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EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:56:00 -
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Today, EVE-Radio has been contacted by GSC Solicitors, acting on behalf of their client who believe that EVE-Radio may be in breach of copyright laws. At this stage, we will not be reacting immediately by shutting down our broadcasting operations. We will be contacting our own solicitors who can better advise us of the appropriate course of action to take. I think we were all expecting something like this to happen (albeit a lot sooner), but we hope EVE-Radio will prevail. WeÆll keep you updated on the situation, and we hope we stay on-air. Send us your support, here.
You guys have been great, and we hope we survive this,
Diaego
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 14:56:00 -
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Today, EVE-Radio has been contacted by GSC Solicitors, acting on behalf of their client who believe that EVE-Radio may be in breach of copyright laws. At this stage, we will not be reacting immediately by shutting down our broadcasting operations. We will be contacting our own solicitors who can better advise us of the appropriate course of action to take. I think we were all expecting something like this to happen (albeit a lot sooner), but we hope EVE-Radio will prevail. WeÆll keep you updated on the situation, and we hope we stay on-air. Send us your support, here.
You guys have been great, and we hope we survive this,
Diaego
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:02:00 -
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GSC WTFITIHDK!?
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:02:00 -
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GSC WTFITIHDK!?
Convert Stations
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:03:00 -
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who's GSC?
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:03:00 -
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who's GSC?
Here, Only the silent survive.
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:05:00 -
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GSC= Giant Sec Can ?? 
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:05:00 -
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GSC= Giant Sec Can ??
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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Diabolikul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:06:00 -
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Figures this would have happened sooner or later. You are just going to have to find a way to pay out royalties.
Join ASCAP or BMI - but it's not cheap to get a subscription. Sorry to see this happen (and thats coming from someone who still gets the occassional airplay royalty now and then).
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Diabolikul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:06:00 -
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Figures this would have happened sooner or later. You are just going to have to find a way to pay out royalties.
Join ASCAP or BMI - but it's not cheap to get a subscription. Sorry to see this happen (and thats coming from someone who still gets the occassional airplay royalty now and then).
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EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Leitari
who's GSC?
GSC are just the name of the solicitors (Who specialise in broadcasting law) who are acting on behalf of a client.
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Leitari
who's GSC?
GSC are just the name of the solicitors (Who specialise in broadcasting law) who are acting on behalf of a client.
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:08:00 -
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http://www.gscsolicitors.com/
Basically it's a bunch of lawyer bastarges who represents various record companies.
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Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:08:00 -
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http://www.gscsolicitors.com/
Basically it's a bunch of lawyer bastarges who represents various record companies.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:13:00 -
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This sucks. I hope you guys can pull through this, it would be a real shame to lose Eve-Radio, they've been good for/to the eve populace (mostly).
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:13:00 -
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This sucks. I hope you guys can pull through this, it would be a real shame to lose Eve-Radio, they've been good for/to the eve populace (mostly).
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 15:33:30
No offence guys, but I read this post and the link on the forum and I haven't a clue what's going on besides that you're being told you may be in breach of any number of copyright laws for unspecified reasons.
A little more information here, guys? I'm sure GSC didn't mail you "HAY GUYS. UR IN BREACH OF COPYRITE LAwS LOLOLOL". Perhaps you could post the mail you actually got here or if not here, on the ER forums.
I can lend blind support by saying "I support Eve Radio" but that will help nobody. A hundred, a thousand or even ten thousand guys on a forum screaming "Nooo!" and saying they give you support isn't going to help. I'd rather understand the situation and give any help I can in resolving it than be a part of a giant online complaint about something a company we have absolutely no influence with is doing.
What's going on guys? I'd appreciate details more than blind hope.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 15:33:30
No offence guys, but I read this post and the link on the forum and I haven't a clue what's going on besides that you're being told you may be in breach of any number of copyright laws for unspecified reasons.
A little more information here, guys? I'm sure GSC didn't mail you "HAY GUYS. UR IN BREACH OF COPYRITE LAwS LOLOLOL". Perhaps you could post the mail you actually got here or if not here, on the ER forums.
I can lend blind support by saying "I support Eve Radio" but that will help nobody. A hundred, a thousand or even ten thousand guys on a forum screaming "Nooo!" and saying they give you support isn't going to help. I'd rather understand the situation and give any help I can in resolving it than be a part of a giant online complaint about something a company we have absolutely no influence with is doing.
What's going on guys? I'd appreciate details more than blind hope.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:53:00 -
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That really sucks, in a way it's a compliment though that you have become big enough to pop up on their radio.
At a guess they are going to point you into a royalties contract stating that you are free to play songs from X Y and Z Labels in return for x ú a year.
They blanket royalty agreements aren't usually as much as you'd think but it could put a nail in the coffin which really sucks. I love my eve radio.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.04 15:53:00 -
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That really sucks, in a way it's a compliment though that you have become big enough to pop up on their radio.
At a guess they are going to point you into a royalties contract stating that you are free to play songs from X Y and Z Labels in return for x ú a year.
They blanket royalty agreements aren't usually as much as you'd think but it could put a nail in the coffin which really sucks. I love my eve radio.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:09:00 -
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So who played an Elton John record?
He likes his royalties.
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Mirus Crosius
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:09:00 -
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So who played an Elton John record?
He likes his royalties.
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Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rinny Wee on 04/11/2004 16:15:34
Nyphur,
At the moment we are still wading through a mountain of paperwork and are currently discussing our options.
Once we get a bit more concrete information and a better idea of what the actual options are, we will be sure to let everyone know.
If you are serious in wanting to help out in more than just lending your verbal (written) support, feel free to email me [email protected] and give me an idea of what you have in mind.
Thanks.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rinny Wee on 04/11/2004 16:15:34
Nyphur,
At the moment we are still wading through a mountain of paperwork and are currently discussing our options.
Once we get a bit more concrete information and a better idea of what the actual options are, we will be sure to let everyone know.
If you are serious in wanting to help out in more than just lending your verbal (written) support, feel free to email me [email protected] and give me an idea of what you have in mind.
Thanks.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:13:00 -
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Nyphur, we're not asking for people to sign a petition - nor would we expect 5,000 saying they want EVE-Radio to make a blind bit of difference. But, it helps keep us strong, knowing we have you guys behind us.
As for the post not being very descriptive, unfortunately, we have been advised not to go in to much detail. We cannot post a copy of the email, as there is no such email. The contact was made by postal mail and telephone call.
To give you a better idea, a quote from the letter sent:
ôOur client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.ö
This is the absolute limit of detail I can go in to at this stage.
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
EVE Radio
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:13:00 -
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Nyphur, we're not asking for people to sign a petition - nor would we expect 5,000 saying they want EVE-Radio to make a blind bit of difference. But, it helps keep us strong, knowing we have you guys behind us.
As for the post not being very descriptive, unfortunately, we have been advised not to go in to much detail. We cannot post a copy of the email, as there is no such email. The contact was made by postal mail and telephone call.
To give you a better idea, a quote from the letter sent:
ôOur client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.ö
This is the absolute limit of detail I can go in to at this stage.
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Diaego
Manager and Lead Producer
EVE Radio - http://www.eve-radio.com
[email protected] |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 16:38:15
Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 16:36:12
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Edited by: Rinny Wee on 04/11/2004 16:15:34If you are serious in wanting to help out in more than just lending your verbal (written) support, feel free to email me [email protected] and give me an idea of what you have in mind.
Rinny, I'm not a lawyer and I have no resources at my disposal, but I would like to lend whatever help I possibly can. I'll accept it if I can't offer any help more than saying a hearty "Good luck!", but more information on the topic couldn't hurt. Keep everyone informed, I say, and see what we can all come up with. I'm sure one of us can help dig out a solution and I'd certainly like to help.
Originally by: EVE Radio
Nyphur, we're not asking for people to sign a petition - nor would we expect 5,000 saying they want EVE-Radio to make a blind bit of difference. But, it helps keep us strong, knowing we have you guys behind us.
“Our client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.”
I understand. You have my full support and anything within my power that I think might help, I will do. This may be nothing or it may be giving a little advice from my limited legal persective. It may even be ideas on how to come up with cash if you're charged royalties but still want to continue. Anything I can do, I will. Until more information is brought to light, I will add my name to that long long list of Eve radio supporters which is currently forming. The best of luck to Eve Radio in your endevours, both in Eve and out of Eve.
Use of sound recordings in your service.. hmm. The age old question - is an internet radio station still a radio station if it doesn't transmit on Radio Frequency EM bands? I think the answer is, sadly, yes. Internet Radio stations have to abide by radio transmitting standards, but if Eve Radio is based in the US, this may be of interest to you:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/1433921
It's a news article on a new "Internet Radio Fairness Act", exempting all businesses making a gross revenue below six million US dollars from paying any copyright royalty fees. You may want to ask your lawyers about this Act and see where it is in effect. If it's in effect in the state that Eve radio is based in, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Otherwise, you may want to move the servers to a state which does enforce this Act.
I hope that helps at all.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 16:38:15
Edited by: Nyphur on 04/11/2004 16:36:12
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Edited by: Rinny Wee on 04/11/2004 16:15:34If you are serious in wanting to help out in more than just lending your verbal (written) support, feel free to email me [email protected] and give me an idea of what you have in mind.
Rinny, I'm not a lawyer and I have no resources at my disposal, but I would like to lend whatever help I possibly can. I'll accept it if I can't offer any help more than saying a hearty "Good luck!", but more information on the topic couldn't hurt. Keep everyone informed, I say, and see what we can all come up with. I'm sure one of us can help dig out a solution and I'd certainly like to help.
Originally by: EVE Radio
Nyphur, we're not asking for people to sign a petition - nor would we expect 5,000 saying they want EVE-Radio to make a blind bit of difference. But, it helps keep us strong, knowing we have you guys behind us.
“Our client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.”
I understand. You have my full support and anything within my power that I think might help, I will do. This may be nothing or it may be giving a little advice from my limited legal persective. It may even be ideas on how to come up with cash if you're charged royalties but still want to continue. Anything I can do, I will. Until more information is brought to light, I will add my name to that long long list of Eve radio supporters which is currently forming. The best of luck to Eve Radio in your endevours, both in Eve and out of Eve.
Use of sound recordings in your service.. hmm. The age old question - is an internet radio station still a radio station if it doesn't transmit on Radio Frequency EM bands? I think the answer is, sadly, yes. Internet Radio stations have to abide by radio transmitting standards, but if Eve Radio is based in the US, this may be of interest to you:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/1433921
It's a news article on a new "Internet Radio Fairness Act", exempting all businesses making a gross revenue below six million US dollars from paying any copyright royalty fees. You may want to ask your lawyers about this Act and see where it is in effect. If it's in effect in the state that Eve radio is based in, you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Otherwise, you may want to move the servers to a state which does enforce this Act.
I hope that helps at all.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:39:00 -
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Quote:
To give you a better idea, a quote from the letter sent:
ôOur client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.ö
Sounds to me like the problem is more likely to come from a soundbite in an advert rather than some music?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:39:00 -
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Quote:
To give you a better idea, a quote from the letter sent:
ôOur client is concerned that use of sound recordings in your service may not be licensed.ö
Sounds to me like the problem is more likely to come from a soundbite in an advert rather than some music?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:41:00 -
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haters man :>
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Shalmaneser ili
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:41:00 -
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haters man :>
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:44:00 -
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You give me a paypal account to send funds and I'll help that way a bit.
CJ
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Celticjim
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Posted - 2004.11.04 16:44:00 -
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You give me a paypal account to send funds and I'll help that way a bit.
CJ
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:03:00 -
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Think CCP would help out?
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:03:00 -
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Think CCP would help out?
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Keltin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Do you receive money for Eve-Radio?
Is it a business? Is this something you do with spare time?
Do you offer free downloads of copywrited materials?
I think those are the key questions here. If you are only playing music for people to listen to and do not charge them for the service I don't see a problem here. I see you receive donations, so maybe they want a piece of that. It's unfortunate these guys have come after you.
You may have to remove some of your services and not ask for donations anymore. Take your time and find out your rights before folding over!
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Keltin
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:16:00 -
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Do you receive money for Eve-Radio?
Is it a business? Is this something you do with spare time?
Do you offer free downloads of copywrited materials?
I think those are the key questions here. If you are only playing music for people to listen to and do not charge them for the service I don't see a problem here. I see you receive donations, so maybe they want a piece of that. It's unfortunate these guys have come after you.
You may have to remove some of your services and not ask for donations anymore. Take your time and find out your rights before folding over!
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:40:00 -
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As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you. 
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:40:00 -
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As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Skogul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rinny Wee
As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
I never listen to Eve Radio, so I couldn't really care less, but ...
We Shriners got threatened by the Ancient Sekrit Mystical High Order of the Inner Circle Mystic Sekrit Shriners of the Arabic US of A (or whatever the hell their name was) for our website. This was after the website (and domain) was up for, you know, 6+ years. Anyway, our leader Nate got a lawyer buddy of his to write them a nice, firm "STFU" letter stating that we were in no way impersonating the real Shriners to get donations or anything like that, we weren't making money off of it, it was a parody site and anyone with any sense could see that, etc. In the end, they settled for us placing a disclaimer on the website, and that was that.
If you've got published places for people to send you donations, that's probably a large part of your problem. If money is coming your way and you're broadcasting copyrighted material, I think you're going to be in big trouble soonish. Good luck. Hopefully your legal troubles will turn out as well as ours did (but I'm not so sure they will, unfortunately).
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Skogul
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Posted - 2004.11.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rinny Wee
As you said, we receive donations - these and the Google links we have are our only sources of income and it all goes back into paying server costs and the costs of running the station.
We are non profit. None of us gets paid. We do not charge listeners for the right to tune into us.
Thank you for all the support, btw guys, this is really great of you.
I never listen to Eve Radio, so I couldn't really care less, but ...
We Shriners got threatened by the Ancient Sekrit Mystical High Order of the Inner Circle Mystic Sekrit Shriners of the Arabic US of A (or whatever the hell their name was) for our website. This was after the website (and domain) was up for, you know, 6+ years. Anyway, our leader Nate got a lawyer buddy of his to write them a nice, firm "STFU" letter stating that we were in no way impersonating the real Shriners to get donations or anything like that, we weren't making money off of it, it was a parody site and anyone with any sense could see that, etc. In the end, they settled for us placing a disclaimer on the website, and that was that.
If you've got published places for people to send you donations, that's probably a large part of your problem. If money is coming your way and you're broadcasting copyrighted material, I think you're going to be in big trouble soonish. Good luck. Hopefully your legal troubles will turn out as well as ours did (but I'm not so sure they will, unfortunately).
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 04/11/2004 19:36:39
I did the old search for info. As with law, its pretty grey area with 'non-profit' webcast stations. In fact I find no true reference or exlusion for them (yet). Some of the best references I found were here
Non-profit stations with similar issues
News article
RIAA FAQ On Webcasting
Those are all US based laws however. UK is more ambiguos so not sure there.
Incidently, shoutcast which monitors internet webcasts had eve-Radio at #618 here with 31,402 tune in over a 30 day period
Almost all reference point to that you must pay to broadcast music. In the UK the PRS handle this. Specific page here
The shoutcast forums have several posts on the topic.
I hope that is of some help. Either way, we cant have Eve-radio taken of the air!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 04/11/2004 19:36:39
I did the old search for info. As with law, its pretty grey area with 'non-profit' webcast stations. In fact I find no true reference or exlusion for them (yet). Some of the best references I found were here
Non-profit stations with similar issues
News article
RIAA FAQ On Webcasting
Those are all US based laws however. UK is more ambiguos so not sure there.
Incidently, shoutcast which monitors internet webcasts had eve-Radio at #618 here with 31,402 tune in over a 30 day period
Almost all reference point to that you must pay to broadcast music. In the UK the PRS handle this. Specific page here
The shoutcast forums have several posts on the topic.
I hope that is of some help. Either way, we cant have Eve-radio taken of the air!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:38:00 -
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GNN got shut down too by copyright people. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Eve Radio too.
Would be a shame..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.11.04 19:38:00 -
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GNN got shut down too by copyright people. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens to Eve Radio too.
Would be a shame..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:05:00 -
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now arent there anymore these nice server hosts in countries like russia that ask for a tad more in hosting fees, but therefore offer a shield from any juristic actions?
not that i suggest doing anything considered in some country illegal 
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:05:00 -
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now arent there anymore these nice server hosts in countries like russia that ask for a tad more in hosting fees, but therefore offer a shield from any juristic actions?
not that i suggest doing anything considered in some country illegal
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Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:09:00 -
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Are they aware EVE-Radio has been directly responsible for me buying more CD's than I ever would have without it? A lot of my favorite bands I first heard on EVE-Radio, and now I own their CD's directly because of this.
Frankly I hate these RIAA type lawyers.
Hope you guys pull through, but if not I'm sure EVE-Radio2 will be up and running a few hours after the original is forced to shut down.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:09:00 -
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Are they aware EVE-Radio has been directly responsible for me buying more CD's than I ever would have without it? A lot of my favorite bands I first heard on EVE-Radio, and now I own their CD's directly because of this.
Frankly I hate these RIAA type lawyers.
Hope you guys pull through, but if not I'm sure EVE-Radio2 will be up and running a few hours after the original is forced to shut down.
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Elise Masutra
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:27:00 -
[51]
would be a shame if u can't keep on brardcasting. i really like it 
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Elise Masutra
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:27:00 -
[52]
would be a shame if u can't keep on brardcasting. i really like it
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
DJMike
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:37:00 -
[53]
Darn
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Covenant US-Time Zone Director
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DJMike
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:37:00 -
[54]
Darn
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Covenant US-Time Zone Director
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:53:00 -
[55]
There aint no fat lady here, so dont write us off just yet.
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.04 20:53:00 -
[56]
There aint no fat lady here, so dont write us off just yet.
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:34:00 -
[57]
Maybe the EFF can help you?
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Quantum Industries
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2004.11.04 21:34:00 -
[58]
Maybe the EFF can help you?
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Quantum Industries
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Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Katjia on 04/11/2004 23:19:20
Sorry to say the only way to beat this is to out smart them the next time around. The rules that they will try to enforce upon you are not meant to be doable they are meant to get you off the air/web. The best solution in the future is to base the servers somewhere where internet laws are a bit weak, ie russia,south africa,ukraine, latvia. Forgot what countries do not fall under the international law agreement but they could be risky to deal with. So much for home of the free...US lawyers strike again. well at least in alaska it is legal to have 4 oz of pot on you :)
Tho this is not in the same boat as you they may be able to help you out ther is a group of lawyers that defend "hackers" that know cyberlaw like no other ...forgot the link but i will put it up when i find it.
edit : oh yea almost forgot.....big lawyer group like this that work for the music industry is why i have never paid for music since Napster got eaten up. By paying for the music your are paying ther lawyers.
not saying everyone should do the same got to be smart about it :P
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:11:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Katjia on 04/11/2004 23:19:20
Sorry to say the only way to beat this is to out smart them the next time around. The rules that they will try to enforce upon you are not meant to be doable they are meant to get you off the air/web. The best solution in the future is to base the servers somewhere where internet laws are a bit weak, ie russia,south africa,ukraine, latvia. Forgot what countries do not fall under the international law agreement but they could be risky to deal with. So much for home of the free...US lawyers strike again. well at least in alaska it is legal to have 4 oz of pot on you :)
Tho this is not in the same boat as you they may be able to help you out ther is a group of lawyers that defend "hackers" that know cyberlaw like no other ...forgot the link but i will put it up when i find it.
edit : oh yea almost forgot.....big lawyer group like this that work for the music industry is why i have never paid for music since Napster got eaten up. By paying for the music your are paying ther lawyers.
not saying everyone should do the same got to be smart about it :P
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:27:00 -
[61]
NEWSFLASH!!!!!
I just received the points where GSC sues EVE Radio on:
1: We accuse EVE Radio of being responsible of broadcasting a low quality mp3 stream which no one in their right minds would assume to be high quality CD rips which he then continues to rip off the stream and spread around the internet using a peer to peer program.
2: We accuse EVE Radio of bringing free commerciality to our clients songs through 24/7 broadcasting to about 300 people at peak times, which is a huge infringement on the "we want free commerciality rule" and brings us hundreds of dollars of profit.
3: We accuse EVE Radio of being responsible for the fact that we can't prove that they use illegal music records at all, and so we have to sue them because we want to shut down what ever proof we might get that says otherwise, seeing as this legal mumbo-jumbo is total wackness itself in the matter of us being total ****s in a way that ****es most poeple off for their total lack of respect for volunteer work that keeps a few hundred people entertained.
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Now, could someone tell me which player had the audacity to get EVE Radio this treatment? Or is that GSC collaboration going to say that they found this broadcast in total coincidence? A broadcast which is only listened to by a select group of people.
Can anyone see my point?
I'll put down 10 euros that those sollicitors are american.
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:27:00 -
[62]
NEWSFLASH!!!!!
I just received the points where GSC sues EVE Radio on:
1: We accuse EVE Radio of being responsible of broadcasting a low quality mp3 stream which no one in their right minds would assume to be high quality CD rips which he then continues to rip off the stream and spread around the internet using a peer to peer program.
2: We accuse EVE Radio of bringing free commerciality to our clients songs through 24/7 broadcasting to about 300 people at peak times, which is a huge infringement on the "we want free commerciality rule" and brings us hundreds of dollars of profit.
3: We accuse EVE Radio of being responsible for the fact that we can't prove that they use illegal music records at all, and so we have to sue them because we want to shut down what ever proof we might get that says otherwise, seeing as this legal mumbo-jumbo is total wackness itself in the matter of us being total ****s in a way that ****es most poeple off for their total lack of respect for volunteer work that keeps a few hundred people entertained.
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Now, could someone tell me which player had the audacity to get EVE Radio this treatment? Or is that GSC collaboration going to say that they found this broadcast in total coincidence? A broadcast which is only listened to by a select group of people.
Can anyone see my point?
I'll put down 10 euros that those sollicitors are american.
Gamersland.nl, DE site voor PC gaming! |
Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:30:00 -
[63]
These people are sick, they are getting more money from sales of cd's and mp3's that eve radio actively 'tell' people to guy (got this from hmv online etc etc) the diversity of the music means that more people hear more bands/singers and mean they realise they like a whole new different type they never thought they would.
If I could swear on here I would be turning the air bright BLUE.
Eve-radio is an important part of EVE for me and would ruin my enjoyment of this game...
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.11.04 23:30:00 -
[64]
These people are sick, they are getting more money from sales of cd's and mp3's that eve radio actively 'tell' people to guy (got this from hmv online etc etc) the diversity of the music means that more people hear more bands/singers and mean they realise they like a whole new different type they never thought they would.
If I could swear on here I would be turning the air bright BLUE.
Eve-radio is an important part of EVE for me and would ruin my enjoyment of this game...
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
DJ Daddy
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:20:00 -
[65]
It always annoys me when some rich group of idiots ***** down on the little guys.
If we did pay these guys, they probably wouldn't even notice the difference in their bank balance. They probably spend 10x our monthly costs on a delivered sandwich lunch for their board meetings.
We peak at around 300 listeners, we don't get paid a cent for this (not even ISK) and the quality we broadcast at is hardly conducive to musical theft.
All the money we bring in is to keep the servers running, so we can entertain Eve players (and ourselves, of course).
I find this situation annoying, because I enjoy DJing for you guys (despite the fact I suck at it like Doby on Blades' teat) I enjoy giving away stupid amounts of ISK, and I enjoy enlightening you with some of the finest tunes the world has to offer. (Thank you Rolf Harris)
I hope we can get this sorted out, and I hope we don't have to cut back on quality or service to accomodate the undoubtedly ridiculous demands of these vultures/leeches.
Anyway, to end my post on a self-pimping note: Tune in on the 10th November 1900GMT to hear my Fanfest special, where I will be playing my awful travelog entries, and interviews with a couple of players and a handful of devs in various states of inebriation, and possibly me being insulting to various unnamed players. Hopefully, I'll be able to edit the huge wads of footage I have into something suitable for broadcast, but knowing me, I won't. We had some rather generous donators recently too, and I hope to be able to give out a rather well kitted out battleship during the show too, if I can think of a decent way of doing it, that doesn't involve me, a bottle of whiskey and a breathalyser.
Join in, and help me kick the arse out of Blades and Doby's highest listener counts I promise to play a couple of good tunes, too. 
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DJ Daddy - father of the airwaves... |
DJ Daddy
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:20:00 -
[66]
It always annoys me when some rich group of idiots ***** down on the little guys.
If we did pay these guys, they probably wouldn't even notice the difference in their bank balance. They probably spend 10x our monthly costs on a delivered sandwich lunch for their board meetings.
We peak at around 300 listeners, we don't get paid a cent for this (not even ISK) and the quality we broadcast at is hardly conducive to musical theft.
All the money we bring in is to keep the servers running, so we can entertain Eve players (and ourselves, of course).
I find this situation annoying, because I enjoy DJing for you guys (despite the fact I suck at it like Doby on Blades' teat) I enjoy giving away stupid amounts of ISK, and I enjoy enlightening you with some of the finest tunes the world has to offer. (Thank you Rolf Harris)
I hope we can get this sorted out, and I hope we don't have to cut back on quality or service to accomodate the undoubtedly ridiculous demands of these vultures/leeches.
Anyway, to end my post on a self-pimping note: Tune in on the 10th November 1900GMT to hear my Fanfest special, where I will be playing my awful travelog entries, and interviews with a couple of players and a handful of devs in various states of inebriation, and possibly me being insulting to various unnamed players. Hopefully, I'll be able to edit the huge wads of footage I have into something suitable for broadcast, but knowing me, I won't. We had some rather generous donators recently too, and I hope to be able to give out a rather well kitted out battleship during the show too, if I can think of a decent way of doing it, that doesn't involve me, a bottle of whiskey and a breathalyser.
Join in, and help me kick the arse out of Blades and Doby's highest listener counts I promise to play a couple of good tunes, too.
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DJ Daddy - father of the airwaves... |
Rocius
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:21:00 -
[67]
I hope you guys get this straightned out, this is total crap. I have only listened in a few times, but it is still a nice thing that you guys (and gals) do.
Originally by: Reiisha
I'll put down 10 euros that those sollicitors are american.
And as for you.....screw off....  I get tired of folks that just LOVE to bash others for the sole sake of making themselves feel better.or whatever the hell gets your twisted mind off....
Dont take your gaming too serious ! |
Rocius
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:21:00 -
[68]
I hope you guys get this straightned out, this is total crap. I have only listened in a few times, but it is still a nice thing that you guys (and gals) do.
Originally by: Reiisha
I'll put down 10 euros that those sollicitors are american.
And as for you.....screw off.... I get tired of folks that just LOVE to bash others for the sole sake of making themselves feel better.or whatever the hell gets your twisted mind off....
Dont take your gaming too serious ! |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:35:00 -
[69]
Please don't turn this into a "omg American lawyers are such scum" argument, it's pointless and I'll get snarky. And FYI, I believe the law firm involved were British, not that it makes any freaking bit of difference where they're from, the point is they're trying to milk us for cash and/or shut us down.
Let's focus on the essentials, guys.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:35:00 -
[70]
Please don't turn this into a "omg American lawyers are such scum" argument, it's pointless and I'll get snarky. And FYI, I believe the law firm involved were British, not that it makes any freaking bit of difference where they're from, the point is they're trying to milk us for cash and/or shut us down.
Let's focus on the essentials, guys.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:47:00 -
[71]
You guys know we're behind you :)
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:47:00 -
[72]
You guys know we're behind you :)
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:59:00 -
[73]
Lawyers suck.
Disclaimer; im inteligent, but as educated as a chimp in these regards.
So say they continue being all shirty. Bow down in awe at thier legalese, then route it through some country with less laws than mars.
Aye's to the right?
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.05 00:59:00 -
[74]
Lawyers suck.
Disclaimer; im inteligent, but as educated as a chimp in these regards.
So say they continue being all shirty. Bow down in awe at thier legalese, then route it through some country with less laws than mars.
Aye's to the right?
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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00'00
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Posted - 2004.11.05 01:40:00 -
[75]
Sad, very sad. Corporate greed will not stop until all things we love are attached with a royalty fee. I don't think it matters what nationality these GSC meatheads are, they're the lowest form of life as far as I'm concerned.
But hey let's not stop at shutting down non-profit internet radios, don't forget about all those ppl that sing at Karaoke night, or sing in the shower, or hum when waiting for a bus. They must be costing the industry billions alone, after all they are infringing on copyright material. I just can not sleep at night knowing that ppl are stealing music from those starving Record Labels and Artists. How will they eat?
There is no Justice in this world if you shutdown!
EVE-Radio I give you mad props for all the entertainment you have provided, the DJ who put their time in the best MMOG radio ever, and if you do shutdown, I won't forget. 
No guarantee of sanity under this line:
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Dance Dance Mammoth - Revolution |
00'00
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Posted - 2004.11.05 01:40:00 -
[76]
Sad, very sad. Corporate greed will not stop until all things we love are attached with a royalty fee. I don't think it matters what nationality these GSC meatheads are, they're the lowest form of life as far as I'm concerned.
But hey let's not stop at shutting down non-profit internet radios, don't forget about all those ppl that sing at Karaoke night, or sing in the shower, or hum when waiting for a bus. They must be costing the industry billions alone, after all they are infringing on copyright material. I just can not sleep at night knowing that ppl are stealing music from those starving Record Labels and Artists. How will they eat?
There is no Justice in this world if you shutdown!
EVE-Radio I give you mad props for all the entertainment you have provided, the DJ who put their time in the best MMOG radio ever, and if you do shutdown, I won't forget.
No guarantee of sanity under this line:
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Dance Dance Mammoth - Revolution |
Leipuri
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Posted - 2004.11.05 02:27:00 -
[77]
It doesnt have to mean end of eve radio. In case its about some copyright issue. then just stop playing that artist songs (who sued). Most of artists dont mind if their songs are played in net radio and lot of new artists actually hope making name for themself if their songs are played in net radios.
I say find out who sued and why and stop playing his lame *** music, so we dont have to listen him.
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Leipuri
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Posted - 2004.11.05 02:27:00 -
[78]
It doesnt have to mean end of eve radio. In case its about some copyright issue. then just stop playing that artist songs (who sued). Most of artists dont mind if their songs are played in net radio and lot of new artists actually hope making name for themself if their songs are played in net radios.
I say find out who sued and why and stop playing his lame *** music, so we dont have to listen him.
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Kamikazee Joe
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Posted - 2004.11.05 02:53:00 -
[79]
Tis probly all the Tallica i request, Lars is not a happy camper!!!
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Kamikazee Joe
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Posted - 2004.11.05 02:53:00 -
[80]
Tis probly all the Tallica i request, Lars is not a happy camper!!!
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:33:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Nyphur on 05/11/2004 10:42:17
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Let's focus on the essentials, guys.
Right. Have a peek at this:
http://radio.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting%5Frates%5Ffinal.html
EDIT: I removed my reccomendation of Live365 after reading their Pricing scheme and Terms of Service. It's an absolute joke...
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2004.11.05 10:33:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Nyphur on 05/11/2004 10:42:17
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Let's focus on the essentials, guys.
Right. Have a peek at this:
http://radio.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting%5Frates%5Ffinal.html
EDIT: I removed my reccomendation of Live365 after reading their Pricing scheme and Terms of Service. It's an absolute joke...
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dreddish
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Posted - 2004.11.05 11:36:00 -
[83]
Best get this one nailed down fast in case you get slapped with a massive legal bill amounting to hundreds of thousands. Some legal firms charge 1500.00 per hour so that could be a legal fee of 12k per day and you will have to pay them if you lose the case.
If it is dragged over months or even years this could utterly ruin you and result in homes being repossessed and other assets taken by bailiffs to recover the legal fees.
what country are you in/operating eve radio from ? And see yer lawyers as fast as possible.
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dreddish
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Posted - 2004.11.05 11:36:00 -
[84]
Best get this one nailed down fast in case you get slapped with a massive legal bill amounting to hundreds of thousands. Some legal firms charge 1500.00 per hour so that could be a legal fee of 12k per day and you will have to pay them if you lose the case.
If it is dragged over months or even years this could utterly ruin you and result in homes being repossessed and other assets taken by bailiffs to recover the legal fees.
what country are you in/operating eve radio from ? And see yer lawyers as fast as possible.
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:08:00 -
[85]
its just sad that some ppl would try to stop a group of internet gamers (nerds) from listening to music while playing a game....its all about 1 thing..money...as if the blood sucking lawyers and there virus host the record companys dont have enough money .... sad world we live in
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Dufas
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:08:00 -
[86]
its just sad that some ppl would try to stop a group of internet gamers (nerds) from listening to music while playing a game....its all about 1 thing..money...as if the blood sucking lawyers and there virus host the record companys dont have enough money .... sad world we live in
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Rustbucket
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:36:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Rustbucket on 05/11/2004 12:39:47
Like all these things, people see people having fun
and then try and put a stop to it. Its a tribute to eve radio for what a fantastic job they do and how professional these people are that do it for free an d the good of all of us here.
I hope some of the professional radio stations will give eve radio some advice over this properly, so that the DJ of the future and turn the tables and we can enjoy there brilliant music. Maybe they could get sponsored by these raido companies who knows.
When some adminstrator shows and cries it just show how good they have become.
There is a lot of new up and coming bands in europe that would cry for a slot on eve radio and im sure they would not be worried about any copyright issues about there own content just be glad to get on air to a big audiance.
Freedom Confederation
Fighting For Free Space |
Rustbucket
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Posted - 2004.11.05 12:36:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Rustbucket on 05/11/2004 12:39:47
Like all these things, people see people having fun
and then try and put a stop to it. Its a tribute to eve radio for what a fantastic job they do and how professional these people are that do it for free an d the good of all of us here.
I hope some of the professional radio stations will give eve radio some advice over this properly, so that the DJ of the future and turn the tables and we can enjoy there brilliant music. Maybe they could get sponsored by these raido companies who knows.
When some adminstrator shows and cries it just show how good they have become.
There is a lot of new up and coming bands in europe that would cry for a slot on eve radio and im sure they would not be worried about any copyright issues about there own content just be glad to get on air to a big audiance.
Freedom Confederation
Fighting For Free Space |
News
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:38:00 -
[89]
Can you at least let us know which recording label (or whatever other business) is behind all of this? Just so we can make damn sure not to buy any of their stuff from now on
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News
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:38:00 -
[90]
Can you at least let us know which recording label (or whatever other business) is behind all of this? Just so we can make damn sure not to buy any of their stuff from now on
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Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:53:00 -
[91]
I've just realised I'll be right near the solcitiors on Tuesday...I might leave a little message outside their door..a nice steaming one. *innocent whistle*
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Dalmont Delantee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 13:53:00 -
[92]
I've just realised I'll be right near the solcitiors on Tuesday...I might leave a little message outside their door..a nice steaming one. *innocent whistle*
Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons |
Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.05 15:32:00 -
[93]
maybe you could play nothing but Doby specials.. there's nothing illegal about that 
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.11.05 15:32:00 -
[94]
maybe you could play nothing but Doby specials.. there's nothing illegal about that
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.05 15:54:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Soren
maybe you could play nothing but Doby specials.. there's nothing illegal about that
There should be, tbh.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.05 15:54:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Soren
maybe you could play nothing but Doby specials.. there's nothing illegal about that
There should be, tbh.
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Wormfoot
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:23:00 -
[97]
I broadcasted on Live365.com for two years. They handle all of the royalty issues for you, which eliminates a major headache.
Their pricing is competitive, especially considering the face that the fees include the royalties. Play what you want and you'll never get one of these "cease and desist" letters.
The Live365 fee could be easily defrayed by donations from listeners, which is allowed under the Live365 Terms of Service.
I highly recommend them.
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Wormfoot
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:23:00 -
[98]
I broadcasted on Live365.com for two years. They handle all of the royalty issues for you, which eliminates a major headache.
Their pricing is competitive, especially considering the face that the fees include the royalties. Play what you want and you'll never get one of these "cease and desist" letters.
The Live365 fee could be easily defrayed by donations from listeners, which is allowed under the Live365 Terms of Service.
I highly recommend them.
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Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:28:00 -
[99]
Thank you for the suggestion, Wormfoot, it will be added to the growing list of ideas. As for which record company are doing this, I don't have that information and tbh, I am not even certain it's a record company.
I will endeavour to get some more information asap and update you all.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:28:00 -
[100]
Thank you for the suggestion, Wormfoot, it will be added to the growing list of ideas. As for which record company are doing this, I don't have that information and tbh, I am not even certain it's a record company.
I will endeavour to get some more information asap and update you all.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:29:00 -
[101]
And in other news "Fun" has been outlawed.
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Kitten Hearder
Evolution made my sig
Less Entertaining
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.11.05 16:29:00 -
[102]
And in other news "Fun" has been outlawed.
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Kitten Hearder
Evolution made my sig
Less Entertaining
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.05 17:22:00 -
[103]
Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/11/2004 17:26:48
GSC are just the name of the solicitors (Who specialise in broadcasting law) who are acting on behalf of a client.
Tell them too kiss your ass and like it..
i wish i owned eve radio. i tell them im already in debt and take a number. there just bs-ing you. i say they wont sew..
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2004.11.05 17:22:00 -
[104]
Edited by: OffBeaT on 05/11/2004 17:26:48
GSC are just the name of the solicitors (Who specialise in broadcasting law) who are acting on behalf of a client.
Tell them too kiss your ass and like it..
i wish i owned eve radio. i tell them im already in debt and take a number. there just bs-ing you. i say they wont sew..
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.05 17:26:00 -
[105]
Check this site out.
http://www.havenco.com/
I read about this a few years ago. Basically this guy bought an old World War II British gun platform off the coast of Britain, but just inside International Waters. The British government then tried to extend their territory and annex him, forcing him to obey all UK laws. He took them to the courts and successfully won the case, claiming they were effectively invading etc, and was granted status as a sovereign state, known as Sealand.
He set up the platform as a web server and offers space to people looking to avoid any Imperial....*cough*....British entanglements.
Might be a solution to your issues: no restrictions, still close to UK and hopefully better service and equipment reliability than basing in a far away riskier country.
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Supay
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Posted - 2004.11.05 17:26:00 -
[106]
Check this site out.
http://www.havenco.com/
I read about this a few years ago. Basically this guy bought an old World War II British gun platform off the coast of Britain, but just inside International Waters. The British government then tried to extend their territory and annex him, forcing him to obey all UK laws. He took them to the courts and successfully won the case, claiming they were effectively invading etc, and was granted status as a sovereign state, known as Sealand.
He set up the platform as a web server and offers space to people looking to avoid any Imperial....*cough*....British entanglements.
Might be a solution to your issues: no restrictions, still close to UK and hopefully better service and equipment reliability than basing in a far away riskier country.
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.05 18:07:00 -
[107]
Urghh, someone said Live365.
I actually started my 'net broadcasting through them and stuck it out for a couple of years before it all became too unmanageable. Without going into details, an operation live Eve Radio would not work within Live365's infrastructure.
And the first person to suggest SWCast.net I'll crucify on tuesday.
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MrBlades
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Posted - 2004.11.05 18:07:00 -
[108]
Urghh, someone said Live365.
I actually started my 'net broadcasting through them and stuck it out for a couple of years before it all became too unmanageable. Without going into details, an operation live Eve Radio would not work within Live365's infrastructure.
And the first person to suggest SWCast.net I'll crucify on tuesday.
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.11.05 18:24:00 -
[109]
We in the EVE community will just have to start submitting our own homemade songs. Maybe I'll dust off my guitar tonight and think of some lyrics while getting it back in tune or something.
"and number one this week, for the 4th straight week, is Dirtball with Your Momma Flys A Bestower"
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2004.11.05 18:24:00 -
[110]
We in the EVE community will just have to start submitting our own homemade songs. Maybe I'll dust off my guitar tonight and think of some lyrics while getting it back in tune or something.
"and number one this week, for the 4th straight week, is Dirtball with Your Momma Flys A Bestower"
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:15:00 -
[111]
lol dirtball - i'd play it :)
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:15:00 -
[112]
lol dirtball - i'd play it :)
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:45:00 -
[113]
I hope you win, and you should. After all you're making no profit here.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:45:00 -
[114]
I hope you win, and you should. After all you're making no profit here.
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Zelfor
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:59:00 -
[115]
im sure there plenty of EVE-Radio listeners that have some....errrm.......interesting skills............ i wonder what GSC could do if they didnt have working computers but of course it would be illegal, so forget i said anything
"we all have the power to change the world. but few know how to utilize it"
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Zelfor
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Posted - 2004.11.05 21:59:00 -
[116]
im sure there plenty of EVE-Radio listeners that have some....errrm.......interesting skills............ i wonder what GSC could do if they didnt have working computers but of course it would be illegal, so forget i said anything
"we all have the power to change the world. but few know how to utilize it"
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Canthus Prime
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Posted - 2004.11.05 23:37:00 -
[117]
A suggestion to CCP.
There was talk of m0o being made a new npc pirate corp, forget that, how about GSC pirate corp ? That way we could could shove a salvo of torps up their fat money grabing a@@@@@@@s.
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Canthus Prime
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Posted - 2004.11.05 23:37:00 -
[118]
A suggestion to CCP.
There was talk of m0o being made a new npc pirate corp, forget that, how about GSC pirate corp ? That way we could could shove a salvo of torps up their fat money grabing a@@@@@@@s.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.11.06 00:26:00 -
[119]
Well this sucks
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Capacitor research |
Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.11.06 00:26:00 -
[120]
Well this sucks
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Capacitor research |
Xharky
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Posted - 2004.11.06 01:37:00 -
[121]
mmm, a GSC(Giant Secure Can) Pirate corp....who flies giant boxes...have a bounty of 5000 per pirate, and pops with 1 torp...
Hope EVE-Radio wins this court case.
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Xharky
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Posted - 2004.11.06 01:37:00 -
[122]
mmm, a GSC(Giant Secure Can) Pirate corp....who flies giant boxes...have a bounty of 5000 per pirate, and pops with 1 torp...
Hope EVE-Radio wins this court case.
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Indra Sebuchiore
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:25:00 -
[123]
Hmm, I found this in an article here on online radio stations.
To quote a relevant part:
Recent changes to laws in the US mean that online radio stations must pay royalties on any music played. Organisations such as The Performing Right Society and Phonographic Performance Ltd oversee the collection and payment of royalties within the UK and online radio stations are not exempt.
Anyone wishing to broadcast copyrighted music must contact both of these organisations to agree on payment of royalties to the writer and performer.
... An internet-only based radio station must, however, pay royalties for pieces of music it plays.
Maybe it would simply be a question of relying on listener donations to keep it running, providing the fees weren't astronomical. I for one would be happy to donate real cash if it meant EVE-Radio stayed on air, and I'm sure many others would too.
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"In girum imus nocte, et consumimur igni."
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Indra Sebuchiore
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Posted - 2004.11.06 04:25:00 -
[124]
Hmm, I found this in an article here on online radio stations.
To quote a relevant part:
Recent changes to laws in the US mean that online radio stations must pay royalties on any music played. Organisations such as The Performing Right Society and Phonographic Performance Ltd oversee the collection and payment of royalties within the UK and online radio stations are not exempt.
Anyone wishing to broadcast copyrighted music must contact both of these organisations to agree on payment of royalties to the writer and performer.
... An internet-only based radio station must, however, pay royalties for pieces of music it plays.
Maybe it would simply be a question of relying on listener donations to keep it running, providing the fees weren't astronomical. I for one would be happy to donate real cash if it meant EVE-Radio stayed on air, and I'm sure many others would too.
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"In girum imus nocte, et consumimur igni."
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.11.06 06:45:00 -
[125]
It will be a sad day when and if Eve Radio have to stop offering their brilliant service because of these capitalist scum. I would like to wish the team at Eve Radio the best of luck in sorting out this debacle and may they find some comfort in knowing that the Eve community is behind them.
My concern for the closure/modification of Eve Radio's service is only surpassed by my concern for the dedicated team that manage and provide this service. I sincerley hope that this matter will not result in any personal legal ramifications for any of these individuals.
All the best guys!!!
The Sloth.
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The Sloth
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Posted - 2004.11.06 06:45:00 -
[126]
It will be a sad day when and if Eve Radio have to stop offering their brilliant service because of these capitalist scum. I would like to wish the team at Eve Radio the best of luck in sorting out this debacle and may they find some comfort in knowing that the Eve community is behind them.
My concern for the closure/modification of Eve Radio's service is only surpassed by my concern for the dedicated team that manage and provide this service. I sincerley hope that this matter will not result in any personal legal ramifications for any of these individuals.
All the best guys!!!
The Sloth.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.06 08:39:00 -
[127]
Could'nt the server be hosted in somewhere like russia. Im sure that GSC wouldn't be able to do anything if it was ?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.11.06 08:39:00 -
[128]
Could'nt the server be hosted in somewhere like russia. Im sure that GSC wouldn't be able to do anything if it was ?
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Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.06 12:14:00 -
[129]
/me looks at sutty's sig
/me grins
/me opens her mouth to say something
/me decides against it
Thanks sutty, this has already been suggested and added to the list of plans (I believe it's Plan Q).
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Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.06 12:14:00 -
[130]
/me looks at sutty's sig
/me grins
/me opens her mouth to say something
/me decides against it
Thanks sutty, this has already been suggested and added to the list of plans (I believe it's Plan Q).
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Asuri Lee
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Posted - 2004.11.06 16:34:00 -
[131]
99% certain that you are indeed in breach of copyright.
If you want to survive it's likely you will be required to provide audience data reports since you first went live to the extent of satisfying their solicitors.
Then they will require you to pay royalities for that time period.
You will probably need to speak to MCPS about payments now and in the future: http://www.mcps.co.uk/ - we pay them (RL) as we deal with ringtones.
Would also be worth talking to your local hospital radio and see if they can offer advice, they may for instance get excemptions for charity status.
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Asuri Lee
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Posted - 2004.11.06 16:34:00 -
[132]
99% certain that you are indeed in breach of copyright.
If you want to survive it's likely you will be required to provide audience data reports since you first went live to the extent of satisfying their solicitors.
Then they will require you to pay royalities for that time period.
You will probably need to speak to MCPS about payments now and in the future: http://www.mcps.co.uk/ - we pay them (RL) as we deal with ringtones.
Would also be worth talking to your local hospital radio and see if they can offer advice, they may for instance get excemptions for charity status.
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Frazzled
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Posted - 2004.11.06 18:25:00 -
[133]
So wherte is their head office? |
Frazzled
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Posted - 2004.11.06 18:25:00 -
[134]
So wherte is their head office? |
5p4c3m4n 5p1ff
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Posted - 2004.11.06 22:17:00 -
[135]
These GSC Solicitors, do they take ISK? I have a few billion laying around..
I'd buy their company and shut it down.
And all the recordlabels too, and make music free.
To Eve-Radio personel. I love you guys. I listen to your shows when I play, and somethimes when I clean the apartment.
I really hope you get trough this in one piece.
If it ends with you having to pay royalties, I will put up a montly payment to you guys, you really deserve it!!
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(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
5p4c3m4n 5p1ff
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Posted - 2004.11.06 22:17:00 -
[136]
These GSC Solicitors, do they take ISK? I have a few billion laying around..
I'd buy their company and shut it down.
And all the recordlabels too, and make music free.
To Eve-Radio personel. I love you guys. I listen to your shows when I play, and somethimes when I clean the apartment.
I really hope you get trough this in one piece.
If it ends with you having to pay royalties, I will put up a montly payment to you guys, you really deserve it!!
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(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2004.11.07 12:33:00 -
[137]
Well, we have the location of thier offices in London EC1, couldn't we hire m0o & Evolution to wtfpwn thier asses
Noo sig comming SOONÖ
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What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care! |
M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2004.11.07 12:33:00 -
[138]
Well, we have the location of thier offices in London EC1, couldn't we hire m0o & Evolution to wtfpwn thier asses
Noo sig comming SOONÖ
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What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care! |
Bunny Wunny
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Posted - 2004.11.07 15:53:00 -
[139]
give us their names and I'll get a crew togeather to go burn down their houses, then kill their familys, all their familys friends, anyone who lent them monies then like that *poof* we'll dissapear
you'll prolly never hear about us again after that
just call me, Keyser S÷ze
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Bunny Wunny
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Posted - 2004.11.07 15:53:00 -
[140]
give us their names and I'll get a crew togeather to go burn down their houses, then kill their familys, all their familys friends, anyone who lent them monies then like that *poof* we'll dissapear
you'll prolly never hear about us again after that
just call me, Keyser S÷ze
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Reiki
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Posted - 2004.11.07 16:23:00 -
[141]
I wonder what sad individual or money grabbing real life corporation would want to do this to our beloved EVE? Makes my blood boil. I've given EVE copies of my music for FREE to play on Air. Get real you sad losers. Come see me for enlightenment tips. How to enjoy life without f**king people over. Oooooooh my temper is now at critical mass................let me at em'
Namaste to all of you at EVE radio
A curse I lay upon those who try to silence the voice of EVE.
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Reiki aka The Boy Flood
Listen to my music @ AcidPlanet.com |
Reiki
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Posted - 2004.11.07 16:23:00 -
[142]
I wonder what sad individual or money grabbing real life corporation would want to do this to our beloved EVE? Makes my blood boil. I've given EVE copies of my music for FREE to play on Air. Get real you sad losers. Come see me for enlightenment tips. How to enjoy life without f**king people over. Oooooooh my temper is now at critical mass................let me at em'
Namaste to all of you at EVE radio
A curse I lay upon those who try to silence the voice of EVE.
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Reiki aka The Boy Flood
Listen to my music @ AcidPlanet.com |
Atandros
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Posted - 2004.11.07 20:45:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Atandros on 07/11/2004 20:58:42
All you people who curse the evil exploiting capitalist money-grabbing pig-dogs should keep in mind that the rights to a creation rest exclusively with the creator. It's either that or a world of institutionalized looting where ability and creativity are liabilities, not assets.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2004.11.07 20:45:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Atandros on 07/11/2004 20:58:42
All you people who curse the evil exploiting capitalist money-grabbing pig-dogs should keep in mind that the rights to a creation rest exclusively with the creator. It's either that or a world of institutionalized looting where ability and creativity are liabilities, not assets.
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Wraith Warrior
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Posted - 2004.11.07 21:39:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Atandros
Edited by: Atandros on 07/11/2004 20:58:42
All you people who curse the evil exploiting capitalist money-grabbing pig-dogs should keep in mind that the rights to a creation rest exclusively with the creator. It's either that or a world of institutionalized looting where ability and creativity are liabilities, not assets.
Spot on, right there. I love EVE Radio, but I have to say, that without artists getting paid royalties, they'd be too busy flipping burgers to concentrate on art. Hence, there might not be any decent music anywhere.
Lets not forget that we pay a monthly fee to CCP for almost exactly this same type of enjoyment. It can be considered a royalty or a subscription, but either way its a recurring payment just like a royalty is. Without those royalties, there'd be no Shiva expansion coming.
As someone who has received royalties for published songs, I have to side with other artists like me. When my songs are downloaded off the internet, I see no money from it.
And... just so it's clear. Record companies rarely get "royalties", the artist, writer and publisher get the royalties. Just happens that many record companies are also music publishers, but it's not like record sales. When a record sells, an artist gets maybe 1% of the net revenue. When a song PLAYS on the air, the artist gets somewhere between 33-50% of the royalties.
Thus, if you hate record companies, then royalties are GOOD because they pay the artists, not the record companies.
In any case, I'm afraid to say that in its present form EVE Radio is probably not going to exist as we know it. They'll have to drop the music content or they will get shut down. THe cheapest way to do this is a subscription from a licensing firm like ASCAP or BMI. The one at my last job cost $3000 US per month for a subscription. It allows you to play any song any time. But, that's a lot of money right there. For a non-profit like ER it's out of reach.
Aside from that, reincarnating EVE Radio in a country which thumbs its nose to authority is the only other option. Not sure the costs on that. But... I will say that I fundamentally oppose finding ways around paying royalties.
The only other suggestion I would give is to find another established webcasting radio station and see if you can piggyback off of their licensing subscription. If you found someone who was already broadcasting legally and would let you become a division of their company or something, you could possibly use what they've already paid for. Not sure where to even look, but it could be an alternative.
Good luck you guys. And don't disregard what they are saying because if you play hardball you might wind up oweing royalties from songs you've played since Day 1 and it could get REALLY expensive. Either get a lawyer or do what the letters are saying. You don't want to F* up your credit.
GKS Is Recruiting |
Wraith Warrior
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Posted - 2004.11.07 21:39:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Atandros
Edited by: Atandros on 07/11/2004 20:58:42
All you people who curse the evil exploiting capitalist money-grabbing pig-dogs should keep in mind that the rights to a creation rest exclusively with the creator. It's either that or a world of institutionalized looting where ability and creativity are liabilities, not assets.
Spot on, right there. I love EVE Radio, but I have to say, that without artists getting paid royalties, they'd be too busy flipping burgers to concentrate on art. Hence, there might not be any decent music anywhere.
Lets not forget that we pay a monthly fee to CCP for almost exactly this same type of enjoyment. It can be considered a royalty or a subscription, but either way its a recurring payment just like a royalty is. Without those royalties, there'd be no Shiva expansion coming.
As someone who has received royalties for published songs, I have to side with other artists like me. When my songs are downloaded off the internet, I see no money from it.
And... just so it's clear. Record companies rarely get "royalties", the artist, writer and publisher get the royalties. Just happens that many record companies are also music publishers, but it's not like record sales. When a record sells, an artist gets maybe 1% of the net revenue. When a song PLAYS on the air, the artist gets somewhere between 33-50% of the royalties.
Thus, if you hate record companies, then royalties are GOOD because they pay the artists, not the record companies.
In any case, I'm afraid to say that in its present form EVE Radio is probably not going to exist as we know it. They'll have to drop the music content or they will get shut down. THe cheapest way to do this is a subscription from a licensing firm like ASCAP or BMI. The one at my last job cost $3000 US per month for a subscription. It allows you to play any song any time. But, that's a lot of money right there. For a non-profit like ER it's out of reach.
Aside from that, reincarnating EVE Radio in a country which thumbs its nose to authority is the only other option. Not sure the costs on that. But... I will say that I fundamentally oppose finding ways around paying royalties.
The only other suggestion I would give is to find another established webcasting radio station and see if you can piggyback off of their licensing subscription. If you found someone who was already broadcasting legally and would let you become a division of their company or something, you could possibly use what they've already paid for. Not sure where to even look, but it could be an alternative.
Good luck you guys. And don't disregard what they are saying because if you play hardball you might wind up oweing royalties from songs you've played since Day 1 and it could get REALLY expensive. Either get a lawyer or do what the letters are saying. You don't want to F* up your credit.
GKS Is Recruiting |
Khryztal Kizzes
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Posted - 2004.11.08 01:35:00 -
[147]
Being that only select listeners are present during broadcast, should'nt you be looking at the competition and wonder if they did ya in?
Dunno but it stinks dead fishy, if ya know what I mean.
Some of the artists/songs you play are nevah heard of and should'nt they be glad you played thier song. Thats free publicity for them. |
Khryztal Kizzes
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Posted - 2004.11.08 01:35:00 -
[148]
Being that only select listeners are present during broadcast, should'nt you be looking at the competition and wonder if they did ya in?
Dunno but it stinks dead fishy, if ya know what I mean.
Some of the artists/songs you play are nevah heard of and should'nt they be glad you played thier song. Thats free publicity for them. |
DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 03:25:00 -
[149]
Thanks to everyone who is offering advice and links for helpful topics.
We at eve-radio apologise for the lack of information that is handed out at the moment, but im sure you understand that we dont want to annoy anyone by saying something we shouldnt and making the situation worse.
Please dont get too irritated with lawyers etc, i know it all sucks that a small station who plays for the benefit of a small community is getting shafted right royally but this is their business and ours is playing music :) to you lot.
Many possibilities are available to us, and current talks amongst the chiefs here in our plush offices in the reset system are proving quite positive and to turn a negative into a good thing is what we are stabbing at currently.
So this chapter may well be the kick up the proverbial back side we needed to move forward .... so whatever the impending legal result throws at us .... you can be sure that we will change and find a resolve in some way shape or form :)
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 03:25:00 -
[150]
Thanks to everyone who is offering advice and links for helpful topics.
We at eve-radio apologise for the lack of information that is handed out at the moment, but im sure you understand that we dont want to annoy anyone by saying something we shouldnt and making the situation worse.
Please dont get too irritated with lawyers etc, i know it all sucks that a small station who plays for the benefit of a small community is getting shafted right royally but this is their business and ours is playing music :) to you lot.
Many possibilities are available to us, and current talks amongst the chiefs here in our plush offices in the reset system are proving quite positive and to turn a negative into a good thing is what we are stabbing at currently.
So this chapter may well be the kick up the proverbial back side we needed to move forward .... so whatever the impending legal result throws at us .... you can be sure that we will change and find a resolve in some way shape or form :)
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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Grismar
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Posted - 2004.11.08 10:00:00 -
[151]
What kind of amounts is EVE Radio looking at though? Iirc, the yearly fee for webcasting is something like $500, with an added cost per performance of something like $0.0007. (a perfermance is a (part of) a piece of music transferred to a single listener.
Now, I'm not sure how many people actually listen to EVE-Radio at a time, but I expect it to be 250 listeners at the very best, right? So, with an average of 20 songs in an hour, broadcasting 24 hours (assuming no talk, which is worst case), that would amount to 480 songs per day, times 250 listeners, times 365, times $0.0007 = $30660/year, or $2555/month.
Now, since the average will be a lot lower (more like 50 listeners I expect) and there actually is quite a bit of talk on EVE-radio, you can probably tune it down to $1000/month, still a lot of cash though... If that's the kind of expenses EVE radio is really looking at, I don't see it surviving. :(
Greetings,
Grismar.
Rats - Corp/Implants - Agents |
Grismar
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Posted - 2004.11.08 10:00:00 -
[152]
What kind of amounts is EVE Radio looking at though? Iirc, the yearly fee for webcasting is something like $500, with an added cost per performance of something like $0.0007. (a perfermance is a (part of) a piece of music transferred to a single listener.
Now, I'm not sure how many people actually listen to EVE-Radio at a time, but I expect it to be 250 listeners at the very best, right? So, with an average of 20 songs in an hour, broadcasting 24 hours (assuming no talk, which is worst case), that would amount to 480 songs per day, times 250 listeners, times 365, times $0.0007 = $30660/year, or $2555/month.
Now, since the average will be a lot lower (more like 50 listeners I expect) and there actually is quite a bit of talk on EVE-radio, you can probably tune it down to $1000/month, still a lot of cash though... If that's the kind of expenses EVE radio is really looking at, I don't see it surviving. :(
Greetings,
Grismar.
Rats - Corp/Implants - Agents |
DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 10:52:00 -
[153]
Hehe
We have done the maths and .... its scary O.o
but fyi listeners rarely drop below 100 ever and in the evening (uk time) rarely drop below 200-220 moving up to 300-350 as the evening progresses sometimes especially sundays ....
see .... scary numbers :(
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 10:52:00 -
[154]
Hehe
We have done the maths and .... its scary O.o
but fyi listeners rarely drop below 100 ever and in the evening (uk time) rarely drop below 200-220 moving up to 300-350 as the evening progresses sometimes especially sundays ....
see .... scary numbers :(
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.11.08 11:10:00 -
[155]
ASk ccp to increase the subscription fee's and take the difference from the new prices and the ones were paying now
"Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play"
Oveur
"First in, last out"
Bridgeburner Motto |
Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2004.11.08 11:10:00 -
[156]
ASk ccp to increase the subscription fee's and take the difference from the new prices and the ones were paying now
"Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play"
Oveur
"First in, last out"
Bridgeburner Motto |
Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.11.08 12:14:00 -
[157]
just give us the names of the layer's if any live down my end of the world i'll go bat some heads for free the law suite would be dropped within a day.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Reloaded INC
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Posted - 2004.11.08 12:14:00 -
[158]
just give us the names of the layer's if any live down my end of the world i'll go bat some heads for free the law suite would be dropped within a day.
I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.08 12:48:00 -
[159]
It's sad that someone complained, which is the only way i can really think of that they got wind of eve radio...
It is pretty sad when a non-profit, non-commercial operation like eve radio gets threatened with legal action like that...
It's not like there are 4-5 million people downloading music illegally or anything.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.11.08 12:48:00 -
[160]
It's sad that someone complained, which is the only way i can really think of that they got wind of eve radio...
It is pretty sad when a non-profit, non-commercial operation like eve radio gets threatened with legal action like that...
It's not like there are 4-5 million people downloading music illegally or anything.
www.hadean.org
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 13:29:00 -
[161]
Our review in PCGAMER prolly didn't help either ...
Makes us fairly noticeable in a mag of that size
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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DJDoby
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Posted - 2004.11.08 13:29:00 -
[162]
Our review in PCGAMER prolly didn't help either ...
Makes us fairly noticeable in a mag of that size
Senior Producer
ingame chat: eve-radio
IRC: irc.coldfront.net #eve-radio
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.11.08 13:45:00 -
[163]
Why not make the lawyers a sacrificial offering? How about DJ Blades beaten to death with a wet kipper at their offices? Wouldn't pay their bills, but it'd sure make ME laugh.
Seriously, good luck. I have nothing against Eve Radio and hope you come through this. Any ritual beatings of Blades that you can pull off in the meantime will just be a bonus I guess.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.11.08 13:45:00 -
[164]
Why not make the lawyers a sacrificial offering? How about DJ Blades beaten to death with a wet kipper at their offices? Wouldn't pay their bills, but it'd sure make ME laugh.
Seriously, good luck. I have nothing against Eve Radio and hope you come through this. Any ritual beatings of Blades that you can pull off in the meantime will just be a bonus I guess.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.08 17:02:00 -
[165]
If EVE Radio goes under, does this mean that the FanFest interviews won't make it to the air? Hmmmmmm.............
On a *much* more serious note, I really hope an equitable and inexpensive resolution can be found. You lot of loons have done loads in support of EVE and would be sorely missed.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.08 17:02:00 -
[166]
If EVE Radio goes under, does this mean that the FanFest interviews won't make it to the air? Hmmmmmm.............
On a *much* more serious note, I really hope an equitable and inexpensive resolution can be found. You lot of loons have done loads in support of EVE and would be sorely missed.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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DJ Daddy
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Posted - 2004.11.08 19:10:00 -
[167]
Originally by: kieron
If EVE Radio goes under, does this mean that the FanFest interviews won't make it to the air? Hmmmmmm.............
On a *much* more serious note, I really hope an equitable and inexpensive resolution can be found. You lot of loons have done loads in support of EVE and would be sorely missed.
Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY* will be able to stop the airing of those interviews. I am still in the process of editing out the stuff that will cost half of you guys your jobs, and it's looking on course to be ready for airing.
Bear in mind, of course, that Eve-Radio do not pride themselves on any sort of professionalism, and as such, these interviews will prove that. If anyone out there is expecting 'hot topics' and suchlike to be answered, then don't hold your breath. You have to bear in mind that the interviwers (and a lot of the interviewees) were at one stage of inebriation or another during these interviews.
*unless they forward me a Federation Megathron and a billion ISK**
**each
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DJ Daddy - father of the airwaves... |
DJ Daddy
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Posted - 2004.11.08 19:10:00 -
[168]
Originally by: kieron
If EVE Radio goes under, does this mean that the FanFest interviews won't make it to the air? Hmmmmmm.............
On a *much* more serious note, I really hope an equitable and inexpensive resolution can be found. You lot of loons have done loads in support of EVE and would be sorely missed.
Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY* will be able to stop the airing of those interviews. I am still in the process of editing out the stuff that will cost half of you guys your jobs, and it's looking on course to be ready for airing.
Bear in mind, of course, that Eve-Radio do not pride themselves on any sort of professionalism, and as such, these interviews will prove that. If anyone out there is expecting 'hot topics' and suchlike to be answered, then don't hold your breath. You have to bear in mind that the interviwers (and a lot of the interviewees) were at one stage of inebriation or another during these interviews.
*unless they forward me a Federation Megathron and a billion ISK**
**each
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DJ Daddy - father of the airwaves... |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.08 19:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: DJ Daddy
unless they forward me a Federation Megathron and a billion ISK**
**each
Extortionist! How about an Ibis, 10 trit and 10k ISK??? Please?
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.08 19:14:00 -
[170]
Originally by: DJ Daddy
unless they forward me a Federation Megathron and a billion ISK**
**each
Extortionist! How about an Ibis, 10 trit and 10k ISK??? Please?
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.08 23:54:00 -
[171]
All wheeling, dealing and ripping off* of EVE Radio by the EVE Online Community Manager is to be done via the EVE Radio Community Manager. kthx.
* I am in no way suggesting that kieron would be as horrible as to rip any of us off, I am sure that "Trit" was a typo and he really meant to say "Mega".
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.08 23:54:00 -
[172]
All wheeling, dealing and ripping off* of EVE Radio by the EVE Online Community Manager is to be done via the EVE Radio Community Manager. kthx.
* I am in no way suggesting that kieron would be as horrible as to rip any of us off, I am sure that "Trit" was a typo and he really meant to say "Mega".
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.09 00:24:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Rinny Wee
* I am in no way suggesting that kieron would be as horrible as to rip any of us off, I am sure that "Trit" was a typo and he really meant to say "Mega".
*Is glad that Rinny didn't suggest the typo was "ISK" instead of "Trit".*
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.09 00:24:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Rinny Wee
* I am in no way suggesting that kieron would be as horrible as to rip any of us off, I am sure that "Trit" was a typo and he really meant to say "Mega".
*Is glad that Rinny didn't suggest the typo was "ISK" instead of "Trit".*
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Mariah Lawsara
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Posted - 2004.11.09 07:49:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Mariah Lawsara on 09/11/2004 07:51:32
Originally by: DJDoby
Our review in PCGAMER prolly didn't help either ...
Makes us fairly noticeable in a mag of that size
hmm, maybe you could sue PC GAMER if eve-radio is killed off...
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Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. - Henry David Thoreau |
Mariah Lawsara
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Posted - 2004.11.09 07:49:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Mariah Lawsara on 09/11/2004 07:51:32
Originally by: DJDoby
Our review in PCGAMER prolly didn't help either ...
Makes us fairly noticeable in a mag of that size
hmm, maybe you could sue PC GAMER if eve-radio is killed off...
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Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. - Henry David Thoreau |
Reptar
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Posted - 2004.11.09 17:17:00 -
[177]
PPL and PRS liscence for a commercial station is around ú35 a day + %4-%7 of income generated. This is for the stations you can hear in your car not online ones.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2004.11.09 17:17:00 -
[178]
PPL and PRS liscence for a commercial station is around ú35 a day + %4-%7 of income generated. This is for the stations you can hear in your car not online ones.
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 20:47:00 -
[179]
i have a feeling this could be about something on DJ Trace Macho's show lately... :\
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Etoile Chercheur
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Posted - 2004.11.09 20:47:00 -
[180]
i have a feeling this could be about something on DJ Trace Macho's show lately... :\
Midshipman Etoile Chercheur - Logistics Division (M&T) | Hadean Drive Yards
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Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:57:00 -
[181]
I think EVE EVE Radio should pay the royalties that are due the artist's music you're playing. It's pretty simple and it's the law. If you can't afford this then sell some advertising time, that's what real radio stations do.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade here but that's how I feel being a musician.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 06:57:00 -
[182]
I think EVE EVE Radio should pay the royalties that are due the artist's music you're playing. It's pretty simple and it's the law. If you can't afford this then sell some advertising time, that's what real radio stations do.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade here but that's how I feel being a musician.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:10:00 -
[183]
hehe just read about what brazil is doing might want to look at them. Brazil is saying screw the world and allowing file sharing, open code and such. I am a musician too but when i was doing it full time i wasn't making much and was living in either my van or on good weeks a hotel. The fact that these musicians make as much as they do is a joke. wish i had mansions and 4 cars.
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
Katjia
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Posted - 2004.11.10 08:10:00 -
[184]
hehe just read about what brazil is doing might want to look at them. Brazil is saying screw the world and allowing file sharing, open code and such. I am a musician too but when i was doing it full time i wasn't making much and was living in either my van or on good weeks a hotel. The fact that these musicians make as much as they do is a joke. wish i had mansions and 4 cars.
ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them. |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:04:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Claire Scott
I think EVE EVE Radio should pay the royalties that are due the artist's music you're playing. It's pretty simple and it's the law. If you can't afford this then sell some advertising time, that's what real radio stations do.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade here but that's how I feel being a musician.
-E
Oh get a life! I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free! The world is full of overpaid, talentless musicians anyway and the thought of a non profit organisation such as eve radio fills me heart with glee.
Lighten up alittle eh
Veren
Ps. no offence intended
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:04:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Claire Scott
I think EVE EVE Radio should pay the royalties that are due the artist's music you're playing. It's pretty simple and it's the law. If you can't afford this then sell some advertising time, that's what real radio stations do.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade here but that's how I feel being a musician.
-E
Oh get a life! I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free! The world is full of overpaid, talentless musicians anyway and the thought of a non profit organisation such as eve radio fills me heart with glee.
Lighten up alittle eh
Veren
Ps. no offence intended
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:27:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician. You don't understand that there are two types of musicians, there are those like you that play in a basement and never learn more than three chords, and there are those that make it their bread and butter. To those that make a living off it, they expect to get paid whenever thier song is played, whether it's on a a well established nation-wide radio station or something small like EVE-radio. That's their music and they deserve to get paid for it.
That's why they wrote the song in the first place, to make money. And by law, they deserve that money. The ice cream man doesn't hand out free ice cream cones, Burger King doesn't hand out free burgers, CCP doesn't hand out free accounts. Why should a musician hand out free music?
You can argue this point until you're blue in the face but the fact will always remain that you're wrong. It's nothing less than robbery, plain and simple. The oucome of this will be either EVE Radio shuts down (and I do listen on occasion so I don't really want this to happen) or they start doing it correctly.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:27:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician. You don't understand that there are two types of musicians, there are those like you that play in a basement and never learn more than three chords, and there are those that make it their bread and butter. To those that make a living off it, they expect to get paid whenever thier song is played, whether it's on a a well established nation-wide radio station or something small like EVE-radio. That's their music and they deserve to get paid for it.
That's why they wrote the song in the first place, to make money. And by law, they deserve that money. The ice cream man doesn't hand out free ice cream cones, Burger King doesn't hand out free burgers, CCP doesn't hand out free accounts. Why should a musician hand out free music?
You can argue this point until you're blue in the face but the fact will always remain that you're wrong. It's nothing less than robbery, plain and simple. The oucome of this will be either EVE Radio shuts down (and I do listen on occasion so I don't really want this to happen) or they start doing it correctly.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Sulyana Baiur
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:35:00 -
[189]
This is the debate raging in the courthouses of america, "space wolf".
As far as I can see, I still download Mp3's, and I still buy CD's, and I still listen to Eve-Radio.
If you're having a problem hosting it in England, host it in Canada, just show me how lads and I'll do whatever it takes.
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Sulyana Baiur
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Posted - 2004.11.10 13:35:00 -
[190]
This is the debate raging in the courthouses of america, "space wolf".
As far as I can see, I still download Mp3's, and I still buy CD's, and I still listen to Eve-Radio.
If you're having a problem hosting it in England, host it in Canada, just show me how lads and I'll do whatever it takes.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:04:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
Ahhhahahahaha!
Yea, you be a good slave to the RIAA now. I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
The RIAA way supports a few BIG musicians. Very, very eliteist and very, very manufactured wit the same old crap music. Pass.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:04:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
Ahhhahahahaha!
Yea, you be a good slave to the RIAA now. I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
The RIAA way supports a few BIG musicians. Very, very eliteist and very, very manufactured wit the same old crap music. Pass.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:13:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 14:27:21
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
Almost every small band does that until they break through. It's called business. But once they finally break through you can bet they won't be handing that music out for free anymore. Metallica anyone? Amd that's just ONE example. How about the free taste tests they hand out in the supermarket to get you to try thier new brownies. Does that give you the right to go there the following day and just take a box because you thought they were good?
Want another? Okay. Shareware. Doom was shareware once. Then it became famous and everyone had to pay for Doom II, but there were still pirates copying the software. Then Doom III came out and it had a CD key to play online. Software creators just like musicians are always looking for ways to protect thier intellectual property. Just because you CAN get away with it, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Are you guys arguing this point because you honestly believe you should be able to enjoy someone else's hard work without paying them for it? If you really, really feel this way, I want one of you to come shovel my driveway this winter . . . for free.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:13:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 14:27:21
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
Almost every small band does that until they break through. It's called business. But once they finally break through you can bet they won't be handing that music out for free anymore. Metallica anyone? Amd that's just ONE example. How about the free taste tests they hand out in the supermarket to get you to try thier new brownies. Does that give you the right to go there the following day and just take a box because you thought they were good?
Want another? Okay. Shareware. Doom was shareware once. Then it became famous and everyone had to pay for Doom II, but there were still pirates copying the software. Then Doom III came out and it had a CD key to play online. Software creators just like musicians are always looking for ways to protect thier intellectual property. Just because you CAN get away with it, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Are you guys arguing this point because you honestly believe you should be able to enjoy someone else's hard work without paying them for it? If you really, really feel this way, I want one of you to come shovel my driveway this winter . . . for free.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:46:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Rinny Wee on 10/11/2004 14:50:18
Whoa, time to beat down the flames and hate I think. o_O
I'd like to say (and attempt to bring this back onto the topic of EVE Radio being contacted by lawyers and our future being uncertain) that we do not support, promote, etc illegal activities. That's kinda why we're investigating these proceedings and doing all we can to bring ourselves into line.
If you're a musician, then good for you. I hope you're not playing crap and that you're doing it because it's something you love, not just because you want to earn money. I'd like, however, for this thread to not degenerate into a "OMG TEH RIAA SUXXORS" vs "NO THEY DONT" argument. It's just like those BoB and FA threads over in the Corp forums ... fun to start with but then it becomes a big ol' yawn.
So, to sum up:
We at EVE Radio are doing all we can to investigate this issue fully and to ensure we continue broadcasting legally;
We at EVE Radio are also investigating ways to promote our station to bring in listeners and support, but most of that will come from YOU GUYS promoting us within your corps and amongst your friends;
We at EVE Radio appreciate all the support we have received so far (replies to threads as well as PayPal donations), if you're feeling generous then visit our website and send us some cash;
We at EVE Radio do not wish to stand on anyone's toes, legally, musically, whatever. Please do not make assumptions about our politics and position on Internet broadcasting, file sharing, blahblah, when you don't know the facts. It's a) kinda dumb and b) pretty rude;
We at EVE Radio want you all to tune into tonight to DJ Daddy's show between 1900 and 2200 GMT as he'll be broadcasting the FanFest interviews. Go check out the thread here in Gen Disc for more info;
We at EVE Radio send you all virtual huggles, pets, lovings and whatever else tickles your fancy. Over 18? Contact Doby for more. ;)
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:46:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Rinny Wee on 10/11/2004 14:50:18
Whoa, time to beat down the flames and hate I think. o_O
I'd like to say (and attempt to bring this back onto the topic of EVE Radio being contacted by lawyers and our future being uncertain) that we do not support, promote, etc illegal activities. That's kinda why we're investigating these proceedings and doing all we can to bring ourselves into line.
If you're a musician, then good for you. I hope you're not playing crap and that you're doing it because it's something you love, not just because you want to earn money. I'd like, however, for this thread to not degenerate into a "OMG TEH RIAA SUXXORS" vs "NO THEY DONT" argument. It's just like those BoB and FA threads over in the Corp forums ... fun to start with but then it becomes a big ol' yawn.
So, to sum up:
We at EVE Radio are doing all we can to investigate this issue fully and to ensure we continue broadcasting legally;
We at EVE Radio are also investigating ways to promote our station to bring in listeners and support, but most of that will come from YOU GUYS promoting us within your corps and amongst your friends;
We at EVE Radio appreciate all the support we have received so far (replies to threads as well as PayPal donations), if you're feeling generous then visit our website and send us some cash;
We at EVE Radio do not wish to stand on anyone's toes, legally, musically, whatever. Please do not make assumptions about our politics and position on Internet broadcasting, file sharing, blahblah, when you don't know the facts. It's a) kinda dumb and b) pretty rude;
We at EVE Radio want you all to tune into tonight to DJ Daddy's show between 1900 and 2200 GMT as he'll be broadcasting the FanFest interviews. Go check out the thread here in Gen Disc for more info;
We at EVE Radio send you all virtual huggles, pets, lovings and whatever else tickles your fancy. Over 18? Contact Doby for more. ;)
____
♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:55:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 14:27:21
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
Almost every small band does that until they break through.
Break through? Your idea of success is, again, tied to the propaganda of the record lables.
The band in question which hired me makes more than the "small hits" who sign onto RIAA lables. They also set their own hours, decide where to play gigs, can take holidays, etc.
Only a FEW MEGA banda actually benefit from the RIAA. The bands I know have, in their terms, "made" it, becuase they make a good living off being muscians. And they WANT their songs out there. For free. It's good advertising, and it sells CD's.
For a related field, go look up Baen. Ask them how much "damage" digital delivery is doing to them. (Snippets, Free Library. Webscriptions...)
(For reference I'm not arguing anything about the ethics, I'm arguing that your argument is a non-starter on economic grounds)
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:55:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 14:27:21
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Claire Scott
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 13:53:09
Originally by: Veren Sark
I'm a musician too and have no problems with eve radio playing music for free!
With an attitude like that, you will never be a successful musician.
I know quite a few successful small bands who encourage the distribution of their music in MP3 format (heck, I've been paid to help spread their music online by one band) because it increases the number of people who do things which are actually PROFITABLE for them - come to their gigs and buy their CD's.
Almost every small band does that until they break through.
Break through? Your idea of success is, again, tied to the propaganda of the record lables.
The band in question which hired me makes more than the "small hits" who sign onto RIAA lables. They also set their own hours, decide where to play gigs, can take holidays, etc.
Only a FEW MEGA banda actually benefit from the RIAA. The bands I know have, in their terms, "made" it, becuase they make a good living off being muscians. And they WANT their songs out there. For free. It's good advertising, and it sells CD's.
For a related field, go look up Baen. Ask them how much "damage" digital delivery is doing to them. (Snippets, Free Library. Webscriptions...)
(For reference I'm not arguing anything about the ethics, I'm arguing that your argument is a non-starter on economic grounds)
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:58:00 -
[199]
No flames coming from this end. Just facts.
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to). Seriously though, everyone wants to believe this kind of stuff should be free and it's easy to think that because music isn't tangible.
:)
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:58:00 -
[200]
No flames coming from this end. Just facts.
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to). Seriously though, everyone wants to believe this kind of stuff should be free and it's easy to think that because music isn't tangible.
:)
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:59:00 -
[201]
ok i can see you're alittle hurt by my previous post and with that in mind you've taken it personally and tried to be nasty in your response by insinuating that 1.i play in a basement and 2 that i only know 3 chords. For your very meagre records you are wrong on both counts. It's true that iam no longer a roaring success in the charts but i have had my moments over the years and i laugh in your face at your accusation!
Eve radio (as i have already pointed out) is a non-profit organisation and therefore if one of my records was getting played on ER i would be very happy for them to go ahead without any cash coming my way for that very reason. They exist purely to give entertainment to the players of Eve and are not in it to make money for themselves (unlike some i could mention).
Basically you are obviously struggling to make ends meet as a musician and may have to consider retreating to said basement and pursuing another career.
V
PS Offence intended!
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 14:59:00 -
[202]
ok i can see you're alittle hurt by my previous post and with that in mind you've taken it personally and tried to be nasty in your response by insinuating that 1.i play in a basement and 2 that i only know 3 chords. For your very meagre records you are wrong on both counts. It's true that iam no longer a roaring success in the charts but i have had my moments over the years and i laugh in your face at your accusation!
Eve radio (as i have already pointed out) is a non-profit organisation and therefore if one of my records was getting played on ER i would be very happy for them to go ahead without any cash coming my way for that very reason. They exist purely to give entertainment to the players of Eve and are not in it to make money for themselves (unlike some i could mention).
Basically you are obviously struggling to make ends meet as a musician and may have to consider retreating to said basement and pursuing another career.
V
PS Offence intended!
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:02:00 -
[203]
Quote:
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to).
Erm, sounds like you're implying that EVE Radio would only fall into line and do things legally through force. I can assure you that this is not the case and that a comment such as this is not appreciated.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:02:00 -
[204]
Quote:
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to).
Erm, sounds like you're implying that EVE Radio would only fall into line and do things legally through force. I can assure you that this is not the case and that a comment such as this is not appreciated.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:08:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 15:14:50
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Quote:
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to).
Erm, sounds like you're implying that EVE Radio would only fall into line and do things legally through force. I can assure you that this is not the case and that a comment such as this is not appreciated.
That's not what I was implying at all. The parenthesis means that if, for some reason, you didn't do it on your own free will, you would be force to. I didn't think I needed to explain it out. I will explain exactly what I mean next time so you don't get confused.
You seem to think I'm you're enemy here?
If I was your enemy I would say something at this point like, "If that's not the case like you say then why was EVE Radio contacted by lawyers? Why didn't they just do it right the first time?" But I'm not saying that.
:) <--- See the smily and know that I'm just messing with you now.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:08:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 15:14:50
Originally by: Rinny Wee
Quote:
I have faith that EVE Radio is going to do the right thing (because they'll be forced to).
Erm, sounds like you're implying that EVE Radio would only fall into line and do things legally through force. I can assure you that this is not the case and that a comment such as this is not appreciated.
That's not what I was implying at all. The parenthesis means that if, for some reason, you didn't do it on your own free will, you would be force to. I didn't think I needed to explain it out. I will explain exactly what I mean next time so you don't get confused.
You seem to think I'm you're enemy here?
If I was your enemy I would say something at this point like, "If that's not the case like you say then why was EVE Radio contacted by lawyers? Why didn't they just do it right the first time?" But I'm not saying that.
:) <--- See the smily and know that I'm just messing with you now.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:10:00 -
[207]
Any enemy of eve radio is an enemy of mine.
See you in space!
Veren
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:10:00 -
[208]
Any enemy of eve radio is an enemy of mine.
See you in space!
Veren
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:11:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:16:03
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:15:20
*laughs*
I'd be the last to argue the "music is intangible" thing, for several reasons.
I'm arguing that the RIAA et al is not pushing a good business model and to say they are is both actively partipating in the death of origional music and supporting the abysmal way the music lables treat bands who sign with them (except a few MEGA bands)
Originally by: Rinny Wee
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:11:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:16:03
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:15:20
*laughs*
I'd be the last to argue the "music is intangible" thing, for several reasons.
I'm arguing that the RIAA et al is not pushing a good business model and to say they are is both actively partipating in the death of origional music and supporting the abysmal way the music lables treat bands who sign with them (except a few MEGA bands)
Originally by: Rinny Wee
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:11:00 -
[211]
Not at all, and I obviously misunderstood your meaning. God bless the Internet and it's lack of tone, eh?
As I said in my earlier post, we are investigating all of this very closely and are determined to do all we can to ensure we broadcast legally. Sure it's a bit of a set back, but we really want to continue bringing you guys music and chatter and Mr Blades and Doby's latex, so we're going to do all we can to make it happen.
It's a tense time for us at ER, because we just want this to all go through easily so we can get back to doing what we do best...
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Rinny Wee
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:11:00 -
[212]
Not at all, and I obviously misunderstood your meaning. God bless the Internet and it's lack of tone, eh?
As I said in my earlier post, we are investigating all of this very closely and are determined to do all we can to ensure we broadcast legally. Sure it's a bit of a set back, but we really want to continue bringing you guys music and chatter and Mr Blades and Doby's latex, so we're going to do all we can to make it happen.
It's a tense time for us at ER, because we just want this to all go through easily so we can get back to doing what we do best...
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
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♥ Wrangler & Valar fight over me! ♥ |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:16:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 15:21:12
Originally by: Veren Sark
Basically you are obviously struggling to make ends meet as a musician and may have to consider retreating to said basement and pursuing another career.
I'm actually retired but I never claimed to be a professional musician.
Quote:
PS Offence intended!
No offence taken.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:16:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Claire Scott on 10/11/2004 15:21:12
Originally by: Veren Sark
Basically you are obviously struggling to make ends meet as a musician and may have to consider retreating to said basement and pursuing another career.
I'm actually retired but I never claimed to be a professional musician.
Quote:
PS Offence intended!
No offence taken.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:24:00 -
[215]
I'm actually retired but I never claimed to be a professional musician.
Quote:
PS Offence intended!
No offence taken.
-E
so if you're retired then what's your beef with eve radio playing music! I'm sure in your day free music went hand in hand with free love
Veren
PS. 'Give peace a chance'
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Veren Sark
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:24:00 -
[216]
I'm actually retired but I never claimed to be a professional musician.
Quote:
PS Offence intended!
No offence taken.
-E
so if you're retired then what's your beef with eve radio playing music! I'm sure in your day free music went hand in hand with free love
Veren
PS. 'Give peace a chance'
Always fight on a full stomach! |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:36:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Veren Sark
so if you're retired then what's your beef with eve radio playing music! I'm sure in your day free music went hand in hand with free love
Sigh. I'm not against EVE Radio here (and I retired young, I'm not as old as you think). There were just a lot of people talking about how they thought EVE radio was being shafted. While it is sad that the lawyers had to get involved and turn this into one big ugly mess, I do have to agree with them. Seems like some of you were jumping down my throat just for 'stating the law'.
I wish music was free just like the rest of you, I have a hard drive full of it so I'm not an angel. But once the lawyers get involved, we just got to step back and say to ourselves that they're right and we're wrong. If you read back at my posts you'll see that's all I was trying to say in the first place.
I wish the best for EVE Radio, I really do. Sounds like they are looking at this seriously and working through thier options. Hopefully it works out in the end for the best.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Claire Scott
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Posted - 2004.11.10 15:36:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Veren Sark
so if you're retired then what's your beef with eve radio playing music! I'm sure in your day free music went hand in hand with free love
Sigh. I'm not against EVE Radio here (and I retired young, I'm not as old as you think). There were just a lot of people talking about how they thought EVE radio was being shafted. While it is sad that the lawyers had to get involved and turn this into one big ugly mess, I do have to agree with them. Seems like some of you were jumping down my throat just for 'stating the law'.
I wish music was free just like the rest of you, I have a hard drive full of it so I'm not an angel. But once the lawyers get involved, we just got to step back and say to ourselves that they're right and we're wrong. If you read back at my posts you'll see that's all I was trying to say in the first place.
I wish the best for EVE Radio, I really do. Sounds like they are looking at this seriously and working through thier options. Hopefully it works out in the end for the best.
-E
If you're not running with the pack, you're prey . . . |
Wraith Warrior
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:02:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:16:03
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:15:20
*laughs*
I'd be the last to argue the "music is intangible" thing, for several reasons.
I'm arguing that the RIAA et al is not pushing a good business model and to say they are is both actively partipating in the death of origional music and supporting the abysmal way the music lables treat bands who sign with them (except a few MEGA bands)
Originally by: Rinny Wee
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
GKS Is Recruiting |
Wraith Warrior
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Posted - 2004.11.10 16:02:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:16:03
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/11/2004 15:15:20
*laughs*
I'd be the last to argue the "music is intangible" thing, for several reasons.
I'm arguing that the RIAA et al is not pushing a good business model and to say they are is both actively partipating in the death of origional music and supporting the abysmal way the music lables treat bands who sign with them (except a few MEGA bands)
Originally by: Rinny Wee
... erm, I *am* talking about broadcasting guys. We're not that bad.
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
GKS Is Recruiting |
Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.10 21:54:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Wraith Warrior
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
well. at least that danger isnt a real one.. after all, you subscribe to eve, and without a valid registration and a credid card paying your bill, (or another means of payment) you simply wont be able to play
----
Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Manfred Doomhammer
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Posted - 2004.11.10 21:54:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Wraith Warrior
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
well. at least that danger isnt a real one.. after all, you subscribe to eve, and without a valid registration and a credid card paying your bill, (or another means of payment) you simply wont be able to play
----
Manfred Doomhammer
Fleet Admiral
CEO ShadowTec Inc.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:32:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Valentine Keen on 10/11/2004 23:37:00
Originally by: Veren Sark
Eve radio (as i have already pointed out) is a non-profit organisation and therefore if one of my records was getting played on ER i would be very happy for them to go ahead without any cash coming my way for that very reason. They exist purely to give entertainment to the players of Eve and are not in it to make money for themselves (unlike some i could mention).
I have no particular grudge against EVE-Radio, I think it is a service to the EVE community, but I do think the law should be upheld, if that is the case here. Laws don't exist because people like them, but because people need them. People need to be protected, such as for musicians to get paid for their work. If you as an artist were to waive that, fine, but others should also be able to choose.
Laws can't and shouldn't be held in contempt just because the people breaking them are popular or doing it as a service, let alone 'not-for-profit'. The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit. Should the thousands or millions of hours of music and other media they broadcast not be paid for? Should there be one rule for some and another for others? No.
That is what disappoints me in this thread - by all means support EVE-Radio, but the contempt people show for the law is both shocking and misplaced.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:32:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Valentine Keen on 10/11/2004 23:37:00
Originally by: Veren Sark
Eve radio (as i have already pointed out) is a non-profit organisation and therefore if one of my records was getting played on ER i would be very happy for them to go ahead without any cash coming my way for that very reason. They exist purely to give entertainment to the players of Eve and are not in it to make money for themselves (unlike some i could mention).
I have no particular grudge against EVE-Radio, I think it is a service to the EVE community, but I do think the law should be upheld, if that is the case here. Laws don't exist because people like them, but because people need them. People need to be protected, such as for musicians to get paid for their work. If you as an artist were to waive that, fine, but others should also be able to choose.
Laws can't and shouldn't be held in contempt just because the people breaking them are popular or doing it as a service, let alone 'not-for-profit'. The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit. Should the thousands or millions of hours of music and other media they broadcast not be paid for? Should there be one rule for some and another for others? No.
That is what disappoints me in this thread - by all means support EVE-Radio, but the contempt people show for the law is both shocking and misplaced.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:36:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
Originally by: Wraith Warrior
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
well. at least that danger isnt a real one.. after all, you subscribe to eve, and without a valid registration and a credid card paying your bill, (or another means of payment) you simply wont be able to play
But if someone could copy EVE and run their own server because CCP's intellectual property wasn't protected, would the game still get made? That is the question, not whether or not accounts could be hacked for free.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.10 23:36:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Manfred Doomhammer
Originally by: Wraith Warrior
Regardless of your opinion on the business model used by record labels, the simple fact remains that broadcasting music requires payment for intellectual property. Until such time as laws repealing the rights to intellectual property are enacted, you have to abide by those laws. And God help us all if that day ever comes. If it does, there won't be Eve Radio because there won't be an EVE to begin with.
I'm not going to get into the whole record label vs. original music argument; mostly because I side with you. I have had my works published and been in th charts and received my royalties. I still believe, after having tried to "breakthrough" by making my OWN label, that record companies are a scam and are in survival mode. REGARDLESS, copyright laws exist for a reason and you MUST obey them just as you MUST obey high security CONCORD laws or you WILL pay the price.
They are laws. You have no choice regardless of your opinion. You must follow them until they no longer exist.
well. at least that danger isnt a real one.. after all, you subscribe to eve, and without a valid registration and a credid card paying your bill, (or another means of payment) you simply wont be able to play
But if someone could copy EVE and run their own server because CCP's intellectual property wasn't protected, would the game still get made? That is the question, not whether or not accounts could be hacked for free.
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Vailin Snow
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:04:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Claire Scott
... once the lawyers get involved, we just got to step back and say to ourselves that they're right and we're wrong. If you read back at my posts you'll see that's all I was trying to say in the first place.
Law is a funny thing. It's not really about right or wrong, its about legal and ilegal (not thesame thing).
At the best of time the 2 ideals come close to eachother. In most cases the "Right" choise oftain comes down to who can win over the court to their point of view.
Hypetheticaly speaking, if Eve-Radio Vs RIAA case goes ahead, Eve-Radio could convince the court that what they are doing should be legal and that will set a legal president making a new law.
Needles to say, they would have to be very persuasive  .
So the attitude of "Stand back and admit that the law is always right" is, ironicaly, wrong...
Remeber...
Legal is not moral.
And moral is sometimes not legal...
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Vailin Snow
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:04:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Claire Scott
... once the lawyers get involved, we just got to step back and say to ourselves that they're right and we're wrong. If you read back at my posts you'll see that's all I was trying to say in the first place.
Law is a funny thing. It's not really about right or wrong, its about legal and ilegal (not thesame thing).
At the best of time the 2 ideals come close to eachother. In most cases the "Right" choise oftain comes down to who can win over the court to their point of view.
Hypetheticaly speaking, if Eve-Radio Vs RIAA case goes ahead, Eve-Radio could convince the court that what they are doing should be legal and that will set a legal president making a new law.
Needles to say, they would have to be very persuasive .
So the attitude of "Stand back and admit that the law is always right" is, ironicaly, wrong...
Remeber...
Legal is not moral.
And moral is sometimes not legal...
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:46:00 -
[229]
Get CCP to give you some free bandwidth and then tell the British Laywers to sod off from happy Iceland ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:46:00 -
[230]
Get CCP to give you some free bandwidth and then tell the British Laywers to sod off from happy Iceland ..
Mongo speaks !!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:54:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Valentine Keen
The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit.
They may not be run for profit, but they are certainly paid to provide the service. My TV license money (not that I *ever* watch TV) goes to pay for them. They have a budget running easily into multiple millions GBP. What they can afford to pay a DJ for one weeks worth of shows would probably pay eve-radio's costs for 5 years.
It's an entirely different situation.
.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:54:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Valentine Keen
The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit.
They may not be run for profit, but they are certainly paid to provide the service. My TV license money (not that I *ever* watch TV) goes to pay for them. They have a budget running easily into multiple millions GBP. What they can afford to pay a DJ for one weeks worth of shows would probably pay eve-radio's costs for 5 years.
It's an entirely different situation.
.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:17:00 -
[233]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Valentine Keen
The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit.
They may not be run for profit, but they are certainly paid to provide the service. My TV license money (not that I *ever* watch TV) goes to pay for them. They have a budget running easily into multiple millions GBP. What they can afford to pay a DJ for one weeks worth of shows would probably pay eve-radio's costs for 5 years.
It's an entirely different situation.
It's not a great example, no, but it serves it's purpose. All broadcasters are bound by certain rules.
Whether EVE-Radio have complied with them I don't know and is the answer I'm sure we're all waiting to find out. I simply wanted to point out "not-for-profit" in itself is not sufficient grounds for breaking the rules.
There may well be exemptions for clubs, societies, charities and the like. I don't know, nor do I know if EVE-Radio would qualify or be deemed commercial. Either way, they have to follow the rules as they stand. Saying "oh well we don't make any money" on its own isn't enough.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:17:00 -
[234]
Originally by: drunkenmaster
Originally by: Valentine Keen
The BBC is probably the largest broadcaster on the globe, yet it is not run for profit.
They may not be run for profit, but they are certainly paid to provide the service. My TV license money (not that I *ever* watch TV) goes to pay for them. They have a budget running easily into multiple millions GBP. What they can afford to pay a DJ for one weeks worth of shows would probably pay eve-radio's costs for 5 years.
It's an entirely different situation.
It's not a great example, no, but it serves it's purpose. All broadcasters are bound by certain rules.
Whether EVE-Radio have complied with them I don't know and is the answer I'm sure we're all waiting to find out. I simply wanted to point out "not-for-profit" in itself is not sufficient grounds for breaking the rules.
There may well be exemptions for clubs, societies, charities and the like. I don't know, nor do I know if EVE-Radio would qualify or be deemed commercial. Either way, they have to follow the rules as they stand. Saying "oh well we don't make any money" on its own isn't enough.
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:27:00 -
[235]
Let's keep this on topic, EVE Radio and the actions that have been taken against them. Let's not take this any further into the merit (or lack thereof) of the RIAA, whether garage bands are doing the right thing with internet distribution, etc.
EVE Radio has been a huge supporter of EVE, the player base and CCP, even when they catch us in embarrassing circumstances. Anyone that listened to the FanFest interviews last night knows what I'm talking about. I hope the situation works out well for everyone involved.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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kieron
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:27:00 -
[236]
Let's keep this on topic, EVE Radio and the actions that have been taken against them. Let's not take this any further into the merit (or lack thereof) of the RIAA, whether garage bands are doing the right thing with internet distribution, etc.
EVE Radio has been a huge supporter of EVE, the player base and CCP, even when they catch us in embarrassing circumstances. Anyone that listened to the FanFest interviews last night knows what I'm talking about. I hope the situation works out well for everyone involved.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:32:00 -
[237]
*chuckles at Kieron's sig*
These evolution-like sigs are spreading like a virus . . . congrats to whoever came up with the idea.
And of course, best of luck to EVE-radio.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2004.11.11 15:32:00 -
[238]
*chuckles at Kieron's sig*
These evolution-like sigs are spreading like a virus . . . congrats to whoever came up with the idea.
And of course, best of luck to EVE-radio.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Bastaard
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:22:00 -
[239]
Edited by: Bastaard on 11/11/2004 23:26:11
I really don't hope that eve-radio will be gone...The best of luck to them
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Bastaard
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:22:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Bastaard on 11/11/2004 23:26:11
I really don't hope that eve-radio will be gone...The best of luck to them
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Bastaard
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:23:00 -
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I really hope not that eve-radio will be gone...
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Bastaard
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Posted - 2004.11.11 23:23:00 -
[242]
I really hope not that eve-radio will be gone...
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Mr Fuggles
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:29:00 -
[243]
I sent them a dirty e-mail... really dirty. said they were going to hell fire and brimstone all that mess. That doesn't help I know, but it felt good. I didn't tell them why I didn't like em. I just said "you guys are *explicitive*" no explaination. Didn's say "eve-radio" just told them they were the devil. You should do it too it makes you feel a little better. It's like hitting random stuff. Thought it was funny anyway. |
Mr Fuggles
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Posted - 2004.11.12 18:29:00 -
[244]
I sent them a dirty e-mail... really dirty. said they were going to hell fire and brimstone all that mess. That doesn't help I know, but it felt good. I didn't tell them why I didn't like em. I just said "you guys are *explicitive*" no explaination. Didn's say "eve-radio" just told them they were the devil. You should do it too it makes you feel a little better. It's like hitting random stuff. Thought it was funny anyway. |
Feurer Shake
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Posted - 2004.11.14 02:27:00 -
[245]
If you find out if a player ratted you out I would be happy to pod them over and over for you |
Feurer Shake
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Posted - 2004.11.14 02:27:00 -
[246]
If you find out if a player ratted you out I would be happy to pod them over and over for you |
kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:26:00 -
[247]
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 20:31:08
one option is that the eve community stops buying cd's from whoever Giant Sec Can is representing
see it this way... looking at the 'demographics' of eve we represent the largest buying power, and probably those that are allready speding most money on media anyhow (Ill bet most of you have cable, buy x amount of cd's and dvd's every month) so in essence they are just *p1ssing* off their core customer base... LOL stupid 'farks'...
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.14 20:26:00 -
[248]
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 20:31:08
one option is that the eve community stops buying cd's from whoever Giant Sec Can is representing
see it this way... looking at the 'demographics' of eve we represent the largest buying power, and probably those that are allready speding most money on media anyhow (Ill bet most of you have cable, buy x amount of cd's and dvd's every month) so in essence they are just *p1ssing* off their core customer base... LOL stupid 'farks'...
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:57:00 -
[249]
Originally by: kurg
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 20:31:08
one option is that the eve community stops buying cd's from whoever Giant Sec Can is representing
see it this way... looking at the 'demographics' of eve we represent the largest buying power, and probably those that are allready speding most money on media anyhow (Ill bet most of you have cable, buy x amount of cd's and dvd's every month) so in essence they are just *p1ssing* off their core customer base... LOL stupid 'farks'...
MMORPG players = lazy people who don't go outside and have broadband connection.
You really think we are "the largest buying power"?
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Supermonkey
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Posted - 2004.11.14 22:57:00 -
[250]
Originally by: kurg
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 20:31:08
one option is that the eve community stops buying cd's from whoever Giant Sec Can is representing
see it this way... looking at the 'demographics' of eve we represent the largest buying power, and probably those that are allready speding most money on media anyhow (Ill bet most of you have cable, buy x amount of cd's and dvd's every month) so in essence they are just *p1ssing* off their core customer base... LOL stupid 'farks'...
MMORPG players = lazy people who don't go outside and have broadband connection.
You really think we are "the largest buying power"?
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:07:00 -
[251]
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 23:10:28
the eve community has at several occasions been identified as being 20-30 year olds... this implies.. work.. probably family etc.. so Id say theres life outside eve...
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.11.14 23:07:00 -
[252]
Edited by: kurg on 14/11/2004 23:10:28
the eve community has at several occasions been identified as being 20-30 year olds... this implies.. work.. probably family etc.. so Id say theres life outside eve...
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.11.15 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 15/11/2004 13:46:35
On the other hand you can't just play copyrighted music without paying anything and expect not to run into any trouble. Pay your license fees or stop playing copyrighted content, then you don't provide any grounds for these lawyers to sue you.
I'm saying this out of a lack of knowledge about your situation so if you actually do pay license fees forget what I said.
I hope the best for you guys, but remember that there are artists out there loosing millions of dollars to people who don't pay for copyrighted content. Whether that happens through piracy or not paying your license fees does't play a role. Also it doesn't play a role how many people are listening and where they do it.
Mai's Idealog |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2004.11.15 13:43:00 -
[254]
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 15/11/2004 13:46:35
On the other hand you can't just play copyrighted music without paying anything and expect not to run into any trouble. Pay your license fees or stop playing copyrighted content, then you don't provide any grounds for these lawyers to sue you.
I'm saying this out of a lack of knowledge about your situation so if you actually do pay license fees forget what I said.
I hope the best for you guys, but remember that there are artists out there loosing millions of dollars to people who don't pay for copyrighted content. Whether that happens through piracy or not paying your license fees does't play a role. Also it doesn't play a role how many people are listening and where they do it.
Mai's Idealog |
0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.15 18:46:00 -
[255]
Edited by: 0seeker0 on 15/11/2004 19:29:03
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.15 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: 0seeker0 on 15/11/2004 19:29:03
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2004.11.16 01:34:00 -
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I must say im not suprised this has happend
Big Multi Million Doller Company: Oh look theres somthing over there people are enjoying.
BIg Multi Million Doller Company: Oh look its giving people enjoyment for free, i know, LETS SUE THEM!
lol, anyway, i really hope you guys get past this "problem" and contiune your excellent service to the members of eve, i dont often listen to eve raido becuase im on 56k and spend most the time buffering lol, but i still think its great what you do, and hope you can continue to do it, legaly.
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2004.11.16 01:34:00 -
[258]
I must say im not suprised this has happend
Big Multi Million Doller Company: Oh look theres somthing over there people are enjoying.
BIg Multi Million Doller Company: Oh look its giving people enjoyment for free, i know, LETS SUE THEM!
lol, anyway, i really hope you guys get past this "problem" and contiune your excellent service to the members of eve, i dont often listen to eve raido becuase im on 56k and spend most the time buffering lol, but i still think its great what you do, and hope you can continue to do it, legaly.
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Arkaine
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Posted - 2004.11.16 08:20:00 -
[259]
I'm not a lawyer, but these are my thoughts.
You dont make money. You dont even put "cd" quality music out there because of the low bitstream. Ask other shout cast stations what they do. Just Be reasonable with GSC at first. If they want to pursue it, fine- but make it ******* hell for them. Hide behind laws, switch servers, move the server to antartica if you need to. In short- make them pay for going after such a small fish in the grand scheme of things :)
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Arkaine
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Posted - 2004.11.16 08:20:00 -
[260]
I'm not a lawyer, but these are my thoughts.
You dont make money. You dont even put "cd" quality music out there because of the low bitstream. Ask other shout cast stations what they do. Just Be reasonable with GSC at first. If they want to pursue it, fine- but make it ******* hell for them. Hide behind laws, switch servers, move the server to antartica if you need to. In short- make them pay for going after such a small fish in the grand scheme of things :)
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Torem
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Posted - 2004.11.16 09:52:00 -
[261]
All I can say is that I can buy a dvd movie for less than an audio cd. The artists certainly deserve to get paid for what they do, but the value just isn't there. Kinda funny how history turns out...the music industry tried outlawing the Player Piano because it threatened the music industry...they tried to outlaw radio because they again were threatened. It's just another phase that will pass one day, but until the music industry lowers the prices on cd's like they promised at one point in time, I'll never buy another cd.
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Torem
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Posted - 2004.11.16 09:52:00 -
[262]
All I can say is that I can buy a dvd movie for less than an audio cd. The artists certainly deserve to get paid for what they do, but the value just isn't there. Kinda funny how history turns out...the music industry tried outlawing the Player Piano because it threatened the music industry...they tried to outlaw radio because they again were threatened. It's just another phase that will pass one day, but until the music industry lowers the prices on cd's like they promised at one point in time, I'll never buy another cd.
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Toastin
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Posted - 2004.11.16 10:18:00 -
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I've never listened to Eve radio... But if your based in the United Kingdom there maybe a way round this. If you draw up some kind of members list, were you would have to login and connect to the eve radio service, then technically you wouldn't be breaking any copywright laws, because technically you wouldn't be broadcasting to general public. Then you would probably have a better case in my opinion. I.e. You could class Eve radio no different from playing music at a private party or any other private social event for that matter, with only one difference being that it's done all online, and I see no law against that atm . This maybe an alternative you may want to look into.
Oh and... Good Luck Lads!
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Toastin
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Posted - 2004.11.16 10:18:00 -
[264]
I've never listened to Eve radio... But if your based in the United Kingdom there maybe a way round this. If you draw up some kind of members list, were you would have to login and connect to the eve radio service, then technically you wouldn't be breaking any copywright laws, because technically you wouldn't be broadcasting to general public. Then you would probably have a better case in my opinion. I.e. You could class Eve radio no different from playing music at a private party or any other private social event for that matter, with only one difference being that it's done all online, and I see no law against that atm . This maybe an alternative you may want to look into.
Oh and... Good Luck Lads!
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.16 11:46:00 -
[265]
Whoa, toastin that rocks! ginny, that sounds ace.
Its like how butchers here can still sell in pounds and ounces, by calling themselves private clubs and charging 1p (which goes to charity) on first entry.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.11.16 11:46:00 -
[266]
Whoa, toastin that rocks! ginny, that sounds ace.
Its like how butchers here can still sell in pounds and ounces, by calling themselves private clubs and charging 1p (which goes to charity) on first entry.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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Paulson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 05:39:00 -
[267]
Anyone from the Eve Radio DJ crowed thought of writing into PC Gamer about this? You are popular there and they may run an artical.
Just an Idea
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Paulson
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Posted - 2004.11.28 05:39:00 -
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Anyone from the Eve Radio DJ crowed thought of writing into PC Gamer about this? You are popular there and they may run an artical.
Just an Idea
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