as myself and big smack, which is going all out with a large amount of BS that is far and far inappropriate.
Didn't say I blame BNC for smack. I said BNC is in a smacktalking alliance. BNC flies with other members of BoB therefore we consider you the same.
However BNC joined BoB like 2 months ago so how did you have your lips zipped for 4 months. Or are you talking about you fighting R-K in your space? In which case your attempt at spinning things is pretty weak. And was R-K talking smack to you? I bet not.
My first encounter with BNC was when they first came up to join BoB. We were greeted with insta smack from Rohann.
BTW: Blacklight comment was made in this thred. (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=31526)
It was not provoked as I wasn't posting about him or about BNC. Which makes him a smacktalker.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:58:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 20:15:56
Originally by: Blacklight
Presidio you are making an arse out of yourself and if you think that kind of childish baiting is going to get a rise out of BNC then you are dafter than I thought. We're known for not smacktalking and generally being respectful of our enemies, GODS is about the one corp where we struggle to maintain our normally high standards. No, of course we are not angels (and we do have Rohann ) but we're an awful lot better than most.
Right. So why don't you read this thread and see who brought up the smacktalk accusations. It was your corp. So if you have to bring it up than you should expect to hear from me.
That's all.
The rest of your post is a flamebait. So I will not comment on it. But I am sure you would not be happy with what I have to say about it.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 19:58:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Presidio on 02/11/2004 20:15:56
Originally by: Blacklight
Presidio you are making an arse out of yourself and if you think that kind of childish baiting is going to get a rise out of BNC then you are dafter than I thought. We're known for not smacktalking and generally being respectful of our enemies, GODS is about the one corp where we struggle to maintain our normally high standards. No, of course we are not angels (and we do have Rohann ) but we're an awful lot better than most.
Right. So why don't you read this thread and see who brought up the smacktalk accusations. It was your corp. So if you have to bring it up than you should expect to hear from me.
That's all.
The rest of your post is a flamebait. So I will not comment on it. But I am sure you would not be happy with what I have to say about it.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:10:00 -
[87]
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:10:00 -
[88]
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Stained
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
Hi Mr. "didn't read the thread but I decided to flame Presidio again".
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:13:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Stained
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
Hi Mr. "didn't read the thread but I decided to flame Presidio again".
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Revolution
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:18:00 -
[91]
Being in the official weirdest timezone on the planet, (GMT +12) I see the late nite euro players, throught to the late nite USA players, through to the Euro players who get up early. In the middle of this time (approx 5 hours ingame time from now) PA start logging on and off until our numbers drop enough for them to log there fleet on and take the station. Approx 7-8 hours from now (about 2 hours after the pa take the station) me and a few late nite USA/early morning EUROS, take the station back (this takes about 10 mins ).
I know you guys get a good gank occaisonally, but its nothing to us. I must say you are almost commendable for getting enjoyment out of 2 hours a day of controlling not a lot.
just an observation from my pov.
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Revolution
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Posted - 2004.11.02 20:18:00 -
[92]
Being in the official weirdest timezone on the planet, (GMT +12) I see the late nite euro players, throught to the late nite USA players, through to the Euro players who get up early. In the middle of this time (approx 5 hours ingame time from now) PA start logging on and off until our numbers drop enough for them to log there fleet on and take the station. Approx 7-8 hours from now (about 2 hours after the pa take the station) me and a few late nite USA/early morning EUROS, take the station back (this takes about 10 mins ).
I know you guys get a good gank occaisonally, but its nothing to us. I must say you are almost commendable for getting enjoyment out of 2 hours a day of controlling not a lot.
just an observation from my pov.
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.11.02 21:24:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Stained
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
Hi Mr. "didn't read the thread but I decided to flame Presidio again".
I was trying to help your forum posting was all. I wasn't flaming at all.
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Stained
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Posted - 2004.11.02 21:24:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Presidio
Originally by: Stained
Presidio STOP! Your posts make about as much sense as 2+2=43.
You sit there and accuse people of something while your doing the same thing, then justify yourself by refusing to acknowledge it!
I mean, wtf!?
Hi Mr. "didn't read the thread but I decided to flame Presidio again".
I was trying to help your forum posting was all. I wasn't flaming at all.
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 21:51:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Revolution
Being in the official weirdest timezone on the planet, (GMT +12) I see the late nite euro players, throught to the late nite USA players, through to the Euro players who get up early. I know you guys get a good gank occaisonally, but its nothing to us. I must say you are almost commendable for getting enjoyment out of 2 hours a day of controlling not a lot.just an observation from my pov.
I have to agree, sometimes i log in really early ( before 1 pm dutch timezone) and then pa seems to have gone to bed and evol just toke back the station. Evol has alot of hardcore players, they play the game at least 10 hours a day/night. Then the other ' shift' comes in and PA has a few hours of ' pa time'.
And yes, PA has stamina in that way, but for each their own.
And we wub you anyway Rev
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 21:51:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Revolution
Being in the official weirdest timezone on the planet, (GMT +12) I see the late nite euro players, throught to the late nite USA players, through to the Euro players who get up early. I know you guys get a good gank occaisonally, but its nothing to us. I must say you are almost commendable for getting enjoyment out of 2 hours a day of controlling not a lot.just an observation from my pov.
I have to agree, sometimes i log in really early ( before 1 pm dutch timezone) and then pa seems to have gone to bed and evol just toke back the station. Evol has alot of hardcore players, they play the game at least 10 hours a day/night. Then the other ' shift' comes in and PA has a few hours of ' pa time'.
And yes, PA has stamina in that way, but for each their own.
And we wub you anyway Rev
This is not a hijack
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whejl
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:23:00 -
[97]
As far as I'm concerned, the last 'offer' we got from your camp was something like 'leave PA and you'll get 72h to pick your stuff up'. What a nice starting bid to go from!
From what I been reading, Evolutions goal from day one has been the total destruction of the PA. What is there to negotiate about?
Anyhow, I like the mood this thread has been in so far. If discussions and negotioations actually is in your intrest you would know by now who to contact..
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whejl
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:23:00 -
[98]
As far as I'm concerned, the last 'offer' we got from your camp was something like 'leave PA and you'll get 72h to pick your stuff up'. What a nice starting bid to go from!
From what I been reading, Evolutions goal from day one has been the total destruction of the PA. What is there to negotiate about?
Anyhow, I like the mood this thread has been in so far. If discussions and negotioations actually is in your intrest you would know by now who to contact..
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:33:00 -
[99]
I was gonna add something useful here, but I can't remember what it was.
So I'll just post to show off my sig.
Thanks.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:33:00 -
[100]
I was gonna add something useful here, but I can't remember what it was.
So I'll just post to show off my sig.
Thanks.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:55:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Shirei on 02/11/2004 23:58:17
Awwww, can we get SirMolle to post?
Just wondering which muppet he is.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.02 23:55:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Shirei on 02/11/2004 23:58:17
Awwww, can we get SirMolle to post?
Just wondering which muppet he is.
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patch
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:09:00 -
[103]
Originally by: "Halseth"
I form-up with the fleet I am attached to and if we havent taken the BKG station from Evolution yet, we usually do so very soon afterwards. (this is usually our only chance for fleet combat) Patrols throughout Branch and Tenal yeild 2-4 kills a night with rare losses. PA mining in the BKG system is usually unfettered with the exception of an occasional BoB inty that pops a can or two. We take the other stations in Branch if we need something out of them and NPC when we feel like it. On occasion, BoB forces at this time will put up a fight for a gank if our forces spread too thin.
Where to start..
Well first off, I myself have stayed up rather late for quite some time now, on either this char or another. Im on the GMT timezone but stay up as late as the american players do usually.
I hardly see you in local in BKG, and the gank squad only ever logs in, if a target has been caught alone somewhere within BKG, or when theres hardly any BoB forces online in BKG at the time. The usual proceedure is - target called, login, gank, warp out, logoff.
Although these are legit tactics classed by the GMs, they sure as hell do not warrant the term fleet battle, as you put it.
Patrols through Branch and Tenal?
Thats a joke right?
If local is massively in your favour in BKG, you might roam one or two systems out, but the PA squad soon comes back, to BKG.
Theres also another squad that resides in V7-MID, and again they do very little, and Ive never seen them leave the system when theyre on, and when I do goto scout, theyre never doing anything, except sitting outside the station or sitting at a safe. I've never caught them NPCing or mining, although if they do mine, they got a hell of a long trek back to a reproccessing plant.
PA mining in BKG?
Thats a good one, I like it, making it look like your free to do as you wish, but its not true, thats for sure.
"BoB forces occasionally get the odd gank when your spread too thin", you make it sound like you have an armarda up there, you have maybe 10-15 usually at the most, on a good night you gather 20, and when on earth are you ever spread out, your either logged out at a safespot, or logged in at a safespot, getting ready to gank someone or waitin to gank a possible target.
You've adopted the CE tactics very well I will say.
On a side note, I had hella fun in the fleet battle earlier today in H-PA, not had a good fight like that in a while, even if we were outnumbered
gg PA for that.
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patch
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:09:00 -
[104]
Originally by: "Halseth"
I form-up with the fleet I am attached to and if we havent taken the BKG station from Evolution yet, we usually do so very soon afterwards. (this is usually our only chance for fleet combat) Patrols throughout Branch and Tenal yeild 2-4 kills a night with rare losses. PA mining in the BKG system is usually unfettered with the exception of an occasional BoB inty that pops a can or two. We take the other stations in Branch if we need something out of them and NPC when we feel like it. On occasion, BoB forces at this time will put up a fight for a gank if our forces spread too thin.
Where to start..
Well first off, I myself have stayed up rather late for quite some time now, on either this char or another. Im on the GMT timezone but stay up as late as the american players do usually.
I hardly see you in local in BKG, and the gank squad only ever logs in, if a target has been caught alone somewhere within BKG, or when theres hardly any BoB forces online in BKG at the time. The usual proceedure is - target called, login, gank, warp out, logoff.
Although these are legit tactics classed by the GMs, they sure as hell do not warrant the term fleet battle, as you put it.
Patrols through Branch and Tenal?
Thats a joke right?
If local is massively in your favour in BKG, you might roam one or two systems out, but the PA squad soon comes back, to BKG.
Theres also another squad that resides in V7-MID, and again they do very little, and Ive never seen them leave the system when theyre on, and when I do goto scout, theyre never doing anything, except sitting outside the station or sitting at a safe. I've never caught them NPCing or mining, although if they do mine, they got a hell of a long trek back to a reproccessing plant.
PA mining in BKG?
Thats a good one, I like it, making it look like your free to do as you wish, but its not true, thats for sure.
"BoB forces occasionally get the odd gank when your spread too thin", you make it sound like you have an armarda up there, you have maybe 10-15 usually at the most, on a good night you gather 20, and when on earth are you ever spread out, your either logged out at a safespot, or logged in at a safespot, getting ready to gank someone or waitin to gank a possible target.
You've adopted the CE tactics very well I will say.
On a side note, I had hella fun in the fleet battle earlier today in H-PA, not had a good fight like that in a while, even if we were outnumbered
gg PA for that.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:21:00 -
[105]
Yes more of that PA
[14 battleships destroyed] [13 battleships lost]
My armageddon god dammit damn you pesky frigs.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:21:00 -
[106]
Yes more of that PA
[14 battleships destroyed] [13 battleships lost]
My armageddon god dammit damn you pesky frigs.
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Umbris Shadow
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:22:00 -
[107]
pssst sutty 2 of those r TPs that means its really 12 to 13 u lose:)
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Umbris Shadow
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:22:00 -
[108]
pssst sutty 2 of those r TPs that means its really 12 to 13 u lose:)
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patch
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:25:00 -
[109]
Not really, if TPS wanna enter venal space and assist the PA then they can die like them.
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patch
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:25:00 -
[110]
Not really, if TPS wanna enter venal space and assist the PA then they can die like them.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:27:00 -
[111]
Edited by: sutty on 03/11/2004 00:31:18
Gah what the hell they shouldn't be there.
But it seemed TPS was helping them ( So I was just imformed so dunno? )
Dont matter anyhow it was 22 PA battleships vs 15
And it lasted 2 hrs which was amazing although I lasted like 20 mins
Had that geddon 4 months 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:27:00 -
[112]
Edited by: sutty on 03/11/2004 00:31:18
Gah what the hell they shouldn't be there.
But it seemed TPS was helping them ( So I was just imformed so dunno? )
Dont matter anyhow it was 22 PA battleships vs 15
And it lasted 2 hrs which was amazing although I lasted like 20 mins
Had that geddon 4 months
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Umbris Shadow
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:33:00 -
[113]
u said PA not tps and pa and TPS was there to kill u i am guessing not really to help pa
helping isnt there style though i could be wrong
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Umbris Shadow
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:33:00 -
[114]
u said PA not tps and pa and TPS was there to kill u i am guessing not really to help pa
helping isnt there style though i could be wrong
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:42:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 00:50:21
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:42:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 00:50:21
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Gallente Citizen 4983
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:45:00 -
[117]
Please, stop bragging about kills.
Just take one killboard vs the other and you can easily see that both sides do not register their losses adequatly.
On the bob killboard there tend to be 'no-loss' periods from like 6am to aroun 18pm , no losses during that time? Pa killboard shows something different.
And the diffrences are very clear in the last few days, so stop behaving like killboard.net would be something 'honest' and 'official'. Losses are covered to show the 'daily upper hand'.
The point is, BOTH sides take heavy losses, stop being indestructible leet, its boring already :) |
Gallente Citizen 4983
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:45:00 -
[118]
Please, stop bragging about kills.
Just take one killboard vs the other and you can easily see that both sides do not register their losses adequatly.
On the bob killboard there tend to be 'no-loss' periods from like 6am to aroun 18pm , no losses during that time? Pa killboard shows something different.
And the diffrences are very clear in the last few days, so stop behaving like killboard.net would be something 'honest' and 'official'. Losses are covered to show the 'daily upper hand'.
The point is, BOTH sides take heavy losses, stop being indestructible leet, its boring already :) |
ReForMatt
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
[119]
Well I dont know that I speak for the rest of the working class America but I can only play a few hours a night. I enjoy my time on the game I have been in Venal for over a year and we are always fighting someone. But I thought thats what we bought this game for.
I dont play to mine or smack talk so to say Gods like all members smack talk is just incorrect. Do I plan on moving from venal hasnt crossed my mind why if you are enjoying the game and that goes for both sides. I is just a game.
GODS NUFF SAID!! |
ReForMatt
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
[120]
Well I dont know that I speak for the rest of the working class America but I can only play a few hours a night. I enjoy my time on the game I have been in Venal for over a year and we are always fighting someone. But I thought thats what we bought this game for.
I dont play to mine or smack talk so to say Gods like all members smack talk is just incorrect. Do I plan on moving from venal hasnt crossed my mind why if you are enjoying the game and that goes for both sides. I is just a game.
GODS NUFF SAID!! |
sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
[121]
Not like either side is going to argue with battleship losses, if you want take time to PM each of them losses today and see if they are correct.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 00:49:00 -
[122]
Not like either side is going to argue with battleship losses, if you want take time to PM each of them losses today and see if they are correct.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:27:00 -
[123]
For an acurate glimpse into the kills of this war:
Compare THIS KILLBOARD
to
THIS KILLBOARD and....
You will reach nirvana (and be closer to the truth)
P.S. Patch, most of us made lots of ISK mining in BKG last night.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:27:00 -
[124]
For an acurate glimpse into the kills of this war:
Compare THIS KILLBOARD
to
THIS KILLBOARD and....
You will reach nirvana (and be closer to the truth)
P.S. Patch, most of us made lots of ISK mining in BKG last night.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:40:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:45:47
Halseth if you look at our kills and your losses for tuesday. There are many missing losses on your killboard. For example you didnt put down the loss of St0rmbringer's apoc. In fact you are missing many losses on your board.
your board
our board
Now you can argue that we don't post all of our losses. I find losses on your board that we dont have. However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
So now tell me, where did those mails go? I wouldn't be able to believe that the honorable Phoenix Alliance makes up their own kills.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:40:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:45:47
Halseth if you look at our kills and your losses for tuesday. There are many missing losses on your killboard. For example you didnt put down the loss of St0rmbringer's apoc. In fact you are missing many losses on your board.
your board
our board
Now you can argue that we don't post all of our losses. I find losses on your board that we dont have. However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
So now tell me, where did those mails go? I wouldn't be able to believe that the honorable Phoenix Alliance makes up their own kills.
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:50:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 01:54:58
Originally by: Caanan
In fact you are missing many losses on your board
that's why you should compare both killboards
Quote:
However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
killmails are under this icon, make sure your browser doesn't disable pop-ups
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:50:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Koval on 03/11/2004 01:54:58
Originally by: Caanan
In fact you are missing many losses on your board
that's why you should compare both killboards
Quote:
However I can't find any mails for your kills? Where are they?
killmails are under this icon, make sure your browser doesn't disable pop-ups
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:52:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:56:23
Well I've clicked that icon and it doesnt show anything. It brings me back to the page I clicked it on.
If you look at the link properties under that image you'll see that its the same URL as the kill page for tuesday.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:52:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Caanan on 03/11/2004 01:56:23
Well I've clicked that icon and it doesnt show anything. It brings me back to the page I clicked it on.
If you look at the link properties under that image you'll see that its the same URL as the kill page for tuesday.
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:57:00 -
[131]
your browser disables all pop-ups, if you have Netscape u must enable popups, Tools > Popup manager > enable popups from this site
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Koval
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:57:00 -
[132]
your browser disables all pop-ups, if you have Netscape u must enable popups, Tools > Popup manager > enable popups from this site
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:58:00 -
[133]
All javascript popups have a link to the current page as link info. If you have popups and java script enabled, the kill mail should come up in a new window.
And yeah, there's not much point whining about missing losses on either of the kill boards I think. It's human nature to be much more forthcoming with reporting your victories than your losses and it's insanely hard to circumvent that. But there's two boards, so just go to the PA board for BoB losses and vice versa and you shouldn't end up too far from the truth.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 01:58:00 -
[134]
All javascript popups have a link to the current page as link info. If you have popups and java script enabled, the kill mail should come up in a new window.
And yeah, there's not much point whining about missing losses on either of the kill boards I think. It's human nature to be much more forthcoming with reporting your victories than your losses and it's insanely hard to circumvent that. But there's two boards, so just go to the PA board for BoB losses and vice versa and you shouldn't end up too far from the truth.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:09:00 -
[135]
Well I got the popups to work. I use mozilla and/ or netscape 7 so they dont ever come up.
I have to agree with you that our killboards aren't both quite accurate.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:09:00 -
[136]
Well I got the popups to work. I use mozilla and/ or netscape 7 so they dont ever come up.
I have to agree with you that our killboards aren't both quite accurate.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:24:00 -
[137]
Neither kill board has full looses. You want bob's losses chances are PA board is best for it and vice-versa. The pointing out people have done about bob's losses being lower than they actually are is because bob make forum posts about stats and PA corp participation in the war. If that didn't happen then it's fine you don't post all losses, it's to be expected.
Plus bob consists of 4 corps, 4 corps are not the only enemey PA is fighting in venal, tenal and branch.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 02:24:00 -
[138]
Neither kill board has full looses. You want bob's losses chances are PA board is best for it and vice-versa. The pointing out people have done about bob's losses being lower than they actually are is because bob make forum posts about stats and PA corp participation in the war. If that didn't happen then it's fine you don't post all losses, it's to be expected.
Plus bob consists of 4 corps, 4 corps are not the only enemey PA is fighting in venal, tenal and branch.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:25:00 -
[139]
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:25:00 -
[140]
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:31:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:31:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Faramir
Edited by: Faramir on 02/11/2004 15:40:02
Good post and good points.
I thank Halseth on posting those 4 points as I agree with them and they for once don't put the PA on a higher spot than they are. (no offense)
Although I must say point 4 is a little boasting for 1 particular battle (which i only saw on the killboard at work).
I would now like to ask how the PA stands towards it's own "claim" of the Branch region.
With the stations in this region mostly (not 100% of the time) under BOB control and our forces being mostly free to do in Branch as they please I wonder why the PA still claims this part of space?
Isn't it time to give up the claim for 1 region off a 3-region claim?
All forces involved know how long the BOB forces have managed to keep the stations, the activity and the offices in this region (several months now).
My question is merely what stands in the way of admitting the loss of 1 region (not the war) for the PA? And I ask if the PA considers the things I have said about the Branch region realistic?
Surely the loss of offices, stations and overall presence in Branch (besides the "big haul" on sunday evening) should prove the claim to this region is no longer realistic.
Would the PA care to comment on this point?
EDIT: Halseth made 4 points not 6.
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:33:00 -
[143]
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
The BoB kill board might not have been accurate to begin with but it is very close to accurate now. I know I accidentally deleted a kill mail where I lost a Maller last week, so I convoed the guys who I lost it to and had it sent to me - that is the kind of effort that goes into making our kill board accurate.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 03:33:00 -
[144]
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
The BoB kill board might not have been accurate to begin with but it is very close to accurate now. I know I accidentally deleted a kill mail where I lost a Maller last week, so I convoed the guys who I lost it to and had it sent to me - that is the kind of effort that goes into making our kill board accurate.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:42:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:47:49
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:45:12
Quote:
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it. -SweatySack
Sweaty, you dont trust US?
Fact: FU backstabbed the PA when they decided to not only chuck our mutual protection pact (NAST) but to also declare war on the PA in one stroke. Shall I break out the noble chat log where FU are escorting an enemy (JF) and trying desperately in vain to get PA to fire on them so we would be the aggressor?
You pushed for this war?!?
Fact: You were one of the few NAST leaders who openly supported the PA when this war first started and complained to me about how the others had vetoed your desire to support your NAST allies. You are a political observer who plays what ever direction the wind is blowing.
Rewriting history didn't work for Jade and wont work for you so stop ****ing away what little credibility you have left with this kind of punk talk. And as for your "supperior PvP brag", stuff it. A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
Sincerely,
Halseth
P.S. I will get on stormbringers case about posting his deathmail. You tell sledgehammer to post his.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:42:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:47:49
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 03/11/2004 06:45:12
Quote:
I can answer this for you Faramir. Why would PA ever trust Bob as a neighbor...would you trust PA as one? I know I wouldnt. Thats why I helped push this war. I didnt trust PA so we didnt go the diplomatic route(This being when I was council of FU). PA wont quit till they got nothing left. If Venal was player owned stations this war would be over by now. I think both sides are basically waiting for shiva for the final push to break the other side. The war will be over a month after shiva. Take my word on it. -SweatySack
Sweaty, you dont trust US?
Fact: FU backstabbed the PA when they decided to not only chuck our mutual protection pact (NAST) but to also declare war on the PA in one stroke. Shall I break out the noble chat log where FU are escorting an enemy (JF) and trying desperately in vain to get PA to fire on them so we would be the aggressor?
You pushed for this war?!?
Fact: You were one of the few NAST leaders who openly supported the PA when this war first started and complained to me about how the others had vetoed your desire to support your NAST allies. You are a political observer who plays what ever direction the wind is blowing.
Rewriting history didn't work for Jade and wont work for you so stop ****ing away what little credibility you have left with this kind of punk talk. And as for your "supperior PvP brag", stuff it. A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
Sincerely,
Halseth
P.S. I will get on stormbringers case about posting his deathmail. You tell sledgehammer to post his.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:55:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Blacklight
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
Oh, you can post it yourself... you only had to ask for the killmail
2004.11.01 22:16:00
Victim: Captain Fringe
Corporation: Black Nova Corp
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: VG-6CH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Lene Jones (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I
Name: Kronarty
Security Status: 4.1
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Bjugiz
Security Status: 5.0
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Hellek
Security Status: 2.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Chris Henry
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: CyberDyne Industries
Ship Type: Moa
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 25
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 3
Type: Ultraviolet L (Cargo)
Quantity: 2
Type: Large Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Heat Sink II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Capacitor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Fitted - Medium slot)
Quantity: 4
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Shock ¦Limos¦ Siege Missile Bay I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 16
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Cargo)
Quantity: 6
Type: Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 26
Type: 1600mm Reinforced Crystaline Carbonide Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 06:55:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Blacklight
It does take a big effort to get everyone to post their losses, we've an Apoc downed for over 24 hours thats not logged yet but I know who it is and it will get logged.
Oh, you can post it yourself... you only had to ask for the killmail
2004.11.01 22:16:00
Victim: Captain Fringe
Corporation: Black Nova Corp
Destroyed Type: Apocalypse
Solar System: VG-6CH
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Lene Jones (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Tempest
Weapon Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I
Name: Kronarty
Security Status: 4.1
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Bjugiz
Security Status: 5.0
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Raven
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Hellek
Security Status: 2.3
Corporation: Oberon Incorporated
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Chris Henry
Security Status: 0.0
Corporation: CyberDyne Industries
Ship Type: Moa
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 25
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 3
Type: Ultraviolet L (Cargo)
Quantity: 2
Type: Large Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Heat Sink II (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Capacitor Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Fitted - Medium slot)
Quantity: 4
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Mega Beam Laser I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Shock ¦Limos¦ Siege Missile Bay I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 16
Type: Cap Booster 800 (Cargo)
Quantity: 6
Type: Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I (Cargo)
Quantity: 26
Type: 1600mm Reinforced Crystaline Carbonide Plates I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Multifrequency L (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Radio L (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:04:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 07:10:31
Originally by: SweatySack
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Well, let's just say I find it strange that the BoB killboard always fails to show those downed BS that would put PA ahead in kills.
Example, this monday and tuesday.
Your "score" for the day showed 7-7 and 14-13 when it should be 7-8 and 14-15.
Now if I want to be evil I could think you guys only post so much and when the day has been bad or not as good as you hoped you settle for an equal kill/loss ratio and let the day's stats get "lost" out of the homepage.
But that is only if I want to be evil, I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this coincidence.
So stop pretending your killboard is perfect because it isn't, ours isn't. Smartest thing to do is to take a look at the kills in both boards and that is what happens here.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:04:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 07:10:31
Originally by: SweatySack
I know for one thing that BNC post all of our losses on the BOB killboard. There have been LOADS of directors pushing for us to do this. Same with EVOL, RKK. Hopefully CCP will make a killboard that can not be tampered with. Honestly tho...I dont think the PA one is as truthfull as BOB's. We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide. I am not saying PA is lying on there kills but maybe not everyoen knows to add there losses. It took Bob a while too.
Well, let's just say I find it strange that the BoB killboard always fails to show those downed BS that would put PA ahead in kills.
Example, this monday and tuesday.
Your "score" for the day showed 7-7 and 14-13 when it should be 7-8 and 14-15.
Now if I want to be evil I could think you guys only post so much and when the day has been bad or not as good as you hoped you settle for an equal kill/loss ratio and let the day's stats get "lost" out of the homepage.
But that is only if I want to be evil, I am sure there is a legitimate reason for this coincidence.
So stop pretending your killboard is perfect because it isn't, ours isn't. Smartest thing to do is to take a look at the kills in both boards and that is what happens here.
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Mindblank
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:41:00 -
[151]
Originally by: SweatySack
We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide...
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
I'll take it as some late night rambling then
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Mindblank
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Posted - 2004.11.03 07:41:00 -
[152]
Originally by: SweatySack
We know we are better PVP'ers so we dont have anything to hide...
Disclaimer: I am drunk and ****ed cuz Kerry is losing...dont take this serious.
I'll take it as some late night rambling then
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:22:00 -
[153]
Edited by: Fred0 on 03/11/2004 08:25:29
Originally by: sutty
Yes more of that PA
[14 battleships destroyed] [13 battleships lost]
My armageddon god dammit damn you pesky frigs.
Lol sutty, most faked numbers ever ;)
1. You forgot some BOB losses
2. You don't mention your helper corp's losses
3. But still you include kills that are not PA.
And with that huge bias you still only eek out only a 1bs win for the day. WTG BOB!
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:22:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Fred0 on 03/11/2004 08:25:29
Originally by: sutty
Yes more of that PA
[14 battleships destroyed] [13 battleships lost]
My armageddon god dammit damn you pesky frigs.
Lol sutty, most faked numbers ever ;)
1. You forgot some BOB losses
2. You don't mention your helper corp's losses
3. But still you include kills that are not PA.
And with that huge bias you still only eek out only a 1bs win for the day. WTG BOB!
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:37:00 -
[155]
I don't see the point why we're all over the killboards...
Some days you win, somedays you lose. Yesterday we lost some more, over the weekend and last week we usually kept the score in our favour.
Yesterday we fought outnumbered and we had fun. That's all that counts for me.
Let's have some more fleetengagements soon
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Faramir
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:37:00 -
[156]
I don't see the point why we're all over the killboards...
Some days you win, somedays you lose. Yesterday we lost some more, over the weekend and last week we usually kept the score in our favour.
Yesterday we fought outnumbered and we had fun. That's all that counts for me.
Let's have some more fleetengagements soon
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:42:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Faramir
I don't see the point why we're all over the killboards...
Some days you win, somedays you lose. Yesterday we lost some more, over the weekend and last week we usually kept the score in our favour.
Yesterday we fought outnumbered and we had fun. That's all that counts for me.
Let's have some more fleetengagements soon
Indeed the killboards should not be debated... just visit both sites to compare kills and you`re all set.
Last night I was watching footie while the battle went on.... kept clicking refresh on the killboards LOL
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 08:42:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Faramir
I don't see the point why we're all over the killboards...
Some days you win, somedays you lose. Yesterday we lost some more, over the weekend and last week we usually kept the score in our favour.
Yesterday we fought outnumbered and we had fun. That's all that counts for me.
Let's have some more fleetengagements soon
Indeed the killboards should not be debated... just visit both sites to compare kills and you`re all set.
Last night I was watching footie while the battle went on.... kept clicking refresh on the killboards LOL
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:17:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Phonix on 03/11/2004 10:20:35
Hey Hasbeen pls get your facts straight before you talk about ex FU members..
As I recall FU had 8 corparation in the alliance when the war started and PA had 50+..
And when your so called CE/RONA "Main PVP Corps where in fade" we where slaughting over than 200+ bs in a 2 weeks time in H-PA29.
So pls sir Play the game and fight not login at LATE US TIMEZONES to avoid the raith of EVOL.
Have a good day Hasbeen..
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:17:00 -
[160]
Edited by: Phonix on 03/11/2004 10:20:35
Hey Hasbeen pls get your facts straight before you talk about ex FU members..
As I recall FU had 8 corparation in the alliance when the war started and PA had 50+..
And when your so called CE/RONA "Main PVP Corps where in fade" we where slaughting over than 200+ bs in a 2 weeks time in H-PA29.
So pls sir Play the game and fight not login at LATE US TIMEZONES to avoid the raith of EVOL.
Have a good day Hasbeen..
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:32:00 -
[161]
I hope yesterday was the beginning of you actually being able to organise fleets again.
I would be severly dissapointed if you can only manage one eu fleetbattle this month.
So let's dance PA.
One day's victory will not win you anything.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:32:00 -
[162]
I hope yesterday was the beginning of you actually being able to organise fleets again.
I would be severly dissapointed if you can only manage one eu fleetbattle this month.
So let's dance PA.
One day's victory will not win you anything.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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whejl
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:33:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Phonix
Hey Hasbeen pls get your facts straight before you talk about ex FU members..
Why the need for name-calling?
Originally by: Phonix
As I recall FU had 8 corparation in the alliance when the war started and PA had 50+..
Yes please get your facts straight before posting. PA have never been anything near that number.
Originally by: Phonix
And when your so called CE/RONA "Main PVP Corps where in fade" we where slaughting over than 200+ bs in a 2 weeks time in H-PA29.
I dont know the numbers since that was before the killboards made their entrance, but I think we got a few of yours to.
Originally by: Phonix
So pls sir Play the game and fight not login at LATE US TIMEZONES to avoid the raith of EVOL.
Have a good day Hasbeen..
MrHasbeen: move to europe you lazy *** american sc*m bag. If not then quit your **** job and stay up all morning.
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whejl
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:33:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Phonix
Hey Hasbeen pls get your facts straight before you talk about ex FU members..
Why the need for name-calling?
Originally by: Phonix
As I recall FU had 8 corparation in the alliance when the war started and PA had 50+..
Yes please get your facts straight before posting. PA have never been anything near that number.
Originally by: Phonix
And when your so called CE/RONA "Main PVP Corps where in fade" we where slaughting over than 200+ bs in a 2 weeks time in H-PA29.
I dont know the numbers since that was before the killboards made their entrance, but I think we got a few of yours to.
Originally by: Phonix
So pls sir Play the game and fight not login at LATE US TIMEZONES to avoid the raith of EVOL.
Have a good day Hasbeen..
MrHasbeen: move to europe you lazy *** american sc*m bag. If not then quit your **** job and stay up all morning.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:36:00 -
[165]
Phonix suffered from a case of cafeine overdrive coupled with some nicotine shortages I think.
Ignore his post.
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:36:00 -
[166]
Phonix suffered from a case of cafeine overdrive coupled with some nicotine shortages I think.
Ignore his post.
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Estios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:55:00 -
[167]
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb. Sass your one is class and so true
I thought the Original post was pretty darn good.
My view of the North was utter Bob dominance of the 3 contested regions over the last 6 weeks during the EU time zone.
Bickering about a kill list is so petty. It was a FACT you could open up the map looking for a fight and say:
"What that blob in P-V?"
"Thats us"
"Oh ok, hows BKG ?"
"5 PA in local, no visuals anywhere and system safe as usual"
"Damn, H-PA??"
"Yeah thats us too"
Seems in the last few days PA have begun to get it together though and seems to good scale battles are gonna happen. Maybe that dominance will change, and for the sake of everyone fun its probably a good thing.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.11.03 10:55:00 -
[168]
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb. Sass your one is class and so true
I thought the Original post was pretty darn good.
My view of the North was utter Bob dominance of the 3 contested regions over the last 6 weeks during the EU time zone.
Bickering about a kill list is so petty. It was a FACT you could open up the map looking for a fight and say:
"What that blob in P-V?"
"Thats us"
"Oh ok, hows BKG ?"
"5 PA in local, no visuals anywhere and system safe as usual"
"Damn, H-PA??"
"Yeah thats us too"
Seems in the last few days PA have begun to get it together though and seems to good scale battles are gonna happen. Maybe that dominance will change, and for the sake of everyone fun its probably a good thing.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:01:00 -
[169]
Edited by: Phonix on 03/11/2004 11:04:12
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Phonix suffered from a case of cafeine overdrive coupled with some nicotine shortages I think.
Ignore his post.
4AM here rod..
Im sorry..
Wait am i?
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:01:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Phonix on 03/11/2004 11:04:12
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Phonix suffered from a case of cafeine overdrive coupled with some nicotine shortages I think.
Ignore his post.
4AM here rod..
Im sorry..
Wait am i?
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:05:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Estios
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb.
They`re pretty cool yeah ... well ... besides... err... you know you`re almost asking for "muppet" comments don`t you?
(I mean that in the most friendly way possible-honest ) |
ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:05:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Estios
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb.
They`re pretty cool yeah ... well ... besides... err... you know you`re almost asking for "muppet" comments don`t you?
(I mean that in the most friendly way possible-honest) |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:17:00 -
[173]
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Estios
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb.
They`re pretty cool yeah ... well ... besides... err... you know you`re almost asking for "muppet" comments don`t you?
(I mean that in the most friendly way possible-honest)
Ever seen the damage the muppet show gone berserk does ?
Well, dont call us muppets if you dont want to find out.
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:17:00 -
[174]
Originally by: ElCoCo
Originally by: Estios
omg I LOVE the Evol sigs, superb.
They`re pretty cool yeah ... well ... besides... err... you know you`re almost asking for "muppet" comments don`t you?
(I mean that in the most friendly way possible-honest)
Ever seen the damage the muppet show gone berserk does ?
Well, dont call us muppets if you dont want to find out.
_______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
Solutions to your issues. |
Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:40:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Halseth Durn
A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
lol, priceless Of course the other 10-15 cruisers and frigates you had didn't contribute at all? Anyway we had a TS coordination clusterf*** rght at the wrong moment and you won that fight fair and square so gg to you.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:40:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Halseth Durn
A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
lol, priceless Of course the other 10-15 cruisers and frigates you had didn't contribute at all? Anyway we had a TS coordination clusterf*** rght at the wrong moment and you won that fight fair and square so gg to you.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Zarks
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:46:00 -
[177]
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
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Zarks
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:46:00 -
[178]
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:56:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 11:56:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe |
Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:05:00 -
[181]
Yeah that happens sometimes, buggy killmail I guess, I remember a BoB death in which sutty (I think) appeared as aggressor as well... strange things happen in the eve cluster...
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:05:00 -
[182]
Yeah that happens sometimes, buggy killmail I guess, I remember a BoB death in which sutty (I think) appeared as aggressor as well... strange things happen in the eve cluster...
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:18:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Kronarty
Yeah that happens sometimes, buggy killmail I guess, I remember a BoB death in which sutty (I think) appeared as aggressor as well... strange things happen in the eve cluster...
You will show on the killmail as long as the victim ship hasn't docked or jumped since you shot at him... however, the funny thing about this one is that it was a PA ship that got the final blow on him, not merely a mention on the killmail, which would imply that Zarks was actively shooting at his ally.
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McBryan
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:18:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Kronarty
Yeah that happens sometimes, buggy killmail I guess, I remember a BoB death in which sutty (I think) appeared as aggressor as well... strange things happen in the eve cluster...
You will show on the killmail as long as the victim ship hasn't docked or jumped since you shot at him... however, the funny thing about this one is that it was a PA ship that got the final blow on him, not merely a mention on the killmail, which would imply that Zarks was actively shooting at his ally.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:23:00 -
[185]
Nah, he could've just misclicked, **** happens |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:23:00 -
[186]
Nah, he could've just misclicked, **** happens |
Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:26:00 -
[187]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
ROFL Priceless...
Not suppose to shoot purple there chief..
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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Phonix
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:26:00 -
[188]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
ROFL Priceless...
Not suppose to shoot purple there chief..
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Notferr has been pwned by CCP..
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:26:00 -
[189]
OMG, T34MK1LL, H4X.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2004.11.03 12:26:00 -
[190]
OMG, T34MK1LL, H4X.
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Zarks
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Posted - 2004.11.03 13:42:00 -
[191]
Yeah I can take the blame for this one :(
Before the fight started we switched places so to speak, you tried to get our longrange at shortrange and so on.
Our longrange warped away and came back before you came but I guess one of us got left behind and that was crimson. Used visual targeting on random bloke in the blob before command was given and started firing. **** happens I guess, Crimson if you read this I am very sorry :(
I was one of eight attackers though so hopefully I was not the sole factor of your death even though I got the mail.
Did not even realise ot was a PA member before I started checking why the posted killmail didn¦t show the way it should have.
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Zarks
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Posted - 2004.11.03 13:42:00 -
[192]
Yeah I can take the blame for this one :(
Before the fight started we switched places so to speak, you tried to get our longrange at shortrange and so on.
Our longrange warped away and came back before you came but I guess one of us got left behind and that was crimson. Used visual targeting on random bloke in the blob before command was given and started firing. **** happens I guess, Crimson if you read this I am very sorry :(
I was one of eight attackers though so hopefully I was not the sole factor of your death even though I got the mail.
Did not even realise ot was a PA member before I started checking why the posted killmail didn¦t show the way it should have.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:13:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Halseth Durn
A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
lol, priceless Of course the other 10-15 cruisers and frigates you had didn't contribute at all? Anyway we had a TS coordination clusterf*** rght at the wrong moment and you won that fight fair and square so gg to you.
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:13:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Halseth Durn
A 7 BS BNC fleet just met a 4 BS PA fleet in MA-VDX. End result is 3 BNC battleships down to our 1.
lol, priceless Of course the other 10-15 cruisers and frigates you had didn't contribute at all? Anyway we had a TS coordination clusterf*** rght at the wrong moment and you won that fight fair and square so gg to you.
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
-
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:31:00 -
[195]
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 14:36:57
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:31:00 -
[196]
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 14:36:57
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:48:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 14:58:07
Originally by: pHASE 11
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships. 395 of your kills are basic frigates, shoutles, capsules etc.
Every time we engaged you got slaughtered (Like in this video.).
But I am not complaining. Keep fighting us I am glad you're up here
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:48:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 14:58:07
Originally by: pHASE 11
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships. 395 of your kills are basic frigates, shoutles, capsules etc.
Every time we engaged you got slaughtered (Like in this video.).
But I am not complaining. Keep fighting us I am glad you're up here
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:56:00 -
[199]
I just had to go and see what Shrike's signature is like
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a history |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 14:56:00 -
[200]
I just had to go and see what Shrike's signature is like
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a history |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:05:00 -
[201]
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
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a history |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:05:00 -
[202]
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
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a history |
Gallente Citizen 4983
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:09:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Riddari
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
I was really hoping for Piggy & Kermit pair.. too bad ;f |
Gallente Citizen 4983
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:09:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Riddari
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
I was really hoping for Piggy & Kermit pair.. too bad ;f |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:10:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Jake Constantwhine
Originally by: Riddari
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
I was really hoping for Piggy & Kermit pair.. too bad ;f
Hey.. are you the brother of Jade Constantwhine who was later known as EvePlayer 8124?
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a history |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:10:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Jake Constantwhine
Originally by: Riddari
Ohhh.. and Molle's not bad either
I was really hoping for Piggy & Kermit pair.. too bad ;f
Hey.. are you the brother of Jade Constantwhine who was later known as EvePlayer 8124?
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a history |
pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:20:00 -
[207]
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:49:49
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:25:00
Originally by: Presidio
<..cut..>
I counted your losses and I found
<..cut..>
Counting from one month back.
BoB kill list
155 registered BoB kills of [GODS] members since 4th october
Only 72 of these losses are registered on the PA kill site.
PA kill list
EDIT: I admit I took the obvious bait. Enough of this "mine is bigger than yours"...
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pHASE 11
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:20:00 -
[208]
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:49:49
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:25:00
Originally by: Presidio
<..cut..>
I counted your losses and I found
<..cut..>
Counting from one month back.
BoB kill list
155 registered BoB kills of [GODS] members since 4th october
Only 72 of these losses are registered on the PA kill site.
PA kill list
EDIT: I admit I took the obvious bait. Enough of this "mine is bigger than yours"...
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:47:00 -
[209]
Ok molles sig is just funny a hell
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 15:47:00 -
[210]
Ok molles sig is just funny a hell
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:12:00 -
[211]
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:12:00 -
[212]
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:39:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 17:15:17
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
Fight you're talking about: We engaged you outnumbered, we lost a Scorp and you lost a Megathron. So I don't see how we lost that fight. According to the value of the ships you can say we won it. Also we did not engage a BNC fleet it was a NORAD fleet while on our side we only had one non-GODS member.
GODS do have most losses but we also have most kills that's because we have been the most active corp in North PA space since the beggining of the war (7 months?).
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:39:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 17:15:17
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
Fight you're talking about: We engaged you outnumbered, we lost a Scorp and you lost a Megathron. So I don't see how we lost that fight. According to the value of the ships you can say we won it. Also we did not engage a BNC fleet it was a NORAD fleet while on our side we only had one non-GODS member.
GODS do have most losses but we also have most kills that's because we have been the most active corp in North PA space since the beggining of the war (7 months?).
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:45:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 17:08:07
Originally by: Presidio
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 14:58:07
Originally by: pHASE 11
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships. 395 of your kills are basic frigates, shoutles, capsules etc.
Every time we engaged you got slaughtered (Like in this video.).
But I am not complaining. Keep fighting us I am glad you're up here
Originally by: pHASE 11
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:49:49
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:25:00
Originally by: Presidio
<..cut..>
I counted your losses and I found
<..cut..>
Counting from one month back.
BoB kill list
155 registered BoB kills of [GODS] members since 4th october
Only 72 of these losses are registered on the PA kill site.
PA kill list
EDIT: I admit I took the obvious bait. Enough of this "mine is bigger than yours"...
In the count I provided I only used kills from both sites (not losses), because we can both agree that our loss count on both sites is inaccurate. However if you count kills on both sites you should get a pretty accurate picture.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 16:45:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 17:08:07
Originally by: Presidio
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 14:58:07
Originally by: pHASE 11
Originally by: Presidio
This is why I am of oppinion that BNC is really not helping BoB's cause. As they seem to contribute more to our kills than to our losses.
killboard
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships. 395 of your kills are basic frigates, shoutles, capsules etc.
Every time we engaged you got slaughtered (Like in this video.).
But I am not complaining. Keep fighting us I am glad you're up here
Originally by: pHASE 11
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:49:49
Edited by: pHASE 11 on 03/11/2004 15:25:00
Originally by: Presidio
<..cut..>
I counted your losses and I found
<..cut..>
Counting from one month back.
BoB kill list
155 registered BoB kills of [GODS] members since 4th october
Only 72 of these losses are registered on the PA kill site.
PA kill list
EDIT: I admit I took the obvious bait. Enough of this "mine is bigger than yours"...
In the count I provided I only used kills from both sites (not losses), because we can both agree that our loss count on both sites is inaccurate. However if you count kills on both sites you should get a pretty accurate picture.
-
"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Serak Tur
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:00:00 -
[217]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
I thought it was really funny when we killed three of your BS yesterday in BKG and only lost 1 frigate. The funny part was that we lost that frigate to friendly fire! 
-Serak Tur
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Serak Tur
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:00:00 -
[218]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
I thought it was really funny when we killed three of your BS yesterday in BKG and only lost 1 frigate. The funny part was that we lost that frigate to friendly fire!
-Serak Tur
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Damith
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:14:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Serak Tur
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
I thought it was really funny when we killed three of your BS yesterday in BKG and only lost 1 frigate. The funny part was that we lost that frigate to friendly fire!
-Serak Tur
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Damith
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:14:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Serak Tur
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Zarks
Yeah, good fight yesterday, creds to all involved and NO smack before/during or afterwards.
Was indeed a good fight. funny part was:
2004.11.02 20:18:00
Victim: Crimson Djinn
Corporation: Cutting Edge Incorporated
Destroyed Type: Scorpion
Solar System: H-PA29
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Zarks (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 3.5
Corporation: Bladerunners
Ship Type: Armageddon
Weapon Type: Mega Pulse Laser I
-- rest of ppl involved snipped --
hehe
I thought it was really funny when we killed three of your BS yesterday in BKG and only lost 1 frigate. The funny part was that we lost that frigate to friendly fire!
-Serak Tur
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:20:00 -
[221]
Please no more posts about signatures.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:20:00 -
[222]
Please no more posts about signatures.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
O'Ren I'Shii
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:46:00 -
[223]
The devils greatest of trick was making man think he didnt exist. LOL @ Evol
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O'Ren I'Shii
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:46:00 -
[224]
The devils greatest of trick was making man think he didnt exist. LOL @ Evol
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:49:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Heliodor Mordureau on 03/11/2004 17:54:50
The force that fought you was BNC, with about 3-5 norad members included. At the end of the battle, we were the ones still standing in the battleground, your fleet had left. We had achieved our objective, you did not. It was a respectable battle, so please don't belittle it by trying to be coy.
My points are as follows:
BNC have a strict policy against smacktalk.
Uther in his first post had commented on GODS taking a station and renaming it something offensive towards an individual BNC player.
BNC has been in the Northern War since the beginning, and as such, have proven we have commitment to be here until the end.
BNC are a proven PVP corp, regardless of your attempts to slander us.
If you and your corp lightened up on the smack, I'm pretty sure it would be easier for BOB not to respond in kind, keeping in mind however, I can only speak for BNC as BOB is just an association of pvpers and not an de jure alliance.
No where in any of the previous posts has BNC complained about losses, complained about fighting, or complained about anything other than the level of smack GODS seems intent on dumping on us. We are here because we love to fight, and cuz RKK are good buddies of us. We are here til the end gentlemen, wether you like it or not.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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Heliodor Mordureau
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Posted - 2004.11.03 17:49:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Heliodor Mordureau on 03/11/2004 17:54:50
The force that fought you was BNC, with about 3-5 norad members included. At the end of the battle, we were the ones still standing in the battleground, your fleet had left. We had achieved our objective, you did not. It was a respectable battle, so please don't belittle it by trying to be coy.
My points are as follows:
BNC have a strict policy against smacktalk.
Uther in his first post had commented on GODS taking a station and renaming it something offensive towards an individual BNC player.
BNC has been in the Northern War since the beginning, and as such, have proven we have commitment to be here until the end.
BNC are a proven PVP corp, regardless of your attempts to slander us.
If you and your corp lightened up on the smack, I'm pretty sure it would be easier for BOB not to respond in kind, keeping in mind however, I can only speak for BNC as BOB is just an association of pvpers and not an de jure alliance.
No where in any of the previous posts has BNC complained about losses, complained about fighting, or complained about anything other than the level of smack GODS seems intent on dumping on us. We are here because we love to fight, and cuz RKK are good buddies of us. We are here til the end gentlemen, wether you like it or not.
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Look mate, if it's smack you want then I'll start sending Rohann into your Alliance chat everyday for a week.
-DB Preacher
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:14:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
hmm i remeber that nite well, why you may ask because it was my first major enagment and the reason behind it, previous fights had usualy been camping ec-p in my apoc or patrolling PB in my rifter ( oh the memories ).
We where waiting for any THEMM mebers in the border after the previous nites incurtion to kill THEMM we had word of a NORAD fleet ( and no it wasnt just BNC) just lacked any THEMM, we puled back to get intell on your forces which we found out was just higher then ours then one of our guys accidentaly jumps in from the other side.
SO the order comes to warp in and engage as we dont leave ppl behind in GODS, found out about EW and target jamming that day since i was jammed guessing from the BB and one of the scorps (heck 1.5mill skill points ya still learning ).
The hostile megathron (NORAD) goes down, stoop or krulls is dog fighting a crow and our guy who accidentaly jumped is clear so the order to pull out is given with no losses at this time, i get out alittle late because of the horrid missile bounce you got then in structure, and presedio states hes scrabled in his scorp which is the GODS BS that you guys end up taking down.
We got a fight which is mainly what we wanted, but we didnt get any revenge on THEMM which we wanted more but with non present in your fleet there wouldnt be, we was happy with the outcome, I log off because its like 4 am or somethig my time, log on next morning get an escort out of syndicate and here thta NORAD and GODS had made some ceasefire.
So please dont try to rewrite history.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:14:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Sorry I'm replying so late but I'm building a new computer and as such don't have to time to chatter on the forums, which I save for work...
Anyways, Presidio, I said in the first four months of the war BNC was never on the boards, don't know where you got the last four months from when it clearly states the above.
As for this being the first time you have met us, didn't you bring a GODS fleet down to NORAD in an attempt to engage a fledgling THEMM Corp? Didn't you end up scrapping it out with a BNC fleet who you lost to? It was a good fight, and I know you were there cuz I was in the crow that warp scrambled you..
So to accuse us of not contributing to BOB reaks highly of some sort of attempt at a subtle insinuation that BNC doesn't make the cut. In that case I might suggest since GODS is the PA corp most frequently killed perhaps you should take your own advice?
hmm i remeber that nite well, why you may ask because it was my first major enagment and the reason behind it, previous fights had usualy been camping ec-p in my apoc or patrolling PB in my rifter ( oh the memories ).
We where waiting for any THEMM mebers in the border after the previous nites incurtion to kill THEMM we had word of a NORAD fleet ( and no it wasnt just BNC) just lacked any THEMM, we puled back to get intell on your forces which we found out was just higher then ours then one of our guys accidentaly jumps in from the other side.
SO the order comes to warp in and engage as we dont leave ppl behind in GODS, found out about EW and target jamming that day since i was jammed guessing from the BB and one of the scorps (heck 1.5mill skill points ya still learning ).
The hostile megathron (NORAD) goes down, stoop or krulls is dog fighting a crow and our guy who accidentaly jumped is clear so the order to pull out is given with no losses at this time, i get out alittle late because of the horrid missile bounce you got then in structure, and presedio states hes scrabled in his scorp which is the GODS BS that you guys end up taking down.
We got a fight which is mainly what we wanted, but we didnt get any revenge on THEMM which we wanted more but with non present in your fleet there wouldnt be, we was happy with the outcome, I log off because its like 4 am or somethig my time, log on next morning get an escort out of syndicate and here thta NORAD and GODS had made some ceasefire.
So please dont try to rewrite history.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:40:00 -
[229]
Originally by: pHASE 11
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
That is because, in its current form, the BoB killboard gives false information when checking the kill/loss ratio of a BoB corp.
I will explain with an example, like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
BoB lost 6 Bships, PA lost 3 Bships, this is 100% accurate according to your own killboard.
How does this engagement reflect in each involved BoB corp kill/loss ratio?
Bjugiz died at the hands of RKK and BNC pilots
Dethanor and Kerberus died at the hands of RKK, BNC and EVOL pilots
BoB losses were:
1 rkk: Madhawk
2 bnc: Captain Fringe and DoctorGonzo
3 evol: Shrike, Burner and Fattus
Well, first for the BoB deaths:
1 RKK death
2 BNC deaths
3 EVOL deaths
so, if I don't add the kills, their ratio until now is:
RKK: 0-1
BNC: 0-2
EVOL: 0-3
But it is only fair that now I add their kills in the same way that the BoB killboard does, that is, if your corp appears in the killmail, no matter if it is final blow or not, your corp gets one kill.
So it would become:
RKK: 3-1
BNC: 3-2
EVOL: 2-3
Doesn't look like much of a victory now does it? Definitely doesn't look like 6-3, rather like 6-8 for BoB...
So thank you Phase11 for proving me right when I asked dimensionZ to fix his very nice killboard by only including as a BoB corp's kills those in which that corp has dealt the final blow, if that is not done then the kills are multiplied by the number of BoB corps involved and this completely destroys the statistic purpose of an otherwise excellent killboard.
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:40:00 -
[230]
Originally by: pHASE 11
Yes atm only 815 PA kills against 213 BNC losses. Don't worry we will soon get a better ratio.
That is because, in its current form, the BoB killboard gives false information when checking the kill/loss ratio of a BoB corp.
I will explain with an example, like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
BoB lost 6 Bships, PA lost 3 Bships, this is 100% accurate according to your own killboard.
How does this engagement reflect in each involved BoB corp kill/loss ratio?
Bjugiz died at the hands of RKK and BNC pilots
Dethanor and Kerberus died at the hands of RKK, BNC and EVOL pilots
BoB losses were:
1 rkk: Madhawk
2 bnc: Captain Fringe and DoctorGonzo
3 evol: Shrike, Burner and Fattus
Well, first for the BoB deaths:
1 RKK death
2 BNC deaths
3 EVOL deaths
so, if I don't add the kills, their ratio until now is:
RKK: 0-1
BNC: 0-2
EVOL: 0-3
But it is only fair that now I add their kills in the same way that the BoB killboard does, that is, if your corp appears in the killmail, no matter if it is final blow or not, your corp gets one kill.
So it would become:
RKK: 3-1
BNC: 3-2
EVOL: 2-3
Doesn't look like much of a victory now does it? Definitely doesn't look like 6-3, rather like 6-8 for BoB...
So thank you Phase11 for proving me right when I asked dimensionZ to fix his very nice killboard by only including as a BoB corp's kills those in which that corp has dealt the final blow, if that is not done then the kills are multiplied by the number of BoB corps involved and this completely destroys the statistic purpose of an otherwise excellent killboard.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:51:00 -
[231]
Quote:
like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
From what I heard it was your 9 battleships that attacked our 6 battleships at the gate.
and 2 of our battleships arrived too late.
I have never been in a fight where Evolution lost with even numbers against PA.
I remember a 4vs4 against your corporation, where you lost 2 battleships, and we lost nothing. that was in d-8 I believe.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 18:51:00 -
[232]
Quote:
like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
From what I heard it was your 9 battleships that attacked our 6 battleships at the gate.
and 2 of our battleships arrived too late.
I have never been in a fight where Evolution lost with even numbers against PA.
I remember a 4vs4 against your corporation, where you lost 2 battleships, and we lost nothing. that was in d-8 I believe.
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DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:12:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Presidio
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
You need to learn how to count or are you confusing the numbers 38 with 97, which is actually the number of PA Battleship kills we've participated in since leaving NORAD.
Originally by: Presidio
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships.
So if we do the maths right we actually have a 3-1 BS kill to loss ratio. Also before we left NORAD we wiped out Riders of Rohann and destroyed RONA Corporation in Empire, none of this appears on any kill board. So you're right we can't be helping BoB's cause at all
Black Nova Corporation COO |
DoctorGonzo
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:12:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Presidio
It's more like 258 losses (See here). Out of that big number you have killed 38 battleships, also those include participation kills (with evol and the old kills with m0o).
You need to learn how to count or are you confusing the numbers 38 with 97, which is actually the number of PA Battleship kills we've participated in since leaving NORAD.
Originally by: Presidio
I counted your losses and I found 34 BNC battleships destroyed in that list (since we started tracking kills, which is few months after you did). It is clear that you have lost more than you have killed in battleships.
So if we do the maths right we actually have a 3-1 BS kill to loss ratio. Also before we left NORAD we wiped out Riders of Rohann and destroyed RONA Corporation in Empire, none of this appears on any kill board. So you're right we can't be helping BoB's cause at all
Black Nova Corporation COO |
Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:16:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 19:26:45
Originally by: TWD
Quote:
like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
From what I heard it was your 9 battleships that attacked our 6 battleships at the gate.
and 2 of our battleships arrived too late.
This is our fleet composition for that day:
Lene Jones - Tempest
Kerberus - Raven
Dethanor - Scorpion
Hellek - Apocalypse
Kronarty - Apocalypse
Perforator - Scorpion
Bjugiz - Raven
Zantiago - Thorax
Henry Case - Moa
Mindblank - Taranis
Hashi Lebwohl - Taranis
That is, 7 Battleships, 2 Cruisers, 2 Interceptors
That against your 6 dead Battleships plus:
Grimster - Rupture
Gwenny - Interceptor (not sure which one)
Morealis - Raven (or scorp?, can't confirm)
DimensionZ - Armageddon
AND one unknown.
So we had 7 PA battleships against 8 BoB battleships. Although I suspect Morealis crashed and had to relog mid battle. So let's settle for equal Battleship numbers, okay?
Quote:
I have never been in a fight where Evolution lost with even numbers against PA.
You should have been in this one then... But you were logged off in same system.
And in case you have any doubts about equal numbers:
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:41 ] Shrike > sooooooooo
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:47 ] Shrike > 11 PA in local.
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:51 ] Shrike > and 11 of us in local
[ 2004.11.01 22:08:19 ] Shrike > What are you blaiming this time?
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Kronarty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:16:00 -
[236]
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/11/2004 19:26:45
Originally by: TWD
Quote:
like this monday's 11v11 engagement:
From what I heard it was your 9 battleships that attacked our 6 battleships at the gate.
and 2 of our battleships arrived too late.
This is our fleet composition for that day:
Lene Jones - Tempest
Kerberus - Raven
Dethanor - Scorpion
Hellek - Apocalypse
Kronarty - Apocalypse
Perforator - Scorpion
Bjugiz - Raven
Zantiago - Thorax
Henry Case - Moa
Mindblank - Taranis
Hashi Lebwohl - Taranis
That is, 7 Battleships, 2 Cruisers, 2 Interceptors
That against your 6 dead Battleships plus:
Grimster - Rupture
Gwenny - Interceptor (not sure which one)
Morealis - Raven (or scorp?, can't confirm)
DimensionZ - Armageddon
AND one unknown.
So we had 7 PA battleships against 8 BoB battleships. Although I suspect Morealis crashed and had to relog mid battle. So let's settle for equal Battleship numbers, okay?
Quote:
I have never been in a fight where Evolution lost with even numbers against PA.
You should have been in this one then... But you were logged off in same system.
And in case you have any doubts about equal numbers:
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:41 ] Shrike > sooooooooo
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:47 ] Shrike > 11 PA in local.
[ 2004.11.01 22:07:51 ] Shrike > and 11 of us in local
[ 2004.11.01 22:08:19 ] Shrike > What are you blaiming this time?
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:51:00 -
[237]
Edited by: TWD on 03/11/2004 20:20:57
Edited by: TWD on 03/11/2004 19:54:30
Quote:
You should have been in this one then... But you were logged off in same system.
I was alone, and saw no action around Venal, so logged off. and fyi I didn't log off in the VG- system where the fight happend. not that it matters much.
If I knew that this fight would happen later on, I would have ofcourse taken part in it.
I have been in many fights, and those are the reason I play the game
I do find your story a bit hard too believe, because in my experience PA avoids fighting equal numbers, which is perfectly understandable. But I wasn't there.
Congratulations on winning a battle. hope to fight you guys soonish. |
TWD
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Posted - 2004.11.03 19:51:00 -
[238]
Edited by: TWD on 03/11/2004 20:20:57
Edited by: TWD on 03/11/2004 19:54:30
Quote:
You should have been in this one then... But you were logged off in same system.
I was alone, and saw no action around Venal, so logged off. and fyi I didn't log off in the VG- system where the fight happend. not that it matters much.
If I knew that this fight would happen later on, I would have ofcourse taken part in it.
I have been in many fights, and those are the reason I play the game
I do find your story a bit hard too believe, because in my experience PA avoids fighting equal numbers, which is perfectly understandable. But I wasn't there.
Congratulations on winning a battle. hope to fight you guys soonish. |
juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:04:00 -
[239]
I can confirm he headed toward BKG with there main convey, should know was scouting there ship types/pilots
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:04:00 -
[240]
I can confirm he headed toward BKG with there main convey, should know was scouting there ship types/pilots
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:29:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 20:32:47
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Edited by: Heliodor Mordureau on 03/11/2004 17:54:50
The force that fought you was BNC, with about 3-5 norad members included. At the end of the battle, we were the ones still standing in the battleground, your fleet had left. We had achieved our objective, you did not. It was a respectable battle, so please don't belittle it by trying to be coy.
My points are as follows:
BNC have a strict policy against smacktalk.
Uther in his first post had commented on GODS taking a station and renaming it something offensive towards an individual BNC player.
BNC has been in the Northern War since the beginning, and as such, have proven we have commitment to be here until the end.
BNC are a proven PVP corp, regardless of your attempts to slander us.
If you and your corp lightened up on the smack, I'm pretty sure it would be easier for BOB not to respond in kind, keeping in mind however, I can only speak for BNC as BOB is just an association of pvpers and not an de jure alliance.
No where in any of the previous posts has BNC complained about losses, complained about fighting, or complained about anything other than the level of smack GODS seems intent on dumping on us. We are here because we love to fight, and cuz RKK are good buddies of us. We are here til the end gentlemen, wether you like it or not.
Nice backstroking. First you said you won that battle. And if you didn't know, outnumbering someone doesn't mean you win. Wins or losses are measured in kills as far as I am concerned. So I would call that battle a draw. Even though we inflicted more damage by destroying a more expensive ship.
I demonstrated that BNC came in this conflict by smacktalking (Rohann), I demonstrated that your CEO has smacketalked to us on forums even when not provoked (Blacklight). I also demonstrated that you are hurting BoB's kill to loss ratio. All this just because you asked for it. By calling us cheaters, smacktalkers and weak. Feel free to read the thread again if you're not sure.
I am glad you are here to fight us till the end. But next time you try boasting about your corp or smacktalking mine, know that I will be there to prove you wrong.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:29:00 -
[242]
Edited by: Presidio on 03/11/2004 20:32:47
Originally by: Heliodor Mordureau
Edited by: Heliodor Mordureau on 03/11/2004 17:54:50
The force that fought you was BNC, with about 3-5 norad members included. At the end of the battle, we were the ones still standing in the battleground, your fleet had left. We had achieved our objective, you did not. It was a respectable battle, so please don't belittle it by trying to be coy.
My points are as follows:
BNC have a strict policy against smacktalk.
Uther in his first post had commented on GODS taking a station and renaming it something offensive towards an individual BNC player.
BNC has been in the Northern War since the beginning, and as such, have proven we have commitment to be here until the end.
BNC are a proven PVP corp, regardless of your attempts to slander us.
If you and your corp lightened up on the smack, I'm pretty sure it would be easier for BOB not to respond in kind, keeping in mind however, I can only speak for BNC as BOB is just an association of pvpers and not an de jure alliance.
No where in any of the previous posts has BNC complained about losses, complained about fighting, or complained about anything other than the level of smack GODS seems intent on dumping on us. We are here because we love to fight, and cuz RKK are good buddies of us. We are here til the end gentlemen, wether you like it or not.
Nice backstroking. First you said you won that battle. And if you didn't know, outnumbering someone doesn't mean you win. Wins or losses are measured in kills as far as I am concerned. So I would call that battle a draw. Even though we inflicted more damage by destroying a more expensive ship.
I demonstrated that BNC came in this conflict by smacktalking (Rohann), I demonstrated that your CEO has smacketalked to us on forums even when not provoked (Blacklight). I also demonstrated that you are hurting BoB's kill to loss ratio. All this just because you asked for it. By calling us cheaters, smacktalkers and weak. Feel free to read the thread again if you're not sure.
I am glad you are here to fight us till the end. But next time you try boasting about your corp or smacktalking mine, know that I will be there to prove you wrong.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:58:00 -
[243]
The old "you smacktalked us" "we wtfpwnbbq'd you" is getting old - last night's fight in H-PA was about the most fun I've had in just short of a year in EvE.
Let's just get on with doing that stuff, it was sooo cool.
Toodle pip.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2004.11.03 20:58:00 -
[244]
The old "you smacktalked us" "we wtfpwnbbq'd you" is getting old - last night's fight in H-PA was about the most fun I've had in just short of a year in EvE.
Let's just get on with doing that stuff, it was sooo cool.
Toodle pip.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 21:01:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Grimster
The old "you smacktalked us" "we wtfpwnbbq'd you" is getting old - last night's fight in H-PA was about the most fun I've had in just short of a year in EvE.
Let's just get on with doing that stuff, it was sooo cool.
Toodle pip.
that fight was laggy was passing through and my screen didnt load/unfreeze till i had warped half way across 9-266........
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.11.03 21:01:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Grimster
The old "you smacktalked us" "we wtfpwnbbq'd you" is getting old - last night's fight in H-PA was about the most fun I've had in just short of a year in EvE.
Let's just get on with doing that stuff, it was sooo cool.
Toodle pip.
that fight was laggy was passing through and my screen didnt load/unfreeze till i had warped half way across 9-266........
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 21:22:00 -
[247]
I had good fps and hardly any lag, I reckon its to do with peoples computers to.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.03 21:22:00 -
[248]
I had good fps and hardly any lag, I reckon its to do with peoples computers to.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.11.04 02:39:00 -
[249]
Just FYI, the GMs do care what is posted on the station names =). I have recieved a few mails, and im sure you guys have too. Ive seen some nice ones and petitioned them myself. Mainly calling our alliance "p0l3sm0k3rs", or claiming that we
"smoke the pole".
So it happens on both sides. Smack talk happens on both sides. "Log in traps" happen in both sides. We are all guilty of what we accuse each other of. Im willing to accept that. Are you?
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.11.04 02:39:00 -
[250]
Just FYI, the GMs do care what is posted on the station names =). I have recieved a few mails, and im sure you guys have too. Ive seen some nice ones and petitioned them myself. Mainly calling our alliance "p0l3sm0k3rs", or claiming that we
"smoke the pole".
So it happens on both sides. Smack talk happens on both sides. "Log in traps" happen in both sides. We are all guilty of what we accuse each other of. Im willing to accept that. Are you?
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.11.04 05:21:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Stoop
"Log in traps" happen in both sides. We are all guilty of what we accuse each other of. Im willing to accept that. Are you?
There's a fair bit of difference between
1) People doing agent missions and logging in for some action when they hear "FIGHT FIGHT!!!" on TS, which everyone does, and
2) [ 2004.11.03 07:47:21 ] KrullDari > Shirke btw, well play the way we want to play that ****es yo off most, so , um, logging till u come back to staion ..
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2004.11.04 05:21:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Stoop
"Log in traps" happen in both sides. We are all guilty of what we accuse each other of. Im willing to accept that. Are you?
There's a fair bit of difference between
1) People doing agent missions and logging in for some action when they hear "FIGHT FIGHT!!!" on TS, which everyone does, and
2) [ 2004.11.03 07:47:21 ] KrullDari > Shirke btw, well play the way we want to play that ****es yo off most, so , um, logging till u come back to staion ..
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.11.04 05:40:00 -
[253]
Krullz has a billion accounts to play. He can do agent missions also. And just because you think thats what Krullz does, it does not apply to everyone.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.11.04 05:40:00 -
[254]
Krullz has a billion accounts to play. He can do agent missions also. And just because you think thats what Krullz does, it does not apply to everyone.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.11.04 08:30:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Estarriol
There's a fair bit of difference between
1) People doing agent missions and logging in for some action when they hear "FIGHT FIGHT!!!" on TS, which everyone does, and
2) [ 2004.11.03 07:47:21 ] KrullDari > Shirke btw, well play the way we want to play that ****es yo off most, so , um, logging till u come back to staion ..
Now it's getting interesting imho. To a certain extent I agree with you estarriol. But then again that only handles intent, something you can always bull**** about.
And my opinion is that I couldn't care less about the other guys reasons. It still ****s you up everytime you've made a good scouting job and somehow end up being shagged by people who log on.
IMHO we'd see alot more fleet battles if that couldn't happen because it's all fine and dandy until you get this:
- Hey, I think they have 4-5bs logged off in this system
- Uhm, feck, do you have any names
- Not sure but I think it's bla bla bla..
- Ok, those are not online right now, let's wait abit and see if we can get reinforcements.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.11.04 08:30:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Estarriol
There's a fair bit of difference between
1) People doing agent missions and logging in for some action when they hear "FIGHT FIGHT!!!" on TS, which everyone does, and
2) [ 2004.11.03 07:47:21 ] KrullDari > Shirke btw, well play the way we want to play that ****es yo off most, so , um, logging till u come back to staion ..
Now it's getting interesting imho. To a certain extent I agree with you estarriol. But then again that only handles intent, something you can always bull**** about.
And my opinion is that I couldn't care less about the other guys reasons. It still ****s you up everytime you've made a good scouting job and somehow end up being shagged by people who log on.
IMHO we'd see alot more fleet battles if that couldn't happen because it's all fine and dandy until you get this:
- Hey, I think they have 4-5bs logged off in this system
- Uhm, feck, do you have any names
- Not sure but I think it's bla bla bla..
- Ok, those are not online right now, let's wait abit and see if we can get reinforcements.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:22:00 -
[257]
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:22:00 -
[258]
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
This is not a hijack
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:04:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
lol.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:04:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
lol.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:51:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
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a history |
Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:51:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
¼©¼
a history |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:25:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
I'll still take my Lian without balls pls
But I will take her with whipcream, leather and fuzzy handcuffs
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:25:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: Lianhaun
The best insult I ever had was that I had no balls.
For some strange reason that made me giggle, alot.
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
I'll still take my Lian without balls pls
But I will take her with whipcream, leather and fuzzy handcuffs
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:38:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Riddari
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
I'm not seeing balls. "The twins", "The little guys", or "My little friends" maybe.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:38:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Riddari
Balls can in some languages both mean the ******* part and the bosom part...
I'm not seeing balls. "The twins", "The little guys", or "My little friends" maybe.
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