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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:23:00 -
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Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:29:00 -
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u know that the titan bonus is now 100% per level - not 200%
u do as much dmg as a dread now
with a 10 min dd timer
VERY STUPID CCP
And the changes to moms r just plain idiotic
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killmore
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:29:00 -
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Lets see we now nerfed damps that no one uses well done!!! We've nerfed missle boats to the point of being useless now mom's and titans, oh well I guess the 400 mom pilots that now can dock will now delete there accounts and stop paying for it guess iceland didn't need that money on the same note be sane make some decent changes and use the money to hire some people who actually have some foresight
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Krall Junior
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:32:00 -
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WTB CCP DEV with brains,
will pay plenty
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heile
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:34:00 -
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CCP needs to get some new devs the because the ones they have quite clearly have no ****ing clue on how PvP works. Well actually I may be wrong because the actual original purposed changes were good and people were saying they were so why get rid of them? Whoever came up with the original idea should stay but all the rest of you devs need to be fired. Whoever came up with the idea that docking moms with 100k effective hit points was a good idea doesn't need to be fired he needs to be shot! So thanks CCP for coming up with a load of **** changes that just promote more blob warfare.
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Jade Kitana
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Kitana on 15/11/2009 19:55:31
It seems like you have Devs who come up with some good intial ideas, and then "balancing" Devs who have changed it so much that it doesn't make any kind of sense anymore.
It looks like they will get the reverse of what what was orginally intended for this expansion.
I think they listened to much to the intial whines.
Titans should be dangerous.
Super Carriers should never be allowed to dock.
Maintaining Sov in systems should be very expensive.
It should be expensive to maintain Cyno Beacons.
It should be even more expensive to maintain Jump Bridge Arrays.
You should be able to support 100+ players in a single system at the same time, with NPC content.
If it is expensive to maintain sov systems and you have significant NPC content in each sys, you discourage Alliance sprawl. This above all, is needed the most. Otherwise, we only have what we have now. Mostly underdeveloped Sov systems and claiming space, just to deny it from others.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:01:00 -
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In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
However the changes they have made to supercarriers / titans suck **** compared to what they were at the begining of all this testing. I don't think one person complained about them at the begining..
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heile
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:06:00 -
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 Originally by: King Dave
In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
Exactly promotes more blob warfare what about the small corps in EVE who just have a couple and not many members.
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:22:00 -
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not to mention that 20 titans could be sold and used to fund the 300 man dread fleet ;p
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar citizen4561451 on 15/11/2009 20:46:19
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
So then it's the alliance's prerogative to sell their titan fleet and buy dreads for the whole alliance. CCP is giving you an OPTION on how to use your titans. If you still wanna think its a solopwnmobile, then give it a try, lemme know where your dumbass is dropping it and I'll be sure to have a fleet there to kill it.
Edit: I just think umad b/c BE cant use their titans to roam with like they do now...adapt or die, idiot
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:56:00 -
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CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Edited by: Minmatar citizen4561451 on 15/11/2009 20:46:19
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
So then it's the alliance's prerogative to sell their titan fleet and buy dreads for the whole alliance. CCP is giving you an OPTION on how to use your titans. If you still wanna think its a solopwnmobile, then give it a try, lemme know where your dumbass is dropping it and I'll be sure to have a fleet there to kill it.
Edit: I just think umad b/c BE cant use their titans to roam with like they do now...adapt or die, idiot
I do like how ur use for titans in the future is to sell them and buy more dreads lol
It proves that titans in their current state r useless
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:01:00 -
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i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
No-one whined about the changes they were bringing about at the beginning. 
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Arramis
Minmatar
ROMANIA Renegades
Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
I sustain this.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
stuff
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
I have to agree, love them or hate them, they always adapt.
Plus from what I've seen of your posts, you are pretty clueless minmatar citizen.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
He is a moron, but your example was aweful.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:02:00 -
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I agree, but what else would you use a Titan for after the patch?
Give me a good example of where it would be used properly, and being a benefit to the gang rather than hurtful because of the support fleet you need to have to use it.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:03:00 -
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Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing
Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
For titans you making the huge assumption that they r gonna b on the field - with current changes no reason for that to b the case
Mom is nothin more than a tier 2 carrier now - lost its uniqueness
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 15/11/2009 22:44:46
Originally by: SATAN
I agree, but what else would you use a Titan for after the patch?
Give me a good example of where it would be used properly, and being a benefit to the gang rather than hurtful because of the support fleet you need to have to use it.
Unlike now when people nano fit their Titans so they can warp out pronto after a DD, you will need a large support fleet in order to field a titan. Bringing a titan will have it's own advantages and disadvantages;
- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles.
- It will cause the enemy fc to make a decision to either maybe get a titan kill, or spend 10 minutes or so shooting it(Oppurtunity cost - Not killing several dreadnaughts) to see the titan warp off at 10% armor/shield.
- A disadvantage would be that if you do start to lose and your titan is tackled, you are probably going to go to extreme measures to try and save it. Normally resulting in more ships lost than necessary and the titan still dieing.
I can see Titan(s) being used in counter hot-drops and anti counter hot-drops. To give the edge in dps. They will also be awesome for pos bashing. Basically the exact same situations as a dreadnaught, but with a much higher price tag and the ability to not be stuck in siege.
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:55:00 -
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CCP Nozh has done nothing else then to f*ckupp somthing that looked REALY realy nice, to everyone..
Except him for som reason..
Just rolback all changes done in dominon the last week, and make eve a bad ass place again!
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Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing
Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
1) that is not an un - nerf, it still is a huge **** up by some douchebag who doesn't understand a thing about the game nor the mechanics
2) as Satan said, titans are useless unless you have 2000 men to kill one and 3000 to defend one. Lucky for us eve has no lag
Fire the Dev team and shoot Nozh, only viable option IMO
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lydiazy
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:22:00 -
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"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: lydiazy
"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
if you bring 10 titan's. It will make a very big difference.
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lydiazy
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: lydiazy
"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
if you bring 10 titan's. It will make a very big difference.
If you bring 10x more dreads it will make a big difference. If you bring 10x more carriers it will make a big difference. Of course it will.
The fact is that doesnt make it a good ship. For the cost and effort involved its current damage output it terrible. The same as a dread, but it kills an extra ship every 10 mins, well so could a couple of dreads.
If CCP dont want this to have a role on the battlefield, then fine, do something else with it. But for the role they have plugged it as it is just a joke.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: heile
Originally by: King Dave
In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
Exactly promotes more blob warfare what about the small corps in EVE who just have a couple and not many members.
Unfortunately, CCP doesn't help in this department.
1) On one side, we have the 0.0 sov holding alliances that benefit from blobbing, and their gamestyle is considered "endgame".
2) On the other hand, we have the smaller scale PvP entities who wants fun/challenging fights, isn't interested in spaceholding, etc.
In scenario 1, CCP tries to balance this by making sure ships 'commit' to fights, and changes like the new sov mechanics were supposed to make people spread out in systems. This is pretty much fail as we already know before it's released, since it'll be fighting on station instead of POS, i.e. similar scenario buuuut anyway.. that's the argument.
In scenario 2, CCP tries to make sure that no ship is so powerful that they can be used for soloing, i.e. oldschool lowsec moms, or AoE-DD titans, etc. At the same time this ****s up expensive/endgame ships for smaller entities.
CCP keeps talking about how they want to make sure there's less blobbing, but same time they work harder on preventing lag, which ironicly makes blobbing even more useful.. and same time the reduced usefulness for solo/small scale gangs with supercaps, makes them even stronger in blobs.
It's bloody hard to solve this mess. I'd prefer to see CCP allowing "endgame" to be more than 0.0 spaceholding and blobbing. Same time, who wants too powerful ships? I'd love my mom to be useful, while at the same time I'm not forced to live with a bunch of carebears that blob "their" space.
Supercaps won't be as good as they deserve until CCP buggers off and let us have an 'endgame' for PvPers and not just carebears.
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