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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:41:00 -
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haters man :>
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:41:00 -
[32]
haters man :>
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:44:00 -
[33]
You give me a paypal account to send funds and I'll help that way a bit.
CJ
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:44:00 -
[34]
You give me a paypal account to send funds and I'll help that way a bit.
CJ
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:03:00 -
[35]
Think CCP would help out?
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:03:00 -
[36]
Think CCP would help out?
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Keltin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Do you receive money for Eve-Radio?
Is it a business? Is this something you do with spare time?
Do you offer free downloads of copywrited materials?
I think those are the key questions here. If you are only playing music for people to listen to and do not charge them for the service I don't see a problem here. I see you receive donations, so maybe they want a piece of that. It's unfortunate these guys have come after you.
You may have to remove some of your services and not ask for donations anymore. Take your time and find out your rights before folding over!
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Keltin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Do you receive money for Eve-Radio?
Is it a business? Is this something you do with spare time?
Do you offer free downloads of copywrited materials?
I think those are the key questions here. If you are only playing music for people to listen to and do not charge them for the service I don't see a problem here. I see you receive donations, so maybe they want a piece of that. It's unfortunate these guys have come after you.
You may have to remove some of your services and not ask for donations anymore. Take your time and find out your rights before folding over!
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:40:00 -
[39]
As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you. 
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:40:00 -
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As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Skogul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:58:00 -
[41]
 Originally by: Rinny Wee
As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
I never listen to Eve Radio, so I couldn't really care less, but ...
We Shriners got threatened by the Ancient Sekrit Mystical High Order of the Inner Circle Mystic Sekrit Shriners of the Arabic US of A (or whatever the hell their name was) for our website. This was after the website (and domain) was up for, you know, 6+ years. Anyway, our leader Nate got a lawyer buddy of his to write them a nice, firm "STFU" letter stating that we were in no way impersonating the real Shriners to get donations or anything like that, we weren't making money off of it, it was a parody site and anyone with any sense could see that, etc. In the end, they settled for us placing a disclaimer on the website, and that was that.
If you've got published places for people to send you donations, that's probably a large part of your problem. If money is coming your way and you're broadcasting copyrighted material, I think you're going to be in big trouble soonish. Good luck. Hopefully your legal troubles will turn out as well as ours did (but I'm not so sure they will, unfortunately).
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Skogul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rinny Wee
As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
I never listen to Eve Radio, so I couldn't really care less, but ...
We Shriners got threatened by the Ancient Sekrit Mystical High Order of the Inner Circle Mystic Sekrit Shriners of the Arabic US of A (or whatever the hell their name was) for our website. This was after the website (and domain) was up for, you know, 6+ years. Anyway, our leader Nate got a lawyer buddy of his to write them a nice, firm "STFU" letter stating that we were in no way impersonating the real Shriners to get donations or anything like that, we weren't making money off of it, it was a parody site and anyone with any sense could see that, etc. In the end, they settled for us placing a disclaimer on the website, and that was that.
If you've got published places for people to send you donations, that's probably a large part of your problem. If money is coming your way and you're broadcasting copyrighted material, I think you're going to be in big trouble soonish. Good luck. Hopefully your legal troubles will turn out as well as ours did (but I'm not so sure they will, unfortunately).
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 04/11/2004 19:36:39
I did the old search for info. As with law, its pretty grey area with 'non-profit' webcast stations. In fact I find no true reference or exlusion for them (yet). Some of the best references I found were here
Non-profit stations with similar issues
News article
RIAA FAQ On Webcasting
Those are all US based laws however. UK is more ambiguos so not sure there.
Incidently, shoutcast which monitors internet webcasts had eve-Radio at #618 here with 31,402 tune in over a 30 day period
Almost all reference point to that you must pay to broadcast music. In the UK the PRS handle this. Specific page here
The shoutcast forums have several posts on the topic.
I hope that is of some help. Either way, we cant have Eve-radio taken of the air!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:06:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Hakera on 04/11/2004 19:36:39
I did the old search for info. As with law, its pretty grey area with 'non-profit' webcast stations. In fact I find no true reference or exlusion for them (yet). Some of the best references I found were here
Non-profit stations with similar issues
News article
RIAA FAQ On Webcasting
Those are all US based laws however. UK is more ambiguos so not sure there.
Incidently, shoutcast which monitors internet webcasts had eve-Radio at #618 here with 31,402 tune in over a 30 day period
Almost all reference point to that you must pay to broadcast music. In the UK the PRS handle this. Specific page here
The shoutcast forums have several posts on the topic.
I hope that is of some help. Either way, we cant have Eve-radio taken of the air!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:38:00 -
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GNN got shut down too by copyright people. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Eve Radio too.
Would be a shame..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:38:00 -
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GNN got shut down too by copyright people. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Eve Radio too.
Would be a shame..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:05:00 -
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now arent there anymore these nice server hosts in countries like russia that ask for a tad more in hosting fees, but therefore offer a shield from any juristic actions?
not that i suggest doing anything considered in some country illegal 
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:05:00 -
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now arent there anymore these nice server hosts in countries like russia that ask for a tad more in hosting fees, but therefore offer a shield from any juristic actions?
not that i suggest doing anything considered in some country illegal
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:09:00 -
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Are they aware EVE-Radio has been directly responsible for me buying more CD's than I ever would have without it? A lot of my favorite bands I first heard on EVE-Radio, and now I own their CD's directly because of this.
Frankly I hate these RIAA type lawyers.
Hope you guys pull through, but if not I'm sure EVE-Radio2 will be up and running a few hours after the original is forced to shut down.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:09:00 -
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Are they aware EVE-Radio has been directly responsible for me buying more CD's than I ever would have without it? A lot of my favorite bands I first heard on EVE-Radio, and now I own their CD's directly because of this.
Frankly I hate these RIAA type lawyers.
Hope you guys pull through, but if not I'm sure EVE-Radio2 will be up and running a few hours after the original is forced to shut down.
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Elise Masutra
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:27:00 -
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would be a shame if u can't keep on brardcasting. i really like it 
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(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Elise Masutra
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:27:00 -
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would be a shame if u can't keep on brardcasting. i really like it
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
DJMike
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:37:00 -
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Darn
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Covenant US-Time Zone Director
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DJMike
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:37:00 -
[54]
Darn
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Covenant US-Time Zone Director
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:53:00 -
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There aint no fat lady here, so dont write us off just yet.
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:53:00 -
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There aint no fat lady here, so dont write us off just yet.
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:34:00 -
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Maybe the EFF can help you?
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Quantum Industries
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:34:00 -
[58]
Maybe the EFF can help you?
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Quantum Industries
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Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Katjia on 04/11/2004 23:19:20
Sorry to say the only way to beat this is to out smart them the next time around. The rules that they will try to enforce upon you are not meant to be doable they are meant to get you off the air/web. The best solution in the future is to base the servers somewhere where internet laws are a bit weak, ie russia,south africa,ukraine, latvia. Forgot what countries do not fall under the international law agreement but they could be risky to deal with. So much for home of the free...US lawyers strike again. well at least in alaska it is legal to have 4 oz of pot on you :)
Tho this is not in the same boat as you they may be able to help you out ther is a group of lawyers that defend "hackers" that know cyberlaw like no other ...forgot the link but i will put it up when i find it.
edit : oh yea almost forgot.....big lawyer group like this that work for the music industry is why i have never paid for music since Napster got eaten up. By paying for the music your are paying ther lawyers.
not saying everyone should do the same got to be smart about it :P
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Katjia on 04/11/2004 23:19:20
Sorry to say the only way to beat this is to out smart them the next time around. The rules that they will try to enforce upon you are not meant to be doable they are meant to get you off the air/web. The best solution in the future is to base the servers somewhere where internet laws are a bit weak, ie russia,south africa,ukraine, latvia. Forgot what countries do not fall under the international law agreement but they could be risky to deal with. So much for home of the free...US lawyers strike again. well at least in alaska it is legal to have 4 oz of pot on you :)
Tho this is not in the same boat as you they may be able to help you out ther is a group of lawyers that defend "hackers" that know cyberlaw like no other ...forgot the link but i will put it up when i find it.
edit : oh yea almost forgot.....big lawyer group like this that work for the music industry is why i have never paid for music since Napster got eaten up. By paying for the music your are paying ther lawyers.
not saying everyone should do the same got to be smart about it :P
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
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