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Leilani Solaris Gallente NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:18:00 - [1]
Warrio GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:27:00 - [2] Just look at all that content. -
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:29:00 - [3] but self destruct
Neyro7830 Gallente The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:54:00 - [4] Great now I have to wait 5 minutes to post again. Gosh. Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:55:00 - [5] Self destruct Nyx and not giving km to gang that shoot you for 10 min is sexy. Will be cool that all titans just self destructs.
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Neyro7830 Great now I have to wait 5 minutes to post again. Gosh. no you don't
pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2009.11.04 22:57:00 - [7] I wouldn't remove self-destructs entirely, but perhaps if you are under active attack it takes 5x as long or something. Similar to if you loggoffski in combat, your ship stays in space longer.
Diamond Jewel	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:01:00 - [8] Self destructing should cause AoE damage, like smartbombs. The bigger the ship, the larger the AoE radius and damage done from the self destruct. They should also produce a killmail.
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:02:00 - [9] Originally by: pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN I wouldn't remove self-destructs entirely, but perhaps if you are under active attack it takes 5x as long or something. Similar to if you loggoffski in combat, your ship stays in space longer. if you logofski in combat you die what prob whith that ? ppl that don't like SD is cos = no km and eventualy faction loot ^^ I admit to SD if more that 1 bill on board.
pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Tian Nu Originally by: pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN I wouldn't remove self-destructs entirely, but perhaps if you are under active attack it takes 5x as long or something. Similar to if you loggoffski in combat, your ship stays in space longer. if you logofski in combat you die what prob whith that ? ppl that don't like SD is cos = no km and eventualy faction loot ^^ I admit to SD if more that 1 bill on board. No problems with dieing if you log off in combat. Thats why that timer is there, to make sure you have a chance to die. The same system could be extended to cover the self destruct timer. If you are under attack/have aggro your self destruct could be 15 min instead of 2.
Salvador Scopelli	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:11:00 - [11] What is sweet is the pirate tears that a self-destruct (and thus the denial of kill-mails and loot) can bring. The ship was lost anyway, but this one form of fighting back cannot be taken away.
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Salvador Scopelli What is sweet is the pirate tears that a self-destruct (and thus the denial of kill-mails and loot) can bring. The ship was lost anyway, but this one form of fighting back cannot be taken away. Yeah i find SD funny, mayby if over done it can frustrate ppl but in way is kind crazy funny.
Gaven Darklighter Gallente The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:21:00 - [13] Real pirates do it for the kill, not the loot. And if a pirate cries, he is not a pirate, he is Salvador Scopelli
pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Tian Nu Originally by: Salvador Scopelli What is sweet is the pirate tears that a self-destruct (and thus the denial of kill-mails and loot) can bring. The ship was lost anyway, but this one form of fighting back cannot be taken away. Yeah i find SD funny, mayby if over done it can frustrate ppl but in way is kind crazy funny. It can be funny. Perhaps get a KM but still not drop loot? Wouldn't change any balance, just OOG killboards would care. Causing someone to self destruct is basically killing them.
Gaven Darklighter Gallente The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:34:00 - [15] I like that idea ^
Salvador Scopelli	Posted - 2009.11.05 00:16:00 - [16] Quote: It can be funny. Perhaps get a KM but still not drop loot? Wouldn't change any balance, just OOG killboards would care. Causing someone to self destruct is basically killing them. Excellent suggestion, particularly as it should silence the FW objections. Otherwise - hearing some pirate-wannabe coming to C&P crying about how self-destruct has spoiled his fun sounds a lot like pirate tears to me. Or wannabe-tears, not that there is much difference. Hmm.. I seem to be trolling so I will stop except for one last observation - they are not MY tears as I am not the OP now am I?
Arouu	Posted - 2009.11.05 00:47:00 - [17] El'Tar's officer fit navy megathron.
Jogvan NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.11.05 01:06:00 - [18] HYDRA ALLINCE HAS NO HONOURE
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2009.11.05 01:22:00 - [19] How do the tears of killmail wh*res taste? According to the advice of public health officials, I dare not find out.
Ezien	Posted - 2009.11.05 01:57:00 - [20] Not just the pirates, it also screws over mercs who have a hard time proving a kill happened without a killmail. Someone else can argue the loot side of it, but WTB self-destruct KMs.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.05 02:33:00 - [21] Ahhh what value a KM has to some people that self-destructing invokes tears. Why are they crying over some internet message they didn't get? After all, when they get what they want, they say "itz only interwebs space ships you ain't l33t nun go back 2 WOW" but deny them that KM and you'd think they were possessed by Jan Brady for a week.
Aqriue	Posted - 2009.11.05 07:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Ezien Not just the pirates, it also screws over mercs who have a hard time proving a kill happened without a killmail. Someone else can argue the loot side of it, but WTB self-destruct KMs. If you can't destroy a target in 2 minutes, then you don't deserve a KM or the rewards of being a merc. You deny them a ship, they deny you a KM. Seems equal in all regards or bring more firepower next time.
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2009.11.05 08:15:00 - [23] Why do you want a killmail for something you didnt kill ?
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Decimus Corp	Posted - 2009.11.05 09:54:00 - [24] It used to be standard practice in the navy and merchant navy to scuttle your ship to stop pirates getting the loots, what is the difference? bad luck you didn't get it this time, always another day! chin up
Ezien	Posted - 2009.11.05 10:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Haramir Haleths Why do you want a killmail for something you didnt kill ? Generally when a merc corporation is employed it is to cause damage to an enemy corporation. Killmails act as indicators of performance to the contractor of the mercenary corporation. Regardless of the amount of time it takes, the person self-destructed as a direct result of the merc corporation attacking them. Therefore, the merc corporation is responsible for the damages to said corp. In turn, the damages happened because the mercs were employed against the corp, and the killmail provides a way to confirm this to the employer. Anyway, on the off-chance a dev reads this thread I've said my opinions on the matter. The rest of the trolls and trolled can duke it out for the next 5 pages.
Golden Helmet Caldari The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:34:00 - [26] Leilani, I demand you put your old Outbreak-era sig back on NAOW. That is all. ------------------
Bongo Debbie Minmatar Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:44:00 - [27] whining is lame ----
Bucky O'Hair Minmatar Crimson Light Horse Brigade Crimen Lux Lucis Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.05 11:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Diamond Jewel Self destructing should cause AoE damage, like smartbombs. The bigger the ship, the larger the AoE radius and damage done from the self destruct. They should also produce a killmail. +1 "Let's Croak Some Toads"
Plan Neun Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.05 13:26:00 - [29] Selfdistruct is absolutely not Lame, it is a part of gamemechanichs and it is there for a reason.
Anna Lifera	Posted - 2009.11.05 14:17:00 - [30] had some -10s try and hold my battleship hostage and said "eject your ship and we'll spare your pod". i was not about to throw 100 mil down the drain just like that (let alone give it to them) so that's where the self-destruct came in. idk if other ppl can see u initate the self-destruct but the 2 minute countdown passed and i got my money back and my pod stayed intact. if it wasn't for SD, pirates can hold your ship hostage indefinitely if they wanted to. then it'll boil down to being glued to the screen for a whole day (and not eat, go to the bathroom, etc.) just to figure out if he's gonna blow up your ship and pod u when u're not looking...or give into his ransom 'cause u don't have that kind of time.
Ralavina	Posted - 2009.11.05 15:06:00 - [31] Originally by: pInEaPpLe MuFfInMaN I wouldn't remove self-destructs entirely, but perhaps if you are under active attack it takes 5x as long or something. Similar to if you loggoffski in combat, your ship stays in space longer. No no... just if you self destruct, killmail goes to the last person to shoot you if you were being shot within 10 seconds of exploding. Killmail also adds tag "self destructed". Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:03:00 - [32] My ship, my decision. If I'm caught in low sec by pirates the first thing I do is activate self-destruct. Self-destructing is just as fair as 5 PVP pirate ships ganking my PVE ship. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Benedict Carol	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Exlegion My ship, my decision. If I'm caught in low sec by pirates the first thing I do is activate self-destruct. Self-destructing is just as fair as 5 PVP pirate ships ganking my PVE ship. Yup - it goes both ways guys. Carebears complaining about pirates scanning down missions get no sympathy, pirates who play only for killmails get none either. My only suggestion to the EvE devs would be to make self destruct have a timer, such that you can't hover on SD to see if you win up till the last second.
Hanso Sparxx Order of Shadows	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:41:00 - [34] explosions are explosions. Who cares? Ship in question has been removed from the play field. It's a win. Stats are for nerds. ------------------ Go Deep!
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.05 18:14:00 - [35] Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 05/11/2009 18:20:08 I'm sorry that your 20 man gank didn't have enough dps Anyway what happened was that I jumped my navy mega into a small camp in EOA, after killing 4 ships they only had tacklers left, local went up by 20, and I was tackled long enough for them to come on grid They had 15 BC ish and 3 (?) Oneiros, so there wasn't much I could do, so the only thing I could do was return the favor and **** on them back I don't really care about the killmail, feel free to make your own, I did show the fit to one of your members, and if you still don't have it convo me and I'll link it And my damage control attempt for the loss, I have 90 billion, but I won't try a ship fitted like that until dominion hits at least, that ship had seen quite a few good fights, this being one, it had nearly died 4 times beforehand ( hot dropped twice ) At least I didn't lose it to some one terrible though
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.05 19:18:00 - [36] I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention.
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.05 19:43:00 - [37] Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention. But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Neurotica Zeshi Gallente Worst Case Scenario.	Posted - 2009.11.05 20:10:00 - [38] What an idiot
z0de The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.11.05 20:43:00 - [39] self destruct should do aoe damage and kill the pilots pod if he doesn't eject or ejects so late that the aoe hurts him too. á á
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention. But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well? ? Eve isn't a battle arena game.
Ariel Dawn Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:28:00 - [41] Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ.
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ. Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs. And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails.
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Dibsi Dei I can confirm that Mr. El'Tar did absolutely the right choice here. These "lame" things in the game are not going away without threadnaughts. The more people use tactics like logoffski, capital docking games and self destructs the faster we can get rid of them. So next time when you're on the field remind yourself to do just that. Do the lamest thing you can think off because who knows, maybe just that thread will get CCP's attention. But you don't consider 5 PVP ships against 1 PVE ship "lame"? Shall we get rid of that as well? ? Eve isn't a battle arena game. Exactly. So stop trying to nerf self-destruct. As you said, Eve isn't an arena. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ. Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs. And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails. So wait. You say yourself Eve isn't a "battle arena", but then argue that a prize (a killmail) must be awarded to you when you capture a target that decides to self-destruct. What exactly are you arguing again? And where did you pull those percentages from? If killmails is your end game, then perhaps Eve isn't for you. It seems what you're looking for is an arena-style game. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Dibsi Dei Salamyhkaisten kilta HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:58:00 - [45] Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument! Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337 Warping off Whew, that was a close call.
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.05 23:01:00 - [46] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument! Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337 Warping off Whew, that was a close call. And you're in lolHydra. What's your point? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Ariel Dawn Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.06 15:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ. Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs. And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails. If you don't take the effort to have anti-capital ships (neut apocs/bhaalgorns/whatever) in your gangs that would break their tanks, why should you be rewarded? You people are like hybrid carebear PvPers. It's EVE, deal with it.
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad Ev0ke	Posted - 2009.11.06 15:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Dibsi Dei Oh dear I'm stuck in an argument! Exlegion's Combat Record - Ranked #624,836 Dibsi Dei's Combat Record - Ranked #3,337 Warping off Whew, that was a close call. And you're in lolHydra. What's your point? I guess you are new around here. ________________________________________ ________________________________________ http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Suitonia Gallente HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.06 17:56:00 - [49] We brought 3 logistic ships and 15 battlecruisers for a single battleship, but lets complain about e-honour. ---
Slimy Worm	Posted - 2009.11.06 22:13:00 - [50] What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot.
Ariel Dawn Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.06 23:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Slimy Worm What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot. Module drop modifications should be the exact opposite, when the odds are most equal ships should drop the most modules (1v1 stuff, very small gangs, etc). In a situation that's completely hopeless and you're self destructing, module drop should be 0. If you want the killmail for a self destruct, fake it like everyone does anyway.
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.06 23:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Slimy Worm What about making more modules survive if the pilot self-destructs (so it's more profitable to the pirate for the victim to self destruct so the victim won't do it just to grief as much), and still producing a killmail? That way us pirates couldn't permascram people into boredom but they wouldn't be able to deprive us of cool killmails and decent loot. You cause a victim to self-destruct and lose his ship + fittings + cargo, and yet you think he's griefing you? /me scratches head One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Mystical Dawn Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.07 01:13:00 - [53] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Tell that to BYDI Carriers and Dreadnoughts, Bosena, 2007... Oh, that was a pleasure.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.07 01:53:00 - [54] Instead of killmails, use an Incident Report. Let the report show the outcome of the encounter, whether it's death, loss, SD, or escape. It would be just as much a double-edged sword, as people who are outnumbered and outgunned who SD, or break tacklers and escape, can use their incident reports to show how lame their assailants were. It's a lot better than only getting a loss mail for losing and a killmail for killing. And if those other "results" were tracked, we would be better care on both sides of the letter.
Victor Hardenberg	Posted - 2009.11.09 08:08:00 - [55] Hahaha, young whiners. I remember times when the self destruct timers was 30 seconds. It became common practice that people SD¦ed when they got attacked and saw no chance to flee. Lots of people (including me) really enjoyed this... i mean your ship is lost anyway, so knowing that all you fancy modules wil go with you, and the pirate did¦nt even gets a KM, while they smack you in local for "being lame"... was sometimes worth the price for a new ship. So after a while the SD timer was increased to 2 minutes due to extensive pirate whining !
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2009.11.09 10:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Ezien Originally by: Haramir Haleths Why do you want a killmail for something you didnt kill ? Generally when a merc corporation is employed it is to cause damage to an enemy corporation. Killmails act as indicators of performance to the contractor of the mercenary corporation. Regardless of the amount of time it takes, the person self-destructed as a direct result of the merc corporation attacking them. Therefore, the merc corporation is responsible for the damages to said corp. In turn, the damages happened because the mercs were employed against the corp, and the killmail provides a way to confirm this to the employer. Anyway, on the off-chance a dev reads this thread I've said my opinions on the matter. The rest of the trolls and trolled can duke it out for the next 5 pages. Whats your point ? You will be paid if you kill your victim. But if he selfdesctruct his ship, you didnt have killed him. Its a counter measure against piracy. Its another aspect of the game. In WW2 the Bismarck and other Battlships on both sides have used this Tactic.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.09 10:45:00 - [57] Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/11/2009 10:47:25 Originally by: Aqriue Originally by: Ezien Not just the pirates, it also screws over mercs who have a hard time proving a kill happened without a killmail. Someone else can argue the loot side of it, but WTB self-destruct KMs. If you can't destroy a target in 2 minutes, then you don't deserve a KM or the rewards of being a merc. You deny them a ship, they deny you a KM. Seems equal in all regards or bring more firepower next time. You fight them solo and they self destruct, and laugh and tell you to bring more DPS. When you do though they call you blobbers and criticise you for ganging up on them 10vs1 Then they call for sentry guns to be buffed, which they are. Then you need 15 pilots to tank the sentrys so they cry about you ganging up on them 15vs1 and tell you to grow some balls and solo pvp. And so the cycle of the carebear continues and small gang/solo pvp dies another death SKUNK (o)
Tia a'Kanat Caldari Paramilitary Skanks	Posted - 2009.11.09 10:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Haramir Haleths Whats your point ? You will be paid if you kill your victim. But if he selfdesctruct his ship, you didnt have killed him. Its a counter measure against piracy. Its another aspect of the game. In WW2 the Bismarck and other Battlships on both sides have used this Tactic. And as a result, there's no official confirmation that Bismarck did sink, it's just Allied propaganda. Oh, and none of the ships and planes that participated in the hunt for Bismarck were rewarded, applauded or celebrated for their part in the sinking. Failcomparison is fail.
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.11.09 11:45:00 - [59] I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.09 12:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance This is probably the best solution to be honest, it would be a great deterrent for people self destructing Carriers/Motherships. ---
Plan Neun Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.09 12:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Dibsi Dei Originally by: Ariel Dawn Frankly if there were no killboards, 90% of 'pirates' wouldn't be in the game anymore. Self-destructing is fine, kill them faster, or convince them you'll ransom. I don't even understand why people complain about self-destruct, almost in every single situation where it occurs the attacking party fakes the killmail anyway because OMGKILLMAILZ. Self-destructing is not fine on capitals and supercapitals. Asking to bring enough people to kill a carrier in two minutes is ridiculous. That's why we need attention on self-destructs. And yes killmails are important as EVE is 80% EFT, 5% PVP and 15% killmails. This feature is not about you and what you can take, if you cant cope with an ingame mechanic that has worked in 6 years you should run along and play something simpler.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.09 12:41:00 - [62] To be fair, Carriers haven't been in the game that long, they were introduced in 2006 iirc?. As the game evolves, the game mechanics need to be relooked at. Since Titans and Motherships are getting a considerible EHP boost this patch, might be worth relooking into how the self destruct mechanic works. ---
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2009.11.09 12:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Rhanna Khurin I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance This is probably the best solution to be honest, it would be a great deterrent for people self destructing Carriers/Motherships. Agreed. If you wish to keep your setup a secret, or assuage losses it ought to come with a price. The quality of my replies is directly related to the QQuality of the opÆs comments
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.09 13:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Rhanna Khurin I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance This is probably the best solution to be honest, it would be a great deterrent for people self destructing Carriers/Motherships. Agreed. If you wish to keep your setup a secret, or assuage losses it ought to come with a price. This is opening up a whole new can of worms. Pushing for this will bring unintended consequences to the high sec gankers (in the form of nerfs to suicide by Concord). If we're going to analyze what deserves insurance payouts then we must include suicides with the intent to commit criminal acts in Concord space. I'm fine with this. But I'm not sure how it would sit in with the opportunistic PVP'ers. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
DeathStar Outlaw-Star Outlaw Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.09 13:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 05/11/2009 18:20:08 I'm sorry that your 20 man gank didn't have enough dps /me Tip's hat 2 min is plenty long enough for a bs or below (cap ships need longer) i hope you drink these tears with pride
Rhanna Khurin Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.11.09 13:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: Rhanna Khurin I've always thought that if you self destruct, you shouldn't get any insurance This is probably the best solution to be honest, it would be a great deterrent for people self destructing Carriers/Motherships. Agreed. If you wish to keep your setup a secret, or assuage losses it ought to come with a price. This is opening up a whole new can of worms. Pushing for this will bring unintended consequences to the high sec gankers (in the form of nerfs to suicide by Concord). If we're going to analyze what deserves insurance payouts then we must include suicides with the intent to commit criminal acts in Concord space. I'm fine with this. But I'm not sure how it would sit in with the opportunistic PVP'ers. Hmm, i don't know. Self destruct is different than a normal kill for obvious reasons. Your ship was destroyed by overloading the reactor (or w/e) not necessarily because of enemy action.
Plave Okice Red Federation	Posted - 2009.11.09 15:55:00 - [67] Self destruct timers should vary depending on ship size, maybe as low as 15 seconds for frigs, 5 mins for caps. They should also do some AOE damage and yes you should get sec penalty for hitting anything you shouldn't in high sec. No killmails though, for me all killmails would be removed, they don't promote pvp at all.
Exlegion Caldari Salva Veritate	Posted - 2009.11.09 17:26:00 - [68] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Hmm, i don't know. Self destruct is different than a normal kill for obvious reasons. Your ship was destroyed by overloading the reactor (or w/e) not necessarily because of enemy action. But getting your ship exploded by Concord isn't your normal kill (for obvious reasons ). And if we're going to bring real-life consequences we need to be fair with the whole of insurance and not just pick out what is convenient to me(TM). If self destructs are not to be covered by insurance it should become obvious that intentional suicides (by Concord actions) should also not be covered (re: gate and station suicide camps). One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

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