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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
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Posted - 2009.11.19 18:11:00 -
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The scary part is when these idiotic non-scientific "facts" catch on. The entire (mostly ignored by the same media that helped propagate it) Omega-3 myth is a good example.
I highly recommend the book Bad Science for anyone interested in the topic of fake medicine and its treatment by the media.
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Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.
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kendo Collins
Amarr
Cymru Holdings Ltd
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:01:00 -
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Always wise to get the advice of a health care professional
Pretty sure a doctor wouldnt push me into having something that would cost the NHS millions in the future! in the uk anyhow.
Also the first group in the uk to get the vaccine are people who work in the health care profession.
Its up the the individual of course, you could trust blindly without further research on some advice on the internet or your own gp
I know who i trust
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Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.19 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Orakkus on 19/11/2009 19:30:55
Well, it seems that alot of the folks answering this are from the UK. I follow the health care issue a bit here in the US, and its truly a bit more complicated. Its true, there has always been controversy with vaccinations, especially since they are never 100% safe... no medicine is, no medical treatment is. Especially with the advent of mainstream tabloid journalism, biased journalists, profit-seeking news organizations, for-profit drug companies, irresponsible insurance organizations, as well as corrupt doctors and politicians.. its little wonder that people are scared and nervous.
Just think of all that has happened in the last year or two regarding sicknesses: Chinese Toys with illegal lead paint, heperin medicine (also from China) that was improperly made (several people died from this); food scares with Californian vegatables carrying E.Coli, multiple butchers sending out E. Coli contaminated beef; several commonly prescribed drugs like Ritalin, Prozac, children's cold medicine turning out to do either nothing or worse, causing dangerous sickness and even death. The US government's failure to get enough swine flu vaccines to people who actually need it.. while major finanical firms magically have their own supply for everyone in their company. Every aspect starting with the federal agencies down to a person's own doctor now has some form of gross corruption or gross incompetence attached to it.
With people realizing they have no one to trust in the medical field, its little wonder that people like Gary Null get so much attention. And while up until this time vaccines have been very safe.. I doubt they will be for much longer.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.19 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 19/11/2009 23:06:37
all i can say is: it is neither black nor white. experts themself are not sure and besides that there is always the money making from pharma where we know for fact of cases that are quite perverted and excuse me giving this analogy but lets just take
the bank sector here. what has been changed to date for real?
takes time. takes time. everythign takes time. and prolly yes people are gonna die and still will because there is no transparency about vacciniation.
as thus
THE QEUSTION IS ALWAYS WHO AND WHAT HIDES FROM TRANSPARENCY AND WHAT FOR?
WHO WOULD DO IT WHY?
id just say look at the insane profits.
why in gods name should health care be profit driven so much anyway ??? does it do poeple good ???? obviously no.
ps: ofc in order to answer to this you must have taken a look first at the financial side here otherwise is useless. good day.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.19 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: TRD 2371 on 19/11/2009 23:36:57
also another fun example which holds true through my whole life. i was fed well. thanks mum. other kids that werent. that eat all that junk. they are ill. they have all this little things where pharma has just the fix for you.
it is weirdo, almost outright scary.
and surprise, surprise, MEGA surprise, what is actually in it that they sell you here??
yep grows in your garden. hahahaha.
hahahashahah.
ahahahashahahahahaha.
gotta read some on bio terrorims.
anywho be it pharma or the food industrie popele are stupified on profits purpose.
its all quite the cheap reactionism.
ofc then it is luckily not all just black-white. there are also good things.
but alot really does serve zero purpose.
it is simply a fraud or lets just say peopel arr to dumb they don know **** cause fac it we already have it freely avaible, highly effective and pure made by nature herself.
anyway
that is my little experience.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar
HellJumpers Corp
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.21 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: irion felpamy on 21/11/2009 01:46:18
Originally by: Bulldug
Edited by: Bulldug on 19/11/2009 00:28:18
"No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity."
--Thomas Jefferson
Originally by: Orion Eridanus
This guy is pretty misinformed doesn't he know that the majority of the anti vax movement has given up on the thimerosal/mercury argument because its been proven false?
Trust the goverment right? The same FDA/ADA that in their infinite wisdom approve fluoride in the water supply. Anyone that approve that has zero credibility imho. Quote:
"Whether you drink fluoridated water from the tap or buy it in a bottle, you're doing the right thing for your oral health," said ADA executive director James Bramson. "Thanks to the FDA's decision, bottlers can now claim what dentists have long known--that optimally fluoridated water helps prevent tooth decay."
Oh really 
Who believe these phoney reports? Americans are to busy watching Americans idols to know how bad they have been screwed. Yes fluoride in toothpaste can help prevent tooth decay. But it's still poison (sodium fluoride has been used as rat poison) and putting it in the water supply make no sence in terms of health. Unless if it was to make people sick so the pharmaceutical companies could make more profit then it make perfect sence.
This is offtopic, but the point is that you cant trust the goverment nor pharmaceutical companies to know whats best for your health. Big buisness are running the show, not people. Earth and its inhabitants has become a glorious piece of real estate. History is all the proof you need. Research and dont watch TV.
For anyone like myself that know about natural medicines. It's pretty well known that the pharmaceutical companies dont want people to have perfect health and use natural medicine. Each year the drug companies use alot of money to lobby against use of natural medicine. You cant use patents on natural medicine which mean low profit to be made.
To the OP, check out Robert Kennedy. He make a good case against mercury.
This is just the top of the iceberg. There are literally thousands of chemicals used by the industry today that has never been safely tested on humans. It's not illegal but it's like playing russia roulette because there are no way of telling what the long term effects may be. Its very expensive to test new chemicals on humans and can take a long time.
So you want to play russia roulette with a new vaccine against a swine flu that have killed less than regular flu? Smoke and mirrors as usual
I think you should help spread the word about this one that has been overlooked for to long http://www.dhmo.org/.
Seriously forget floride!!!!!!!
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Gartil
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Posted - 2009.11.21 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gartil on 21/11/2009 01:59:02
Regardless of whether or not you believe in the "theories" about vaccines.
Facts of this specific virus are quite simple.
It's not a dangerous virus. ( lethality is less then the standard flus that are always around )
It has the potential for rather large economic impact because of the fact that's pretty contagious and noone is immune to it, cause it doesn't show up often.
( after you are infected by a virus your immune to it for quite a long time IIRC about 7 years for standard flu, it's the whole reason vaccines work )
The media needed something to take everyones mind of the economic crisis.
Someone is making damn good money selling the vaccines.
So while I don't believe the vaccine is created to kill us all. The whole thing does have a helluvalot more to do with economics then with concern for peoples health.
And over here atleast people are making a killing selling anti-bacterial soaps and cremes and whathaveyous while those do **** all against viruses. Everytime someone tells me they bought some desinfecting soap cause they don't want to get the flu. I start ROFLMAO.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.11.21 02:55:00 -
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I could hope that people who are all for vaccines will at least not allow or use government to force those who don't want it, at gun point, to take them.
After all, when it becomes OK to use government to force people to do things they don't want....well.... that comes back to bite you in the ass.
And the people you wanted to have things forced upon might win the gun fight and then it's you who will be running.
Now....
those of you who think that vaccines increase life expectancy need to do a little more research. Go to an old grave yard and you will note a lot of dates that indicate a high rate of child mortality. The advances are not in vaccines and drugs increasing life expectancy, it's in prenatal and infant care. So to use an "average" from a century ago is misleading because once the average person survived their first five years, they were well on their way to a long life. In that same grave yard you will note that those who make it into adult years live about as long as people do now.
Of course then the argument that not using vaccines brings us to the days of olde. Well, could those be the days when:
- fat people were a minority. (This is still the case in countries that are not overmedicated). I refer to obesity.
- diabetes which is argued is not related directly to obesity on most case was uncommon.
- men in their 30s didn't have the same pattern baldness as men in their 50s.
- women were not dropping dead from breast cancer.
- Anyone notice that those "backwards" nations where they don't use a lot of vaccines seem to lack fertility issues?
Thing is, vaccines to cause problems that vary from person to person. And "Big Pharma" is quite powerful in the USA. Not only do they use their money to control much of government (like getting laws passed in 2006 to make it very hard to sue them), if you watch some American television, you will note that most of the TV commercials are for medications. So any news channel or show that starts to question the status quo about medicines and vaccines will find themselves off the air from a lack of advertising.
But do you want to risk that one autoimmune response that causes you to become obese for the rest of your life?
How about that autoimmune response that blows out your pancrease so you will die without insuline within days - or more likely go blind or need your legs amputated.
How about fertility? Sure maybe you don't want kids now but you might later.
Cancer? It's never funny and if live, you live in fear of it coming back. I had a friend die of breast cancer quite horribly.
How about nervous disorders. Sure it's funny when someone else has that kind of trouble. But did you ever have CNS damage for a time, even temporarily? You are the last one laughing.
But I bring these up because you can go to any place that has flu vaccines, even the seasonal one, and get the little pamphlets that come with the vaccines, and it will say it right in the pamphlet that these risks (autoimmune response, infertility, cancer, nervous system disorders) are present.
You don't have to believe me, go see for yourself.
But if you don't want to, want to make comments about tin foil, want to snark and snipe about it and be smug, then please, go get your vaccines and see if you can get a double dose. All I know currently is that I won't take them and everybody I care about won't take them (and nobody is sick, by the way) and if faceless morons want to be sheep and march to the drug store for their shot, then I see that as stupidity getting a chance to fix itself. I can argue that not everybody that drinks and drives a car tonight will have an accident or kill somebody, but does that make it safe? Taking the risk of vaccines is as dumb as drunk driving or snorting coke. And considering the safety-addicted helicopter parenting in the US where we are inundated with laws because of "what might happen", it's odd that the standards change suddenly (from the same governments).
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:16:00 -
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it's obvious that there are a few intelligent people in this thread, and also a ton of sheep.
It's useless arguing with sheeple.
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Lt Forge
Pilots From Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:16:00 -
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I'd rather take my chances with the flu than getting implanted with a nanochip, no thank you.
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TRD 2371
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:19:00 -
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rofl just had a swine flu case here and it got shaken of in one day by the imune system - the doctor laughed :)
( he think this vaccination is quite silly )
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Emil Erlenmeyer
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Posted - 2009.11.21 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Foodpimp
They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really 
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