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Belle Tristesse
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Posted - 2009.11.12 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Belle Tristesse on 12/11/2009 09:07:46
Hello, I am a hauler alt. I keep getting ganked because my cruel master can't be arsed to pay attention. 
I will, however, be able to fly an impel soon. How should I fit it (with minimal skill investment) in order to be not worth while as a target. I'll have about 300mil in the hold.
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DS S
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Posted - 2009.11.12 09:10:00 -
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if cargo space isnt an isue, fit the lows with nanofiber II's to get extra speed, shield extenders, anything to give extra hp.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.12 09:26:00 -
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This in hisec?
You'd be better off with 300 million in a Providence. No fitting skills needed.
As a rule, I carry up to a billion in my Charon when going through known hisec pirate havens.
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Belle Tristesse
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Posted - 2009.11.12 09:39:00 -
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This is indeed through highsec. I'm not going to train/buy a freighter though. Just not worth it for me. How much ehp do you think I need to afk comfortably?
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.11.12 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Suas on 12/11/2009 09:40:37
Depends how much room you need. If you just want EHP and the standard cargohold is enough then this would stop all but the most hardened suicide gankers - it's also stupidly slow and kinda ******ed, but oh well:
[Impel, EHPHAULERLOL]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[empty med slot]
[empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Over 100k EHP. 
Edit: You could probably get away with far less EHP as well.
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Skippermonkey
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Posted - 2009.11.12 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Skippermonkey on 12/11/2009 13:41:19
 Originally by: Suas
Edited by: it's also stupidly slow and kinda ******ed
Slow, i bet, you just covered your entire ship in 20cm of reinforced tungsten.
Expecting a war?
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Mudkest
Dark Renewal
Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Mudkest on 12/11/2009 15:11:11
Originally by: Skippermonkey
Slow, i bet, you just covered your entire ship in 20cm of reinforced tungsten.
Expecting a war?
Considering 400mm is 40cm allready, your math is a bit off ;)
try 2 meter instead
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Belle Tristesse
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:22:00 -
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This is just for hauling lp store goodies. I basically want to undock, set Jita, press the big blue A and fuhgedabadit. I also don't want to train T2 tanking on this char. Think "bare minimum".
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Noskill McCheese
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:36:00 -
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Seriously if you don't want to train to fit/fly your ship well then the best tank is not having more than 100m in the cargo.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Belle Tristesse
This is just for hauling lp store goodies. I basically want to undock, set Jita, press the big blue A and fuhgedabadit. I also don't want to train T2 tanking on this char. Think "bare minimum".
It does not matter if you fly a T1 or T2 hauler on autopilot. It does not matter what you fit it with. If you have 300mil worth of stuff in the hold and flying afk, you will get killed as soon as your cargo gets scanned.
With 300mil, you will need a freighter or Orca to make it through on autopilot alive.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Belle Tristesse
This is just for hauling lp store goodies. I basically want to undock, set Jita, press the big blue A and fuhgedabadit. I also don't want to train T2 tanking on this char. Think "bare minimum".
You will die.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.12 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 12/11/2009 16:01:19
Originally by: Suas
[Impel, EHPHAULERLOL]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[empty med slot]
[empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
For your purposes, this is the best you can do, although it will fall well short of your actual goal. You could also upgrade it with T2 trimarks for roughly 10% more EHP. Putting better modules on it will be counter-productive, because then you'll be a worth-while target even when empty. And yes, this is the "bare minimum" for even giving people pause to think…
As Abrazzar stated, your goals can only be achieved with a Freighter (making you an expensive target) or an Orca (making you an expensive and, more importantly, worthless target), at which point fitting becomes rather irrelevant.
…but all of this is just as the "bare minimums" have to include AFK — take that out of the picture and you can be made invulnerable with a very little effort.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:11:00 -
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How to AFK haul 300 million ISK worth of LP store items to Jita in safety:
1) Buy items from the LP store in question.
2) Create a courier contract to move the items to Jita, offering 15 million payment (5% of the value) in exchange for 300 million in collateral.
3) Wait until contract is completed.
If the acceptee of the contract either steals the goods or gets ganked, you still get your 300 million. If it makes it to Jita, you sell the items for 300 million and net 285 million profit.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II
Wouldn't he need to activate the DCU to make it do anything?
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Oramin
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Posted - 2009.11.12 16:38:00 -
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If you are just hauling 300 million in LP store goodies then do you really need that much space? Since they should be small expensive items, you could try making a pure passive shield tanked BC (Drake or Myrmidon). A determined crowd could still blow you up but they might not find it worthwhile for 300 million.
Yes, I realize you might not have the proper skill set on that character, but I thought I would suggest the option anyway.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gieron
Originally by: Tippia
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II
Wouldn't he need to activate the DCU to make it do anything?
Good point. I take that one back. I keep forgetting the stupid AFK requirement. 
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:07:00 -
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Given that time is not an issue, and that you don't need any more cargo space than is in the cargo hold, you simply need to fit you Impel with as much EHP as possible. That means armor plates, energized plating, and trimark rigs.
Imo you could do better than the fit posted with smart use of specialized energized plates instead of adaptive ones (maybe a regenerative membrane and use the difference in PG to use a bigger plate elsewhere?).
But if you need <500m3 and time isn't a factor, that begs the question, why not just get a BS and fit it for non-active EHP?
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.11.12 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Belle Tristesse
This is just for hauling lp store goodies. I basically want to undock, set Jita, press the big blue A and fuhgedabadit. I also don't want to train T2 tanking on this char. Think "bare minimum".
It does not matter if you fly a T1 or T2 hauler on autopilot. It does not matter what you fit it with. If you have 300mil worth of stuff in the hold and flying afk, you will get killed as soon as your cargo gets scanned.
With 300mil, you will need a freighter or Orca to make it through on autopilot alive.
You realize that even in a .5 system you only need to survive at most 30 seconds before concord arrives right? so with 100k EHP (which you can get with an impel) you need at least 3,333 DPS. Thats at least 5 or 6 gank battleships which is not your usual suicide gank operation.
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Belle Tristesse
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Posted - 2009.11.12 20:48:00 -
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Yeh, to clarify I will be kind of awake, I'll just have this client minimised. It seems to take me a while to realise where that 'blowing up' sound is coming from usually and by then its all over.
Guess I'll just max out the ehp. With the warp strength I would have thought it would be reasonably safe. It doesn't have to survive 5 BS, just the odd pie with a t1 fitted Brutix. Surprised at the passion this has brought out in some people, you're all like  and I'm like but then maybe later I'll be all like  I dunno.
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Haulerboi
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:45:00 -
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A suicide ganking Raven put out around 6000hp in a 0.5 system before getting concorded and the suicide ganker losses about 30m (just the cost of T2 fit for max gank). So if he can make more than 30m of suiciding you then you are a viable target.
Let's say that, on average loot drop is half of hold contents, that would make it 60m to break even.
To afk haul 300m worth of goods, you need enough buffer to survive 5 of these ravens, that is around 30k hp.
Now, nobody is going to suicide you just to break even unless they are bored and want to grieve you.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.11.12 23:58:00 -
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Honestly, I'd say go with a bantam or a slasher or something. An Impel on autopilot is just begging to be cargo scanned. Set up a ship that makes you look like a newbie, gets to the gate really quick, and doesn't seem a likely cargo ship, and you'll probably survive longer!
Bonus points for putting a MWD on it and putting something heavy on the F1 key to activate it.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:32:00 -
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The real question should be how many gank bs will it take to get through 100k armor and will it be profitable off 300 mil in cargo. If it is profitable then you are going to lose your impel at the jita gate eventually or probably the first time as there are always active ship scanners nosing about the afk ships looking for a nice loot pinyata to blow up.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.13 00:34:00 -
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Quote:
You realize that even in a .5 system you only need to survive at most 30 seconds before concord arrives right? so with 100k EHP (which you can get with an impel) you need at least 3,333 DPS. Thats at least 5 or 6 gank battleships which is not your usual suicide gank operation.
FYI, 30 seconds was BEFORE the suicide ganking nerf. Now it's probably about 1/3 that.
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2009.11.13 01:16:00 -
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Fly an orca with your goodies in the corp bay which cannot be scanned, and crappy minerals and mods in the regular cargo bay.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.11.13 01:29:00 -
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You are training the wrong race for afk hauling. Try Caldari.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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