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Ralavina
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Posted - 2009.11.05 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN I wouldn't remove self-destructs entirely, but perhaps if you are under active attack it takes 5x as long or something. Similar to if you loggoffski in combat, your ship stays in space longer.
No no... just if you self destruct, killmail goes to the last person to shoot you if you were being shot within 10 seconds of exploding. Killmail also adds tag "self destructed". Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p |
Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:03:00 -
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My ship, my decision.
If I'm caught in low sec by pirates the first thing I do is activate self-destruct. Self-destructing is just as fair as 5 PVP pirate ships ganking my PVE ship.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Benedict Carol
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion My ship, my decision.
If I'm caught in low sec by pirates the first thing I do is activate self-destruct. Self-destructing is just as fair as 5 PVP pirate ships ganking my PVE ship.
Yup - it goes both ways guys. Carebears complaining about pirates scanning down missions get no sympathy, pirates who play only for killmails get none either.
My only suggestion to the EvE devs would be to make self destruct have a timer, such that you can't hover on SD to see if you win up till the last second. |
Hanso Sparxx
Order of Shadows
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:41:00 -
[34]
explosions are explosions. Who cares? Ship in question has been removed from the play field. It's a win.
Stats are for nerds. ------------------ Go Deep! |
Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.05 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 05/11/2009 18:20:08 I'm sorry that your 20 man gank didn't have enough dps
Anyway what happened was that I jumped my navy mega into a small camp in EOA, after killing 4 ships they only had tacklers left, local went up by 20, and I was tackled long enough for them to come on grid
They had 15 BC ish and 3 (?) Oneiros, so there wasn't much I could do, so the only thing I could do was return the favor and **** on them back
I don't really care about the killmail, feel free to make your own, I did show the fit to one of your members, and if you still don't have it convo me and I'll link it
And my damage control attempt for the loss, I have 90 billion, but I won't try a ship fitted like that until dominion hits at least, that ship had seen quite a few good fights, this being one, it had nearly died 4 times beforehand ( hot dropped twice )
At least I didn't lose it to some one terrible though
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:18:00 -
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I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.
But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Neurotica Zeshi
Gallente Worst Case Scenario.
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Posted - 2009.11.05 20:10:00 -
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What an idiot
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z0de
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.11.05 20:43:00 -
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self destruct should do aoe damage and kill the pilots pod if he doesn't eject or ejects so late that the aoe hurts him too. á á
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.
But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well?
? Eve isn't a battle arena game.
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Ariel Dawn
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:28:00 -
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Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ.
Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs.
And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.
But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well?
? Eve isn't a battle arena game.
Exactly. So stop trying to nerf self-destruct. As you said, Eve isn't an arena.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ.
Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs.
And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails.
So wait. You say yourself Eve isn't a "battle arena", but then argue that a prize (a killmail) *must* be awarded to you when you capture a target that decides to self-destruct. What exactly are you arguing again? And where did you pull those percentages from?
If killmails is your end game, then perhaps Eve isn't for you. It seems what you're looking for is an arena-style game.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:58:00 -
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Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument!
Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337
*Warping off* Whew, that was a close call.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument!
Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337
*Warping off* Whew, that was a close call.
And you're in lolHydra. What's your point?
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Ariel Dawn
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dibsi Dei
Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ.
Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs.
And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails.
If you don't take the effort to have anti-capital ships (neut apocs/bhaalgorns/whatever) in your gangs that would break their tanks, why should you be rewarded?
You people are like hybrid carebear PvPers. It's EVE, deal with it.
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Dibsi Dei Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument!
Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337
*Warping off* Whew, that was a close call.
And you're in lolHydra. What's your point?
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Suitonia
Gallente HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.06 17:56:00 -
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We brought 3 logistic ships and 15 battlecruisers for a single battleship, but lets complain about e-honour. ---
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Slimy Worm
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Posted - 2009.11.06 22:13:00 -
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What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot.
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Ariel Dawn
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.06 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Slimy Worm What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot.
Module drop modifications should be the exact opposite, when the odds are most equal ships should drop the most modules (1v1 stuff, very small gangs, etc). In a situation that's completely hopeless and you're self destructing, module drop should be 0.
If you want the killmail for a self destruct, fake it like everyone does anyway.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2009.11.06 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Slimy Worm What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot.
You cause a victim to self-destruct and lose his ship + fittings + cargo, and yet you think he's griefing you?
/me scratches head
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Mystical Dawn
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.07 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Leilani Solaris
Tell that to BYDI
Carriers and Dreadnoughts, Bosena, 2007...
Oh, that was a pleasure.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.07 01:53:00 -
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Instead of killmails, use an Incident Report. Let the report show the outcome of the encounter, whether it's death, loss, SD, or escape.
It would be just as much a double-edged sword, as people who are outnumbered and outgunned who SD, or break tacklers and escape, can use their incident reports to show how lame their assailants were. It's a lot better than only getting a loss mail for losing and a killmail for killing.
And if those other "results" were tracked, we would be better care on both sides of the letter.
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Victor Hardenberg
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Posted - 2009.11.09 08:08:00 -
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Hahaha, young whiners.
I remember times when the self destruct timers was 30 seconds. It became common practice that people SD¦ed when they got attacked and saw no chance to flee.
Lots of people (including me) really enjoyed this... i mean your ship is lost anyway, so knowing that all you fancy modules wil go with you, and the pirate did¦nt even gets a KM, while they smack you in local for "being lame"... was sometimes worth the price for a new ship.
So after a while the SD timer was increased to 2 minutes due to extensive pirate whining !
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Haramir Haleths
Caldari Nutella Bande
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ezien
Originally by: Haramir Haleths Why do you want a killmail for something you didnt kill ?
Generally when a merc corporation is employed it is to cause damage to an enemy corporation. Killmails act as indicators of performance to the contractor of the mercenary corporation.
Regardless of the amount of time it takes, the person self-destructed as a direct result of the merc corporation attacking them. Therefore, the merc corporation is responsible for the damages to said corp. In turn, the damages happened because the mercs were employed against the corp, and the killmail provides a way to confirm this to the employer.
Anyway, on the off-chance a dev reads this thread I've said my opinions on the matter. The rest of the trolls and trolled can duke it out for the next 5 pages.
Whats your point ? You will be paid if you kill your victim. But if he selfdesctruct his ship, you didnt have killed him. Its a counter measure against piracy. Its another aspect of the game. In WW2 the Bismarck and other Battlships on both sides have used this Tactic.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/11/2009 10:47:25
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Ezien Not just the pirates, it also screws over mercs who have a hard time proving a kill happened without a killmail.
Someone else can argue the loot side of it, but WTB self-destruct KMs.
If you can't destroy a target in 2 minutes, then you don't deserve a KM or the rewards of being a merc. You deny them a ship, they deny you a KM. Seems equal in all regards or bring more firepower next time.
You fight them solo and they self destruct, and laugh and tell you to bring more DPS.
When you do though they call you blobbers and criticise you for ganging up on them 10vs1
Then they call for sentry guns to be buffed, which they are.
Then you need 15 pilots to tank the sentrys so they cry about you ganging up on them 15vs1 and tell you to grow some balls and solo pvp.
And so the cycle of the carebear continues and small gang/solo pvp dies another death
SKUNK (o)
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Tia a'Kanat
Caldari Paramilitary Skanks
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Posted - 2009.11.09 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Haramir Haleths Whats your point ? You will be paid if you kill your victim. But if he selfdesctruct his ship, you didnt have killed him. Its a counter measure against piracy. Its another aspect of the game. In WW2 the Bismarck and other Battlships on both sides have used this Tactic.
And as a result, there's no official confirmation that Bismarck did sink, it's just Allied propaganda.
Oh, and none of the ships and planes that participated in the hunt for Bismarck were rewarded, applauded or celebrated for their part in the sinking.
Failcomparison is fail.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.09 11:45:00 -
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I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.09 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance
This is probably the best solution to be honest, it would be a great deterrent for people self destructing Carriers/Motherships. ---
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