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Theophilas Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.11.02 18:42:00 - [31] Edited by: Theophilas on 02/11/2009 18:45:20 Also, it's too bad the method of reporting kills and losses requires faith in the "honor system"... -------------------------------------------------- Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn.
Bomberlocks Minmatar Icarus Prime	Posted - 2009.11.02 20:36:00 - [32] Originally by: Don Pellegrino Originally by: Bomberlocks I'm just a humble militia pilot, and not a very good one at that, but I would like to say that Star Fraction and its allies stand on the field in the face of such odds made a profound impact on many pilots and I know for a fact that Star Fraction will be getting new recruits as a result of this. I disagree. The fact that they needed to hire (at least to call) so many different mercenary (at least 3) and pirate alliances to help them doesn't make them look good. Also, the shocking number of capital ships they have been losing recently to BS is certainly not a good way to get new recruits. You said: "I would like to say that Star Fraction and its allies stand on the field in the face of such odds [...] " The Amarr fleet had 185 pilots at the highest and local was at ~520. I fail to see how the Amarr was outnumbering Star Fraction/Minmatar Militia/REPO/The Final Stand/Beyond Virginity. Also, someone mentioned that the Amarr's goal was to "take" Kamela. The only goal of that operation was to crush their capitals once again. Their POS itself doesn't mean anything, SF stays on the undock over 75% of the time. The Amarr guys don't care, they don't dock there. You can of course disagree, and there is nothing wrong with that, but personally, knowing the history of the name of The Star Fraction, I see a strength in its ideology that has carried it through many trials where others have failed or given up. I see that expressed in the naming of the new POS with the legend of the Cassini Division and all they stood for. It might mean nothing to you and sound like hypocritical and emotional hogwash, but the legend and the ideology of the Star Fraction and the Cassini Division are older than the faith of the Amarr and new Eden itself, and if it persisted to this new and far away universe, you should perhaps ask yourself why that is.
Jelosavich	Posted - 2009.11.03 05:06:00 - [33] Originally by: ChipMo Allied forces Star Fraction - Damage done - 6487.32M, Recived - 13788.42M BYDI - Unkown Cry Havoc Damage done - 9202.68M, Recived - 1116.08M REPO - Unkown TFS - Damage Done - 1.45B, Recived - 1.58B Dead Terrorists - Unkown Minmatar Millitia Damage done - 7.47B, Damage Recived - 0.71B Combined Damage Done: 24.4 Combined Damage Recived: 26.9Bn Enemy Aggressors Caldari Militia Damage Done - 23826.95M, Damage Recived - 4118.91M Amarr Militia - Damage Done - 11.99B, Damage Recived - 4.04B Violent Society - Damage Done - 7.56B, Damage Recived - 0.33B Combined Damage Done: 41.5 Combined Damage Recived: 8.3Bn Actually, the problem with this type of reporting is that it counts multiply the kills... if A and B go up against C, the numbers can be A 1:1, B 1:1, C 2:1. Each of A and B participated in kills equal to their numbers, but they did not strike the final blow of their numbers. Thus, you can estimate that the actual totals to kills and death are close to both sides losses. Thus, it was about 26.9B ISK damage to 8.3B ISK damage. The numbers are of course off because not all losses are posted, and some losses can also be cross posted, but for the most part the only ones that count as losses for a given killboard are that group's. (Also, I never actually got a lossmail for one of my losses...)
Jakiin	Posted - 2009.11.03 05:16:00 - [34] Indeed, mixed fleet engagements are very difficult to estimate from kill boards unless all involved parties have a very strict policy regarding their members posting all losses, such as the Ghost Festival. Generally one must have data from the battlefield in regards to wreck counts in order to get an accurate idea. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer'
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.03 17:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Bomberlocks You can of course disagree, and there is nothing wrong with that, but personally, knowing the history of the name of The Star Fraction, I see a strength in its ideology that has carried it through many trials where others have failed or given up. I see that expressed in the naming of the new POS with the legend of the Cassini Division and all they stood for. It might mean nothing to you and sound like hypocritical and emotional hogwash, but the legend and the ideology of the Star Fraction and the Cassini Division are older than the faith of the Amarr and new Eden itself, and if it persisted to this new and far away universe, you should perhaps ask yourself why that is. The names are powerful and the imagery is shared dream of the Free Captains and the Matari people. You might be interested to know that we've offered use of the Cassini Division tower to the TLF for the ongoing siege of Kamela. From its position in close proximity to the State Crusade hisec headquarters in Tuomota it can provide many of the same attributes you ascribe to its namesake in mythology. Access codes have been made available to some Matari commanders already and the knowledge should be out there. True Knowledge
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Holy Flying Death Nuns	Posted - 2009.11.04 14:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Merdaneth Hence, I believe this was a victory for the Star Fraction as well. It is indeed quite odd that the all sides are content with the outcome. Don't SAY IT Lord Merdaneth. THIS was NO victory for anarchost ships!!! They were killed in hundreds by Amarr warriors and they cried in locals for hours after.Fortress is broken no star faction ships are seen this past days at all! AMARR VICTOR!!!!
Cix'El'Syd	Posted - 2009.11.04 15:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau [They were killed in hundreds by Amarr warriors and they cried in locals for hours after.Fortress is broken no star faction ships are seen this past days at all! Odd that you say that since the battle report doesn't reflect "hundreds" of losses, unless you account for the losses on ALL SIDES. It's also odd that you make the claim that no Star Fraction ships have been seen the last few days. I've seen fleets of them out and about the war zone every day since that battle. Maybe if you spent more time in the war zone, instead of spewing garbage here, you'd actually know what you're talking about.
D'yanoi	Posted - 2009.11.04 15:57:00 - [38] Hows your sister Claire XXX ? Tell her we miss her dearly.
Zverofaust Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.11.04 17:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau They were killed in hundreds by Amarr warriors and they cried in locals for hours after.Fortress is broken no star faction ships are seen this past days at all! You haven't even been to Kamela in the past 3 days, have you?
fatmanpaul Killed In Action	Posted - 2009.11.05 00:04:00 - [40] It is just one of those strange situations "all sides won". Each had different objectives and value the fight from different perspectives. The escaped slave perspective of this FW participant---gf. I had fun for hours at the event. We are all still talking about it. Medals have been issued, kill mails enjoyed and good laughs for those of us flying with Captain. Again GF Round II, pretty please
T Dave Gallente Core Synthesis Unlimited	Posted - 2009.11.06 08:51:00 - [41] Edited by: T Dave on 06/11/2009 08:51:29 Originally by: Shad0wsFury Star Fraction and friends lost NINE carriers, and one large tower, all of which were probably NOT covered by insurance. Sir, with all due respect, you are emphasising the wrong part of your statement above. The key word I would draw there is not 'NOT', but 'PROBABLY'. I, for one, would like to see your evidence on this lack of insurance. As to the numbers lost, I don't see how restating the admissions of the Cosmopolite and other Freespacer reports of this battle is needed. The Intaki shrugs his shoulders. Still, if it comforts you to believe they weren't insured, then enjoy it. But please don't weaken your fantastical statements with such elements of doubt as 'probably'. Either find conviction and facts in your arguments, or please keep them to yourself. And, on the subject of arguments, I can't help but draw on this: Originally by: Shad0wsFury They will continue to get smacked around by the Amarr Coalition until they leave. The Amarr Coalition is just getting started, and what our enemies saw yesterday was merely a fraction of our potential firepower. So long as Star Fraction remains in the area of operations of the Amarr militia, the Coalition will continue bringing the fight. We have only just begun. Whilst I can admire your desire for blood, death and destruction, I can not help but chuckle at how nonchalantly you support the key strategic point The Cosmopolite raised: Originally by: The Cosmopolite Importantly, the strategic situation has gained clarity in the light of these events. The position of the Amarr militia's propagandists has for many months been that Kamela is of no importance to them and the presence of Star Fraction forces irrelevant to this conflict. This position is now in tatters. So, whilst I congratulate your fighting talk, I'm left chuckling recalling all the times I've heard The Star Fraction referred to as 'irrelevant'. Such an argument will struggle to ever again be anything but laughable. As to the OP - and as others have said - it seems to be a fair and honest assessment of what all have referred to as a truly great battle. I salute all warriors involved, and look forward to seeing how this affair unfolds, confident that the hearts and minds of the Freespace movement remain true, and their spirit burn stronger and brighter than ever.
Nauticaa Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.06 18:36:00 - [42] I know mine was insured for one thing and suspect any of the pilots that knew what they was going into insured theres.
Nauticaa Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.08 11:06:00 - [43] Right it isn't worth a new post but since Garst seems to think POS take downs are IGS material I'll post here. At about 8am this morning a few Matari Militia and myself went and avenged Space and Freedom. The result a destroyed Amarr militia tower and my hanger floor being taken up by some shiny Dread Guitarist's issue missile battery's. The Amarr didn't even show their face to defend it I kinda wish they did I could use another fight like the last one.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.11.08 17:55:00 - [44] Well that is difference to attack some unimportant miltia pos which nobody cares and to attack Star Fraction Pos where SF deploys cap fleet and all aviable member base+ has to call several alliances for help.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.08 21:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Nur AlHuda Well that is difference to attack some unimportant miltia pos which nobody cares and to attack Star Fraction Pos where SF deploys cap fleet and all aviable member base+ has to call several alliances for help. So I'm confused. Is Space and Freedom "irrelevant and unimportant" or "vital and pressing concern" for the State Crusade high command this week? You change your minds so often its hard to keep up.
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.11.08 21:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Nur AlHuda Well that is difference to attack some unimportant miltia pos which nobody cares and to attack Star Fraction Pos where SF deploys cap fleet and all aviable member base+ has to call several alliances for help. So I'm confused. Is Space and Freedom "irrelevant and unimportant" or "vital and pressing concern" for the State Crusade high command this week? You change your minds so often its hard to keep up. First you were not even in the battle. Second you dont know what we are talking about. I said its difference when there is some personal pos completly undefended and pos that that is protected by several alliances with cap fleet. As far as i remember that pos destroyed by hostiles was not imperial property. And when we speak about caps when will SF deploy their replaced cap fleet agian to fleet fights?
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.08 22:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Nur AlHuda First you were not even in the battle. Second you dont know what we are talking about. I said its difference when there is some personal pos completly undefended and pos that that is protected by several alliances with cap fleet. As far as i remember that pos destroyed by hostiles was not imperial property. And when we speak about caps when will SF deploy their replaced cap fleet agian to fleet fights? So, it doesn't matter how a POS is fit its all irrelevant & useless unless people show up to defend? I guess No.Mercy's industrial friends POS was irrelevant too, Chimera BPO, labs & all. heh, interesting logic. ....No, wait, perhaps your just so incapable of defending your assets you don't even try. Yes, far more likely I think. Pathetic.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Nur AlHuda And when we speak about caps when will SF deploy their replaced cap fleet agian to fleet fights? Well you haven't put up a fleet in over a week ... logically we need a fleet to fight in order to deploy capitals against it. True Knowledge
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.09 01:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well you haven't put up a fleet in over a week ... logically we need a fleet to fight in order to deploy capitals against it. *ChipMo opens his GalNet terminal from the bridge of -JFS- Revival (Chimera Class Carrier) Quite. Odd, how the Amarrians talk about our capitals as though we only have 1 "fleet".
RaveNight Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.10 14:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Kazzzi After action report isk values are meaningless. What matters is who controls Kamela in the aftermath of this battle. Indeed. And Kamela remains under Amarrian occupancy. Amarr live in Kamela? Where!?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.10 15:06:00 - [51] Originally by: RaveNight Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Kazzzi After action report isk values are meaningless. What matters is who controls Kamela in the aftermath of this battle. Indeed. And Kamela remains under Amarrian occupancy. Amarr live in Kamela? Where!? You can check the occupancy of a system by looking at the top left corner of your pod interface. I think that you might need to be undocked though. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.10 16:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that you might need to be undocked though. Also helps if you are actually present in the solar system in question. True Knowledge
ChipMo Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.11.10 17:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Rodj Blake You can check the occupancy of a system by looking at the top left corner of your pod interface. I think that you might need to be undocked though. You can check the occupancy of a system by looking at.... The people who live there.

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