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Kaar
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:28:00 -
[181]
I dunno how this game has survived so long with such clueless devs shaping a game they dont understand.
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Fylin Manslayer
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:29:00 -
[182]
Really terrible idea - these ships SHOULD be hard to get and give really big benefits to those that have them. Soon people will field lots of them and carriers will start to get overlooked by bigger alliances.
I do wonder how much you guys actually play the game before you make these decisions. I was very excited about how my Aeon would be able to be used much more but now it isn't looking anywhere near as attractive.
I have also lost a lot of ISK if I wanted to sell.
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Tyler
Shut Up And Play
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:29:00 -
[183]
Clearly Seleene has been lockde up in some sort of dungeon, there's no way he would ever implement such a change.....
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Grekken
Caldari
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:30:00 -
[184]
Dude why would you kill the NYX? The ship is gona be crap man what the hell. You know people have worked their ass off to save for that ship and now your gona make it a peace of junk. Thank you for destroying 3 years of hard work.
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Dri Kulsane
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:30:00 -
[185]
 Originally by: CCP Nozh
Hey,
The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.
New stats for "Compact Citadel Torpedoes" (launched by fighter bombers):
Explosion Radius: 3500
Explosion Velocity: 45
Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number)
Damage: 3600
Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.
What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost. The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.
By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.
There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit.
-Nozh
Ah, so you're the 'special' child who's been out playing around with the big boys toys. Perhaps you should go home and check with mummy and daddy about what you're trying to do. I was of the understanding that a well respected and former player regarding super capitals was dealing with this. You know, shoving something this size up someone's back side without as much as a please and thank you isn't polite.
You're talking about a reduced cost for building these ships, but what about all those which have existed for years and all those while are currently in build?
When will we be receiving the refund?
You seem to be the most closed minded Developer I have ever come across, I'd expect something better from a company I've worked with and respected for near 7 years. You cannot and will not remove 40% of what these ships are without cutting a piece of the community away. Mothership's have been an already limited platform since they were created, what you've done is **** us ya ungrateful jump start!
I'll be expecting my forum ban in the mail, since I'm not going to let this one go!
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sg3s
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:33:00 -
[186]
Hmmmmm, OK, lets try this. How would you guys like it if supercarriers go back to what they are now, except the HP boost that can stay or titans are gonna have a fun time.
So no fighter bombers, high costs, but +3 fighters per lvl etc.
Would that be better?
Nerfs that offset buffs aren't especially bad.
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Kaeser
Caldari
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:33:00 -
[187]
Did the IQ at CCP drop inline with the drop in the value of the local currency ? 
Why is CCP trying so hard to kill it's own game ? To free more resources for Dust ?
Oh well...guess I can lose the three accounts being held for supercaps. Thank god I'm not one of the poor sods who had actually gone out and bought a mothership or titan prior to waiting to see what CCP would do.
Thank you CCP for saving me some RL dollars and some ingame ISK.
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Saimedai
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:33:00 -
[188]
Just dropped 40b on a worthless mothership/character/officer mods in the hopes of them being worth having. Thanks CCP!
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Mynas Atoch
UK Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:33:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 12/11/2009 15:34:36
And THIS dear friends is why a man with a spreadsheet should not be given a job to 'balance' something only the most experienced players in the game fly.
Nozh If you are SO confident that your decision is right, give us the option to reprocess them into components at our nearest empire hangar as part of the startup for Dominion and let us decide for ourselves.
Myn
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Umberto Tann
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:34:00 -
[190]
TERRIBLE IDEA, ther goes my hard work to gain one. this is really ridulous. Not gonna repeat what others, should be enough. FAIL
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iudex
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:34:00 -
[191]
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.
Why are you doing this ? Eve economy is growing, there is not a shortage of building materials, also there are enough miners to supply the demand for ore and enough new logistic tools (e.g. jump freighters) to make the building process easy.
You are effectively devaluating the ships for all people who already own or hold a MS. Now the ship they have is suddenly worth 40% less. Think of all the manufacturers that have built them before your announcement and now have them in stock and can sell them without a huge loss.
And there's no need to reduce the price, I don't think the isk is the problem, as other mentioned above, the main issue is the lack of dockablity (req. of an extra character/clone). Please don't bring down the price, and then nerf the ship, to make it's performance match the (new) price again.
At least please don't touch the MS BPO prices. People bought MS BPOs as investments to make copies or research them, there is a solid market for that, BPCs are traded on a daily basis. If you "adjust" BPO prices as well, it's like deleting someone's isk.
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:35:00 -
[192]
Originally by: NightHawk VenGarden
We are not overlooking anything, we actually play the game.
WTF is wrong with you?
Thank you for ****ing your customers.
Quotin' cause is true.
This expansion CAN'T suck more (well it could, but then you would have pulled an NGE), mad props CCP!
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Ridjeck Thome
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:36:00 -
[193]
wait, so not only do I get stuck with a 10bnisk+ loss - just becuase you cant be bothered to invent a mini-version of the mom...I now have to fly a coffin for one of my characters that even MORE worthless then it was before...
if you really think this is going to make moms more popular, you are deluded.
DONT impost a 10bn loss on us MOM pilots that have been stuck with this ship and promised an improvement.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:36:00 -
[194]
This is pretty ridiculous tbh. I thought the purpose of these changes was to encourage people to use and lose supercaps more often. The original changes kinda did this (as much as you can encourage someone to risk billions without making them damn near invincible).
But this recent change actually ruins the other changes you made. So, you removed the oversized smartbomb style DD, i think we can all agree that was a good idea. But who is going to field a titan in battle now? With motherships offering the dps of a good dread, and the remote repping power of a NON-triaged carrier, it doesn't really seem worth the risk to deploy one to keep a titan alive. You could just drop a dread and a carrier in its place and get a MUCH more effective rep out of the deal.
With motherships out of the picture, titans have to rely on themselves, and the regular capfleet in order to shed the dps incoming to them, this just isn't going to be enough. They lost their anti-cap buddies.
So here we are, with Motherships now called something stupid, now minus a triage mod, and minus some damage. The only thing you've actually ADDED is an HP boost, which seem kind of ridiculous when everything else actually discourages the pilot to field it.
You wanted people to use and lose them more? Well you ****ed that one up. Things are gonna be no different, these coffins will hardly see the light of day. Only now, when someone is fortunate enough to catch one jumping to a pos, they're going to need to drop 50 or so dreads straight away in order to kill it before it just slowboats into shields from the cyno (HP boost and bumping changes ftw). Well done, you just managed to achieve the exact opposite of what you set out to do... lmao
tl;dr - gay.
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mineswallower
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:39:00 -
[195]
I am speachless.
CCP try to push a slient nerf through and fail
CCP ignore the thread and fail
CCP try to justify the change and fail
Upshot is CCP fail
1 - I would like a 10b refund on my Nyx please, as your so inept, I am sure some ebay isk seller can do you a good deal, apparently your more interested in rl trading than building a workable game
2 - I would like to swap all those level 5 skills that I have for motherships, to something useful, like consumer relations, or diplomacy skills
3 - I would like you to go and appolagise to all the devs that have actually played this game and are opposed to these nerfs
4 - Try getting the famous balancing wand out, give it a wave and see which hole it ends up sticking out of.
So come on then, ban me, like I give a **** anymore
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Kraken Kill
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:42:00 -
[196]
so how do people who spent 15b on the ships just prior to the patch ment to live with them only being worth 5b? Please undo this crap. |
xttz
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:44:00 -
[197]
I never thought I'd say this but... bring back Seleene.
Nozh can return to making coffee, cleaning the desks or whatever he did before.
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Odda
Gallente
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:44:00 -
[198]
Every one QUICK selfdestruct your motership!
This wil give you more insurance isk, then the cost of them after dominon!
This blow's just canceld 4 accounts
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Arzal
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:45:00 -
[199]
This is the most stupid thing iv heard, why make them so cheap? surely they should be a super cap? not the next dreadnaught, or RMR carrier? congrats you have gone a total circle.
secondly why nerf them already, they were only good agaisnt caps, everything else could just move and speed tank them.
noone will use them, they will use dreads, easy to replace, easyer on lag. everything in their favour. you have totally ruined a perfectly good concept.
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:46:00 -
[200]
Honestly CCP, I consider myself a patient person, but what do you think your player base will do if you keep kicking them with multiple nerfs all at once. I was patient. I was willing to accept your crappy upgrade system; I was willing to put up with a new Sov system that still revolved around shooting stationary things in space; I was even willing to put up with the unnecessary 10 minute cool down time on the new DDs. Then you come with these latest nerfs on titan turret damage and it started to get under my skin and then you ****ing needlessly nerf supercarriers which a lot of people took time to train for and purchase(thankfully I have only bought the fitting, not the carrier) and then you just kick them right in the balls while their down. I honestly don't know what to say to this. You guys are the most clues bunch of morons that I have ever met. You literally know nothing of how your game works. I'm just lost for words as to the magnitude of stupidity with this decision. Decisions like this(alienating the long term memberbase) is what kills MMOs. Congratulations CCP, you have just won the biggest collective dumbass of the year award.
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Dri Kulsane
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:46:00 -
[201]
Originally by: xttz
I never thought I'd say this but... bring back Seleene.
Nozh can return to making coffee, cleaning the desks or whatever he did before.
Quoting because we really need someone like Seleene to be assigned to this!!!
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Agmar
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:48:00 -
[202]
I think the most interesting thing that Nozh said that every post I've read is glossing over is the fact that DCU's are broken and are being rebalanced.... and he's right.
The last time I fit a DCU was in 2006. If this mod becomes useful, this might not be a horrible thing.
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:48:00 -
[203]
I demand a compensation of 20b isk for my two Aeons from CCP before these changes hit the live server.
This is not open for debate. I invested the isk and gamemechanic changes take them, so it is no market fluctuation.
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Soldur
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:50:00 -
[204]
ha the changes are great people are just emo raging because the just lost out on about 10-15b isk for those that already have moms....haha fail
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Ne0tr0n
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:50:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Ne0tr0n on 12/11/2009 15:50:36
wtf how stupid can you be ccp? wtf is wrong with you nerfing moms this hard
stupid idiots
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:51:00 -
[206]
Currently, there is zero reason to use a Super-Carrier over a Dreadnaught.
It is still a much cheaper and effective Anti-Capital. Instant damage, fully insurable and can dock.
You guys are so clueless.
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dj crap
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:51:00 -
[207]
Edited by: dj crap on 12/11/2009 15:53:44
Just submitted a stuck petition....
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Hi,
I fly a Nyx, I am stuck in this ship which in 3 weeks time, your fail devs are making worthless.
Please can you move me to a station so that I can reprocess it?
If not, please can you print it off, walk round the corner and stick this petition up Nozh ***
Fondest regards
DJ
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Lol, I get a response!
Hello,
I'm afraid you are not meant to be able to reprocess motherships. If you are unhappy with the changes you can post about it on the forums as we in the GM team do not handle game design decisions.
Best Regards,
GM Sparkle
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Commander Diaz
Caldari
GreenSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:52:00 -
[208]
I dont really mind ccp nerfing stuff into oblivion.. but its not very nice when they tell you they are buffing it and get you all excited and then nerf it just at the last minute. Hurts my feelings 
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kapten sortebil
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:53:00 -
[209]
Why change a perfectly good concept?
The first dominon changes where damn nice!
Not a single person complained about it!
Why whuld you change somthing that was not BROKEN?
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:53:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Agmar
I think the most interesting thing that Nozh said that every post I've read is glossing over is the fact that DCU's are broken and are being rebalanced.... and he's right.
The last time I fit a DCU was in 2006. If this mod becomes useful, this might not be a horrible thing.
The numbers he quoted with a full rack of DCUs was still barely as much as a dread, when the SC hull alone costs 3 times as much as a fitted dread(which can be insured) and you can't dock. Not to mention your damage is extremely reliant on not have your F/Bs smartbombed by your enemies carrier blob. This turns SC into glorified carriers that can't dock and serve no real purpose.
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