There is fundamental design errors in all blackops. OP, I'm in the same boat. I have a well-fit redeemer in my hanger that is little more than a pretty ornament.

Redeemer can't do anything in combat an Armageddon can't do twice as well, I'm sure its the same with the other black ops.

My biggest problem has never had anything to do with escaping danger, its been blowing my cover when I need to warp. Honestly blackops need some way to conceal themselves while warping. Currently the only way to do this in the game is covops cloak, though it wouldn't be that hard if CCP wanted to get creative. While I think that they still need a combat boost, like real hitpoints and powergrid, they would at least be usable for individuals or small corps if they fixed the whole detectable-while-in-warp business.

Also, they need a bridge and jump fuel consumption buff.

The most angering thing about this is that CCP refuses to give us an answer to whether they are even considering looking at blackops again.

My lip curls in disgust when I see the Panther in my hanger. I want to take it outside the station and make it into a garden tool.

sure it gets that 25% damage bonus, and the same for rate of fire, but for the love of the almighty space gods, WHY does it not get the covert ops cloak!

I spit on the panther, Im going to rat with it in the belts, I shall outfit it with meta 1 modules and undersized guns, and use the wrong ammo. This is all your fault CCP. Fix it. I did not train for years so I could fly a Battleship with training wheels. I may just go home and discard it on the edge of space somewhere and let it slowly decompose. training wheels and all.

Isn't Black Ops that ship class that can make an invisible jump portal or something?
So OP wants to strip this role and have a battleship sized ship that has a T2 cruiser resists and covert ops cloak. Well, that seems pretty fair. ....

A good cynoer could drop them close enough so you dont have time to warp? I really dont know, I don't do Black Ops myself.
Still, being able to light a covert cyno seems like a hell lot of strategic advantage.
Anyway my point was that Black Ops is not a ship for solo play, wich seems what OP wants it to be.

A Battleship.

100m/s faster than a hurricane, with the same agility. Hitting overloaded MWD and cloak gives a burst of over 4km/s. Two heavy neuts, 850 DPS, 60k EHP. Using an alt, can be cynoed directly on top of a target to kill.

Sounds like a pretty decent solo boat to me. Good killing power, with a hell of a lot of GTFO ability.

Cov Ops Cloaking Device in a battleship sized hull is weird, overpowered and just plain dumb.

Overpowered? Did you know that titans can fit covops cloaks? Please explain to me how a BO with cov ops so that it can warp cloaked is more overpowered than a titan with a covops.

I re-considered my toughts and now believe that to balance Black Ops to the almighty Covert Ops Titans they should be able to warp cloaked too. Also, I will stop playing EvE and try this new WoW thing.

we're all happy to hear you're leaving.

That one is new to me. Now develop your argument.

That's a troll argument. We're discussing ship classes. Even if that was possible it would be an aberration amongst Titan fits. Since it does not have any bonus all the ship CPU would go to the cov ops module. I doubt its possible to fit any tank with that. And it's a game breaker.

Not to mention it's weird. Think of cov ops cloak on anything bigger than a cruiser as trying to camouflage an elephant while it walks down the highway.

It's useless because it doesn't have a covops cloak?

Nevermind the fact that it can jump itself and a small fleet into a system nearly invisibly, and move as fast as a battlecruiser while cloaked...

I am hearing a lot about theoretical speeds with the cloak and a micro. Something about 4 km/s? I call bull. The cycle time on 100mn micros and the inertia of the blackops prevent you from ever getting close to your max speed while cloaked, even if you started at overloaded micro speed. On top of that, you can't cloaked while targeted. In a fight you would never get your cloaked speed bonus. You can't run the cloak and a prop mod, so they don't move anywhere close to battlecruisers.

Sounds more like people eft warrioring who haven't ever flown the things. Also those "two neuts" are for your cloak and jump portal generator.

I'm guessing that these "stats" come from a panther, but on a proper double plated redeemer, or armor sin, you aren't dealing with battlecruiser agility.

Some other things:
Cyno 5 is a 20 day skill train. Thats a long time to ask a corp mate to sacrifice for you if you don't have an alt. An the whole "who plays on that level without an alt" crap is the point of why I say its greedy. You are paying for two accounts if you want to do upper level stuff in eve.

Covert Cynos are restricted to the most paper ship classes in the game. You cannot effectively hotdrop with covert cynos without losing your scout. With regular cynos its not a problem. Tech 1 frigs are easy to replace. Try doing it with covert ops frigs or a force recons.

Uncloaked Panther - 2 Nanofibers, MWD
1,543 m/s, 9 second align. 2,180 m/s Overloaded

Hurricane - 2 Nanofibers, MWD
1,552 m/s, 8.8 second align. 2,205 m/s Overloaded

Harbinger - 2 Nanofibers, MWD
1,346 m/s, 9.3 second align. 1,908 m/s Overloaded

Difference -
Cane is 9 m/s faster, and .2 seconds faster align.
Harb is 197 m/s slower, and .3 seconds slower align



Because you'd use a jump portal generator if you're not intending to portal people. That's the best way to fly a ship.
The ship has 8 high slots. 5 turrets, 1 cloak, 2 neuts.



That's why I'm talking about a Panther, not a Redeemer.
A Sin is actually freaking agile.



Many times I've seen rapiers/falcons being the cyno's for capital hotdrops. Reason being, they're not paper thin. You can get over 63k EHP on a falcon, still having a MWD and point. 57k on a rapier.

Black Ops battleships are designed for infiltration and espionage behind enemy lines. With the use of a short-range jump drive and a portal generator, they are capable of making a special type of jump portal usable only by covert ops vessels. This enables them to stealthily plant reconnaissance and espionage forces in enemy territory. For the final word in clandestine maneuvers, look no further.

WHAAA MY INCREDIBLY VALUABLE SHIP DOESN'T DO EVERYTHING EVER EVEN THOUGH ITS ROLE IS SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT IN THE SHIP DESCRIPTION WHAAAAAAAAAA

And I am sad about your sarcasm recognition skills.

Many times I've seen rapiers/falcons being the cyno's for capital hotdrops. Reason being, they're not paper thin. You can get over 63k EHP on a falcon, still having a MWD and point. 57k on a rapier.

This entire topic amuses me.. many moons ago the black ops sucked worse than they do now before they boosted the cov cloaky ships and gave BO's fuel bays.. that was back before the stealth bombers had cov cloaks.

If you know how to use a black ops, they're very very dangerous. The key is knowing your ship and its abilities.