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Quadratko
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:41:00 -
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Even w/o any other changes - the ship called as 'supercarrier' is already nature's error.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:46:00 -
[452]
Originally by: Rosur Think CCP should just make supercarriers its own ship type(ship price inbetween dread price and mothership price) which can use Fighter Bombers and cant use fighters. Motherships can use Fighter bombers but they take the place of 2 fighters. Carriers stay the same.
That won't work. It requires effort and would be an exciting addition to the game, so it really isn't an option. I know we ***** about people wanting to add ships to the game when there isn't a clear role for them, but it doesn't seem to be the case here. The only reasons this wasn't done, that I can think of, is it required effort or CCP decided that the new MS was overpowered regardless of the fact, that people wheren't whining about it.
@CCP: You might want to re-evaluate your policy of making radical and un-announced changes to publicly available and tested designs so close to release. It just negates all the previous hard work and testing you and the players have done, causes a lot of waste in time, effort and resources and creates a lot of bad will against you.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:50:00 -
[453]
ARGH IM SO MAD I JUST DROVE MY TRUCK INTO A TREE AND SPIT ON THE SIDEWALK OVER THIS!!!!!
Originally by: Iroku Mata Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Jack Sparroxx
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:53:00 -
[454]
CCP might just be looking for a way to kill supercaps in a slow and painfull way..
Get it over with and remove them from the game if that indeed is your plan. And those that have them.. give them a nice chunk of isk
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meanato
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:55:00 -
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super carriers or mom's should be a ho sh** when on the field, the dreads and the titans need to feel a cold shiver down their spines, with the 20 fighterbombers this was the case, now we have 10... 15 if you gimp fit it the feeling is not so much
i love my s/c but I feel that if this is the way its going then you wont see s/c on the field you will just see tons of titans.
if this change stay's then most people will dock them ( if we can ) insure then explode them. killing off yet another ship class i.e assault frigs to name one.
then ccp will come out next year and say " new s/c boost" you can now control 3 fighters per lvl and everyone will be like woooooo shiny. and forget about this post lol.
at the end of the day they need to change it back as they can see how much it has, well for lack of a better saying " unleashed the emo is all of us" and they can see how much this is getting to us. i hope that ccp will comment soon as this is getting a lil stupid. as this thread is getting bigger by the minuet and they seem to think that stfu is a good option, please ccp give US SOME FEED BACK thanks
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karnor hulltanker
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:01:00 -
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THANKS A LOT CCP
YOU HAVE FINALLY GIVEN ME THE MOTIVATION TO GET RID OF THIS LIFE DRAIN CALLED EVE \0/
I have worked painfully hard past few months to make billions of isk and bought
Parking Char + Mods + Slaves + (oh yes!) a Nyx
and also paid top $ (grand total of around 30 bil) for all that, just to get kicked in the crotch.
Anyways, this aint an emo-rage quit scenario, I have always thought about quitting EVE and getting back to RL (im sure like many of you) but never got around to doing it. BUT....this...this is the final nail and if it goes thru I'm sure in the end I won't regret it
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Rebnott Valeri
Scoopex
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:01:00 -
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So CCP, how are you going to reimburse current owners of a Mothership/Supercarrier?
The first ideas about reducing the costs was about 2 bil or something, not 9 bil!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:06:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Ranko So, whats the insurance value on the Nyx?
You could always look into that suggestion that was made earlier: petition to get it moved to a station for some bogus reason (wanting to insure it), then accidentally hit the recycle/refine button instead…
I'm willing to bet that you'd get more from the parts than the insurance. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:06:00 -
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if by 'drone control units are currently broken' you mean that you're buffing them to give +3 or +5 drones/fighters per level, then this is just about salvagable. It would still be a pointless and silly change and would just mean every supercarrier pilot throwing 2 or 3 DCUs on their ship, but at least we could undo the bulk of the damage this nonsense will cause.
If not you're all dumb as hell and can't even be trusted to make drawings with the orange crayons let alone responsible for design decision on a major MMO.
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Dani Leone
Gallente How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:07:00 -
[460]
Well, it's hardly unprecedented for CCP to do the dirty and pre-nerf pre-patch, but considering the actual excitement in the playerbase at the thought of moms being useful (death machines like they always should have been) and the sov changes (looked fun enough for me to even try and persuade my old ally to have a go) I am actually surprised at this turnaround.
The fact that the now removed changes had been on sisi for weeks and even lazy gets like me loaded up sisi and went and enjoyed a little play with the new toys, and it being obvious that production was ramping up on TQ and trade in MS and pilots increasing.
To then drop this in, with no actual testing, no desire for feedback, just a 'suck on this' attitude from Nozh (I'm increasingly convinced Nozh is a shared troll account who is run out whenever unpopular/******ed changes are made).
Followed up with a 'humorous' troll post from Navi telling us that our feedback is unwanted/needed/wont be listened to anyway, so please all be polite in our comments (that aren't worth reading or responding to anyway).
Just what are you really doing guys? When I see the mittani unmasked as someone who actually cares about the game and making serious posts, with pilots from all the other major and most minor alliances agreeing with him fully, I'm wondering if I've somehow slipped across a polycosmic boundary.
From a long term player, who came back from a lengthy break just a few weeks back, in anticipation of this patch, I have to ask, why on earth are you doing your level best to disappoint us?
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:07:00 -
[461]
Once upon a time, there was a MMO developer named CCP. It was a small organization, who had the incredible vision to make one of the most epic sandbox games in the world. In fact, you could say that it is the most in depth game ever created, and you'd be right. But something began to go wrong, because the senior CCP members with this vision slowly started to filter out, and the newbies began to run the company. Over time, the vision changed, and here we are today, playing a game run by a massive company for profit rather than fun. I wish we still had competent devs in charge of balancing my EvE, but maybe they're on CCP's new A project, DUST, a new console title. I can only hope that DUST turns out to be epic, and that epicness justifies giving my EvE the Bteam devs.
To be more specific CCP, you need to fire some people. Balance is not about changing things around till they work, it's not about creating new ship classes to cover your mistakes, it's about looking at each ship individually, with regard to the way the game is played, then looking forward to the future, and trying to give us a balance of stats. There was once a time when you were in contact with the people who really played this game, and balanced it based on what they said. Now that's gone. CCP and EvE are 2 separate communities now, and I don't think there's any going back. You'd have to get ingame with your dev characters and fly around talking to people or something. Ya, no chance of that.
Once, you would have fixed your existing stuff before trying to create new stuff. Now, you either leave the existing broken stuff alone in favor of new shiny stuff, or you replace the broken stuff with new shiny stuff. You need a wakeup call, and I think that this patch may be it for you. The problem is, by the time most game developers finally come around and realize that they've well and truly ****ed their game over, it's too late.
If this goes through, I'll prolly be retiring. Not because I own a mothership, but because every single patch in the past 2-3 years has been about adding new stuff to attract more players. You've not tried to keep your existing ones. Fix the game for us loyal customers, or good luck getting new people to play. It's not that this 1 nerf is the end of the game. It's the unending stream of incompetence we see from you CCP that makes us want to find something else. -----------
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: karnor hulltanker THANKS A LOT CCP
YOU HAVE FINALLY GIVEN ME THE MOTIVATION TO GET RID OF THIS LIFE DRAIN CALLED EVE \0/
I have worked painfully hard past few months to make billions of isk and bought
Parking Char + Mods + Slaves + (oh yes!) a Nyx
and also paid top $ (grand total of around 30 bil) for all that, just to get kicked in the crotch.
Anyways, this aint an emo-rage quit scenario, I have always thought about quitting EVE and getting back to RL (im sure like many of you) but never got around to doing it. BUT....this...this is the final nail and if it goes thru I'm sure in the end I won't regret it
PLease sir, may you relocate your stuff's into a contract designated to me? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:12:00 -
[463]
lol chill guys this Nozh guy is either joking or a little ******ed. Im sure its just a joke.
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Murixo
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: karnor hulltanker THANKS A LOT CCP
YOU HAVE FINALLY GIVEN ME THE MOTIVATION TO GET RID OF THIS LIFE DRAIN CALLED EVE \0/
I have worked painfully hard past few months to make billions of isk and bought
Parking Char + Mods + Slaves + (oh yes!) a Nyx
and also paid top $ (grand total of around 30 bil) for all that, just to get kicked in the crotch.
I did exactly that but with a Wyvern! What a bunch of fail changes. Also the face that Stevie and Navigator felt the need to post as they did (back on p. 10?) should be telling the devs something of the popularity of this idea.
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Adam C
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:14:00 -
[465]
Looking forward to finally being able to afford a mother-ship. -- So I can self-destruct it.
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:15:00 -
[466]
Originally by: CCP Nozh Hey,
The changes on Singularity now, are intentional. The drone control units are however broken at the moment, and are being fixed.
Intentional.
I think you missed the definition of intentional. You must be confused or something.
ûadjective 1. done with intention or on purpose; intended: an intentional insult.
You couldnt on purpose make something do 1/3 the damage for no reason when pretty much everyone agreed that it was pretty damn balanced.
Quote: Super carrier build cost, reduced by 40%. Estimated build cost around 5-6bn.
So anyone with a mothership now or in the near future. Automatically loses billions of isk. Because you say so?
Quote: What we want to create is an anti-capital ship/role, which is more effective than dreadnaughts against moving targets. They can currently reach 7200 DPS (9000 DPS on the Nyx), provided they are fitted for damage and are being supported by fellow pilots. To put this into perspective, the old motherships used to deal 2000 DPS, 2500 DPS (3125 DPS on the Nyx) with drone control units, additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost
1. You had an anti-capital ship/role. The motherships were balanced well. You just nerfed them. They certainly wont be used as anti-capital now because sov 4 invulnerability is disappearing relative to this? LAUGH. 2. Also wtf is a mothership "fitted for damage" Are you creating some new modules that bonus drone damage? 3. "additionally they've received a huge hit-point boost" . Wait 40% cheaper and how much of a hitpoint boost? Or do you speak of the previous hp boost? If that's it? HAAAAH talk about a ship that'd never be used.
Quote: The main advantages everyone seems to be overlooking is that Super carriers don't need to commit to a battle like Dreadnaughts nor do they have to be stationary while dealing damage, and of course the fact that they're immune to Electronic Warfare.
So fighter bombers are going to become assignable? Because before they were not assignable. Meaning they DID need to be commited to a battle. Immune to ewar is meaningless when dictors and hictors are so common.
Quote: By fitting drone control units, pilots are increasing their damage potential greatly while sacrificing survivability. It becomes a hard choice, but being capital ships, they should reach their maximum potential when working together as a team.
Tell me. As you have access to those magic snapshots. How many motherships have drone control units fit?
Also the factor that you just epically nerfed the number of all the other drones. That's just stupid.
As a carrier pilot who dabbles with motherships on sisi. I can assure you. These changes are terrible.
Also. In b4 warning/ban from forum for giving my opinion on the forum. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:15:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Once upon a time, there was a MMO developer named CCP. It was a small organization, who had the incredible vision to make one of the most epic sandbox games in the world. In fact, you could say that it is the most in depth game ever created, and you'd be right. But something began to go wrong, because the senior CCP members with this vision slowly started to filter out, and the newbies began to run the company. Over time, the vision changed, and here we are today, playing a game run by a massive company for profit rather than fun. I wish we still had competent devs in charge of balancing my EvE, but maybe they're on CCP's new A project, DUST, a new console title. I can only hope that DUST turns out to be epic, and that epicness justifies giving my EvE the Bteam devs.
To be more specific CCP, you need to fire some people. Balance is not about changing things around till they work, it's not about creating new ship classes to cover your mistakes, it's about looking at each ship individually, with regard to the way the game is played, then looking forward to the future, and trying to give us a balance of stats. There was once a time when you were in contact with the people who really played this game, and balanced it based on what they said. Now that's gone. CCP and EvE are 2 separate communities now, and I don't think there's any going back. You'd have to get ingame with your dev characters and fly around talking to people or something. Ya, no chance of that.
Once, you would have fixed your existing stuff before trying to create new stuff. Now, you either leave the existing broken stuff alone in favor of new shiny stuff, or you replace the broken stuff with new shiny stuff. You need a wakeup call, and I think that this patch may be it for you. The problem is, by the time most game developers finally come around and realize that they've well and truly ****ed their game over, it's too late.
If this goes through, I'll prolly be retiring. Not because I own a mothership, but because every single patch in the past 2-3 years has been about adding new stuff to attract more players. You've not tried to keep your existing ones. Fix the game for us loyal customers, or good luck getting new people to play. It's not that this 1 nerf is the end of the game. It's the unending stream of incompetence we see from you CCP that makes us want to find something else.
This is an excellent post and sums up my feelings pretty effectively.
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Peraxx
Peraxx Lottery Corp.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:17:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Sarah Norbulk
Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Once upon a time, there was a MMO developer named CCP. It was a small organization, who had the incredible vision to make one of the most epic sandbox games in the world. In fact, you could say that it is the most in depth game ever created, and you'd be right. But something began to go wrong, because the senior CCP members with this vision slowly started to filter out, and the newbies began to run the company. Over time, the vision changed, and here we are today, playing a game run by a massive company for profit rather than fun. I wish we still had competent devs in charge of balancing my EvE, but maybe they're on CCP's new A project, DUST, a new console title. I can only hope that DUST turns out to be epic, and that epicness justifies giving my EvE the Bteam devs.
To be more specific CCP, you need to fire some people. Balance is not about changing things around till they work, it's not about creating new ship classes to cover your mistakes, it's about looking at each ship individually, with regard to the way the game is played, then looking forward to the future, and trying to give us a balance of stats. There was once a time when you were in contact with the people who really played this game, and balanced it based on what they said. Now that's gone. CCP and EvE are 2 separate communities now, and I don't think there's any going back. You'd have to get ingame with your dev characters and fly around talking to people or something. Ya, no chance of that.
Once, you would have fixed your existing stuff before trying to create new stuff. Now, you either leave the existing broken stuff alone in favor of new shiny stuff, or you replace the broken stuff with new shiny stuff. You need a wakeup call, and I think that this patch may be it for you. The problem is, by the time most game developers finally come around and realize that they've well and truly ****ed their game over, it's too late.
If this goes through, I'll prolly be retiring. Not because I own a mothership, but because every single patch in the past 2-3 years has been about adding new stuff to attract more players. You've not tried to keep your existing ones. Fix the game for us loyal customers, or good luck getting new people to play. It's not that this 1 nerf is the end of the game. It's the unending stream of incompetence we see from you CCP that makes us want to find something else.
This is an excellent post and sums up my feelings pretty effectively.
Quoting this for truth.
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:18:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Jordan Musgrat Once upon a time, there was a MMO developer named CCP. It was a small organization, who had the incredible vision to make one of the most epic sandbox games in the world. In fact, you could say that it is the most in depth game ever created, and you'd be right. But something began to go wrong, because the senior CCP members with this vision slowly started to filter out, and the newbies began to run the company. Over time, the vision changed, and here we are today, playing a game run by a massive company for profit rather than fun. I wish we still had competent devs in charge of balancing my EvE, but maybe they're on CCP's new A project, DUST, a new console title. I can only hope that DUST turns out to be epic, and that epicness justifies giving my EvE the Bteam devs.
To be more specific CCP, you need to fire some people. Balance is not about changing things around till they work, it's not about creating new ship classes to cover your mistakes, it's about looking at each ship individually, with regard to the way the game is played, then looking forward to the future, and trying to give us a balance of stats. There was once a time when you were in contact with the people who really played this game, and balanced it based on what they said. Now that's gone. CCP and EvE are 2 separate communities now, and I don't think there's any going back. You'd have to get ingame with your dev characters and fly around talking to people or something. Ya, no chance of that.
Once, you would have fixed your existing stuff before trying to create new stuff. Now, you either leave the existing broken stuff alone in favor of new shiny stuff, or you replace the broken stuff with new shiny stuff. You need a wakeup call, and I think that this patch may be it for you. The problem is, by the time most game developers finally come around and realize that they've well and truly ****ed their game over, it's too late.
If this goes through, I'll prolly be retiring. Not because I own a mothership, but because every single patch in the past 2-3 years has been about adding new stuff to attract more players. You've not tried to keep your existing ones. Fix the game for us loyal customers, or good luck getting new people to play. It's not that this 1 nerf is the end of the game. It's the unending stream of incompetence we see from you CCP that makes us want to find something else.
QTF.
Not even funny CCP, you don't have any respect for your customers.
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Ragel Tropxe
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:18:00 -
[470]
paging John Smedley to this thread...paging John Smedley to this thread.
Putting aside the monumentally poor way this has been handled (are you sure Nozh isnt Smedley in disguise?) you should sit back and take a good long think about what your paying customers are telling you CCP. For the most part MS pilots have been in the game for a long time and have more than one account. These pilots know the game and have invested significant sums of real money paying to play.
Do you genuinely think an appropriate way to treat your customers is to take 10Bn or so in assets off them and leave them with an almost worthless ship??
Im actually genuinely interested whether you think this represents equitable treatment of your customer base?
I also wonder how Seleene feels now, talk about having the rug pulled from underneath you...way to motivate your staff guys.
Take 5 mins - someone find the number for Sony Interactive Entertainment and talk to them about the consequences of ignoring their customer base...or Google the NGE, it might prove illuminating.
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Sarah Norbulk
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:21:00 -
[471]
More pages without any response from CCP as to why these ships were nerfed. Keep on ignoring the problem. I'm sure if you don't look at the thread with your ****ed off customer base then they will just stop complaining. amirite?
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:22:00 -
[472]
------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet |
Lynn de'Marco
Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:26:00 -
[473]
as a long time owner of a nyx i feel for all the people who bought them after CCP told us they were getting a boost. hell t2 fitted nyx were selling for 20bil on the forums a few weeks back and today we're being told they're not even going to be worth half that.
Real low CCP.... real low.
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:27:00 -
[474]
has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
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Grekken
Caldari Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:28:00 -
[475]
Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
No because its not a good thing. ----------------------------------------------- Vader Wills It!
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
A few suspected troll alts but otherwise none. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Arcanim Al'Seif
Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:29:00 -
[477]
Originally by: Graalum has there even been a single pro-change post in this thread?
I believe I did see one or two a few pages or so ago, that mythical creature did however get trampled under the tidal-wave of hate.
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tikki
T-Wrecks Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:29:00 -
[478]
adding my name to this petition thread!
Obviously as a mom owner I'm not happy at the imminent loss my hard earned isk but also....
What exactly is the purpose of a super carrier, I just don't get the logic. Either make it a genuine offensive weapon (as it was with the fighter bombers) or make it a "super" support craft, which I would think actually makes more sense anyway. My mom and it's pilot will now serve no purpose, very sad indeed
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:32:00 -
[479]
Originally by: Ragel Tropxe (are you sure Nozh isnt Smedley in disguise?)
I've seen both Nozh and Smedley, and I'm going to guess "no" on that one…
…but maybe some kind of close cousin? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cain Negestor
Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 21:35:00 -
[480]
Sooo seeing as i wont use my Hel with these changes at all besides trophy (as i have done for....uhm since i had it), can i get the option to keep it at pre-Dominion state just to prove i actually had it from before Failminion and that i actually paid the 16 bil+?
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