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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:47:00 -
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a few points if u want more roaming gangs reinstate more high sec to 00 and low sec to 00 wormholes for starters. Add more npc 00 systems and get rolling on 00 pirate faction factional warfare ( more space and more pew pew opportunities out there will lead again to more 00)
Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Avatoin
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:19:00 -
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For some reason I had always imagined Titans not has direct combat ships but more of mobile command centers. They had enough damage to cause a hell of a beating to ships and the DD helped to defend the ship and weaking a fleet of ships that tried to attack it. Nobody in their right mind would have every dreamed of a tactic to allow for Titans to hit-and-run a fleet with a DD because of the risk of lost. Most likely you would use the Jump-Bridge to send its fleets around and it would act as a nice center logistical abilites and ship replacement (IE a ship maintaince bay capable of housing a nice amount of BSs). Moms were also suppose to fall into this category but used a fleet of fighters for defense rather than actual guns and didn't have a WIN button. However, I believe a few game mechanics not necessarily related directly to the ship itself was part of the problem for why these super-capitals weren't used as intended.
1. Its easier to have all the carriers sit on the POS bubble and send the fighters out than risk the ship. IE maybe fighters shouldn't have been controllable remotely by other fleet ships. Maybe they should have acted as super-drones could have been sent out just beyond the ships's gridview but couldn't travel the entire system or maybe they had unlimited range within the ship's grid view but still not the whole system. Maybe CCP thats how you could have prevented carriers from sitting of POS bubbles but keep their logistal capabilites.
2. Titans were capable of hit and run DDs. I would have to say why? Why should a last resort weapon not prevent the ship from running away immediately after? Maybe even if DD was capable of killing a fleet of moderately tanked BS and cripple the dreads and carriers enough to make them capable of being picked off by the ship's regular guns. and if the Titan was incapable of warping until he was able to fire again (ie the cooloff period) Titans would have to either been in the battle and be useful directly to the fight or not. Really I don't see why an 80000mil isk ship should be made to be directly in the fight. Like I said, maybe it should be keeped safe in system and act more like a mobile command center than a super-super-Battleship. What do you think?
What I'm saying is that supercaptial should be over-powered if they had to fight because they cost so much but their primary role should be more of support. Nerfing the ship because it didn't perform to you likely because isn't the solution. How about looking as to why it didn't perform to you likeing. IE maybe ships shouldn't be allowed to enter POS bubbles while in aggression? Maybe the range of a fighter should have had greater limits? Maybe the Titan shouldn't have been able to warp after DDing?
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Now at the very least I'm okay with the Titan's new DD but I'm not okay with its annoying limitations.
A. The massive fuel requirements
B. Its warp capabilites after firing. (See above problem 2 above)
C. Its long cool-off period (10 minutes for a one shot weapon? Seriously?)
D. Reasons why not to fit a DD. or maybe lack of reasons.
What I imagine with the new Titan is a super tanked ship that is sacrifcing its Fleet bonuses and some DPS to be able to pick of major treats on the opposing fleet, while its fleet is also fighting. But I also imagine a ship that would be served better in the system but not in the fight, In a Safespot providing logistical support and Fleet bonuses (being vulnerable while its doing this) but the support and bonuses would be so great that it would be of much greater use not fighting than fighter.
I also imagine half a dozen carriers and super carriers sitting at the very tip of a stargate's grid, sending in fighters for support (unable to warp without abandoing the fighters), while not providing Fleet bonuses.
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The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.16 06:26:00 -
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Crap, SATAN's ****ed. Dont plagues usually follow that? 
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:53:00 -
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Titans today ment to be tactical used weapons.
Titans ment to be used in situation where your fleet is outnumbered to turn the battle in your favor.
Ofc there are probs today with their use and some balancing needed, but thats another story.
After dominion titans will be massive mobile jump gates and there not gona be a reason to use them in an engagement.
Massive blobs will be countered ONLY with massive blobs, which blobs are created with more and more naps.
I am waiting for the day ppl gona start whining for DD AoE reimplementation :-)
Anyway with the current dominion build, I am gona pay ccp 71 euros per 6 months just to stay at a pos and bridge my alliance mates arround :-)
There is no reason to be on the battlefield unless you have 20 titans arround.
And if you have 20 titans you gona have also a massive fleet so there are no titans needed :-)
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:57:00 -
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 Originally by: lydiazy
If you bring 10x more dreads it will make a big difference. If you bring 10x more carriers it will make a big difference. Of course it will.
The fact is that doesnt make it a good ship. For the cost and effort involved its current damage output it terrible. The same as a dread, but it kills an extra ship every 10 mins, well so could a couple of dreads.
If CCP dont want this to have a role on the battlefield, then fine, do something else with it. But for the role they have plugged it as it is just a joke.
Thats a silly idea, some dread fleets have well over 100 dreads, bringing 10x that would require bringing over 1,000. 
Yes you are right that 2 dreads could do it in near similar time for a fraction of the cost. But that's 2 characters, if you are rich enough why not have 1 character do the job of 2?
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.11.16 09:03:00 -
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thank god, more capital warfare 
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.16 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Master Arrow on 16/11/2009 11:27:42
I still LOL @ the idiots who say "but you get fighterbombers".....WELL they SUCK!!! they hit dreads for half damage and hit carriers for partial damage, to hit a carrier for full damage with fighterbombers' full dps you have to target paint and web them (if not triaged), then sieged dreads and triaged carriers cant be tp'd....that leaves sc's and titans that actually get hit for full dps from them. But isnt the Mom supposed to be a "Capital Killer"...nothing mentioned about it only being a "Super Capital Killer"....To fix the fighterbombers you would need to reduce the compact citadel torpedo explosion radius to 1700 and increase the explosion velocity to 100. THEN you would have a capital killing weapon. But that doesnt matter, as soon as you launch fighterbombers the enemy support fleet will take them out and you will be F@#%ED especially since you cant launch as many now. |
Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.16 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
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Mkiaki
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
+110 internets sir.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 16/11/2009 13:53:38
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
Agreed on the Nozh hate, but the potential benefit for thousands is real iffy at this point. The change only makes sense after all, if you can bring large actual benefits out of it, instead of making just another imbalance. Screwing players for no real benefit or just to avoid the extra work involved in making another ship, is not good business.
Now the potential problems of the buffed SC just got changed in a way, that even more people get to use them and the potential harm is much greater then the harm of a few hundred powerful anti-capital ships. The huge hitpoints + E-war immunity + large reduction in price isn't going to be just a positive thing to the game and it doesn't currently seem to even be the anti-capital ship like the original design and intention was.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
bla bla bla my solo titan sucks now.
titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
im pretty sure they are still the ultimate 1v1 ship, your solo titan now cant kill a good gang? seriously whats your piont?
cry cry waa waa
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2009.11.16 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 16/11/2009 14:55:07
Satan, seriously, you need a break. The lines between your fantasy game world and the actual world are starting to blur. Not good.
The dev that are hurling actual, real word insults at just had the f'ing misfortune to post the EXPLAINATION about these changes here.
In your f'ed up fantasy world, I'm sure that makes it his fault. In the real world, individual devs don't make calls like that. In the real world there are design meetings, and design sessions, and design reviews (espeically in a Scrum run organization like CCP) before someone just plays the cowboy coder and makes changes.
In the real world, it's also not ok for a grown man to act like a child. How bout you pull your head out of your.... um... fantasy world, be half a man, and apologize?
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:02:00 -
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Quote:
titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
Titan never was a solo pwn machine.
Titan ment to be an last mean to turn the events to your favor in an outnumbered situation.
It had some balance issues whicht could easy be balanced, with a capital tackler or not warping after firing its DD weapon. But no CCP decided to change its role to a capital killer.
With the current titan implementation on sisi titans are just huge mobile jump gates (which is not the announced titan role according to selenes blog).
And btw, I am in my ship for more than 1.5 years.
My kill ratio on that ship is about 1 kill per day (maybe less).
I am and were allways depedant on my alliance mates to bring me at the position to fire or protect me if somthing goes wrong.
So never was and never gona be a solo pwn machine.
And after the dominion I am gona stay at a pos and lauph at the guys whining about how their 300 blob got outblobed by 1k ppl and theres nothing they could do :-)
PS: I am gona be in either the 300 or the 1k blob mentioned above with my alt(s), but I am gona continue to lauph and blame CCP
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NCC 1701E
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Posted - 2009.11.16 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: NCC 1701E on 16/11/2009 22:08:16
guys you can argue about the titan changes all you want but imho an 80b ship is pointless no matter hwat you do with it if you pvp with it please quit eve now if u mine with it please quit eve now if u rat with it your just plain stupid the only thing they can do to a titan is neft the cost make it 20b and give it the bonuses it has for dominion then people might use the damn things
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zeveron
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titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
Titan never was a solo pwn machine.
Doomsdaying through a cyno made them a solo pwnmobile (well one man and his alt). Can't help but laugh each time I think someone at CCP actually thought it was balanced... Or better yet than a few agreed that it was.
It tells loads about how hard they think about the potential for abuse of the content they introduce.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
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Severion Atarkos
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Posted - 2009.11.17 14:45:00 -
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CCP is not ready to launch Dominion. Unless of course their intent it so give the big FU to the playerbase that pays their salaries.
They need to kick this ****** off of the supercap project, bring back Abathur's changes and ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMER'S. There's nothing super about the new titan/mom changes and I would rather see them deleted from the damn game then get nerfed to being useless.
I've been playing this game for 6 years now and it seems like CCP just keeps getting more and more out of touch with the players.
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.17 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Julio Torres on 17/11/2009 14:48:45
The Doomsday as it is, isn't unbalanced.
Problem is CCP's knee-jerk reactions to nerfs, they are too short sighted and
doesn't look at all consequences.
Titans became a problem when CCP launched its nano nerf.
Changing all speed stats on modules/rigs to Agility, same with Skirmish skill.
And if that wasn't enough, the Agility Implant set.
Now our Titans could be used and abused with no risk.
Only losing them to freak accidents or predictability.
Bringing Titans back into line is easy.
100km Optimal Range/150km Fall Off
If you want the big bang, you will have to be up close and personal.
Module Restriction
Make Titan(Capitals in general) unaffected by speed/agility modules/rigs.
Skirmish Warfare
Change Skirmish Warfare skill back to +2% Max Speed per level
Capital Ships
Change skill Capital Ships to +5% Hitpoints per Level (Shield, Armor and Hull)
With these simple changes, using a Titan will be risky again.
And not your first option when engaging a numerical superior force.
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.11.17 15:00:00 -
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Supercaps have been fairly big failure since they were introduced. Only good feature I can think of is titan bridge and even that had some negative consequences.
I wouldnŠt miss supercaps if they were removed from database tomorrow and skills/money reimbursed to pilots...
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
Nice comeback 
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Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Needa3 on 17/11/2009 20:42:02
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
/me hands over a gun
now put it against your head and pull the trigger
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:19:00 -
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The most frustrating thing from my perspective is that the supercap changes Abathur made were pretty good. The player base spent a lot of time testing them, giving feedback, and overall we were pretty happy with the state of them on Sisi. CCP was making big changes, but doing so in an organized way, with testing, plenty of time for feedback and changes before the patch, etc. Then, out of nowhere, the changes we had all been pretty happy with are tossed out the door, right before release, and NO REASON WAS GIVEN FOR SCRAPPING THE OLD ONES! All we got was the promise of a devblog, which close to a week later has still not materialized. If the underlying faults were so large with Abathur's proposal that it forced CCP to scrap all the testing done and the promises that CCP knew the changes were big and were not going to be rushed in last minute - if they had been thought through and found that compelling, shouldn't the devblog be a mere matter of a few hours? All they should need to do is list the logical steps that forced them to make these changes and get them approved for release.
Instead, we are left with the impression that the commitment made to not rush the changes in at the last minute holds no weight with them. They seem to have arbitrarily decided to throw out the work of the testers and the changes approved by the community on a whim, and are now floundering, unable to justify to changes, so they simply clammed up. They don't appear to have thought through the ideas at all and were caught off guard by the vigorous dissent and nearly united front of the players against these capricious changes. Then they made things even worse by throwing out an even more radical and game-altering change to the supercarriers - one which they again had earlier ruled out (docking).
I'd love to be wrong, but it really looks like Nohz and whoever he may be working with don't understand the first thing about the game systems they are tampering with, and simply feel the need to "just do something". They also lack the basic respect for we the players to explain the rationale for their changes and the personal fortitude to simply admit that their ideas are bad and go back to what Abathur proposed.
As it stands now, we have titans that will never be fielded unless they are fielded in large groups (10-20+), motherships that will be performing docking games that make the moros look tame, the likelihood of invincible roaming gangs of RR motherships in the near future (3-4 months based on build cycles), and even monkeying with the changes to the nagalfar, the dread they just fixed!
The inmates are running the asylum....
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.17 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
Nice comeback
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
Probably, but then I'm not frothing at the mouth over some pixels and calling for someone's career to be put at risk am I?
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.11.18 00:13:00 -
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I'm sensing massive amounts of QQ.
Time for a certain somebody to grow up, and graduate elementary school.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.18 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
Probably, but then I'm not frothing at the mouth over some pixels and calling for someone's career to be put at risk am I?
So why are you even posting in this thread? I certainly care about these pixels. I also care about the fact that I pay ccp money every month for them to hire people that do this.
I don't see why you don't understand this?
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
show YOU where the bad man touched ME....that's a joke, right?
You're the one whining about CCP nerfing your roaming titans. get over it, tool
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Big McLarge'Huge
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:48:00 -
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You guys sure are mad at video games.
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