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R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 19:20:00 - [1] I just wonder based on what have theese changes been made? Like have there been any objections from playerbase about the ship class being unbalanced (taking in note the changes innitially given in Dominiona and test days) compared to for example the titan doomsday mechanics?
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 14:39:00 - [2] Originally by: gnome blood No matter how you spin this, it¦s a buff to the moms as they are on TQ at the moment. Could you enlighten us where is that buff? The whole problem about this is the 180 degree turns CCP make and not even sticking to their own initial plans / promises / announcements .. Also if the changes are not intended and will never land on TQ why not a single dev / ccp employee has responded in the past couple of days stating that? Besides the increased forum thread locking and deletes from moderators.. Just to make community angry? If yes - thats accomplished by 120% ..
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:07:00 - [3] Originally by: gnome blood EHP and dps has been quadrupled or more from their current stats on the LIVE server. They lost half their dps from the last iteration on the TEST server. They lost DPS (if you skip the anti-capital role) also compared to current TQ .. EHP is quite useless in general if you have no means of counterreacting. Quote: What promises? They tested one possible change on the test-server. When is that any kind of promise? Read the Dominion devblog regarding supercapital changes .. Quote: Moderators and devs are different people. That is clear / noone asks anything regarding game mechanics from moderators - still their task should be to communicate back and relay the issues which could be solved even just by a simple one-liner from a dev.. That way minimising their own amount of work too. Quote: I wish people would stop taking game changes personally. Seriously, grow up or GTFO. Don't take it seriosly too by sending others somewhere .. People will make their own decision when its enough for them and drop for something else..
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 15:45:00 - [4] Originally by: gnome blood If you skip the anti-capital role? Are you serious? CCP decided it¦s the new role for the ship and you conveniently skip it? Yes I'm serious because it bassically does less damage than a regular capital (or you have skipped all the posts so far / never tested yourself?). Quote: They have lost the ability to operate without a support fleet. That they¦ve lost half their drone dps is a disadvantage if they were supposed to deal with small fleets solo. They have _gained_ the ability to operate ONLY and ONLY in a blob (every single HIC can take them hands down s).. what was the "anti-" role ment for? Quote: I¦ve read it. It doesn¦t say anywhere that they promise to change the motherships into solo-supercarriers of omgwtfbbqdoom. It does say they want to change capital warfare. They redefine motherships to be anti-capital weapons and more than halve their price to better accommodate that role. Just a single quote from the Blog - "Supercarriers are going to get new teeth in the form of the deadly new Fighter Bombers they can launch. Fighter Bombers have exactly one purpose: to destroy capital ships and look very cool while doing so. Fighter Bombers will be unique to the Supercarrier class, launching specialized torpedoes capable of inflicting immense damage against other capital ships." new teeth / deadly / very cool / unique / immense damage ...
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.13 16:12:00 - [5] Originally by: The Internets You know what the counter to supercarriers would be? More supercarriers. Normal carriers/dreads get completely annihilated. What is the counter to a single battleship? Moar battleships.. Can apply the same argument to every class .. You don't counter a ship by nerfing it but introducing a new mechanics/ships - was done in past nicely when MS were overpowered gate huggers a HIC came into spotlight and problem was solved. Also by killing (in past) one you easily compensate the loss of 10 dreads if you fight the ISK wars..
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 16:35:00 - [6] Originally by: McFly 10.28.2009: CCP Abathur: Supercarriers will not be docking in Dominion. If this ever happens it will be the result of a very expensive infrastructure or outpost upgrade. <----What Happened here? Did Nozh stuff Abathur into a trunk somewhere and take the reins? 11.13.2009: CCP Nozh: Super Carrier Changes: Can dock at stations QFT and history ..
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.17 00:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Drachenlord Seriously... the Cost Reduction is fine... What is so good about cost reduction? Why should the ship be available for everyone? Bassicaly a lot of the unneeded changes and nerfs and rebalances have happened just because the ship has become available to every hisec mission grinder with little effort.. The whole point is that this ship class should be cost-uneffective twice/tripple the price it is now so when you loose one you feel the pain rather than undock the next spare.. but it still should makes sense to use one in combat which was nicely done/possible with the innitial changes by Abathur.
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.17 10:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Karlemgne And why should they only be available to some small portion of the eve player base? Why should it be the case that I'll now have to worry about big 0.0 alliances hot dropping these on low-sec combats? So there is an effort to get not just complete few L4 and wolla you got a pwnmobile.. And if you are using it for lowsec hotdrops sooner or later you will loose it.. believe me. Quote: No, your right. Instead they should just be available to alliances that can AFK isk on moons. Because afking isk from a few moons is SOOO much more like working for one than "high-sec mission grinders." To become an AFK moon miner you had to go through a lot of pain .. Or you think the moons are distributed by CCP for free? And whats the problem for you to become one? Quote: Wait, triple the cost? Wouldn't that put them in Titan range? No not really.. also by looking at what rate the titans have been spammed the price should have been increased like twofold for them to put even bigger burden on those who want to use it.. Otherways you could also reduce the price to BS level and let everyone to have bunch of MSes parked in stations.. why not?
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.18 02:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Karlemgne What people are suggesting is that you simply lower the barrier of entry to super-caps. Despite what you think 10 billion isk is probably 15x what the average eve player has had in their wallet at the times when their wallet was at its fattest. Why? Why the _average_ eve player needs to fly a supercapital? The whole essence of the ship-class is to be rare / expensive and shiney.. You could ask why everyone is not allowed to fly imperial geddons or federate megas and why the price has sooo many zeros (if there ever be one for sale in anytime).. p.s. also you are way "disconnected" thinking that 10bn is something distant from the average player (maybe you need to get more familiar with ways of earning ISK in the game).. Where do you think all theese officer fit hisec CNRs and golems come from (some cost more than a MS)? Then again its not related to this thread.
R0ze Exile Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.18 11:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Karlemgne And they're changing that so the essence of the ship is an anti-cap dps platform. And that's what this whine thread is about.. Noone can't see where after the last changes the ANTI-Capital role has been squeesed in.. as they can't kill a single capital instead a new role has appeared "station huggers".. If you wanted some new role a T2 carrier as people suggestted would be much better choice. Originally by: Karlemgne If you want a shiny epeen go buy yourself a Titan.. The funny thing is I have one.. and its even worthless (except you can only play a mobile POS-module now) than a MS (but thats another thread again).

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