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Vrenth
Gallente Lightning Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.11 11:09:00 -
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They were not particularly overpowered before this nerf, seeing as 90% of ships could speed tank them, bringing their dps down to that of equal or lower levels than traditional fighters. The only issues I saw with them having that many fighters was the visual lag created when missile effects were turned on and 20 of those bombs exploded at the same time.
With current figures, they are doing about 40-50% less dps. This brings them down to just above dreadnought damage. Judging their weapon systems are not only destructible, and it is easily shaved off by moving fast or being small... I'd say this nerf was poorly implemented or completely pointless.
If this ties in with motherships being the ship that eventually fills the field with the level of drones that the supercarrier used to field.. then I am okay with that, but the fighter bomber damage needs to dramatically increase. Losing the ability to field 20+ fighter/utility drones, I would say it needs to be raised to it's previous level, if not higher to maintain it's utility.
What this nerf has essentially done is taken away it's role and turned it in to a giant flying chunk of HP... which is only a slight improvement on the previously useless "mothership"
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The Kan
Gallente Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.11 12:21:00 -
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yay \o/ back to useless paperweight
why field a ship so expensive just to do slightly above dread damage?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.11.11 12:25:00 -
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Not cool CCP.
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Serena Ku
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.11 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Serena Ku on 11/11/2009 12:32:13 Indeed, in fact all of the latest sisi supercapitals are practically worthless. I hope this is some sick joke on CCP's part than an actual nerf consideration.
If these changes comes into play, I'll finally seriously consider quitting eve (that's how bad it is).
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.11 12:33:00 -
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wellcome to titans world :-) I think ccps intention is just to nerf supercaps so no1 flies them and correct the "error" ccp did, to introduce them.
Well I dont belive it was an error and nerfing them to obvilion w/o counting countless of hours ppl worked to build them (not every1 has moon miners) is a bad thing ________________________________________________
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matrix666
Gallente X.S. Industries Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.11 13:00:00 -
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Can we get a comment from ccp as to this being a mistake or are they getting nerfed to to 10 fighters please?
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.11.11 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 11/11/2009 13:29:56
Originally by: Serena Ku
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
If this doesn't change back I, too, will be selling a wyvern
I asked a GM in sisi about this as I also logged in and was suprised the Nyx only could launch 10. His response was it is a bug and would be fixed at the next downtime.
We can breathe guys... it's ok.
from: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180138&page=14#392
not directly from CCP but it makes sense cause this being intentional would just be ridiculous, so chillax
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Serena Ku
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.11 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang Edited by: Amy Wang on 11/11/2009 13:29:56
Originally by: Serena Ku
Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
If this doesn't change back I, too, will be selling a wyvern
I asked a GM in sisi about this as I also logged in and was suprised the Nyx only could launch 10. His response was it is a bug and would be fixed at the next downtime.
We can breathe guys... it's ok.
from: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1180138&page=14#392
not directly from CCP but it makes sense cause this being intentional would just be ridiculous, so chillax
Yes, that was me who asked. But this was before I noticed the description also was changed so I guess I am getting paranoid.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.11.11 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 11/11/2009 14:21:13 yes, I concur
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Amarr Carrier Skill Bonuses: 50% bonus to Capital Energy and Armor transfer range per level 5% bonus to all Armor resistances per level Can fit Projected Electronic Counter Measures Can deploy 1 additional Fighter or Drone per level 200% bonus to Fighter control range Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare
Also note the bandwidth changed from 12500 to 7500 allowing for a maximum of 15 drones/fighters (lvl 5 plus 5 DCUs nobody will fit anyway).
If this is intentional it makes no sense whatsoever, before moms were just overpriced carriers in essence, then they got the boost to make them worthwhile and now this nerf brings them back to overpriced carrier level??
Maybe the idea is to reduce lag by reducing the drone number, that would make sense kinda (although just making the compact-citadel-torp explosion less lag inducing would have dont that trick already lol).
But only if they add a 20% damage and hp bonus to drones/fighters/fighter-bombers per level!
That would actually at the same time reduce the impact smartbombs have on fighter-bombers which is probably a good side effect. And if the fighter-bay sizes stay it will also solve the problem with too little space for spares.
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Mkiaki
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.11 15:30:00 -
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Please do continue crying.
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Don Pellegrino
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Posted - 2009.11.11 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Don Pellegrino on 11/11/2009 15:41:08
Originally by: Mkiaki Please do continue crying.
1. Post with your main. 2. Post useful stuff. 3. If you're a main, then you being in the noob corp is just another proof that you're insanely jealous of the supercap pilots.
---- I'm not a mothership pilot, but if they do slightly more damage than a dread, I can't find a use for them anymore.
edit: spelling
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Mynas Atoch
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:36:00 -
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I just don't get it. Huge, mean looking, expensive to build .. a one time decision for a pilot to get into them and be stuck there unable to change ship. So why nerf them this badly? Their days of virtual invincibility is gone .. no one is going to conquer a quarter of null sec with four of them ever again no matter what you do. It looked for a few weeks like you had given them a role in the game again .. and now you back out? This change is ridiculous and uncalled for. Please reverse it.
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NightHawk VenGarden
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: NightHawk VenGarden on 11/11/2009 16:40:58
Originally by: Mynas Atoch I just don't get it. Huge, mean looking, expensive to build .. a one time decision for a pilot to get into them and be stuck there unable to change ship. So why nerf them this badly? Their days of virtual invincibility is gone .. no one is going to conquer a quarter of null sec with four of them ever again no matter what you do. It looked for a few weeks like you had given them a role in the game again .. and now you back out? This change is ridiculous and uncalled for. Please reverse it.
....quoting Mynas...something i never thought possible.
CCP, are you kidding? So now MOMS = Carriers in terms of fighter deployment for 10x's the price?
And fitting DCU's is a joke, a mom or a carrier without it's high-slots to remote repair in the new 'OMG EHP' age is insane.
This is just stupid CCP, people have been buying up moms everywhere and that alone should show you that even though they will have to do it with care, they want to fight with moms.....now you nerf them without announcement and without giving them a chance? This is ridiculous. |
James Damar
Caldari H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:44:00 -
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Thanks for making me care less that I lost mine CCP. |
Sith8
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mynas Atoch I just don't get it. Huge, mean looking, expensive to build .. a one time decision for a pilot to get into them and be stuck there unable to change ship. So why nerf them this badly? Their days of virtual invincibility is gone .. no one is going to conquer a quarter of null sec with four of them ever again no matter what you do. It looked for a few weeks like you had given them a role in the game again .. and now you back out? This change is ridiculous and uncalled for. Please reverse it.
Quoting Minas
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:52:00 -
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Time to start shopping a new MMO.
Eve had a good run ______________________________
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seliana tanis
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous Time to start shopping a new MMO.
Eve had a good run
Perpetum online looks pretty good manny.
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Ian Logalus
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:09:00 -
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Ooh god let this really be a bug... 10 fighters or drones on a mom... wtf :X 18b down the drain for a regular carrier with double dps :X
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Lialem
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lialem on 11/11/2009 17:13:31 Rofl. and why should we believe you OP?
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LordMordred
Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:33:00 -
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Not some random error then this:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
CCP, sorry but for first time ever I think I'm going to publicly shout at you to PULL YOUR HEAD, OUT OF YOUR ARSE.
This is insane. Reverse or upgrade with a 20% everything per level bonus for fighter bombers.
You gave these ships purpose for being again... now... ??? Maybe some friends are right in their attitude that Eve had a good run while it lasted not sure I'm there yet depends on your official reply.
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fairimear
Gallente Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.11.11 17:36:00 -
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No. just No.
Bringing a type of class to PL. |
no pants
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: LordMordred Not some random error then this:
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
CCP, sorry but for first time ever I think I'm going to publicly shout at you to PULL YOUR HEAD, OUT OF YOUR ARSE.
This is insane. Reverse or upgrade with a 20% everything per level bonus for fighter bombers.
You gave these ships purpose for being again... now... ??? Maybe some friends are right in their attitude that Eve had a good run while it lasted not sure I'm there yet depends on your official reply.
someone hasnt read the thread :)
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mineswallower
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:20:00 -
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Sigh, I thought I would have a reason to actually use a Nyx again.
CCP, why dont you try listening to your game designers, who have actually played the game at this level and know about this stuff, rather than just running round screwing up the first decent change you have made in game play in about 3 years? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:20:00 -
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Wow. I have a hard time believing that this was unintentional or a bug since the ship attribute changed, the description changed, and the bandwidth changed. That said...
I was looking at getting a Mom/Supercarrier in Dominion. TBH, it was about the only thing left that really interested me. With this change, I think I will finally be done with Eve... I will be very interested in seeing what happens.
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Areille
Amarr Black Hawk Down Syndrome
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: seliana tanis
Originally by: Manfred Sideous Time to start shopping a new MMO.
Eve had a good run
Perpetum online looks pretty good manny.
I had never heard of that game. Looks really really good :o
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:26:00 -
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CCP can you allow supercapitals to dock 1 time so they can be reprocessed. Because its alot of isk to be tied up in useless ships. This really is a serious request not a troll. It seems that you are not interested in giving players who invest lots of time in training and isk investment any true reward for said effort. So let us reprocess them and use the isk elsewhere because they are useless. I really get the impression that you are afraid to let anyone or anything stand out.
Carrier = 1 bil
Supercarrier = 13-15 bil
Shouldnt the supercarrier be like 10 times more lethal and tough?
Titan = 60 billion
10 min refire on superweapon and 2.5 times dps on guns than a dread. Seriously are you kidding. I really wish I could ram my corps titan and moms in your hindquarters atm. At least that would be a pleasurable use and satify my urge to smite you! ______________________________
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:49:00 -
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It makes no sence to me to tune th dps down. One might argue that allainces could bring 25 moms to dominate battlefields, but the next day a smart fc has asquad of stealthbombers declawing those moms, or some snipehacs taking out bombers.
Their dps has a counterpart, but what good are they if they do no more dps then a dread? -
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Sniperpirate
Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.11 18:55:00 -
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The MS was broken, first you change the name into something meaningless, I can bear with this, even though it is a cheat into creating another ship class.
Then you nerf the drones, which is the only damage output the ship has? First i thought 20 fighter bombers no supplementary drones. This is a joke but i could find some small reason to do this. But now 10 drones only, might as well use a carrier cos its cheaper and does the same job.
The titan doomsday wasn't overpowered to being with, only dumb pilots die to it. If your aligned you can warp out with no to minimal losses. The AOE was taken out to be replaced with Single Target, i dont like the move but its liveable just. Next you change the timer from 5 mins to 10 mins, I thought the whole point of dominion was non stop PVP not a lag fest which is what your creating, every time a titan fires off its super weapon.
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Nemisis666
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:02:00 -
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Oh sweet, more idling for my Mothership pilot. It's not like I've been waiting for a year to find a justification to field the thing and die horribly in a blaze of glory.
Nemi.
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.11 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kell Braugh on 11/11/2009 19:31:00 Price and performance is not a linear equation, especially in eve where people will spend 100000% (2mil vs 2BIL) more isk for 20% more performance. (Look at deadspace Boosters/Reps if need an example)
edit: Although I agree that supercarriers should pwn, using the price argument is fallacy - In essence, any combat related activity involving damage has been 'speed nerfed' to just take 6 times longer with a predetermined outcome coined balance by CCP. |
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