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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2009.11.15 16:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/11/2009 16:30:03 This may be a bit long for some of you out there (its 10 minutes, OMG!!!11) but its important. Gary Null speaks about the serious dangers of the vaccines and how there is lots of evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems so they will be dependent on different kind of drugs for the rest of their lives. These drugs are then sold at thousand of percent markup prices. Part 1 I seriously advice you to not take the swine flu vaccine or any other vaccine. But in the end its your decision. --- Originally by: Eve Forums ...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...you are going too fast, wait 5 minutes and try again...
Orion Eridanus Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.11.15 17:01:00 - [2] This guy is pretty misinformed doesn't he know that the majority of the anti vax movement has given up on the thimerosal/mercury argument because its been proven false? In addition for someone who claims to have read thousands of reports he must have chosen to ignore the one about the University of Pennsylvania getting closer and closer to narrowing down the cause of autism to genetics not thimerosal/mercury. Does he prefer we go back to the "old" ways like our ancestors who didn't have vaccines? Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
karma militia	Posted - 2009.11.15 18:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Orion Eridanus This guy is pretty misinformed doesn't he know that the majority of the anti vax movement has given up on the thimerosal/mercury argument because its been proven false? Well you have obviously never knowingly encountered disinformation, because you just described the most popular tactic. but i don't know/care about anything relating to this topic. Originally by: Corwain The human race is going extinct soon and you all ****ing deserve it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.15 18:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/11/2009 16:30:03 This may be a bit long for some of you out there (its 10 minutes, OMG!!!11) but its important. Gary Null speaks about the serious dangers of the vaccines and how there is lots of evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems so they will be dependent on different kind of drugs for the rest of their lives. These drugs are then sold at thousand of percent markup prices. Part 1 I seriously advice you to not take the swine flu vaccine or any other vaccine. But in the end its your decision. Does he quote peer-reviewed sources? Has anyone checked that his sources actually say what he says they do? Is there any independent verification of his hypothesis?
Emil Erlenmeyer	Posted - 2009.11.15 19:27:00 - [5] According to himself his PhD thesis was on caffeine ("A Study of Psychological and Physiological Effects of Caffeine on Human Health."). If you look at his own webpage it says "Ph.D. in human nutrition and public health science.", ie on caffeine as written above. In other words, this man has not studied medicine and I seriously doubt anyone without it can fully understand the workings of viral infections let alone vaccine. If he did indeed study it thoroughly, then he wouldn't have any problems getting the degree to prove it would he? I strongly suggest you don't take Jim's misinformed advice seriously. I feel I have studied enough science to see through this kind of shenanigans. He might have some points on some of the things he's blurting out but remember, in the end this man is still just a questionable expert on caffeine. Originally by: Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2009.11.15 19:29:00 - [6] I and a bunch of my friends have just gotten over the swine flu. The Americans that got it all went with fluids, bed rest and recovered in under a week. The Japanese that got it all went to the hospital, got a bucket of pills and recovered in about a week and a half. So, I don't need the vaccine! I'm now immune!
Buzz LiteBeer Minmatar The True Prospect	Posted - 2009.11.15 19:43:00 - [7] I agree with not taking flu vaccines just due to the fact of their inability to really do anything if they guess the wrong strand and some pretty well know F* ups in the past with them. 3 people in my family got the flu and swine flu shot this year. All 3 got swine flu. As did I, my wife, and at least 20 other members of my family in the local area ( they shut down the school for a week because they had an 80% attendance drop from sickness, no not exaggerated ) But the thing is, we all were fine. The 3 who got the vaccine seemed to be the worst among us, they were having serious vomiting, high fever, and respiratory issues, they all were prescribed tamaflu and after taking it for 1 day they were all better no joke. Me and my wife just went about business as usual, I went to work, she went to college, and we both just took acetaminophen (Tylenol). My daughter is less than 1 year old. She didnt even catch it with all of us having it and having no choice but to be around her. We asked our Ped what to do and he said nothing, just watch and see if she develops symptoms when she does then we'll deal with it. Swine flu hit a lot of people in the US very fast, but seems to me the only people in my family who got the vaccine, were also the sickest when they caught it.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/11/2009 16:30:03 This may be a bit long for some of you out there (its 10 minutes, OMG!!!11) but its important. Gary Null speaks about the serious dangers of the vaccines and how there is lots of evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems so they will be dependent on different kind of drugs for the rest of their lives. These drugs are then sold at thousand of percent markup prices. Part 1 I seriously advice you to not take the swine flu vaccine or any other vaccine. But in the end its your decision. all vaccines carry some sort of danger, but that's very rare, and on very isolated cases. of course that some are more dangerous than others, like the cure for the sleep disease is the equivalent of pouring battery acid on your veins (it also needs to be administrated with glass syringes, since it can corrode the more common plastic ones), but in all honesty, EVERY vaccine poses some sort of threat, specially in terms of allergic reactions, so that warning is a wee bit moot tbh. but that doesn't make it **ed up. what makes it ed up is the fact that everyone is making a ing issue out of a diferent strain of flu that just happens to be a wee bit more contagious. I mean, mortality rates are pretty much equal, if not less, than your common seasonal flu, for s' sake. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Emil Erlenmeyer	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Grimpak I mean, mortality rates are pretty much equal, if not less, than your common seasonal flu, for **s' sake. From what I've understood the difference is the age groups. Seasonal flu taked out old people, while this kills adults to a higher degree. Originally by:** Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really
Nebulous Minmatar Salvage Junkies	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:36:00 - [10] We live in a world where masses of people inject themselves with ****** and Methamphetamine, yet people bring into question the safety of Vaccines. ---------------------------------------------------

Lithalnas Amarr The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.11.15 20:46:00 - [11] I do not take the flu vaccine because of a family history of getting the flu from the flu shot. But accusations that big bad pharma are using the flu vaccine as some sort of immune system reducing plot to encourage you to use more medical drugs is kinda absurd. Good movie/novel plot yes, in the realm of possibility no. Also, go troll /b/ they appreciate this kind of stuff there. -------------
Buzz LiteBeer Minmatar The True Prospect	Posted - 2009.11.15 22:30:00 - [12] Edited by: Buzz LiteBeer on 15/11/2009 22:30:46 Injection Flu vaccines can't give you the flu, they can give you symptoms that seem flu-like. However, the vapor/inhalation version of the current swine flu vaccination is made from live flu so there is a chance.
Bulldug Starlight Enterprise RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.19 00:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Orion Eridanus This guy is pretty misinformed doesn't he know that the majority of the anti vax movement has given up on the thimerosal/mercury argument because its been proven false? Trust the goverment right? The same FDA/ADA that in their infinite wisdom approve fluoride in the water supply. Anyone that approve that has zero credibility imho. Quote: "Whether you drink fluoridated water from the tap or buy it in a bottle, you're doing the right thing for your oral health," said ADA executive director James Bramson. "Thanks to the FDA's decision, bottlers can now claim what dentists have long known--that optimally fluoridated water helps prevent tooth decay." Oh really Who believe these phoney reports? Yes fluoride in toothpaste can help prevent tooth decay. But it's still poison (sodium fluoride has been used as rat poison) and putting it in the water supply make no sence in terms of health. Unless if it was to make people sick so the pharmaceutical companies could make more profit then it make perfect sence. This is offtopic, but the point is that you cant trust the goverment nor pharmaceutical companies to know whats best for your health. Big buisness are running the show, not people. Earth and its inhabitants has become a glorious piece of real estate. History is all the proof you need. Research and dont watch TV. For anyone like myself that know about natural medicines. It's pretty well known that the pharmaceutical companies dont want people to have perfect health and use natural medicine. Each year the drug companies use alot of money to lobby against use of natural medicine. You cant use patents on natural medicine which mean low profit to be made. To the OP, check out Robert Kennedy. He make a good case against mercury. This is just the top of the iceberg. There are literally thousands of chemicals used by the industry today that has never been safely tested on humans. It's not illegal but it's like playing russia roulette because there are no way of telling what the long term effects may be. Its very expensive to test new chemicals on humans and can take a long time. So you want to play russia roulette with a new vaccine against a swine flu that have killed less than regular flu? Smoke and mirrors as usual
Arvald Caldari The Lumberjacks	Posted - 2009.11.19 00:40:00 - [14] only reason im not bothering with the vaccine, ive only been seriously sick once in my life (flu) and been around countless people with it and haven't ever gotten it again. screw you 5 minute timer
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.19 00:45:00 - [15] Jesus wept. I mean really... come on. This sort of rubbish is up there with 9/11 conspiracies. Ask yourself this. If this is true then it would require dozens of not hundreds of people to keep a lid on it. Why has nobody come forward? The kudos, fame and money would set one up for life.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.11.19 02:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Bulldug Tinfoil Lets put things into perspective. In 1900, the average life expectancy was approximately 47. Today at least in the US its closer to 80. How did we manage this? Certainly not by magic. Vaccines have helped us eliminate numerous diseases that ravaged the population prior to this century. Smallpox, polio, tetanus, yellow fever. When is the last time you heard someone coming down with smallpox? The last recorded case was 1977. Thats because everyone on earth was vaccinated which eradicated the virus. There was a small risk in taking the vaccine, but that was much better than the 1 in 3 mortality rate of smallpox. Science and drug development have taken huge steps in allowing us to live longer. People are now surviving heart attacks and strokes long enough for cancer to get them . We dont die of the things that killed us 100 years ago. I guess the question you have to ask yourself is: What do you want to die of? And if you get sick, who do you want to treat you? Personally I believe my doctors and the medicines they prescribe over a radio show host. And regarding the video in the OP. Gary Null is dumb, he isnt even a scientist with any formal training. His Ph.D is bogus, he got it from a correspondence school, which means he bought it. He says he did careful research, but has no citations to back up his claims. Besides he has a conflict of interest himself. He has a radio show, which means he makes money pitching you crazy conspiracy ideas. Whatever gets the listeners to tune in. Gary Null is dumb, OP is dumb for believing him. And im probably dumber for feeling like I have to defend science in this thread.
Horza Gelian Galactic Shipyards Inc Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.11.19 03:24:00 - [17] I'm pretty sure in the UK the doctor who propagated the 'MMR = Autism' myth, had his medical license revoked and his arse dragged through court. Because he thought there was a link. This guy wasn't a medical scientist, just a normal town GP. Generations of kids went without this vaccine, meant to help protect them from these horrific diseases, are now vulnerable. Because someone parents trusted fed them a load of misinformed crap. Originally by: Jim McGregor This may be a bit long for some of you out there (its 10 minutes, OMG!!!11) [...] I hope you feel vindicated with the replys to your post. Originally by: Jim McGregor [...] evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems [...] Unhealthy populations don't make money, and don't produce taxes. Originally by: Jim McGregor These drugs are then sold at thousand of percent markup prices. And what exactly is this based on? The required materials and manufacture? Sure the cost to produce might pale in significance to it's retail price. But what about all the RnD costs? Some of these projects run into the hundreds of millions, even billions of dollars to achieve a usable drug. And make a profit, so they can then improve current lines and open new areas of research. I'd like cheap medical treatments as much as the next person, but that isn't going to happen in a world where companies need to make profits and people need to be paid. Originally by: Jim McGregor I seriously advice you to not take the swine flu vaccine or any other vaccine. Please donate your vaccines to people less fortunate to be in a position to turn them down, who want them. Welcome to the fallout of media hype ladies and gentlemen.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.11.19 03:26:00 - [18] Wouldn't it be more efficient to put it in our food or drink? I mean then you hit the entire population, and not just the portion of it that takes vaccines. You'd think a major conspiracy would consider these types of things. Seems whenever a conspiracy comes to the question of 'How do we accomplish this?' the answer is always 'In the most complicated/inefficient way possible!'. Take UFO conspiracies for instance. All they have to say is 'Sorry, we were testing something new. Can't talk about it though.' and it's all over but instead decide to go through all the trouble of a coverup that appears to scream 'WE'RE HIDING SOMETHING!'. Veal, murder. Baby Carrots, healthy snack. Food hypocrisy at work.
Orion Eridanus Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.11.19 06:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Khemul Zula Wouldn't it be more efficient to put it in our food or drink? I mean then you hit the entire population, and not just the portion of it that takes vaccines. I take it you have never worked with any government agency ever. Yes it would be more efficient to do that, plus it makes more sense, but that's where that conspiracy would go wrong. Every government, government agency, or government backed corporation seem to lack the words efficient and sense in their dictionaries and handbooks. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Orion Eridanus Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.11.19 06:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Khemul Zula Wouldn't it be more efficient to put it in our food or drink? I mean then you hit the entire population, and not just the portion of it that takes vaccines. I take it you have never worked with any government agency ever. Yes it would be more efficient to do that, plus it makes more sense, but that's where that conspiracy would go wrong. Every government, government agency, or government backed corporation seem to lack the words efficient and sense in their dictionaries and handbooks. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.

Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2009.11.19 06:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor [...] evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems [...] Unhealthy populations don't make money, and don't produce taxes. Pharmaceutical companies dont gain anything from taxes, why on earth would they care? :P On an other note though, these claims that they are only damaging or immune systems with the vaccines to make profits off the meds we have to buy seem pretty silly. Sounds more like there's someone trying to make profits off people who actually believe in crap like this and get the flu because they dont take the vaccine.
Florio Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.11.19 08:51:00 - [22] So, some people who play eve are really frackin stupid. No to fluoridated water and vaccines? Yeh, and the world is really flat. Amazing how many idiots don't think for themselves and/or lack critical reasoning.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.19 11:44:00 - [23] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 19/11/2009 11:50:17 Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Jesus wept. I mean really... come on. This sort of rubbish is up there with 9/11 conspiracies. Ask yourself this. If this is true then it would require dozens of not hundreds of people to keep a lid on it. Why has nobody come forward? The kudos, fame and money would set one up for life. Just because governements have a hard time keeping the lid on things does not directly transfer to big companies being as non-efficient. Not that they got away with it, but how long did Big Tobacco keep their tampering with their tobacco products secret? Fake Edit: This is a sticky subject for me being in the health and wellness field. I have been tending towards "more natural" products recently and even though I am in a high risk catagory, with another surgery/hospital stay coming up, I have decided not to get any vaccines this year. Last year I got the flu and pneumonia vaccs. REAL EDIT: Not that I think that there is some inherant conspiracy to kill off certain populations, but I do think that in the rush to get cures out corners are cut. So I think that their are inherant problems in the procedures and the outcomes are negative sometimes, but I do not think their is some underground conspiracy to thin out the population. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.19 11:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Emil Erlenmeyer Originally by: Grimpak I mean, mortality rates are pretty much equal, if not less, than your common seasonal flu, for **s' sake. From what I've understood the difference is the age groups. Seasonal flu taked out old people, while this kills adults to a higher degree. the mortality rates are still pretty much equal. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
HankMurphy Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.11.19 12:04:00 - [25] I like to get all my medical advise from youtube links. People with medical degrees are overrated. ---------- Anyway, I'm sorry, but that just happens to be how I feel about it. What do you think?
Shirley Serious Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra	Posted - 2009.11.19 13:15:00 - [26] Quote: pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems so they will be dependent on different kind of drugs for the rest of their lives. People spending money on drugs aren't spending it on other products, thereby reducing the viability of other industries. Sick people are unable to work as productively as healthy people, and then have less money to spend, on either the drugs, or on other products, further reducing other industries. Making people dependent on expensive drugs for the rest of their lives means then that other sectors of the economy do poorly. This reduces the value of investments held by the pharmaceutical companies, which is shooting themselves in the foot. Makes No Damn Sense. And even if it were true, what possible reason do the pharmaceutical companies want a sick, poor population for? To buy up other industries? Why? Those are worthless because people are too sick to enjoy them. To have a subservient population? What for? They're not able to do anything? Your argument is invalid. Yes. Yes, I am.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.19 14:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Shirley Serious People spending money on drugs aren't spending it on other products, thereby reducing the viability of other industries. Sick people are unable to work as productively as healthy people, and then have less money to spend, on either the drugs, or on other products, further reducing other industries. Making people dependent on expensive drugs for the rest of their lives means then that other sectors of the economy do poorly. This reduces the value of investments held by the pharmaceutical companies, which is shooting themselves in the foot. Makes No Damn Sense. And even if it were true, what possible reason do the pharmaceutical companies want a sick, poor population for? To buy up other industries? Why? Those are worthless because people are too sick to enjoy them. To have a subservient population? What for? They're not able to do anything? Your argument is invalid. Why would Phillip Morris invest in making their customers dependant on a product that increased their customers likelihood of death, even if it caused their numerous other products to decrease in profitiablitiy because their comsumers were too sick to buy them? Why would pharmaceutical companies rush a medicine out to market before trials were "truely" complete and then drastically increase the likelihood of future class action lawsuits? Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.11.19 15:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Shirley Serious People spending money on drugs aren't spending it on other products, thereby reducing the viability of other industries. Sick people are unable to work as productively as healthy people, and then have less money to spend, on either the drugs, or on other products, further reducing other industries. Making people dependent on expensive drugs for the rest of their lives means then that other sectors of the economy do poorly. This reduces the value of investments held by the pharmaceutical companies, which is shooting themselves in the foot. Makes No Damn Sense. And even if it were true, what possible reason do the pharmaceutical companies want a sick, poor population for? To buy up other industries? Why? Those are worthless because people are too sick to enjoy them. To have a subservient population? What for? They're not able to do anything? Your argument is invalid. Why would Phillip Morris invest in making their customers dependant on a product that increased their customers likelihood of death, even if it caused their numerous other products to decrease in profitiablitiy because their comsumers were too sick to buy them? Why would pharmaceutical companies rush a medicine out to market before trials were "truely" complete and then drastically increase the likelihood of future class action lawsuits? Slade "we'll do the money now, and worry about the end of the world later." --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Emil Erlenmeyer	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Grimpak the mortality rates are still pretty much equal. Sure, but old people tend to get vaccinated more often than younger adults as is. A slightly higher risk of dying for younger adults, who usually don't get vaccinated is what makes the whole thing an issue I would say. To compare, all that fuss about the bird flu a while back was not justified at all, but this is. (the people dying from bird flu had basically been drinking raw duck blood and such ) Originally by: Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really
Thuranni Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.11.19 16:43:00 - [30] Edited by: Thuranni on 19/11/2009 16:46:20 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/11/2009 16:30:03 This may be a bit long for some of you out there (its 10 minutes, OMG!!!11) but its important. Gary Null speaks about the serious dangers of the vaccines and how there is lots of evidence that the pharmaceutical companies are using vaccines to damage peoples immune systems so they will be dependent on different kind of drugs for the rest of their lives. These drugs are then sold at thousand of percent markup prices. Part 1 I seriously advice you to not take the swine flu vaccine or any other vaccine. But in the end its your decision. **ing stop this. Vaccines are not dangerous. Vaccines save lives. No doctor will ever recommend you not taking vaccines. The man in that video is not a doctor and has absolutely zero academic credentials. You probably don't care about that though, because you probably make up some silly excuse to support your irrational delusions, like all doctors in the world being payed off by big pharma. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation, you moron. There is a serious problem with stupid newly made parents refusing to vaccinate their children from potentially life-threatening diseases such as chicken pox, and people like you are to blame for it. Really, I don't give a ** if you think that aliens are sticking probes in your butt at night, or if you think that the government did 9/11, or if you think that the Illuminati control the world. That is really your own problem. But please, for the love of god please do not spread this dangerous misinformation. Vaccines save lives, and are one of the major contributing factors to the fact that average life expectancy today is about twice of what it was a century ago. Look at this graph and then say that vaccines are useless.

Doctor Penguin Amarr Sacred Templars	Posted - 2009.11.19 18:11:00 - [31] The scary part is when these idiotic non-scientific "facts" catch on. The entire (mostly ignored by the same media that helped propagate it) Omega-3 myth is a good example. I highly recommend the book Bad Science for anyone interested in the topic of fake medicine and its treatment by the media. ________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Soundwave Get out Mindstar, or I'll punch you in the ovaries.
kendo Collins Amarr Cymru Holdings Ltd	Posted - 2009.11.19 19:01:00 - [32] Always wise to get the advice of a health care professional Pretty sure a doctor wouldnt push me into having something that would cost the NHS millions in the future! in the uk anyhow. Also the first group in the uk to get the vaccine are people who work in the health care profession. Its up the the individual of course, you could trust blindly without further research on some advice on the internet or your own gp I know who i trust
Orakkus Minmatar m3 Corp Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.11.19 19:28:00 - [33] Edited by: Orakkus on 19/11/2009 19:30:55 Well, it seems that alot of the folks answering this are from the UK. I follow the health care issue a bit here in the US, and its truly a bit more complicated. Its true, there has always been controversy with vaccinations, especially since they are never 100% safe... no medicine is, no medical treatment is. Especially with the advent of mainstream tabloid journalism, biased journalists, profit-seeking news organizations, for-profit drug companies, irresponsible insurance organizations, as well as corrupt doctors and politicians.. its little wonder that people are scared and nervous. Just think of all that has happened in the last year or two regarding sicknesses: Chinese Toys with illegal lead paint, heperin medicine (also from China) that was improperly made (several people died from this); food scares with Californian vegatables carrying E.Coli, multiple butchers sending out E. Coli contaminated beef; several commonly prescribed drugs like Ritalin, Prozac, children's cold medicine turning out to do either nothing or worse, causing dangerous sickness and even death. The US government's failure to get enough swine flu vaccines to people who actually need it.. while major finanical firms magically have their own supply for everyone in their company. Every aspect starting with the federal agencies down to a person's own doctor now has some form of gross corruption or gross incompetence attached to it. With people realizing they have no one to trust in the medical field, its little wonder that people like Gary Null get so much attention. And while up until this time vaccines have been very safe.. I doubt they will be for much longer. I only do diplomancy because I haven't found you.. yet.
TRD 2371	Posted - 2009.11.19 23:04:00 - [34] Edited by: TRD 2371 on 19/11/2009 23:06:37 all i can say is: it is neither black nor white. experts themself are not sure and besides that there is always the money making from pharma where we know for fact of cases that are quite perverted and excuse me giving this analogy but lets just take the bank sector here. what has been changed to date for real? takes time. takes time. everythign takes time. and prolly yes people are gonna die and still will because there is no transparency about vacciniation. as thus THE QEUSTION IS ALWAYS WHO AND WHAT HIDES FROM TRANSPARENCY AND WHAT FOR? WHO WOULD DO IT WHY? id just say look at the insane profits. why in gods name should health care be profit driven so much anyway ??? does it do poeple good ???? obviously no. ps: ofc in order to answer to this you must have taken a look first at the financial side here otherwise is useless. good day.
TRD 2371	Posted - 2009.11.19 23:30:00 - [35] Edited by: TRD 2371 on 19/11/2009 23:36:57 also another fun example which holds true through my whole life. i was fed well. thanks mum. other kids that werent. that eat all that junk. they are ill. they have all this little things where pharma has just the fix for you. it is weirdo, almost outright scary. and surprise, surprise, MEGA surprise, what is actually in it that they sell you here?? yep grows in your garden. hahahaha. hahahashahah. ahahahashahahahahaha. gotta read some on bio terrorims. anywho be it pharma or the food industrie popele are stupified on profits purpose. its all quite the cheap reactionism. ofc then it is luckily not all just black-white. there are also good things. but alot really does serve zero purpose. it is simply a fraud or lets just say peopel arr to dumb they don know **** cause fac it we already have it freely avaible, highly effective and pure made by nature herself. anyway that is my little experience.
irion felpamy Minmatar HellJumpers Corp Tread Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.21 01:46:00 - [36] Edited by: irion felpamy on 21/11/2009 01:46:18 Originally by: Bulldug Edited by: Bulldug on 19/11/2009 00:28:18 "No nation is permitted to live in ignorance with impunity." --Thomas Jefferson Originally by: Orion Eridanus This guy is pretty misinformed doesn't he know that the majority of the anti vax movement has given up on the thimerosal/mercury argument because its been proven false? Trust the goverment right? The same FDA/ADA that in their infinite wisdom approve fluoride in the water supply. Anyone that approve that has zero credibility imho. Quote: "Whether you drink fluoridated water from the tap or buy it in a bottle, you're doing the right thing for your oral health," said ADA executive director James Bramson. "Thanks to the FDA's decision, bottlers can now claim what dentists have long known--that optimally fluoridated water helps prevent tooth decay." Oh really Who believe these phoney reports? Americans are to busy watching Americans idols to know how bad they have been screwed. Yes fluoride in toothpaste can help prevent tooth decay. But it's still poison (sodium fluoride has been used as rat poison) and putting it in the water supply make no sence in terms of health. Unless if it was to make people sick so the pharmaceutical companies could make more profit then it make perfect sence. This is offtopic, but the point is that you cant trust the goverment nor pharmaceutical companies to know whats best for your health. Big buisness are running the show, not people. Earth and its inhabitants has become a glorious piece of real estate. History is all the proof you need. Research and dont watch TV. For anyone like myself that know about natural medicines. It's pretty well known that the pharmaceutical companies dont want people to have perfect health and use natural medicine. Each year the drug companies use alot of money to lobby against use of natural medicine. You cant use patents on natural medicine which mean low profit to be made. To the OP, check out Robert Kennedy. He make a good case against mercury. This is just the top of the iceberg. There are literally thousands of chemicals used by the industry today that has never been safely tested on humans. It's not illegal but it's like playing russia roulette because there are no way of telling what the long term effects may be. Its very expensive to test new chemicals on humans and can take a long time. So you want to play russia roulette with a new vaccine against a swine flu that have killed less than regular flu? Smoke and mirrors as usual I think you should help spread the word about this one that has been overlooked for to long http://www.dhmo.org/. Seriously forget floride!!!!!!!
Gartil	Posted - 2009.11.21 01:57:00 - [37] Edited by: Gartil on 21/11/2009 01:59:02 Regardless of whether or not you believe in the "theories" about vaccines. Facts of this specific virus are quite simple. It's not a dangerous virus. ( lethality is less then the standard flus that are always around ) It has the potential for rather large economic impact because of the fact that's pretty contagious and noone is immune to it, cause it doesn't show up often. ( after you are infected by a virus your immune to it for quite a long time IIRC about 7 years for standard flu, it's the whole reason vaccines work ) The media needed something to take everyones mind of the economic crisis. Someone is making damn good money selling the vaccines. So while I don't believe the vaccine is created to kill us all. The whole thing does have a helluvalot more to do with economics then with concern for peoples health. And over here atleast people are making a killing selling anti-bacterial soaps and cremes and whathaveyous while those do **** all against viruses. Everytime someone tells me they bought some desinfecting soap cause they don't want to get the flu. I start ROFLMAO.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.11.21 02:55:00 - [38] I could hope that people who are all for vaccines will at least not allow or use government to force those who don't want it, at gun point, to take them. After all, when it becomes OK to use government to force people to do things they don't want....well.... that comes back to bite you in the ass. And the people you wanted to have things forced upon might win the gun fight and then it's you who will be running. Now.... those of you who think that vaccines increase life expectancy need to do a little more research. Go to an old grave yard and you will note a lot of dates that indicate a high rate of child mortality. The advances are not in vaccines and drugs increasing life expectancy, it's in prenatal and infant care. So to use an "average" from a century ago is misleading because once the average person survived their first five years, they were well on their way to a long life. In that same grave yard you will note that those who make it into adult years live about as long as people do now. Of course then the argument that not using vaccines brings us to the days of olde. Well, could those be the days when: - fat people were a minority. (This is still the case in countries that are not overmedicated). I refer to obesity. - diabetes which is argued is not related directly to obesity on most case was uncommon. - men in their 30s didn't have the same pattern baldness as men in their 50s. - women were not dropping dead from breast cancer. - Anyone notice that those "backwards" nations where they don't use a lot of vaccines seem to lack fertility issues? Thing is, vaccines to cause problems that vary from person to person. And "Big Pharma" is quite powerful in the USA. Not only do they use their money to control much of government (like getting laws passed in 2006 to make it very hard to sue them), if you watch some American television, you will note that most of the TV commercials are for medications. So any news channel or show that starts to question the status quo about medicines and vaccines will find themselves off the air from a lack of advertising. But do you want to risk that one autoimmune response that causes you to become obese for the rest of your life? How about that autoimmune response that blows out your pancrease so you will die without insuline within days - or more likely go blind or need your legs amputated. How about fertility? Sure maybe you don't want kids now but you might later. Cancer? It's never funny and if live, you live in fear of it coming back. I had a friend die of breast cancer quite horribly. How about nervous disorders. Sure it's funny when someone else has that kind of trouble. But did you ever have CNS damage for a time, even temporarily? You are the last one laughing. But I bring these up because you can go to any place that has flu vaccines, even the seasonal one, and get the little pamphlets that come with the vaccines, and it will say it right in the pamphlet that these risks (autoimmune response, infertility, cancer, nervous system disorders) are present. You don't have to believe me, go see for yourself. But if you don't want to, want to make comments about tin foil, want to snark and snipe about it and be smug, then please, go get your vaccines and see if you can get a double dose. All I know currently is that I won't take them and everybody I care about won't take them (and nobody is sick, by the way) and if faceless morons want to be sheep and march to the drug store for their shot, then I see that as stupidity getting a chance to fix itself. I can argue that not everybody that drinks and drives a car tonight will have an accident or kill somebody, but does that make it safe? Taking the risk of vaccines is as dumb as drunk driving or snorting coke. And considering the safety-addicted helicopter parenting in the US where we are inundated with laws because of "what might happen", it's odd that the standards change suddenly (from the same governments).
rValdez5987 Amarr Imperial Guard.	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:16:00 - [39] it's obvious that there are a few intelligent people in this thread, and also a ton of sheep. It's useless arguing with sheeple. You can't force someone to accept the truth.
Lt Forge Pilots From Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:16:00 - [40] I'd rather take my chances with the flu than getting implanted with a nanochip, no thank you. _____________

TRD 2371	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:19:00 - [41] rofl just had a swine flu case here and it got shaken of in one day by the imune system - the doctor laughed :) ( he think this vaccination is quite silly )
Emil Erlenmeyer	Posted - 2009.11.21 11:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Foodpimp They use a coffee filter, that explains everything you need to know really


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