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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: S'Daria on 04/11/2004 03:20:16
I was thinking about this that keeping track of peoples' pass is difficult sometimes, especially when you need to make a gut or quick reaction. So I was thinking of this:
- Corp creates an item that looks like a "named" Data Sheet (i.e. "CA Mining Pass" or "SA Travel Pass")
- When the item is created is is "keyed" to someone's name, corp or alliance, so when creating a "CA Mining Pass" its keyed to say "S'Daria" or to "Blues Brothers" or "CA alliance"
- The pass can only be transferred between corp or alliance members if it was keyed to a corp or an alliance.
- An illegal trade (an indivdual trading to someone not in their corp or alliance), would be prompted with a warning.
- Corp "enforcers" can add flags into the scanner that allow them to automatically detect someone with a "valid" or "invalid" pass.
- The Corp button would add a tab named "Passes" where someone who is a Security manager can edit the passes.
- Passes that have a billing cycle will be added as a bill (like a factory or lab slot would) to the individual, corporation or alliance depending on its type
- The billing cycle starts when the trade is completed.
- A pass can be created in space by a Pass Manager.
Example of creating a pass:
Select Pass Type: {dropdown listbox}
Whom is this Pass to: {enter name of person/corp/alliance} [Search button]
Reoccuring Cycle: (number of days}
How many Cycles will this pass be valid: {number of Reoccuring Cycles}
Price: {price of pass that will be billed to issuer per Reoccuring Cycle}
Quanity: {number of passes of this type created}
[Reset form] [Create]
Example of Pass Manager:
[Create Pass] - pressing this button will display a dialog box similar to the naming dialog of Cargo containers.
Enter name of pass type: {enter name of pass type}
[OK] [Cancel]
A new tab is added into the Corp manager named "Passes" that lists all the current passes issued by the corp. Their status of whether they still exist (because someone can invalidate the pass by an illegal trade or if they don't pay the reoccuring bill).
A listbox would have the followoing columns:
Issuer: {name of person/corp/alliance
Pass Type: {name of the pass the Pass manager made}
Date Issued: {date pass was created}
Reoccuring: {YES|NO, shows if the pass if reoccuring and billable}
Billing Amount: {amount of pass that will be billed to issuer}
Valid Til: {date when pass will expire}
The Security manager can right click on the pass and have the following options:
- Delete...
- Validate
- Invalidate
Under the "Auditing" tab in the Corp window it will show a log of the changes made to all the passes created by the corp like the following:- Pass created by {name of Security manager} named {name of pass}
- Pass Invalided by {name of Security manage} named {name of pass}
- etc...
What do you guys think? Too complecated? Useful?
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: S'Daria on 04/11/2004 03:20:16
I was thinking about this that keeping track of peoples' pass is difficult sometimes, especially when you need to make a gut or quick reaction. So I was thinking of this:
- Corp creates an item that looks like a "named" Data Sheet (i.e. "CA Mining Pass" or "SA Travel Pass")
- When the item is created is is "keyed" to someone's name, corp or alliance, so when creating a "CA Mining Pass" its keyed to say "S'Daria" or to "Blues Brothers" or "CA alliance"
- The pass can only be transferred between corp or alliance members if it was keyed to a corp or an alliance.
- An illegal trade (an indivdual trading to someone not in their corp or alliance), would be prompted with a warning.
- Corp "enforcers" can add flags into the scanner that allow them to automatically detect someone with a "valid" or "invalid" pass.
- The Corp button would add a tab named "Passes" where someone who is a Security manager can edit the passes.
- Passes that have a billing cycle will be added as a bill (like a factory or lab slot would) to the individual, corporation or alliance depending on its type
- The billing cycle starts when the trade is completed.
- A pass can be created in space by a Pass Manager.
Example of creating a pass:
Select Pass Type: {dropdown listbox}
Whom is this Pass to: {enter name of person/corp/alliance} [Search button]
Reoccuring Cycle: (number of days}
How many Cycles will this pass be valid: {number of Reoccuring Cycles}
Price: {price of pass that will be billed to issuer per Reoccuring Cycle}
Quanity: {number of passes of this type created}
[Reset form] [Create]
Example of Pass Manager:
[Create Pass] - pressing this button will display a dialog box similar to the naming dialog of Cargo containers.
Enter name of pass type: {enter name of pass type}
[OK] [Cancel]
A new tab is added into the Corp manager named "Passes" that lists all the current passes issued by the corp. Their status of whether they still exist (because someone can invalidate the pass by an illegal trade or if they don't pay the reoccuring bill).
A listbox would have the followoing columns:
Issuer: {name of person/corp/alliance
Pass Type: {name of the pass the Pass manager made}
Date Issued: {date pass was created}
Reoccuring: {YES|NO, shows if the pass if reoccuring and billable}
Billing Amount: {amount of pass that will be billed to issuer}
Valid Til: {date when pass will expire}
The Security manager can right click on the pass and have the following options:
- Delete...
- Validate
- Invalidate
Under the "Auditing" tab in the Corp window it will show a log of the changes made to all the passes created by the corp like the following:- Pass created by {name of Security manager} named {name of pass}
- Pass Invalided by {name of Security manage} named {name of pass}
- etc...
What do you guys think? Too complecated? Useful?
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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:14:00 -
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sounds very cool to me, as long as you get flaged as bad if you:
carry a pass thats not assigned to you (corp, you, or alliance)
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'Sweeden Steel Bite hard'
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Berilac
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:14:00 -
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sounds very cool to me, as long as you get flaged as bad if you:
carry a pass thats not assigned to you (corp, you, or alliance)
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'Sweeden Steel Bite hard'
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:19:00 -
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Yeah, well I was thinking of modeling this after the "contraband" system where you could flag someone has carrying an illegal pass!!!
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:19:00 -
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Yeah, well I was thinking of modeling this after the "contraband" system where you could flag someone has carrying an illegal pass!!!
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:23:00 -
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I kept passes created by corps so if, for example, a corp leaves the alliance than their passes won't be invalidated that they issued.
The group leader decides what "passes" are valid.
I'm sure I'm missing something with alliances, perhaps the "Executor of the alliance" can create passes that are valid for everyone in the alliance?
Not sure exactly.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:23:00 -
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I kept passes created by corps so if, for example, a corp leaves the alliance than their passes won't be invalidated that they issued.
The group leader decides what "passes" are valid.
I'm sure I'm missing something with alliances, perhaps the "Executor of the alliance" can create passes that are valid for everyone in the alliance?
Not sure exactly.
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Shakul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:45:00 -
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sounds like a cool idea.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Shakul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 03:45:00 -
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sounds like a cool idea.
Auction your items for isk, works sort of like ebay. |
Faedorne
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Posted - 2004.11.04 11:16:00 -
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It is absolutely doable, in fact. Standard certificate (identity, corp name, valid till) hashed, and then signed with private key, but those are the nitty gritty dev details. This could be done behind the scenes, and imagine the fun if someone had one and got destroyed... real time information leakage.
Make it so! - Picard
(Nice thoughts S'Daria) |
Faedorne
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Posted - 2004.11.04 11:16:00 -
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It is absolutely doable, in fact. Standard certificate (identity, corp name, valid till) hashed, and then signed with private key, but those are the nitty gritty dev details. This could be done behind the scenes, and imagine the fun if someone had one and got destroyed... real time information leakage.
Make it so! - Picard
(Nice thoughts S'Daria) |
S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:56:00 -
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Thanks. I really think its imparative that the auto scanner be seamlessly integrated so someone "enforcing" alliance borders are quickly identified.
The RP for this is basically that the computers of the alliance/corp members are linked to the "corp computers" that'll give them a visual indicator.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:56:00 -
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Thanks. I really think its imparative that the auto scanner be seamlessly integrated so someone "enforcing" alliance borders are quickly identified.
The RP for this is basically that the computers of the alliance/corp members are linked to the "corp computers" that'll give them a visual indicator.
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:59:00 -
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I love your ideas, you shoud go work at ccp.
 Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal
What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This i |
Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.11.04 12:59:00 -
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I love your ideas, you shoud go work at ccp.
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal
What has turned out better than expected?
Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This i |
S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:00:00 -
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Oh...someone with a pass should be able to see its status.
I don't know if it should have a right click menu on the "named" data sheet with a pop-up that displays its status and settings, or a new tab should be added to the character sheet that is "Passes" and lists all the passes they currently have and their status.
NOTE: A "Pass" does not need to be on the actually ship of the person as they move though alliance controlled space, rather it must just be in their assets (think of it that they update their computers with the accesses codes that identifies them to the people who issued the "pass").
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:00:00 -
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Oh...someone with a pass should be able to see its status.
I don't know if it should have a right click menu on the "named" data sheet with a pop-up that displays its status and settings, or a new tab should be added to the character sheet that is "Passes" and lists all the passes they currently have and their status.
NOTE: A "Pass" does not need to be on the actually ship of the person as they move though alliance controlled space, rather it must just be in their assets (think of it that they update their computers with the accesses codes that identifies them to the people who issued the "pass").
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:23:00 -
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Indeed, a pass management system is a very practical feature. The way you describe it however, with validation checks, consequences of trading, billing, detection etc. complicates the implementation very much.
Lets revisit this after Shiva, I'll put some thought into a simpler implementation which could be faster and easier to implement.
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I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
Oveur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:23:00 -
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Indeed, a pass management system is a very practical feature. The way you describe it however, with validation checks, consequences of trading, billing, detection etc. complicates the implementation very much.
Lets revisit this after Shiva, I'll put some thought into a simpler implementation which could be faster and easier to implement.
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I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Indeed, a pass management system is a very practical feature. The way you describe it however, with validation checks, consequences of trading, billing, detection etc. complicates the implementation very much.
Lets revisit this after Shiva, I'll put some thought into a simpler implementation which could be faster and easier to implement.
Sweet!!!
A "simpler" version of the pass system would be kewl so, as you said, not to overly complicate things.
I'll save this thread and mention to you guys after Exodus.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
Indeed, a pass management system is a very practical feature. The way you describe it however, with validation checks, consequences of trading, billing, detection etc. complicates the implementation very much.
Lets revisit this after Shiva, I'll put some thought into a simpler implementation which could be faster and easier to implement.
Sweet!!!
A "simpler" version of the pass system would be kewl so, as you said, not to overly complicate things.
I'll save this thread and mention to you guys after Exodus.
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Kenan Waroria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:15:00 -
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Perhaps with the new alliance system it could be possible to set a temporary flagging to a person that will show up as white. And when you show info on the person you get info on what sort of pass the person has and the peroid it¦s valid. The passes can be sorted out by Alliance directors or whoever the alliance wants to handle it.
"Full circle" |
Kenan Waroria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:15:00 -
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Perhaps with the new alliance system it could be possible to set a temporary flagging to a person that will show up as white. And when you show info on the person you get info on what sort of pass the person has and the peroid it¦s valid. The passes can be sorted out by Alliance directors or whoever the alliance wants to handle it.
"Full circle" |
khainestar
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:46:00 -
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Heres a simpler way to do it. Create a pass that causes the bearer to be flagged as +5 standing to the issuing corp for a set number of days.
Make it simular to implants. i.e. can only be used by one person, transfering it causes destruction. So if you bought it only you can use it.
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Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for. |
khainestar
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:46:00 -
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Heres a simpler way to do it. Create a pass that causes the bearer to be flagged as +5 standing to the issuing corp for a set number of days.
Make it simular to implants. i.e. can only be used by one person, transfering it causes destruction. So if you bought it only you can use it.
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Pain. Looks great on other people. Its what there for. |
Kenan Waroria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: khainestar
Heres a simpler way to do it. Create a pass that causes the bearer to be flagged as +5 standing to the issuing corp for a set number of days.
Make it simular to implants. i.e. can only be used by one person, transfering it causes destruction. So if you bought it only you can use it.
But a +5 standing to one corp doesn¦t help much in an alliance with several different corps. Might work if it¦s +5 to the whole alliance, but as an alliance member you want to see a difference from people that are friends (+5) and people with passes, well I want at least..
"Full circle" |
Kenan Waroria
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: khainestar
Heres a simpler way to do it. Create a pass that causes the bearer to be flagged as +5 standing to the issuing corp for a set number of days.
Make it simular to implants. i.e. can only be used by one person, transfering it causes destruction. So if you bought it only you can use it.
But a +5 standing to one corp doesn¦t help much in an alliance with several different corps. Might work if it¦s +5 to the whole alliance, but as an alliance member you want to see a difference from people that are friends (+5) and people with passes, well I want at least..
"Full circle" |
Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:54:00 -
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get one of your web dudes to work it into the ingame browser.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:54:00 -
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get one of your web dudes to work it into the ingame browser.
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