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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Intense Thinker on 10/11/2009 19:54:06
I totally started the flame war 
EDIT: 2nd page SNIPA!!!!!
 Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:54:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Makes me want to cover myself in green jell-o and fap while twisting my nipples
Sounds a bit complicated, how many hands do you have? Would have thought that would take 3 or 4.
Yes.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:55:00 -
[33]
Edited by: ceaon on 10/11/2009 20:01:54
Originally by: Ai Mei
Example, France killed people via the guillotine up till 1977 and this was the ONLY legal form of capital punishment in the country. Lethal injection or beheading. hmmmmmm
plz give the numbers of how many ppl got killed that way after France signed human rights
in 1977 USA was killing criminals whit lethal injection ?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.10 19:59:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 10/11/2009 19:54:06
I totally started the flame war
EDIT: 2nd page SNIPA!!!!!
I belive this is fitting.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:07:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Intense Thinker on 10/11/2009 20:08:17
Originally by: Shirley Serious
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Makes me want to cover myself in green jell-o and fap while twisting my nipples
Sounds a bit complicated, how many hands do you have? Would have thought that would take 3 or 4.
I'm very flexible 
Originally by: baltec1
I belive this is fitting.
No no no, I DID start the flame war. It pleases me to see the forum regulars ready to throw down the gauntlets 
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:20:00 -
[36]
Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 10/11/2009 20:01:54
Originally by: Ai Mei
Example, France killed people via the guillotine up till 1977 and this was the ONLY legal form of capital punishment in the country. Lethal injection or beheading. hmmmmmm
plz give the numbers of how many ppl got killed that way after France signed human rights
in 1977 USA was killing criminals whit lethal injection ?
Capital punishment was suspended in the USA for much of the 70s, resuming in 77 with Gary Gilmore being executed by being shot in the chest five times by firing squad.
I hadn't realised that in 2005 America stopped executing child offenders. Interesting.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:29:00 -
[37]
Originally by: silly person
In my opinion, if you murder random people you aren't really human. Therefore, human rights have nothing to do with this.
You have to agree though that it was the perfect plan and we've all entertained it at some point or another.
If going to murder one person set it up so that that person becomes one in a string of seemingly random killings, to obscure the motive.
His primary was his ex girlfriend or wife, he just never got around to it.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:53:00 -
[38]
/strolls in
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/strolls out
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:55:00 -
[39]
Originally by: THE L0CK
/strolls in
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/strolls out
Yeah, you better keep walking
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Konoch
Caldari
Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:05:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Edited by: Tallaran Kouros on 10/11/2009 17:12:23
Death penalty huh?
Tell me Americans, how does it feel being the company of:
China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Yemen, Libya, Japan, Afghanistan and Indonesia as the most prolific state executioners on the world?
This man hunted men, hunted women. Treated them like cattle, prey animals. This man is an animal a fool. The Death Penalty is as far as i am concerned a proper penalty in cases like this. There are crimes so henious so inhumane so evil in origin that only one final act can be used. In the US we have a specific ammendment (not to mention several laws and GOD KNOWS HOW MANY COURT DECISIONS) On cruelty and torturing of legitimate prisoners.
I'll be in that company just fine. Why? We have due process. He was Tried and Convicted by a jury of his peers. That same Jury then in a seperate court hearing ruled that the Death Penalty was to be applied. Every care was taken, There was no bias. He is not being executed on political motives he is not being executed for taking a loaf of bread. This man murdered six people in one of the coldest ways imaginable. We might execute people often but unlike many of the countries on that list we make every endevour to see that it is fair honest and in the intrests of justice. While i do not care to see it on TV like some of our more bloodthirsty here. The fact he will not be around eating three square on taxpayer dime is just fine with me. There are large problems in the united states. Prisoners get treatment these days better than the homeless and a lot of people living in poverty. Its not a country club but there are far worse things we could and at times i believe SHOULD do to prisoners for some of their acts.
You can be opposed to the death penalty on Religious or Moral grounds i have no problem with that. But i am and will continue to be of the opinion that as long as it is fairly applied the Death Penalty has a place in society. And arugements like this continue to make me hope Bin Laden when we find him doesnt surrender but fight it out instead.
I'm not going to flame nor am i going to gloat. This man murdered six his accomplice is saved only by the fact he was considered a child at the time of the attacks. This man is in the same company as rapists and some of the darkest minds in history. We treat the wrong prisoners too harshly and ones like these get coddled too goddamned much. I will sleep just fine tonight knowing that he stands before the judgement of whatever afterlife you believe in.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:17:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: KingsGambit
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Muhammad is set to die by injection Tuesday night at Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt.
Isn't the name of the place false marketing? Surely something like "Greensville Death Center" is more appropriate
death isnt the goal of a 'correctional center'... correctional centers are prisons, just because they have the facilities (read, a chair and a doctor) to kill someone, doesnt mean that its a 'death center'..
Sorry, I *really* suck at sarcasm.  And that isn't meant sarcastically...my above post is, not this one 
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:21:00 -
[42]
Originally by: KingsGambit
Originally by: Lance Fighter
Originally by: KingsGambit
Quote:
Muhammad is set to die by injection Tuesday night at Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt.
Isn't the name of the place false marketing? Surely something like "Greensville Death Center" is more appropriate
death isnt the goal of a 'correctional center'... correctional centers are prisons, just because they have the facilities (read, a chair and a doctor) to kill someone, doesnt mean that its a 'death center'..
Sorry, I *really* suck at sarcasm. And that isn't meant sarcastically...my above post is, not this one
It corrects the error his parents made
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Arvald
Caldari
The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2009.11.10 21:29:00 -
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you kill someone, we kill you back
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious. |
ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.10 22:07:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Arvald
you kill someone, we kill you back
then ****load of soldiers need to be killed |
Elora Danzik
Caldari
Idiots In Spaceships
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.11.10 22:24:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Elora Danzik on 10/11/2009 22:31:20
Edited by: Elora Danzik on 10/11/2009 22:25:10
I think what most people tend to forget is the wonderful dual court system in the US.
There is the Federal and the individual state systems. When someone is tried for murder it is generally state issue, and each state decides on if captial punishment is allowed.
In most states, there are very few people on death row. Getting a death sentance is fairly hard, then with the almost endless appeals process many times it can get commuted to life in prison.
The whole reason it even makes the news is because its so rare for someone to actually be put to death.
Except for Texas.
EDTI: additionally most federal crimes that get the death sentacne all have one thing in common murder. The exceptions being Treason, Espionage, and some egresses offences due to drug traffiking.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.11.10 22:28:00 -
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Murder is the unlawful taking of another humans life.
Killing an enemy soldier in time of war, not murder
Cop killing someone with just cause, not murder
Execution, not murder.
The key here is unlawful
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.10 23:44:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Ai Mei
Ok before all of you go criticizing the USA again, why dont you look at your own countries pasts?
The death penalty *is* the past in Europe - in the USA it's very much the present, which is the point.
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Also, have any of you guys taken the time to look at your own prisons or what goes on in them? getting sent to prison in most any nation is pretty much a death sentance all on its own. Watch the show locked up abroad, you will see how bad prisons are, even in developed nations.
The conditions in most European prisons are generally better than US prisons as we believe that the goal of prison is as much to rehabilitate as it is to punish.
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So yeah, quit bashing USA until you look at your own country, and their histories and prison systems and judicial systems before you go out bashing anyone else.
I'm not criticising the US judicial system. We all know that some truly disturbing things have happened in the last few years but in this case, due process was followed and the guy was tried in front of a jury of his peers - I have no problem with that and I wish all trials were like that in every country.
What I have a problem with, is the idea that the state has the right to execute people. I appreciate that **** and murder are terrible crimes, but whilst there is still the risk that the state can deprive an innocent person of their life then I am opposed to state execution.
Far far better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent men be put to death.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.10 23:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Konoch
This man hunted men, hunted women. Treated them like cattle, prey animals.
That he did.
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There are crimes so henious so inhumane so evil in origin that only one final act can be used.
Putting the emotion aside for a moment, you may well be confident that due process was followed here and that a death-qualified jury convicted him and I agree - I have no complaint with the process.
However, there are plenty known cases where the evidence and the process HAS been flawed and innocent men have been put to death.
You can never justify that risk.
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This man is in the same company as rapists and some of the darkest minds in history.
I agree he isn't the nicest of men, but how many genuinely innocent men have been put to death?
A life time sentence can be overturned when a conviction is quashed, but a sentence of death is somewhat final and that's my big objection.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.11 01:01:00 -
[49]
Only 1 hour to go!!!
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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karma militia
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Posted - 2009.11.11 01:10:00 -
[50]
It seems the main arguement for why this guy should be killed, is no-one wants to pay for his survival.
Sorry, but that's rediculous. Slaves needed food and board, yet still managed to turn a profit.
Anyway, there are so many private prisons in the US, that the death penalty is actually a boon on their already weak economy.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Murder is the unlawful taking of another humans life.
Killing an enemy soldier in time of war, not murder
The key here is unlawful
Soooo, if i were to declare my sovereignty, i could declare war on poodles, and dispatch of them without fear of prosecution?
your days are numbered, little yappy demons.
Originally by: Corwain
The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.11.11 01:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: ceaon
you are not far away from him, how long will take until you will like to see it on live without a TV ?
The only thing better than the sound of two A-10's roaring down the valley unleashing hell with their 30 mm's when under hostile fire is seeing the aftermath of their pass.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Konoch
Caldari
Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.11 01:49:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Konoch
This man hunted men, hunted women. Treated them like cattle, prey animals.
That he did.
Quote:
There are crimes so henious so inhumane so evil in origin that only one final act can be used.
Putting the emotion aside for a moment, you may well be confident that due process was followed here and that a death-qualified jury convicted him and I agree - I have no complaint with the process.
However, there are plenty known cases where the evidence and the process HAS been flawed and innocent men have been put to death.
You can never justify that risk.
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This man is in the same company as rapists and some of the darkest minds in history.
I agree he isn't the nicest of men, but how many genuinely innocent men have been put to death?
A life time sentence can be overturned when a conviction is quashed, but a sentence of death is somewhat final and that's my big objection.
Your first arguement was emotionally charged. I countered it with facts.
To your second point however, Emotion did not enter into that statement. **** and Murder are two crimes that in my opinion fall into that catagory. Crimes like Genocide and Serialism are only magnifications of that act. Rapists do harm that not even death can match sometimes. I understand how the world is and how it will likely be. But i'll be damned if i like it.
And as to the other point of that statement where you say: You can never justify that risk. You're probably right. The fact is if that happens we make it right. And until the extreme sanctions on cruel and unusual punishment are rolled back somewhat i'll continue to hold the position that the Death Penalty is a necessary punishment.
An episode of the west wing comes to mind. Season 3 episode 1 not even the series premiere because the date was just after 9/11. They went entirely impromptu and put an episode together in such speed it should terrify those who understand the process. In it a Student asked of Josh Lyman: Do you favor the death penalty for terrorists? He said that death would be too easy. He wanted them to spend eight hours a day watching home movies of the familes they ruined and then get punched in the head before bedtime by a different person. I'll tell ya I understand we dont do that kind of thing any more but letting them eat three square meals a day on my dime isnt right. Just removing Sexual Prilvliages and limiting their Menu isnt right. You want to make sure that innocent man is saved. I cant disagree with that position. But Life in Prision isnt right for some of these people. And it sure as hell isnt fair to the friends relatives of the victims.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.11 02:02:00 -
[53]
Hooray, it's over! Stay tuned though, the next one is sometime next week
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.11.11 02:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Hooray, it's over! Stay tuned though, the next one is sometime next week
He got off too easy, they should have had him run from one end of a rifle range to the other and who ever picks him off gets rifle expert, if he makes it across he goes free.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.11 02:13:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Hooray, it's over! Stay tuned though, the next one is sometime next week
He got off too easy, they should have had him run from one end of a rifle range to the other and who ever picks him off gets rifle expert, if he makes it across he goes free.
/signed
Originally by: Hamshoe
Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.
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Neyro7830
Gallente
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.11 03:10:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Hooray, it's over! Stay tuned though, the next one is sometime next week
He got off too easy, they should have had him run from one end of a rifle range to the other and who ever picks him off gets rifle expert, if he makes it across he goes free.
Dear god I feel bad for wanting to watch that. 
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.11.11 03:13:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Neyro7830
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Hooray, it's over! Stay tuned though, the next one is sometime next week
He got off too easy, they should have had him run from one end of a rifle range to the other and who ever picks him off gets rifle expert, if he makes it across he goes free.
Dear god I feel bad for wanting to watch that.
Don't
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.11.11 04:38:00 -
[58]
Originally by: karma militia
It seems the main arguement for why this guy should be killed, is no-one wants to pay for his survival.
Sorry, but that's rediculous. Slaves needed food and board, yet still managed to turn a profit.
Anyway, there are so many private prisons in the US, that the death penalty is actually a boon on their already weak economy.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Murder is the unlawful taking of another humans life.
Killing an enemy soldier in time of war, not murder
The key here is unlawful
Soooo, if i were to declare my sovereignty, i could declare war on poodles, and dispatch of them without fear of prosecution?
your days are numbered, little yappy demons.
You could, in your own country. You do this in say, Great Briton, and you have just 1) invaded another country, and 2) declared war on them. Have fun
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JordanParey
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.11 04:51:00 -
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BLEEP.....BLEEEP......BLEEP....BLEEEP....BLEEP...BLEEEP...BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP *red light flashes on and off*
**My opinion? ******* deserves it tbh, I wish they WOULD charge him for the items required to hasten his trip to hell, but in the meantime I'll pay the bill...cheaper than him fapping and lifting weights in prison for the next few years (if he lives that long)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.11 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 11/11/2009 05:16:53
Hmmm - all those repeated reports of white vans and they get two black guys.
And those sniping attacks added some great "Lets support the PATRIOT ACT SIGN IT NOW!!!" fear.
Something fishy here.
But hey, our government never lies to us. 19 men in Afghanistan destroyed three buildings with two planes in New York all because we let women wear bikinis.
(Let's overlook the fact that Bin Laden denied involvement with the attack only up until he started appearing in videos where he looked really fat and different, and how the US government refuses to release the originals of those tapes).
Of course, ****** ******* had weapons of mass destruction. We used tons of them to get him. Not to mention the depleted uranium ammo that is causing birth defects all over Iraq. Yes it's nice to be the country that will go to great lengths to keep from being "dirty bombed" while you will find more poison on the supermarket shelf and in the vaccines.
Gulf of Tonkin.
USS Liberty.
Look them up.
Yeah these two guys went around sniping people. Right.
Nothing to see here.
Now I await the army of sheer coincidence theorists (most of them on payrolls) to show up.
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