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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:06:00 -
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For some time the PA has been at war with an alliance now know as ôBobö and for just as long a time weÆve all watched on theses forums the arguments and insults as they are tossed back and forth. I thought I would take this opportunity to post a summery of the situation in venal.
First thing first, IÆm posting under and alt, IÆd post under my main but IÆm not going to be the first target in a fleet battle and IÆm not going to be called a turn coat if something I say rubs someone the wrong way. I want to put the facts out there as much as possible so IÆm tossing aside my name and reputation, I understand that some will automatically disregard what I have to say because of it but I hope that most of you will be able to read this for what it is.
Life in Venal and Branch goes something like this; PA members own most of the offices and have greater numbers most of the time. But when it comes to PvP experience the PA has the weaker position. Among itÆs ranks are a large number of good PvPers that are willing to fight but Bob is here to PvP and thatÆs it. They donÆt have mining ops, they donÆt NPC hunt (there are exceptions but IÆd say 90% of their time is hunting players) and as such are able to roam around looking for targets rather than defend their own soft targets.
The majority of the PA membership has split into two groups, one that logs on each day and looks to join the nearest gang, and the other that logs on willing to join a gang and fight but looking to mine or NPC if they can.
Over the last few months PA members have become quite adept at avoiding Bob when their gank squads come by, H-PA, P-V, and 6NJ are all home to people whom mine and NPC everyday but have an extensive list of safe spots.
Does this speak badly about them? Yes and no. Depends on your situation. If you look upon Eve as a space battle sim then youÆre sure to look down on these actions, but if you see eve as an economic and political sim then youÆll see the advantages to staying alive. No mater how you look at it these pilots are staying alive.
Large fleet battles arenÆt happening like they did at the beginning of the war for a number of reasons; many of them are because of game mechanics. 9 time out of 10 if one side significantly outnumbers the other the smaller side will safespot and wait it out, this goes for both PA and Bob, itÆs a simple numbers game most of the time. If the numbers are even a lot more depends on the situation, most of the time both will set at a safe spot and have their frigs try to find an easy gank, if they get one they all jump in and out to get the kill then get safe.
Bob will lead in kills most of the time because they have groups of 2-10 pilots moving around trying to kill indys or solo PA members mining, NPCing or just trying to move around, after months of war these kills are low over all but still number a dozen or so a day.
IÆm sure these tactics arenÆt limited to the PA/Bob but I thought IÆd explain them.
So the future of the northern systems? Unknown. The PA member ship is devoted and long standing. The departure of RONA and CE was taken rather hard even if it was expected. They have been talking about going for a long time but would put it off till later because they where needed at the moment. A lot of people where sad to see them go.
The PA membership is still committed to their space but the said truth is they canÆt secure it. This isnÆt necessarily a negative mark on them but I would say a negative mark on the game, something that Shiva will improve on but not fix. People can set in safe spots till you log off for the night then do what ever they want so unless you have a strong member ship all the time to bore them out of your space they will do as they wish.
This is the exact reason why Bob hasnÆt won, they may have the longer PvP resume but they canÆt force a fight if another pilot doesnÆt want to and most members of the PA have the skills to avoid a fight unless they know they can win.
For the time being Venal will stay hostile no mater who you are, PA, Bob and neutral alike will have someone shooting at them.
WeÆll all find out how this ends over the next month.
And let me save the mods some time, please be nice I'm
interested in conversation, not smack.
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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:06:00 -
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For some time the PA has been at war with an alliance now know as ôBobö and for just as long a time weÆve all watched on theses forums the arguments and insults as they are tossed back and forth. I thought I would take this opportunity to post a summery of the situation in venal.
First thing first, IÆm posting under and alt, IÆd post under my main but IÆm not going to be the first target in a fleet battle and IÆm not going to be called a turn coat if something I say rubs someone the wrong way. I want to put the facts out there as much as possible so IÆm tossing aside my name and reputation, I understand that some will automatically disregard what I have to say because of it but I hope that most of you will be able to read this for what it is.
Life in Venal and Branch goes something like this; PA members own most of the offices and have greater numbers most of the time. But when it comes to PvP experience the PA has the weaker position. Among itÆs ranks are a large number of good PvPers that are willing to fight but Bob is here to PvP and thatÆs it. They donÆt have mining ops, they donÆt NPC hunt (there are exceptions but IÆd say 90% of their time is hunting players) and as such are able to roam around looking for targets rather than defend their own soft targets.
The majority of the PA membership has split into two groups, one that logs on each day and looks to join the nearest gang, and the other that logs on willing to join a gang and fight but looking to mine or NPC if they can.
Over the last few months PA members have become quite adept at avoiding Bob when their gank squads come by, H-PA, P-V, and 6NJ are all home to people whom mine and NPC everyday but have an extensive list of safe spots.
Does this speak badly about them? Yes and no. Depends on your situation. If you look upon Eve as a space battle sim then youÆre sure to look down on these actions, but if you see eve as an economic and political sim then youÆll see the advantages to staying alive. No mater how you look at it these pilots are staying alive.
Large fleet battles arenÆt happening like they did at the beginning of the war for a number of reasons; many of them are because of game mechanics. 9 time out of 10 if one side significantly outnumbers the other the smaller side will safespot and wait it out, this goes for both PA and Bob, itÆs a simple numbers game most of the time. If the numbers are even a lot more depends on the situation, most of the time both will set at a safe spot and have their frigs try to find an easy gank, if they get one they all jump in and out to get the kill then get safe.
Bob will lead in kills most of the time because they have groups of 2-10 pilots moving around trying to kill indys or solo PA members mining, NPCing or just trying to move around, after months of war these kills are low over all but still number a dozen or so a day.
IÆm sure these tactics arenÆt limited to the PA/Bob but I thought IÆd explain them.
So the future of the northern systems? Unknown. The PA member ship is devoted and long standing. The departure of RONA and CE was taken rather hard even if it was expected. They have been talking about going for a long time but would put it off till later because they where needed at the moment. A lot of people where sad to see them go.
The PA membership is still committed to their space but the said truth is they canÆt secure it. This isnÆt necessarily a negative mark on them but I would say a negative mark on the game, something that Shiva will improve on but not fix. People can set in safe spots till you log off for the night then do what ever they want so unless you have a strong member ship all the time to bore them out of your space they will do as they wish.
This is the exact reason why Bob hasnÆt won, they may have the longer PvP resume but they canÆt force a fight if another pilot doesnÆt want to and most members of the PA have the skills to avoid a fight unless they know they can win.
For the time being Venal will stay hostile no mater who you are, PA, Bob and neutral alike will have someone shooting at them.
WeÆll all find out how this ends over the next month.
And let me save the mods some time, please be nice I'm
interested in conversation, not smack.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:34:00 -
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so who is going to have a harder time without safespots in exodus? those who fight to live, or those who live to fight?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:34:00 -
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so who is going to have a harder time without safespots in exodus? those who fight to live, or those who live to fight?
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:52:00 -
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Pretty damn accurate though I'm not sure about PA having greater numbers most of the time. Its been pretty hard to find targets around the PA home systems.
As for who will be better off in Shiva its hard to say. I'd guess shiva will help those who fight to live, more than those who live to fight. POS will bring back the economic penalty that was taken away with the introduction of insurance.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:52:00 -
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Pretty damn accurate though I'm not sure about PA having greater numbers most of the time. Its been pretty hard to find targets around the PA home systems.
As for who will be better off in Shiva its hard to say. I'd guess shiva will help those who fight to live, more than those who live to fight. POS will bring back the economic penalty that was taken away with the introduction of insurance.
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Zeus
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:54:00 -
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Good post, accurate in most respects.
Although from my point of view pa no longer outnumbers us like they did and branch spends 85% of the time under BoB control I will comment no further.
Poster gets my respect even though its a alt. 
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Zeus
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Posted - 2004.11.02 04:54:00 -
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Good post, accurate in most respects.
Although from my point of view pa no longer outnumbers us like they did and branch spends 85% of the time under BoB control I will comment no further.
Poster gets my respect even though its a alt.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 05:55:00 -
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Id say that was an accurate post exept for PA holding more numbers.
At any rate, is PA as an alliance ready to submit itself to a life of "duck and cover?" I know you can look at the map, you ss when we are 7 jumps away. But do you also notice the massive and numerous blobs spread accross other regions like deklein/fountain/cloud ring/the various curse and stain regions?
The rest of eve are busy mining like there is no tomorrow, just imagine what it must feel like to mine with more then 5 or 6 people and 2 haulers...and not even think twice about getting attacked. LOL just think the only thing you would have to worry about is how to split the ore between 8 people?  . Christ NSA and RONA all have web calculators and what not dedicated to that.
You are wasting your time "trying" to npc hunt and "trying" to mine. Is this the existance they promised you? kill some guristas...while watching map...oh ****, blob in 9-2.....SAFEPOT GUYS THEY COULD BE 1 JUMP OUT!!!!! you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....if it were up to me id leave you guys alone until shiva came so we would have 100 POS to blow up. Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.02 05:55:00 -
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Id say that was an accurate post exept for PA holding more numbers.
At any rate, is PA as an alliance ready to submit itself to a life of "duck and cover?" I know you can look at the map, you ss when we are 7 jumps away. But do you also notice the massive and numerous blobs spread accross other regions like deklein/fountain/cloud ring/the various curse and stain regions?
The rest of eve are busy mining like there is no tomorrow, just imagine what it must feel like to mine with more then 5 or 6 people and 2 haulers...and not even think twice about getting attacked. LOL just think the only thing you would have to worry about is how to split the ore between 8 people? . Christ NSA and RONA all have web calculators and what not dedicated to that.
You are wasting your time "trying" to npc hunt and "trying" to mine. Is this the existance they promised you? kill some guristas...while watching map...oh ****, blob in 9-2.....SAFEPOT GUYS THEY COULD BE 1 JUMP OUT!!!!! you people even put warp core stabs on frigates with 1 or 2 low slots!
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....if it were up to me id leave you guys alone until shiva came so we would have 100 POS to blow up. Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 06:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
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Presidio
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Posted - 2004.11.02 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Then you have GODS, who sole goal in life is too log on somewhere between 2:00 and 3:45 eve time just to try and take the bkg station. Then rename it to some vulgar homosexual sex action directed at a black nova pilot. How proud the PA must be....
BNC is complaining about getting ganked again. We log on late because we play late. Who cares? I don't remember ever seing anyone complaining about what time a corp logs on. It really makes you look pathetic.
Originally by: Uther Agnoius
Gonna suck to be PA when the entire eve world is at peace playing with pos and you guys are reduced to kill some guristas and loggin when BoB is a 7 jumps away.
I am actually more looking forward to blowing POS-es up.
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"Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive."
Mao Tse-tung
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 07:57:00 -
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Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.11.02 07:57:00 -
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Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Interesting points, I'm not up to date on current events out there.
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HarmLess Alt
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Posted - 2004.11.02 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
Interesting points, I'm not up to date on current events out there.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
1. Surely not, even we knew they would leave 'if this war goes on any longer'
6. Well done but it hardly happens very often tho
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Halseth Durn
Not a bad observation. However, there are exceptions to this that could use a little tweaking:
1. CE leaving the PA was a suprise.
2. PA does not have a large numerical superiority.
3. (personal view)large fleet battles (30+ships) are avoided because flashy side shows are negative fun and Venal/Branch have crap for server support.
4. PA does engage BoB forces when not blobbed. For example: Just today, an 11 ship BoB fleet meets an 11 ship PA fleet in the VG-6CH system. PA fleet attacks BoBs camped position and destroys 6 battleships while losing only 3. Not exactly "avoiding" or forcing anyone to fight.
Back to the good points made, I agree that once exodus does arrive, this game will be turned upside down, and inside out.
1. Surely not, even we knew they would leave 'if this war goes on any longer'
6. Well done but it hardly happens very often tho
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:45:00 -
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We all play this game to have fun, if PA corporations or individuals are not having fun then by all means leave PA or your corp and have fun somewhere else.
If Evolution teaches you anything it is that we can be very patient and very swift depending on the situation. If you want to change your situation, who is going to stop you and why should you listen?
I don't blame PA corporations that want to leave or are thinking about leaving.
This is not a hijack
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.11.02 09:45:00 -
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We all play this game to have fun, if PA corporations or individuals are not having fun then by all means leave PA or your corp and have fun somewhere else.
If Evolution teaches you anything it is that we can be very patient and very swift depending on the situation. If you want to change your situation, who is going to stop you and why should you listen?
I don't blame PA corporations that want to leave or are thinking about leaving.
This is not a hijack
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 02/11/2004 14:31:31
Good post, but I dont think PA really holds any numerical superiority now, certainly not lately.
And worrying about being called as first target or worried someone will flame you if you post as your main? so what man! who gives a flying ****, I dont ive never used an alt, no matter how retarded my post is. If people dont like me its their loss.
I respect people more if they have the courage of their own convictions Never hurts to be heard as yourself.
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Sassinak on 02/11/2004 14:31:31
Good post, but I dont think PA really holds any numerical superiority now, certainly not lately.
And worrying about being called as first target or worried someone will flame you if you post as your main? so what man! who gives a flying ****, I dont ive never used an alt, no matter how retarded my post is. If people dont like me its their loss.
I respect people more if they have the courage of their own convictions Never hurts to be heard as yourself.
Sass
Arcane Technologies |
sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:33:00 -
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No flamming what the hell ? This post sucks 
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:33:00 -
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No flamming what the hell ? This post sucks
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Those new EVOL sigs aren't as cool as the old one but they are funny.
And a target for copyright infringement dudes
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Those new EVOL sigs aren't as cool as the old one but they are funny.
And a target for copyright infringement dudes
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Let's just show off the new siggyline then Sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:40:00 -
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Let's just show off the new siggyline then Sutty
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:43:00 -
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PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2004.11.02 14:43:00 -
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PA does have more numbers, just not more numbers in venal, tenal and branch. Unfortunately.
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