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Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 08:22:00 - [91] Also can somone explain why in the heck are they still using torpedos if antimatter weapons are a non issue. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.16 09:35:00 - [92] Edited by: Schayol Sunkeeper on 16/11/2009 09:37:20 Originally by: Pottsey You have to remember Star Trek shields can take unlimited amounts of damage from certain energy types. this is where you lost your credibility bet you're one of those people that say starfleet ships are immune to turbolasers because of the name. bonus points if you actually believe they can bounce off deathstar superlaser shots
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 09:40:00 - [93] Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/11/2009 09:45:22 Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper Edited by: Schayol Sunkeeper on 16/11/2009 09:37:20 Originally by: Pottsey You have to remember Star Trek shields can take unlimited amounts of damage from certain energy types. this is where you lost your credibility bet you're one of those people that say starfleet ships are immune to turbolasers because of the name. bonus points if you actually believe they can bounce off deathstar superlaser shots Considering a single proton torpedo has a 25 isoton yeild capable of wiping out a large city and a mordern day enterprise can take 90 of them all at once and then you have to add that a 40 isoton yeild can kill a planet, 200 isoton yeild can mess over a solar system, uhm yeah It can definitly tank a Death Star Laser. And can someone still explain to me if that Antimatter weapons dont matter how come are they still using the torpedoes? Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.16 10:19:00 - [94] Originally by: Nova Fox uhm yeah It can definitly tank a Death Star Laser another one's credibility down the drain
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 10:49:00 - [95] then please figure out how much energy the rounds in eve have for the redicilous speeds they travel at. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.11.16 10:50:00 - [96] Nova Fox said ôAlso can somone explain why in the heck are they still using torpedos if antimatter weapons are a non issue.ô New ships donÆt use antimatter torpedoes but they still use torpedos. Anti matter Torpedoes are obsolete weapons. Quantum Torpedos and later on Transphasic torpedoes are used. Anti matter AKA Photon torpedoes are only used on obsolete old ships. War ships use Quantum Torpedos. Another thing you need to take into account the Enteprise is not a war ship. ItÆs a science/diplomacy vessel. The Federation war ships are far more powerful then the Enterprise. In fact if anything the mining ship in Star Trek 11 had more firepower then Eve Capital ships. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:03:00 - [97] Schayol Sunkeeper said ôthis is where you lost your credibility bet you're one of those people that say starfleet ships are immune to turbolasers because of the name. bonus points if you actually believe they can bounce off deathstar superlaser shotsö Considering they can fly into a sun cornea which is more energy then a deathstar superlaser then I donÆt see why they couldnÆt be immune to it. The fact is Star Trek shields are configured so lasers cannot hurt them. A stupid as it sounds Star Trek often has shields configured so certain damage types do zero damage. In Star Trek lasers are considering old primitive weapons that are useless. If turbolasers are just extra powerful or fast lasers then according to Star Trek lore they will not hurt the Star Trek ships with main shields down, let alone up. All that us mute anyway as Turbo lasers in Star Wars cannot hit a Star Trek ship. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôdefense shot contains enough energy to oneshot every starfleet ship in existance ( based on the vaporizing of roids in the asteroidfield in empire strikes backö Star Trek ships have done the same with the old outdated weapon systems. Enough firepower to vaporise roids is not enough to dint Star Trek shields. One Quantum Torpedo torpedoes will vaporise a whole city and all surrounding towns. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôevery single star trek ship manages to kill 10 star wars ships before going down, star wars still wins. even if they manage to kill 100, star wars has STILL enough reserves. that's not a great surprise considering that they got a whole galaxy to support the industry, whereas federation only has a few dozen systemsö The thing is Star Trek wouldnÆt lose any ships. One ship could just stay in warp and circle the Star Wars ships and pick the fleet apart 1 by 1. So we have the whole Star Trek fleet staying in warp picking off Star Wars ships. Star Wars ships cannot fight at warp speed or fire at warp speed. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Sathynos Caldari Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:32:00 - [98] Ctrl+click, mwd, approach. Eve ship bounces off, star trek ships explodes. Win. -- "Say yes to pron on Concord billboards" campaing. Eve mercenaries portal: http://www.eve-mercs.com
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:38:00 - [99] Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/11/2009 11:39:37 Last time somone explained a photon torpedo it basically boiled down to a double bubble antimatter package of the reactor's fuel tweaked with additives different that self mix in midflight and voilently release its anhilative process. Its not a blob of antimatter slamming into matter then reacting but antimatter weapon none the less. Quantum torps are not that much different cept a slighly higher theoretical yeild in which script writers books and authors cant seem to agree on as but over the 20 and less than the 30 isotonn yeild range. Also would like to note that turbolasers in starwars are actually plasma cannons. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
Schayol Sunkeeper Imperial Crusade Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.16 11:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Pottsey Considering they can fly into a sun cornea which is more energy then a deathstar superlaser then I donÆt see why they couldnÆt be immune to it. the superlaser yields far mor energy than that.The Death Star (a massive compound turbolaser) releases more energy than the Sun produces in over seven thousand years! Quote: The fact is Star Trek shields are configured so lasers cannot hurt them. A stupid as it sounds Star Trek often has shields configured so certain damage types do zero damage. ignoring the first law of thermodynamics in the process, this is *****s. if i apply X amount of energy, no matter what form or type to Y amount of shield, something happens. the energy doesn't simply decide "screw it, imma laser, not going to touch THAT shield". Quote: In Star Trek lasers are considering old primitive weapons that are useless. If turbolasers are just extra powerful or fast lasers then according to Star Trek lore they will not hurt the Star Trek ships with main shields down, let alone up. turbolasers are no lasers. they're plasma / particle casters. kinda like the defiants forward phascannons, only more powerful. again, don't judge a book on the name / casing. Quote: All that us mute anyway as Turbo lasers in Star Wars cannot hit a Star Trek ship. i know you're refering to some kind of weird warp circle strafing manouevre that is somehow unbeatable, yet never once happened in the show or movies. Quote: Schayol Sunkeeper said ôdefense shot contains enough energy to oneshot every starfleet ship in existance ( based on the vaporizing of roids in the asteroidfield in empire strikes backö nice work leaving the part out that spoke about the maximum capacity of the enterprises's shield. it has a set amount of capacity, if i throw enough of ANYTHING at it, it will break, deal with it. Quote: Star Trek ships have done the same with the old outdated weapon systems. it only happened twice in the newer series, one time they were testing a foreign weapon system ( blew a hole in the roid ), and the other they slowly melted it with a phaser, and riker said something on the lines "drains our capacitor for even one roid" Quote: Enough firepower to vaporise roids is not enough to dint Star Trek shields. yes it is, according to math. A Star Destroyer used its light trench-mounted guns to vaporize 40 metre wide asteroids in TESB with 1/15-second bursts, resulting in a lower limit of 22500 TW for light turbolaser output. Quote: One Quantum Torpedo torpedoes will vaporise a whole city and all surrounding towns. yet strangely when a few of those impact on the borg cube ( remember, no shields ) in first contact, they only seem to do minor damage. the viewer is assuming they only destroyed the ship because picard knew some weak spot. Quote: The thing is Star Trek wouldnÆt lose any ships. One ship could just stay in warp and circle the Star Wars ships and pick the fleet apart 1 by 1. again, that never happened, in neither of the shows, not one of the movies, the only thing they manage to actually do in warp was firing torpedoes, and that instantly disrupted their warp bubble and they dropped back to sub lightspeed. also you instantly assume that the inderdiction technologies of star wars doesn't do anything also if you want to fight dirty, star wars ships would just race to earth, destroy it, and would be gone before the federation even reacted. if the federation ships would be to strong to oppose, they'd just evade them with their greater FTL speed and destroy their homeworlds until they surrender. Quote:** So we have the whole Star Trek fleet staying in warp picking off Star Wars ships. Star Wars ships cannot fight at warp speed or fire at warp speed. you assume a) they can't force them back to sublight, b) stay on one spot like an idiot. c) federation ships carry enough firepower to destroy a star wars fleet in a reasonable amount of time.
Vaerk One Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2009.11.16 12:43:00 - [101] I keep seeing people state that star trek ships have a shootingrange of 2AU. But in the movies you can clearly see both ships firing eachother (and unless they are big-ass ships, that means they are within kilometres of eachother). Therefore, I say that EVE ships would win because the star trek ships must be close enough their enemey to be able to be seen in the same tvscreen. Falcon jamming Arazu pointing/dampening 10x of goonswarms titans to focus DD it
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.11.16 13:12:00 - [102] Schayol Sunkeeper said ôi know you're refering to some kind of weird warp circle strafing manouevre that is somehow unbeatable, yet never once happened in the show or movies.ö Fighting at warp speeds has happened lots of times itÆs a regular accordance with both phaser and torps. Torpedoes also have warp drives. Not sure how you can say it never happened. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôit only happened twice in the newer series, one time they were testing a foreign weapon system ( blew a hole in the roid ), and the other they slowly melted it with a phaser, and riker said something on the lines "drains our capacitor for even one roid" I assume it all depends on what the roid are made off. There have been times when they one shot asteroids. Yet other times they seem to take more. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôyet strangely when a few of those impact on the borg cube ( remember, no shields ) in first contact, they only seem to do minor damage.ö ThatÆs because they have super strong armor. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôalso if you want to fight dirty, star wars ships would just race to earth, destroy it, and would be gone before the federation even reacted. if the federation ships would be to strong to oppose, they'd just evade them with their greater FTL speed and destroy their homeworlds until they surrender.ö There is some sort of defence grid around major Federation systems to stop that. Full details are never given but we know DS9 had self replicating mine fields when they needed to stop the Dominion from invading we know there are rings of defence satellites and for some reason you cannot to warp though directly to the major federation planets. The ship from the future in the last film couldnÆt even get to Vulcan or Earth until the defence grid was disabled. One assumes that defence grid has been upgraded over the years and the film was not the only mention of it. Also as I recall Star Wars lore says you can only warp on discovered warp lanes. You are not free to warp anywhere. Correct me if I am wrong as I am not 100% sure on this. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôthe federation ships would be to strong to oppose, they'd just evade them with their greater FTL speedö Its impossible to say Star Was is faster. Star Trek is so inconsistence with speeds we cannot compare. One minute Star Trek can warp half away across the galaxy in hours. The next it takes 75years but the speed they state they are going only takes a matter of years. Star Trek speeds are just way to inconsistent to say Star Wars are faster. Things like Voyager just made no sense. The speed they go at with the distance they needed to go didnÆt match up to the 75years there kept talking about. They should have been home in no time at all by the math of warp speed and distance. On top of Star Trek inconsistency we have no idea how big or small the Star Wars galaxy is. Star Trek also has many other advantages like access to billions of telepaths. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôstay on one spot like an idiot.ö Torpedoes move at warp speed so the slow speeds star wars move at would not help. Schayol Sunkeeper said ôyou assume a) they can't force them back to sublight,ö There is nothing to suggest they can that I have seen. I really donÆt think Star War ships stands a chance against Star Trek war ships let alone the none war ships. More so if you look at the revamped Star Trek 11 which doubled the size of Federation ships and the firepower has been increased massively. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 13:24:00 - [103] which movie was 11? I stopped counting. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2009.11.16 14:56:00 - [104] Edited by: Pottsey on 16/11/2009 14:55:51 11 was the newest one with new actors playing Kirk and Spock. ItÆs a Star Trek reboot/revamp. I found it very good with far more action and faster pace than older films. The film title is just Star Trek. Even if youÆre not a Star Trek fan I would recommend watching it if you like space ship films. There is a trailer half way down this page. http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3475284/Star-Trek/Product.html ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Alfred Lichtenstein	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:09:00 - [105] Edited by: Alfred Lichtenstein on 16/11/2009 15:09:37 I think you haven't taken into account having to say "engage number one" then worf says "should we fire sir" and Picard says "make it so" then the time for commander riker to run up from the crew members room he has just being bouncing around to get to the bridge while being pushed around the ship! Eve pilot thinks about it, boom! thats assuming the enterprise knows about gate camps! To many lefties writing it so they would be all like don't fight back I don't understand why they aggro us maybe we should beam aboard, and diana troy can give the pilot a therapy session ;)(would make me less aggressive as a pilot!) Star wars Vs Star trek! Star wars! everyone knows it! The ships in trek arent built for war at all I mean look at a star destroyer Vs pretty much anything trek one person stands on the wrong bit and the engine will snap off! Plus star trek is camp always has been always will be! wars for real men! and one off special shoot from warp don't count or do as much as luke using the force!
stoicfaux	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Nova Fox Also can somone explain why in the heck are they still using torpedos if antimatter weapons are a non issue. According to the STNG technical manual (college friend's copy, not mine,) phasers are limited to the speed of light. Torpedoes were developed to allow fighting at warp speeds (aka faster than light speeds.) Imagine an Eve stealth bomber that could fire torpedoes at you while warping. That's the kind of ST uber tech Eve ships would be up against. Even if you landed a web and reduced its velocity by 99%, an ST impulse engine could still travel at 10,000 m/s, which is enough to outrun Eve interceptors. (ST impulse engines can push a ship to 1/3 the speed of light (or 1,000,000 m/s.)) Originally by: Nova Fox No the guy doing the math suggested the rate we slam shells into each other is rather unrealistic but to the point the output would rival a phaser cannon + injection of whatever that material/energy its trying to punch though I wished I can find the last post to put it up for you though. That's actually a problem. The shells "hit" with such speed that there's no point in having ammo types. Just slam a slug of nickel into a target and let kinetic energy do the rest. However, since Eve ships bounce off of objects without any kind of damage and without the crew becoming paste against the bulkheads, and since we have various ammo types (we have rounds with warheads, and not simple all metal slugs,) then it stands to reason that Eve ships are immune to kinetic damage as we know it. Kinetic damage weapons in Eve are doing something very exotic and are not simply slamming slugs into their targets. Quote: Why havent interia amplifiers been invented yet as an eletronic warfare in ST? Tractor beams. Quote: Also wtf is up with no countermeasures against the torpedos? I mean in a space time and era where you can pinpoint a phaser beam how come I have never seen it shot down? And Eve hasn't been able to design a missile launcher that can launch enough Defender missiles at once to nullify a Raven missile barrage. Quote: Also If cloaking is causing that much issues to federation scanners then its entirely possible to jam a star trek ship based on that fact alone also there have been plenty of episodes where they have lost 'sensors' which is equatable to jamming. ST has cloaks that work while firing and cloaks that can actually work while enabling you to travel through solid matter. (The Federation doesn't use the phase through solid matter cloak because Picard respects treaties (the Feds promised not to develop cloaking technology to secure peace with the Romulans... (Ergo, Picard is a total pansy.))) Quote: Another thing, why is all combat in ST under 5kms? Do they got targeting issues? maybe thier phasers can't reach that far at least ships in eve can nail each other realtivly accuratly up to 300kms. There are references to fighting at long range and at warp speeds. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Nietzsche, and PvP"
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.11.16 15:40:00 - [107] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 16/11/2009 15:42:10 In all honesty, you can't really argue tech-levels or real power numbers for Star Trek. Shields/weapons/defenses are all as powerfull as Plot needs them to be. If weapons need to be work at warp speeed then they will, even if it doesn't really make sense. Shields can take whatever damage is needed before Plot needs 'suspense' and then the ship starts taking damage (which usually involves a computer console exploding with enough force to throw a person across a room - if you find yourself in the Trek universe...stay away from computers!). Defiant for instance, arguably the most powerfull ship at the time, takes on ships much larger then it. Absorbs massive amounts of damage for it's size. WTFPWNS most ships in one or two shots. Basically one-shot killed (well two-shot) by a Breen weapon, with just enough time for the crew to evacuate. Star Trek 11 made it even worse. Transporters now work across interstellar distances, into ships at warp, and through shields. It doesn't matter what the 'official' range, power, or capabilities of Trek technology are. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Black Marsh X	Posted - 2009.11.16 19:01:00 - [108] The Culture.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2009.11.16 19:58:00 - [109] I bet you the ST universe wouldnt survive in alot of the other univereses if they didnt have thier shields. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.16 20:16:00 - [110] Originally by: Nova Fox I bet you the ST universe wouldnt survive in alot of the other univereses if they didnt have thier shields. ST wouldnt survive without their plot devices
Hczer	Posted - 2009.11.17 03:10:00 - [111] From the Halo universe: Covenant ships would snipe any ship the size of a frig or larger from 100,000 kilometres. If they fail they would just fill the enemy ships with blood thirsty giant worms, lizards, and monkeys... and (unintendedly) the occasional zombie. Or they can raise the ship's temperature until it boils. Human ships would shoot radioactive metal slugs weighting 1000s of metric tons at relativistic speeds until they can only see a shiny space doughnut exploding. If they fail they just nuke the **** out of everyone then nuke themselves, just in case. Not that I know anything of Trek ships though.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.11.17 04:16:00 - [112] bookmarked* next time someone has the balls to call me a nerd, I'm going to make them read this entire thread.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.11.17 04:17:00 - [113] The node would crash before the eve client rendered the star trek ship. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Alfred Lichtenstein	Posted - 2009.11.17 10:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia bookmarked* next time someone has the balls to call me a nerd, I'm going to make them read this entire thread. You play eve online! You read the forums! You play a girl when you are infact a hairy arsed man! (all women in eve are) I think calling you a nerd would not be a thing that required balls just simply a statement of fact! NERD!
5pinDizzy Amarr State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.11.17 14:36:00 - [115] Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Anyway, Picard can do THIS! Sorry but those breasts don't look real to me.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.11.17 15:43:00 - [116] Chuck Norris.
Soll Narana	Posted - 2009.11.17 16:10:00 - [117] Star Trek ships are nice, but the Babylon 5 Universe would rock. Take the Warlock Class Destroyer:http://efni.org/Warlock.htm TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS Class: Battlemaster Type: Heavy Destroyer Length: 1,985 meters Mass: 67 million metric tons Acceleration: 2.03 G Crew: 432 Troop:none Fighters: 32Lockheed Mitchell Aurora Starfury Other: 4 Lockheed-Coronado C27 space shuttle, and 6Kestrel atmospheric shuttles. Power/Propulsion: 6Westinghouse "Vulcan-VII" Fusion Reactors. 6Beagle-Bryant BB9J plasma engines. 2Lockheed-Mitchell M51e6 Jump engines. Weapons: 2Earthforce Arsenals Mk IV-X Heavy Particle G.O.D. cannons. 8Raytheon MI 111 Heavy Pulse Cannon turrets. 2Westinghouse-O.T.O.Melara HPM1 "Mjolnir" Heavy Plasma Mortars. 30Walther-Raytheon WRX 1028 Light Pulse particle Cannon Turrets. Defense: 16 to 22 meter armored hull CARBONAT-IV (Multi-layer composite armour), anti-neutron ablative armour. 34*Interceptor Mk. II Defense Grid Projectors with E-Web Mk.II
Grek Forto	Posted - 2009.11.17 16:29:00 - [118] But can Star Trek do this?!?!?!?
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.11.17 17:25:00 - [119] Originally by: Soll Narana MY FAKE STARSHIP WAS FITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING Also, the Andromeda would pwn them all. It even has fancy little blade looking things when its in battle mode. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2009.11.17 21:27:00 - [120]

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