Originally by: John Zorg

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So you say the 14+ bill that I spent on a mothership has basically just halved in value?!?! Are you going to refund me the difference or just tell me tough ****, deal with it? I accepted the loss I would take because of the clone vats but this is not fair.

I am so angry now. I spent years of time to reach this level, I spent hours of game time to get this ship, months of training time, hundreds of dollars only for you now to tell me you want to destroy it. I want my ISK back if you go through with this.

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Originally by: Shad0wsFury

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immune to Ewar (other than HICs)

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Originally by: Shad0wsFury

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These emo tears are delicious.

You guys are almost like America's conservative "tea baggers" who are fighting against liberal policy because it hurts YOU directly in the pocketbook.

Think about the changes, and how they will impact EVE as a whole.

5-6b supercarriers will make them fairly affordable, and when working en-masse, can do things that dreads cannot because they are mobile (if slow), and are immune to Ewar (other than HICs). What will we see in a few months? Likely we'll see supercarrier wings that can hit and run, fight aligned, put out frightening dps, respond and retreat and do a number of other things. They won't completely replace dreads, but they could come damn close (just imagine if dreads could fight aligned and put out siege dps...).

All I see in this topic are "I have a mom" whiners, and I don't blame them, tbh. What's important though is how this will impact the game as a whole and not how it's going to hurt a VERY small percentage of the EVE population.

I for one think the changes will be good, allowing for supercarriers to be more attainable for the average player not part of a superpower willing to subsidize one (or build one for cost even), and will add a new layer to capital warfare, something that any capital pilot will tell you can get VERY boring.

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Originally by: CCP StevieSG

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Hello everyone. While we appreciate that this thread is generating quite a bit of feedback we would ask that your responses be polite and respectful. Please note that any posts which break the forum rules may result in a warning or ban. Thank you.

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Originally by: the plague

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I'm generally very supporting of CCP and its design decisions. Even when I disagree with a particular decision, I can almost always see where the devs were coming from, even if I would have chosen another path. But this is just asinine.

I'm almost always on your side, CCP, but even I have to wonder if there isn't some truth to the charge that the devs no longer play the game or even know what's going on.

The Mothership has always been one of the coolest ships in the game, but one rarely seen or used because it was huge waste of ISK. Worse than a waste of ISK, it was little more than a very expensive target. But finally, after years of neglect, this class of ships was finally going to be made into a weapon fearsome enough to justify the extreme price and inability to dock. After testing the new Supercarrier design several times on SISI over the last few weeks, I was still unconvinced the ship was effective enough as it remains one of the few ships in the game that can have its primary weapons taken away from it quite easily. But still, it was still a move in the right direction.

And then someone decided to nerf the damn thing back into uselessness before we even got to use it! This has got to be some kind of new record.

Really CCP, you need to get it into your heads that many players see cap warfare as EVE's endgame. They won't spend years and years paying for accounts, training up characters, and painstakingly building up in-game assets just to fly the same old ships as the noobs. People want an endgame! It is not unreasonable or "unbalanced" for players who have invested years in your game to demand rewards commensurate with that kind of investment. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that this habit of nerfing and pre-nerfing everything in the damn game into oblivion is beyond old. A lot of us are to the point where we're questioning whether it's really worth the time, energy and in-game currency to invest in anything in this game because it will likely just get snatched away at some point on the whim of some dev.

Come on CCP, you're supposed to be giving seasoned players more reasons to stick with EVE and keep playing. Instead, your intent seems to be to nerf every worthwhile investment in the game into complete uselessness. But if you're not real damn careful, you're going to end up nerfing EVE into uselessness.

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Originally by: the plague

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I'm generally very supporting of CCP and its design decisions. Even when I disagree with a particular decision, I can almost always see where the devs were coming from, even if I would have chosen another path. But this is just asinine.

I'm almost always on your side, CCP, but even I have to wonder if there isn't some truth to the charge that the devs no longer play the game or even know what's going on.

The Mothership has always been one of the coolest ships in the game, but one rarely seen or used because it was huge waste of ISK. Worse than a waste of ISK, it was little more than a very expensive target. But finally, after years of neglect, this class of ships was finally going to be made into a weapon fearsome enough to justify the extreme price and inability to dock. After testing the new Supercarrier design several times on SISI over the last few weeks, I was still unconvinced the ship was effective enough as it remains one of the few ships in the game that can have its primary weapons taken away from it quite easily. But still, it was still a move in the right direction.

And then someone decided to nerf the damn thing back into uselessness before we even got to use it! This has got to be some kind of new record.

Really CCP, you need to get it into your heads that many players see cap warfare as EVE's endgame. They won't spend years and years paying for accounts, training up characters, and painstakingly building up in-game assets just to fly the same old ships as the noobs. People want an endgame! It is not unreasonable or "unbalanced" for players who have invested years in your game to demand rewards commensurate with that kind of investment. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that this habit of nerfing and pre-nerfing everything in the damn game into oblivion is beyond old. A lot of us are to the point where we're questioning whether it's really worth the time, energy and in-game currency to invest in anything in this game because it will likely just get snatched away at some point on the whim of some dev.

Come on CCP, you're supposed to be giving seasoned players more reasons to stick with EVE and keep playing. Instead, your intent seems to be to nerf every worthwhile investment in the game into complete uselessness. But if you're not real damn careful, you're going to end up nerfing EVE into uselessness.

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Originally by: Arcanim Al'Seif

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Originally by: Shad0wsFury

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These emo tears are delicious.

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Good thing that just like dreads/carriers you can dock them, allowing you to not have to use a garage account to stay in it permanently...no...wait...

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Originally by: Mr Bright

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is it just me or is everyone agreeing with each other for once?:D

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