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Euripedies
nul-li-fy
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:47:00 -
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My lip curls in disgust when I see the Panther in my hanger. I want to take it outside the station and make it into a garden tool.
sure it gets that 25% damage bonus, and the same for rate of fire, but for the love of the almighty space gods, WHY does it not get the covert ops cloak!
I spit on the panther, Im going to rat with it in the belts, I shall outfit it with meta 1 modules and undersized guns, and use the wrong ammo. This is all your fault CCP. Fix it. I did not train for years so I could fly a Battleship with training wheels. I may just go home and discard it on the edge of space somewhere and let it slowly decompose. training wheels and all. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Inglorious Waffles
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:57:00 -
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It's useless because it doesn't have a covops cloak?
Nevermind the fact that it can jump itself and a small fleet into a system nearly invisibly, and move as fast as a battlecruiser while cloaked...
Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Euripedies
nul-li-fy
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:03:00 -
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yes, it does have a few fancy gewgaws to divert my attention, but not being able to warp cloaked is a gimp. if you have a cyno to jump to then great, go for it, if you dont, and you have to go thru a gate, then that whole warping cloaked thing takes on new meaning.
The panther is cool, NOT as cool as I wanted it to be and CCP should get their act together and fix a ship that rightly should be a covert ops cloaker. Its the "last word in covert ops" as they say. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:10:00 -
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Is that only non covops ship that can warp immediately after dropping cloak, assuming no MWD. Run off to a safespot, and just WAIT until you get a cyno out. Problem solved. |
Aaron Greil
None Of You Can Compare
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:29:00 -
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There is fundamental design errors in all blackops. OP, I'm in the same boat. I have a well-fit redeemer in my hanger that is little more than a pretty ornament.
Redeemer can't do anything in combat an Armageddon can't do twice as well, I'm sure its the same with the other black ops.
My biggest problem has never had anything to do with escaping danger, its been blowing my cover when I need to warp. Honestly blackops need some way to conceal themselves while warping. Currently the only way to do this in the game is covops cloak, though it wouldn't be that hard if CCP wanted to get creative. While I think that they still need a combat boost, like real hitpoints and powergrid, they would at least be usable for individuals or small corps if they fixed the whole detectable-while-in-warp business.
Also, they need a bridge and jump fuel consumption buff.
The most angering thing about this is that CCP refuses to give us an answer to whether they are even considering looking at blackops again. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Damu'Khonde
1253
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:01:00 -
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I suddenly want to train Panther. Damn you, whine threads. Damn you.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Crellion
Parental Control
25
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:16:00 -
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Aaron Greil wrote:There is fundamental design errors in all blackops. OP, I'm in the same boat. I have a well-fit redeemer in my hanger that is little more than a pretty ornament.
Redeemer can't do anything in combat an Armageddon can't do twice as well, I'm sure its the same with the other black ops.
My biggest problem has never had anything to do with escaping danger, its been blowing my cover when I need to warp. Honestly blackops need some way to conceal themselves while warping. Currently the only way to do this in the game is covops cloak, though it wouldn't be that hard if CCP wanted to get creative. While I think that they still need a combat boost, like real hitpoints and powergrid, they would at least be usable for individuals or small corps if they fixed the whole detectable-while-in-warp business.
Also, they need a bridge and jump fuel consumption buff.
The most angering thing about this is that CCP refuses to give us an answer to whether they are even considering looking at blackops again.
Nice post.
CCP has given an indirect indication by painting them red in the phail chart at funfest methinks.
However the part in bold in the quoted text also gave me a brainfart: What if the made it so that a BO is invisible on D-scan while in warp? Take a moment to digest and then discuss.
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Jennam Musana
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:38:00 -
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As I have met Euripedies many times through my scanner I fully endorse his rake filled lippery lope. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:27:00 -
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I spit on your Panther too.
All the cool kids are doing it!
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:07:00 -
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Black ops are terrible, we know, move on. |
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Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:19:00 -
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Yes - BO - stands for ...
remember, in order of moderately crap to utter crap ...
- Widow - because of Widow as they occasionally say
- Redeemer - because it can hit at range and has cargo space!
- Panther - because it isn't a Sin
- Sin - LOL
Black ops - typically - a bunch of very low damage, thin skinned ships jump in with a hauler as backup! Go figure. And you want to do this with a 1b lump of turd?
Just reprocess it and sell the goodies. It will be less annoying. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:22:00 -
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Isn't Black Ops that ship class that can make an invisible jump portal or something?
So OP wants to strip this role and have a battleship sized ship that has a T2 cruiser tank and covert ops cloak. Well, that seems pretty fair. In fact that makes perfect sense. So much sense it should be on Sisi right now. Which dev is working on it? I want my Cov Ops Marauder right now. I want something I can use to be safe in lowsec, to kill rats and stuff. In fact why there isn't a Cov Ops Capital Ship? It's the obvious next step. They don't have T2 capitals, do they? Let the first T2 capital be a cov ops! Why not? Tier it up!
Or... you should read ship specs before training for it because it looks cool. |
Euripedies
nul-li-fy
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:06:00 -
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I dont care what you nay sayers say, my panther is weak and pitiful and good for nothing.
If it could warp cloaked I would take it all back, but it dont. Fail CCP fail....
I may just take it into hi-sec and steal from a miners can in a 1.0 system, then let them kill it with their fail-fit rifters and other h-sec ships and fits. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:33:00 -
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You are weak and pitiful and good for nothing.
Stop asking for changes because you ****** up.
It's not the games fault you wasted time training for a ship that doens't do what you expected. The specs are there for everyone to see, now why someone queues more than a month of training before reading it I have no idea.
I think the problem is people play EvE thinking a bigger and more skill demanding ship is a 'leveled up' ship.
My advice, advertise "Black Ops pilot" sell your toon, skill up for Tengu. Problem solved. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:35:00 -
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Euripedies wrote:My lip curls in disgust when I see the Panther in my hanger. I want to take it outside the station and make it into a garden tool. sure it gets that 25% damage bonus, and the same for rate of fire, but for the love of the almighty space gods, WHY does it not get the covert ops cloak! I spit on the panther, Im going to rat with it in the belts, I shall outfit it with meta 1 modules and undersized guns, and use the wrong ammo. This is all your fault CCP. Fix it. I did not train for years so I could fly a Battleship with training wheels. I may just go home and discard it on the edge of space somewhere and let it slowly decompose. training wheels and all.
You made me smile IRL, thx 
brb |
Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:25:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Isn't Black Ops that ship class that can make an invisible jump portal or something?
So OP wants to strip this role and have a battleship sized ship that has a T2 cruiser resists and covert ops cloak. Well, that seems pretty fair. ....
Invisible - what the hell are you on about. Cyno alt in local is cloaky! God no - I cant tell! 10 people appear in local suddenly ... god no - I dont see them.
Local is the biggest issue with black ops! You stick out like a beacon! |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.14 15:49:00 -
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A good cynoer could drop them close enough so you dont have time to warp? I really dont know, I don't do Black Ops myself.
Still, being able to light a covert cyno seems like a hell lot of strategic advantage.
Anyway my point was that Black Ops is not a ship for solo play, wich seems what OP wants it to be. |
Aaron Greil
None Of You Can Compare
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Posted - 2012.06.14 16:18:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:A good cynoer could drop them close enough so you dont have time to warp? I really dont know, I don't do Black Ops myself.
Still, being able to light a covert cyno seems like a hell lot of strategic advantage.
Anyway my point was that Black Ops is not a ship for solo play, wich seems what OP wants it to be.
The whole concept of "a ship not being for solo play" is an incredibly greedy concept. Lets make two players train down separate tracks just to use the basic functionality of the ship. I can understand for capitals, since anyone can train cyno 1, but cyno 5 is a ridiculous price. Also the concept that a ship can be used solely for pvp is just as ridiculous. A ship might have a well defined role, but it is up to the player to decide how to use it. HACs are a perfect example. They see frequent use in both pvp and pve. So what is wrong with blackops being used for exploration?
The problem with them is that they don't have the tools to do their intended purpose. CCP was worried about them being too powerful, but so what? we have plenty more OP ships, and at least these have a training queue a mile long.
They seriously need to be reworked. Either like a full combat cloaky (which CCP seems to be terrified to do) or with proper EWAR like force recons. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:25:00 -
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fail post |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:26:00 -
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double fail |
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:32:00 -
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TL, DR
It requires Jump Drive 5 because it's all about it.
Support ships are not greedy, they are meant for co-op play.
Cov Ops Cloaking Device in a battleship sized hull is weird, overpowered and just plain dumb. Even strategic cruisers (aka T3) with cov ops cloak have drawbacks to DPS or tank.
You can use Black Ops for PVE, you just can't do it solo. It's working as intended... as a Covert Jump Portal generator.
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Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
66
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:44:00 -
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If you don't want it, i'd be willing to take it off your hands. Simply make the contract private (To me) for 0 ISK, and Ill ensure that it gets reprocessed into something more worthy of your piloting.
Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
Euripedies
nul-li-fy
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:44:00 -
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I regret to say that even my fail post is less fail then my non cloaked warping fail panther. And yes I did want to use it for solo stuff, what Im not sure, but there it is. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:48:00 -
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So - why didn't you check the ship out in EFT even once during all those months you trained for it?
You know... morons. |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:03:00 -
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It is not a solo pwn mobile , it is for hotdroping stuff ... !
and im pretty sure you can still jump to a normal cyno ! |
Shade Millith
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:54:00 -
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A Battleship.
100m/s faster than a hurricane, with the same agility. Hitting overloaded MWD and cloak gives a burst of over 4km/s. Two heavy neuts, 850 DPS, 60k EHP. Using an alt, can be cynoed directly on top of a target to kill.
Sounds like a pretty decent solo boat to me. Good killing power, with a hell of a lot of GTFO ability. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:29:00 -
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Shade Millith wrote:A Battleship.
100m/s faster than a hurricane, with the same agility. Hitting overloaded MWD and cloak gives a burst of over 4km/s. Two heavy neuts, 850 DPS, 60k EHP. Using an alt, can be cynoed directly on top of a target to kill.
Sounds like a pretty decent solo boat to me. Good killing power, with a hell of a lot of GTFO ability.
The problem is thread OP wants it for PVE. Basically he wants Black Ops to be oversized Force Recons with Marauder stats. |
Cutout Man
Viziam
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:35:00 -
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Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Cov Ops Cloaking Device in a battleship sized hull is weird, overpowered and just plain dumb.
Overpowered? Did you know that titans can fit covops cloaks? Please explain to me how a BO with cov ops so that it can warp cloaked is more overpowered than a titan with a covops. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:39:00 -
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Cutout Man wrote:Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera wrote:Cov Ops Cloaking Device in a battleship sized hull is weird, overpowered and just plain dumb. Overpowered? Did you know that titans can fit covops cloaks? Please explain to me how a BO with cov ops so that it can warp cloaked is more overpowered than a titan with a covops.
That one is new to me. Now develop your argument. |
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:51:00 -
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I re-considered my toughts and now believe that to balance Black Ops to the almighty Covert Ops Titans they should be able to warp cloaked too. Also, I will stop playing EvE and try this new WoW thing. |
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