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Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.11.14 23:28:00 - [61] Edited by: Michael Hoare on 14/11/2009 23:59:31 Oh my goodness. . . when Suddenly Ninja's come out publicly against you, yer screwed. I understand all of your Carrier/Dreadnought/Titan pilots have defected to other corporations/alliances. . . care to comment? I understand DamienEx is having a BAD DAY, as he lost a deadspace fitted HAC recently worth 1.5 billion ISK, Linkage We hope this will not effect future contracts? Speaking of contracts, just how many contracts have you failed? You accepted 350 million ISK to kill my targets, and accomplished nothing. You ask for proof. . .I ask you how many 350 million ISK contracts you have accepted and failed. If you have more than one, I would say you have bigger issues to worry about! If I were you, I would disolve your corporation, sell all the assets, split the money equally among all the people in your corporation while publicly committing Seppuku to atone for your asshat-itude. Until then, take my advice and go back to WoW, before some real mercs wipe the floor with you for giving all mercs a bad name!
Ignus Viator Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 05:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Srialia Edited by: Srialia on 14/11/2009 19:39:38 Originally by: Ignus Viator oh wow you killed half a dozen mission ships? good job there man! thats 6.... we killed over 6 ships the first night. the total came to 54 ships causing over 4 billion isk of damage. How i see it. you hired us to cause damage. Incorrect. He hired you to kill mission runners. You repeatedly charged headlong into their group of 8 pvp pilots station/gate camping us to prevent ninja salvaging. The alliance we were fighting was mostly carebears, and they wanted to "teach us a lesson" because they concorded a couple of their big ships trying to kill one of our salvage frigates one night. Only a few of them were actually interested in pvping. We wanted to dishearten their alliance and break their will to fund the war, boring their pvpers out of their minds while making their pve-ers and miners sad and broke. We wanted to destroy their supply lines, murder their women and children. Paul hired you to help with the guerilla war. You said "OK, thanks for the money, now we line up like the British Redcoats and march to the front line!" Not only did you not do what you were hired to do, you undermined our campaign by making their pvpers' lives more exciting. But the reasons don't even really matter. You were hired to do something specific. If it was too specific, you should not have accepted the contract. You accepted the contract and did not deliver. Own up and make amends or expect a terrible reputation. And yes, 6 mission ships is not a big deal. So again, why do you guys keep harping on how difficult it was to find mission ships to kill? Can't have it both ways. The proper thing to do is to make sure everyone thinking about hiring you knows to expect excuses and poor performance. The proper thing for YOU to do is give Paul a refund, letting the entire community know that if you don't honor your end of the contract, you at least don't expect the other party to honor theirs. the first part of your post is kinda confusing. but i was wrong. my bad. sorry we didn't kill mission running war targets. sorry we tried. move on. please don't tell me whats proper. see my previous posts. Again we tried hunting their mission ships but didn't find them. over how long period of time did it take to kill those 6 ships? a month? no your not getting refunded. end of discussion, now f-off. people will be able to read your previous post. and you guys are just *****ing and whining. get over it.
Ignus Viator Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 05:26:00 - [63] Edited by: Ignus Viator on 15/11/2009 05:27:50 Edited by: Ignus Viator on 15/11/2009 05:26:17 Originally by: Michael Hoare Edited by: Michael Hoare on 14/11/2009 23:59:31 Oh my goodness. . . when Suddenly Ninja's come out publicly against you, yer screwed. I understand all of your Carrier/Dreadnought/Titan pilots have defected to other corporations/alliances. . . care to comment? I understand DamienEx is having a BAD DAY, as he lost a deadspace fitted HAC recently worth 1.5 billion ISK, Linkage We hope this will not effect future contracts? Speaking of contracts, just how many contracts have you failed? You accepted 350 million ISK to kill my targets, and accomplished nothing. You ask for proof. . .I ask you how many 350 million ISK contracts you have accepted and failed. If you have more than one, I would say you have bigger issues to worry about! If I were you, I would disolve your corporation, sell all the assets, split the money equally among all the people in your corporation while publicly committing Seppuku to atone for your asshat-itude. Until then, take my advice and go back to WoW, before some real mercs wipe the floor with you for giving all mercs a bad name! who the hell are you? (retorical) and no i don't care to comment cuz idk who the hell you and your "merc review and bonding commission" are all about. please continue to read the corp ticker every time u guys decide to post AGAIN LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER we failed killing mission runners on your contract. sorry move on. AGAIN LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER we failed killing mission runners on your contract. sorry move on. AGAIN LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER we failed killing mission runners on your contract. sorry move on. AGAIN LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER we failed killing mission runners on your contract. sorry move on. you guys have beaten this to death. and killed it again shot its corpse, ****d it and molested it. i'm beginning to think you guys just like to hear yourselves talk. yea yea yea yea yea yea yea yea yea yea yea? SORRY we didn't kill mission runners on a contract that ended 2 months ago or so. but its time to move on. you've brought up the same points over and over and over and over agian. so you've done your job with our review now F-OFF
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.15 13:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Ignus Viator we didn't kill mission runners on a contract I believe this is the point.... Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.11.15 17:22:00 - [65] Edited by: Michael Hoare on 15/11/2009 17:24:55 You know, this is bit of a giggle. . . watching these big bad wannabe mercs come un-****ing-glued on the forums is pure entertainment. Watching these losers try to spin their blatant failures into some sort of success, only to be slapped down by anyone and everyone is great comedy! Reading their posts as they try to squirm away from blame while trying to talk tough has literally reduced me to howling laughter. I think between me and the other bloke we can keep this sort of fun up indefinately, unless of course F-OFF is willing to admit culpability, offer a sincere apology and tender a refund to Paul. . . If not, we can find it in our hearts to make certain that every potential employer in this game knows what sort of failure they can expect by hiring you!
Ydoc Llezsor Hydro Chronic Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.15 18:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Michael Hoare Edited by: Michael Hoare on 15/11/2009 17:24:55 You know, this is bit of a giggle. . . watching these big bad wannabe mercs come un-**ing-glued on the forums is pure entertainment. Watching these losers try to spin their blatant failures into some sort of success, only to be slapped down by anyone and everyone is great comedy! Reading their posts as they try to squirm away from blame while trying to talk tough has literally reduced me to howling laughter. I think between me and the other bloke we can keep this sort of fun up indefinately, unless of course F-OFF is willing to admit culpability, offer a sincere apology and tender a refund to Paul. . . If not, we can find it in our hearts to make certain that every potential employer in this game knows what sort of failure they can expect by hiring you! If you think they are **ty mercs why not dec them yourselves? Too scared? Also for what its worth, ive flown with f-off in the past and they are great at blowing up internet spaceships. If you need people killed these are the guys to do it.
Ignus Viator Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 18:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Michael Hoare Edited by: Michael Hoare on 15/11/2009 17:24:55 You know, this is bit of a giggle. . . watching these big bad wannabe mercs come un-**ing-glued on the forums is pure entertainment. Watching these losers try to spin their blatant failures into some sort of success, only to be slapped down by anyone and everyone is great comedy! Reading their posts as they try to squirm away from blame while trying to talk tough has literally reduced me to howling laughter. I think between me and the other bloke we can keep this sort of fun up indefinately, unless of course F-OFF is willing to admit culpability, offer a sincere apology and tender a refund to Paul. . . If not, we can find it in our hearts to make certain that every potential employer in this game knows what sort of failure they can expect by hiring you! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1066326&page=1#1 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1214869 Originally by:** Jonny 101 Could we have the facts this is based on, and i'm assuming I should speak to this corp to find out what corp your main is in, as i'm guessing they just ***** slapped him judging by your rubbish thread? See thing is, you're a nobody, pretending to be a somebody, going around judging people who...are someone, if that means they are good someones or rubbish someones...doesn't matter, because they're not hiding their inadequacies behind a very silly alt. Perhaps if you told us who your main was, if you even have one...or admit that this is your only char, so that you actually show us who you are to talk about this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So you're admitting that you started this unbiased review thread so that you could unbiasedly review a mercenary corporation that war decced your mining alt? And, your main would be who by the way, if you're going to accuse someone without any evidence what so ever, the least you could do is tell us who you are. ^^ that sums up my thoughts.
Ignus Viator Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 19:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Ydoc Llezsor If you think they are ****ty mercs why not dec them yourselves? Too scared? Also for what its worth, ive flown with f-off in the past and they are great at blowing up internet spaceships. If you need people killed these are the guys to do it. thanks man, nice to hear :)
Jarik Utoni Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.15 19:07:00 - [69] i find this thread to be less merc contract and more troll the poor merc corp. if you are displeased with their service make one post and leave, if you are happy with their performance do the same. but don't stick arround and troll them all day because your EvE game won't load or your daily forum post count isn't high enough yet. ---- -Jarik Utoni, Stealthbomber Pilot d(^.^)b
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:07:00 - [70] I couldn't be more satisfied with the amount of attention this is getting us :-) It took me a bit to put 2 and 2 together but i finally realized that Michael Hoare actually is a recent employer. He had us target what he called an empire corp. He wanted 10 kills per week, not unreasonable at all. What he failed to mention is that said corp had 90% of its active members living in worm holes. We spent hours probing for worm holes and jumping in and out of them TRYING to find them in the initial operation area that we were given. Turns out they moved. Once the location of where they had moved was obtained, we proceeded to move our scanning characters into the area and began the process all over again. Further research showed that there are 2000+ wormholes in all of eve. Three days into the war dec, no kills, and not even a single sighting of one of the war targets, we gave Milena Marich aka Michael Hoare a full refund of said isk. We didnt even keep the 2 mil from the war dec. His character INSISTED we keep a portion of the isk as gratitude for our time. We didnt keep any of it. There were also no bribes from the target, there wasnt even any communication from them. In light of this contract going the wrong way, we offered to get an out of corp alt to join the target and then proceed to get locations, worm hole entrance and exit points so we could then move a number of our pvp characters into the worm hole to attack the corp. Milena Marich seemed satasfied with that response and we told him we would get back to him as soon as all the peices were in place. I can safely say we will not be contacting our employer in regards to anything. But to make this short and sweet... -Michael Hoare is Milena Marich -We refunded Milena Marich since we couldnt kill targets who were in worm holes that we had no way of getting to -We offered a means of completing the contract in the future, and it was accepted -Some of us learned how to probe things out better Fin.

DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Michael Hoare Edited by: Michael Hoare on 14/11/2009 23:59:31 I understand all of your Carrier/Dreadnought/Titan pilots have defected to other corporations/alliances. . . care to comment? Some people cant live in empire. They like 0.0. So most of them parted with us on a positive note and we still talk and keep in contact. We dont expect people to stay in corp if we aren't going to be fulfilling their play style. Quote:* I understand DamienEx is having a BAD DAY, as he lost a deadspace fitted HAC recently worth 1.5 billion ISK, Linkage We hope this will not effect future contracts? God forbid I take my faction fitted ships and use them for something besides mission running? Why buy something just for it to sit in station and be pretty. Not my play style. If im going to spend 1.5 bil on a ship, im going to fly it around, and im going to lose it in combat eventually. Quote:* Speaking of contracts, just how many contracts have you failed? You accepted 350 million ISK to kill my targets, and accomplished nothing. You ask for proof. . .I ask you how many 350 million ISK contracts you have accepted and failed. If you have more than one, I would say you have bigger issues to worry about! -Pauls: Refunded for the portion we 'failed' -Yours: Refunded entirely. Ive got wallet transactions that I would be more than happy to share with the rest of the eve community to show that we in fact refunded you Quote:* *If I were you, I would disolve your corporation, sell all the assets, split the money equally among all the people in your corporation while publicly committing Seppuku to atone for your asshat-itude. Until then, take my advice and go back to WoW, before some real mercs wipe the floor with you for giving all mercs a bad name! We have been through worse measures than this. Non of us play WoW. An we know we are ass-hats... i mean.... our corp ticker is F-OFF after all. What dont you people get about this already ?
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:25:00 - [72] Originally by: DamienEx -Michael Hoare is Milena Marich -We refunded Milena Marich since we couldnt kill targets who were in worm holes that we had no way of getting to -We offered a means of completing the contract in the future, and it was accepted -Some of us learned how to probe things out better Fin. Oops. . . I am so busted. Better do something about that Clownshoes, like war-decc a former employer! Seriously, never heard of Milena Marich and I hope that this thread does not reflect poorly on her or her corporation/alliance.
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:29:00 - [73] No one else has hired us for 350mil, except you, and i know this because i recently upped the price for our contracts.
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Michael Hoare Originally by: DamienEx -Michael Hoare is Milena Marich -We refunded Milena Marich since we couldnt kill targets who were in worm holes that we had no way of getting to -We offered a means of completing the contract in the future, and it was accepted -Some of us learned how to probe things out better Fin. Oops. . . I am so busted. Better do something about that Clownshoes, like war-decc a former employer! Seriously, never heard of Milena Marich and I hope that this thread does not reflect poorly on her or her corporation/alliance. i for one can't wait until your main gets introduced to the own zone
w1ldt4ngent SWARTA	Posted - 2009.11.15 22:57:00 - [75] Only experience I've had with F-OFF is when one of their members ninja-salvaged my nearly cleaned up mission site (you couldn't have made off with much more than 2-3mil ISK... money must be tight at F-OFF with all these refunds going around), but I can say from the general attitude from it's members in here that a lot of you could definitely use a lesson in knowing when to STFU. By continuing to address the accusations of your detractors, true or not, you're only making yourselves look worse, therefore, said detractors are accomplishing their goals. I'd recommend you institute a corp-wide policy, taking effect immediately, to not address disgruntled customers, unless you're the CEO or some other duly-authorized corp officer. All of you getting on here trying to dog-pile the unhappy customers is only making you look like a bunch of, well, dogs. -random carebear nobody ___________________________ Swartans! Prepare for glory!
Ignus Viator Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.16 01:23:00 - [76] Originally by: w1ldt4ngent Only experience I've had with F-OFF is when one of their members ninja-salvaged my nearly cleaned up mission site (you couldn't have made off with much more than 2-3mil ISK... money must be tight at F-OFF with all these refunds going around), but I can say from the general attitude from it's members in here that a lot of you could definitely use a lesson in knowing when to STFU. By continuing to address the accusations of your detractors, true or not, you're only making yourselves look worse, therefore, said detractors are accomplishing their goals. I'd recommend you institute a corp-wide policy, taking effect immediately, to not address disgruntled customers, unless you're the CEO or some other duly-authorized corp officer. All of you getting on here trying to dog-pile the unhappy customers is only making you look like a bunch of, well, dogs. -random carebear nobody lol... i think i know who you are and i think that might've been me! there where only 3-4 wartargets online and they where docked in current system, i got bored so i scanned some random person down in mission hub system and found them mining. i just took some loot :P anyway yea your right we shouldn't be addressing them anymore. and i will not be anymore, i'm pretty over saying the same things over and over again. i'm out of the thread now late.
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.16 02:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Jarik Utoni i find this thread to be less merc contract and more troll the poor merc corp. if you are displeased with their service make one post and leave, if you are happy with their performance do the same. but don't stick arround and troll them all day because your EvE game won't load or your daily forum post count isn't high enough yet. Because if you bought a car from a dodgy second hand dealer and they gave you a cardboard cutout instead you'd only bother to tell one person and then let them keep ripping people off right? Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:06:00 - [78] The Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission rates this mercenary group: Federation of Freedom Fighters Rating: 20/100 Poor -bump-
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.16 21:17:00 - [79] Laa dee da. I love all the attention were getting. It makes me smile on the inside.
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.11.17 01:01:00 - [80] Originally by: DamienEx -We refunded Milena Marich since we couldnt kill targets who were in worm holes that we had no way of getting to So let me ask: When you guys do fail contracts, which seems to happen with some regularity, what is the criteria for refunds? It seems to me that if you refunded Milena for something you promised, failed to do, but what nearly impossible, then I should get a refund for the contract terms you promised, failed to do, but we were doing on a regular basis. So again, why do only some of your failed contracts get refunds? ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears

Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.17 01:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Michael Hoare The Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission rates this mercenary group: Federation of Freedom Fighters Rating: 20/100 Poor -bump- The Skool has rated the Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission and found it is one sided and bias in almost all of its reviews and has given it a score of 1/10:Very Bad.
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Paul Clavet Blah x3 pt3 Because we dont like you :-)
Michael Hoare	Posted - 2009.11.18 02:17:00 - [83] The Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission rates this mercenary group: Federation of Freedom Fighters Rating: 20/100 Poor -bump-
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.18 12:57:00 - [84] Edited by: Lightningshade on 18/11/2009 13:00:50 Originally by: Michael Hoare The Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission rates this mercenary group: Federation of Freedom Fighters Rating: 20/100 Poor -bump- Terrible attempt at a gimmick, your a joke. Originally by: DamienEx Originally by: Paul Clavet Blah x3 pt3 Because we dont like you :-) You don't honor refunds because you don't like someone?
Lana's Alt Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.11.18 13:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: DamienEx Originally by: Paul Clavet Blah x3 pt3 Because we dont like you :-) You don't honor refunds because you don't like someone? You know whats funny? Even I dont use that excuse..
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.18 13:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Lana's Alt Originally by: Lightningshade Originally by: DamienEx Originally by: Paul Clavet Blah x3 pt3 Because we dont like you :-) You don't honor refunds because you don't like someone? You know whats funny? Even I dont use that excuse.. I like the corp, and the few guys that I remember from there (somewhat) - I don't think I remember this Damien guy - but imo he should state his opinion and then just shut up about it. Playing the "Oh yeh, this attention is great" just doesn't look so fondly on him. You know, when you go into a fast food restaurant, complain about the food, even though it was great and still get a refund - that's so the public image doesn't get screwed.
Tirus Sinobi	Posted - 2009.11.18 17:15:00 - [87] Originally by: DamienEx I couldn't be more satisfied with the amount of attention this is getting us :-) It took me a bit to put 2 and 2 together but i finally realized that Michael Hoare actually is a recent employer. He had us target what he called an empire corp. He wanted 10 kills per week, not unreasonable at all. What he failed to mention is that said corp had 90% of its active members living in worm holes. We spent hours probing for worm holes and jumping in and out of them TRYING to find them in the initial operation area that we were given. Turns out they moved. Once the location of where they had moved was obtained, we proceeded to move our scanning characters into the area and began the process all over again. Further research showed that there are 2000+ wormholes in all of eve. Three days into the war dec, no kills, and not even a single sighting of one of the war targets, we gave Milena Marich aka Michael Hoare a full refund of said isk. We didnt even keep the 2 mil from the war dec. His character INSISTED we keep a portion of the isk as gratitude for our time. We didnt keep any of it. There were also no bribes from the target, there wasnt even any communication from them. In light of this contract going the wrong way, we offered to get an out of corp alt to join the target and then proceed to get locations, worm hole entrance and exit points so we could then move a number of our pvp characters into the worm hole to attack the corp. Milena Marich seemed satasfied with that response and we told him we would get back to him as soon as all the peices were in place. I can safely say we will not be contacting our employer in regards to anything. But to make this short and sweet... -Michael Hoare is Milena Marich -We refunded Milena Marich since we couldnt kill targets who were in worm holes that we had no way of getting to -We offered a means of completing the contract in the future, and it was accepted -Some of us learned how to probe things out better Fin. Isnt there a reason you shouldnt give this information out, maybe some kind of trust issue. Nobody clever is going to hire a Mercenary corporation that tells the entire forum the details of the contracts. What happened to confidentiality? This is expected of all Mercenary corporations is it not?
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.18 19:01:00 - [88] I have yet to release any details about a contract where someone was cooperating with us and not attempting to wreck our image by posting a load of crap without coming out with his main to confirm or deny the fact that he was a character that we had been employed by or not. I just answered everyone's question to get the truth onto the plate. And as for the "we dont like you" comment, cant take a joke can we?
Lightningshade Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.18 23:32:00 - [89] Originally by: DamienEx I have yet to release any details about a contract where someone was cooperating with us and not attempting to wreck our image by posting a load of crap without coming out with his main to confirm or deny the fact that he was a character that we had been employed by or not. I just answered everyone's question to get the truth onto the plate. And as for the "we dont like you" comment, cant take a joke can we? Way to get defensive girlfriend. Did I hurt your efeelings? Professional attitude right there. gl
DamienEx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2009.11.19 01:11:00 - [90] Originally by: Lightningshade Way to get defensive girlfriend. Did I hurt your efeelings? Professional attitude right there. gl Dont flatter your self. I wasnt talking to you :-)



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