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Seneram Caldari B'haxed Productions The Dominium	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:00:00 - [541] OUT THE GUY THAT KNOW WTF HE IS DOING BACK IN!!! I hate the bull**** that CCP came out with, Both on Moms and titans. I dont fly either ATM but i was just about to start flying a mom... Untill this came out!!! ------------------------------------------------- PewPew
Shade Millith Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:00:00 - [542] Edited by: Shade Millith on 12/11/2009 23:01:08 Grats CCP I'm not even a cap pilot, but I can see these changes are just stupid. --------------------------------------------
Major Raditz Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:00:00 - [543] Star Trek Online in Feb and Perpetuum Online after that. I think this is the beginning of the end for eve. She has had a good run but I think too many bad decisions have tainted the game. I haven't seen such an outcry since warp to 0 was introduced.
Obsidian Hawk Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:03:00 - [544] Seeing as how the main petition here was locked, Everyone pleas give GOOD, RESPECTFUL, and PROPER feedback. We all agree, the drone control nerf is way over the top period. We want +3 drones per level back plus we want the cost to be back to about 15 billion. If this is what you want then say exactly that here, less flaming and more of the same feed back will cause the reverting of motherships. Also, on the csm forum we have a new petition going to support this movement to restore motherships to their epic glory. Link to CSM petition Guys, I know a lot of you, we are better posters than this, SIGN the petition and give proper feed back. WE WANT OUR MOTHERSHIPS BACK!
Sooshie Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:04:00 - [545] This characters account is purely for mothership and a holder character as well.. If they pull this crap off goodbye 2x subs CCP. I think many other players would pretty much do the same.
Grekken Caldari Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:04:00 - [546] Edited by: Grekken on 12/11/2009 23:04:43 This was posted in CAOD then locked! -------------------------------------------------- Edited by: DJ Obsidian on 12/11/2009 19:53:55 Petition here Petition forum Rant / flame here / constructive feed back here Rant forum Now with compitent linking Locked for Off Topic for CAOD. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us ---------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- Vader Wills It!
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:09:00 - [547] Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread? I will be pro change for this. I will actually buy an Aeon post patch if its around 6bil, because it a viable upgrade compared to a Carrier. At 6bil, you get a Carrier, with more HP, more highslots and an EWAR immunity. Local Tank is better as well. Well worth the cost, can boost a fleet of them in true spider tank way (as carriers are intended). EVE is a game of diminishing returns, you pay a premium to get smaller upgrades. All you need to do is view it like a upgraded Carrier, not the pwnmobile you had in mind. It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Sooshie Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:10:00 - [548] Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey, By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team. There is currently a devblog in the making which should clarify the big picture a bit. -Nozh I dont think the Devs ever play this game and know how the players use these ships or how useless such fittings are because all drone control units do is get 20 billion isk of super capital ship killed. I think we need devs to re-think this whole thing with "real world" thinking of how things are actually done in the in-game environment.
Guterro d'Tefiane Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:10:00 - [549] And for those people who keep saying that this is just another nerf. It is not. When heavy dictors got introduced, motherships went from 30+ bil to around 15 bil, but the build cost never changed. So why change it now?
Random Womble Minmatar Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:11:00 - [550] Ok the cost nerf is harsh on current MS pilots i will agree there However other than that some of the complaints are ironic. For example early on one guy complaining that you will get for the cost of 10 carriers something that does realistically ignoring DCUs 3-4x the DPS of a carrier with fighter bombers to large targets and the same DPS with fighters VS others, has a lot more hitpoints, the added bonus of EW immunity and while that may not mean much now for warping because of HICs the fact that you cant be jammed is pretty useful these days even tho ECM ships got nerfed. You also still have the remote ECM burst which is not the worst piece of kit ever for trying to deal with those pesky hics (if in low sec). Where as before you basically got a carrier that did 2x the damage for 30x the price with not that much more HP ok you still had the EW immunity then ect so in a realistic comparison your looking at Before: 30x price 2x DPS 2x HP After 10x Price 3-4x DPS Not sure what HP is at not not been on SiSi in a little while but still considerably boosted over TQ stats i assume Bear in mind 10x cost does not mean 10x stats 10 tier 3 cruisers cost same as 10 tier 1 BS 10 tier 3 frigs cost same as 10 tier 1 cruisers yet in both cases DPS is roughly doubled hp roughly 5x so these changes are in proportion to that infact a little better. and yes i know those numbers are not completely relevant here but they are a good example of other similar situations. Alternatively you could compare MS/SCs (your choice i will keep using MS for ages myself) to dreads at which point you get about the same firepower but constant DPS over any range, better sub cap damage ability, spider tanking vs purely local in siege (dread out of siege is irrelavent), the ability to reposition while doing DPS and actually leave if things look like they will turn nasty, utility high slots to fit neuts/smarties/whatever and also the ECM burst to jam tacklers (in low sec or if weirdly not bubbled in 0.0), more buffer hitpoints and a variety of other things such as being able to lock more than 2 targets at once. Only things a dread actually really gets over the new MS is 1/5th cost and more damage to POSs. Oh and with the EW immunity dont underestimate the value of not being webbable.

Tippia Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:12:00 - [551] Originally by: Yosser Hughes Originally by: CCP Nozh Explosion Radius: 3500 Explosion Velocity: 45 Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number) Damage: 3600 What the hell, have you no idea how missiles work at all? With a 3500 explosion radius, supercarriers will be doing %50 damage to dreads. Just for the record, based on those numbers you get: Damage vs. Thanatos at no speed = ~3050. Damage vs. Thanatos at full speed = ~1350. Damage vs. Moros at no speed = ~1800. Damage vs. Moros at full speed = ~800. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Acerbits	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:13:00 - [552] MAKE NPC SUEPRCARRIER BPO SELLER GIVE ME A REFUND ON MY SUPERCARRIER BPO, IT'S NOW A 16.65BILLION ISK WORTHLESS PIECE OF **** THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECOUP MY INVESTMENT WITH!!!
Emily Elderburry	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:13:00 - [553] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread? I will be pro change for this. I will actually buy an Aeon post patch if its around 6bil, because it a viable upgrade compared to a Carrier. At 6bil, you get a Carrier, with more HP, more highslots and an EWAR immunity. Local Tank is better as well. Well worth the cost, can boost a fleet of them in true spider tank way (as carriers are intended). EVE is a game of diminishing returns, you pay a premium to get smaller upgrades. All you need to do is view it like a upgraded Carrier, not the pwnmobile you had in mind. It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit? One of the main issues is that players who already have purchased MS/Supercarriers will essentially be shafted 8-10 billion isk if the patch is released.
Sarah Norbulk Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:14:00 - [554] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread? I will be pro change for this. I will actually buy an Aeon post patch if its around 6bil, because it a viable upgrade compared to a Carrier. At 6bil, you get a Carrier, with more HP, more highslots and an EWAR immunity. Local Tank is better as well. Well worth the cost, can boost a fleet of them in true spider tank way (as carriers are intended). EVE is a game of diminishing returns, you pay a premium to get smaller upgrades. All you need to do is view it like a upgraded Carrier, not the pwnmobile you had in mind. It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit? So you're willing to pay 9b for a holding alt, $15 a month for an account for the holding alt in addition to the 5-6b for the actual ship, which I may add is a glorified carrier. It offers no real benefit over dreads for capital killing or carriers for logistics.
Pallidum Treponema Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:14:00 - [555] Originally by: Yosser Hughes Edited by: Yosser Hughes on 12/11/2009 22:50:45 Originally by: CCP Nozh Explosion Radius: 3500 Explosion Velocity: 45 Damage Reduction Factor: 6.5 (magic number) Damage: 3600 -Nozh What the hell, have you no idea how missiles work at all? With a 3500 explosion radius, supercarriers will be doing %50 damage to dreads. Why bother buying a supercarrier at all when a cheaper, insurable dreadnought will do more damage in capital fights? Put that Abathur dude back in charge, he seemed to know what the **** he was doing. I totally missed the part with the explosion radius. Good catch. This further reinforces my belief that this change is flawed. --
RoCkEt X Hostile.	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:15:00 - [556] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread? I will be pro change for this. I will actually buy an Aeon post patch if its around 6bil, because it a viable upgrade compared to a Carrier. At 6bil, you get a Carrier, with more HP, more highslots and an EWAR immunity. Local Tank is better as well. Well worth the cost, can boost a fleet of them in true spider tank way (as carriers are intended). EVE is a game of diminishing returns, you pay a premium to get smaller upgrades. All you need to do is view it like a upgraded Carrier, not the pwnmobile you had in mind. It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit? 1 - CCP wants motherships/titans to be anti-cap ships. 2 - if you can get an aeon, so can half of eve. supercaps arent supposed to be commonplace. 3 - supercarrier isnt an 'upgrade' its an entirely new level/concept of ship. 4 - SC's now have no advantage over carriers if trying to kill a HIC/HAC or w/e. can only launch 10 fighters. 5 - stuff. go figure [.-H-.] Hostile.
Aphrodite Whiterose Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:17:00 - [557] I like how they wanted moms to be the new anti capital ship and then made them do less dps than dreads lol. ----------------------------------------------- Amarr - Playing EVE in Hardcore Mode since 2007
Protheroe	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:18:00 - [558] Originally by: CCP Reputational risk Reputational risk is the risk that CCP will suffer loss of revenue due to negative publicity. Such negative publicity may result from operational decisions, or lack thereof, or from events arising within CCP’s online virtual worlds. In this respect, it should be noted that the Company’s main source of revenue is subscription fees, collected from a large number of private individuals. These individuals form a user community that is highly demanding and interactive. Damage to the Company’s reputation may cause these individuals to terminate their subscriptions in large numbers. In this case, future earnings would be adversely affected.
Tebis BlackTalon Mining Corp G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:18:00 - [559] Originally by: Artemis Rose It is a SUPPORT and it is a LOGISTIC ship. Why in New Eden should its DPS matter one bit? Uh the whole point of super carrier was to give it a different role... It was to be an anti-capital ship and no longer a support/logistics ship.. hence the removal of triage module I don't like the titan or supercarrier changes .. to me it lacks a defined role and just tries to one up dreads and carriers respectively .. pointless
Mynchko Atoch Atoch Family Holdings	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:20:00 - [560] Originally by: Sha Kharn lol chill guys this Nozh guy is either joking or a little ******ed. Im sure its just a joke. I think HE is the joke. One would think from his comment about fitting Moms for damage that he had never actually flown one in serious combat. Probably looks well balanced on his f'ing spreadsheet though. Shame you can't fly spreadsheets into a laggy system with 120 hostiles waiting for you. Why they would pwn!

Sooshie Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:21:00 - [561] Originally by: Protheroe Originally by: CCP Reputational risk Reputational risk is the risk that CCP will suffer loss of revenue due to negative publicity. Such negative publicity may result from operational decisions, or lack thereof, or from events arising within CCPÆs online virtual worlds. In this respect, it should be noted that the CompanyÆs main source of revenue is subscription fees, collected from a large number of private individuals. These individuals form a user community that is highly demanding and interactive. Damage to the CompanyÆs reputation may cause these individuals to terminate their subscriptions in large numbers. In this case, future earnings would be adversely affected. They dont care about negative publicity their advertisements for eve are all over illegal torrent sites.
Loki Farseer F9X Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:26:00 - [562] Guys.. might want to watch it. CCP's past way of dealing with "X is still better" has been to Nerf-bat the h3ll out of X. CCP has said they are making changes to carriers next This actually could get worse... or better depending.
Mkiaki Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:27:00 - [563] Originally by: Loki Farseer Guys.. might want to watch it. CCP's past way of dealing with "X is still better" has been to Nerf-bat the h3ll out of X. CCP has said they are making changes to carriers next This actually could get worse... or better depending. This guy has it.. it's allll goood
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:37:00 - [564] Edited by: Valentina Valentia on 12/11/2009 23:39:36 EVERYONE CALM DOWN!!!... DO YOU HEAR ME, CALM DOWN!!!... slaps self... ok, I am better now. Suggestion to nerf-batting... we all will just fly shuttles and freighters, everyone... nothing else, think of it - PVP would be fun as bumper-cars, Mining, would be great, the belts would be full all the time, not just at restart. Hauling would be easy, with unlimited ISK loads all the way into 0.0 with no issues... we could get around so far it wouldn't be funny in shuttles, to do vital missions for courier services and such... I SAY WE ALL GO SHUTTLE/FREIGHTER! CCP could never nerf us again! walks away from podium and pushes "trash it" on Wyvern and Fighters/Bombers* in hangar and proceeds to the bar for a cold case of wiskey, hold the ice*
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:38:00 - [565] I categorically disagree with the proposed changes that Nozh has outlined. The very fact that he has signed off on these changes, shows just how out of touch with the reality of the end-game that he has become. If CCP wishes to go the same path that SWG did to cause their customer exodus, as well as the infamous Anarchy Online 12.6 patch that caused their massive player departure, by all means, continue to show the behavior patterns and irrational decision making that this designer is imposing upon the game. As constructive and as respectful as I can, CCP needs to honestly review it's current stock of designers and reaffirm that this is the direction and the quality of work that the company wants, as well as the way that the company wants to treat its most loyal and enduring customers.
Sarah Norbulk Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:39:00 - [566] I'd lay money on the fact that CCP ignores this thread. Posts their dev blog on 'rebalancing' the non-broken S-Carriers. Then ignores the massive forum thread complaining about the dev blog and basically says FU players. We are CCP and we don't give a **** about our old players so long as there are plenty of new players coming in.
Metelus Aquila	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:45:00 - [567] I myself am not a capital pilot, but i have been in enough capital fights to know that what CCP has done to the Supercarrier is turn it into a gloified POS pounder. Anything that moves can easily tank something firing citidel torps. I was finally considering going capital with my ships as i could see that the SC's finally had purpose in the game, but in light of this i think i will stick to my sub-capital choices, they are cheaper, i get insurance cover and in groups will quite happily take out one of these so called 'upgraded' supercarriers (or a 6bil ship with a bullseye on it) CCP really need to wake up and listen to what the people with the in game knowledge and experience have to say instead of slapping us in the face like this.
Jordan Musgrat H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:48:00 - [568] They're not ignoring it, they're still deleting posts they don't like. Like alot of posts. ----------- Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0...
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:52:00 - [569] Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/11/2009 23:55:51 Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/11/2009 23:52:54 Originally by: Emily Elderburry One of the main issues is that players who already have purchased MS/Supercarriers will essentially be shafted 8-10 billion isk if the patch is released. Thems the breaks kid. Prices of items go up and down depending on game balancing. * My tech three ships took a nose dive in price once CCP meddled with the costs to produce. * My pirate BS however, Increased in price when CCP announced the boosts. * My snake implant set nosedived when CCP (guess the dev) meddled with speed. * Your MS takes a nosedive if this change goes through * Some of my large tech II rigs i was producing took a beating when they release medium and small rigs (i have many cruiser hulls with tech II large rigs in also) Thats life. Just goes to show - nobodys safe and Dont Buy what you cant afford to Get Nerfed (o)
Greg DaimYo Caldari Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire	Posted - 2009.11.12 23:52:00 - [570] Originally by: Sarah Norbulk I'd lay money on the fact that CCP ignores this thread. Posts their dev blog on 'rebalancing' the non-broken S-Carriers. Then ignores the massive forum thread complaining about the dev blog and basically says FU players. We are CCP and we don't give a **** about our old players so long as there are plenty of new players coming in. Unfortunately signed. I am a classic case of a fanboy. But this is just ... I am out of words for that one. I am signing out for the night, because I am not in the state of mind to state my thoughts on this on a neutral and constructive level. It's just sad, really. I'll get the char into the thing. Log off afterwards and prolly unsub to lurk and wait for better days in the faint hope that they are coming. G'Night guys. P.S.: Yes, this is a BAAAWWWW-Post.



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