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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:23:00 -
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Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:29:00 -
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u know that the titan bonus is now 100% per level - not 200%
u do as much dmg as a dread now
with a 10 min dd timer
VERY STUPID CCP
And the changes to moms r just plain idiotic
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killmore
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:29:00 -
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Lets see we now nerfed damps that no one uses well done!!! We've nerfed missle boats to the point of being useless now mom's and titans, oh well I guess the 400 mom pilots that now can dock will now delete there accounts and stop paying for it guess iceland didn't need that money on the same note be sane make some decent changes and use the money to hire some people who actually have some foresight
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Krall Junior
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:32:00 -
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WTB CCP DEV with brains,
will pay plenty
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heile
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:34:00 -
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CCP needs to get some new devs the because the ones they have quite clearly have no ****ing clue on how PvP works. Well actually I may be wrong because the actual original purposed changes were good and people were saying they were so why get rid of them? Whoever came up with the original idea should stay but all the rest of you devs need to be fired. Whoever came up with the idea that docking moms with 100k effective hit points was a good idea doesn't need to be fired he needs to be shot! So thanks CCP for coming up with a load of **** changes that just promote more blob warfare.
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Jade Kitana
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Posted - 2009.11.15 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Kitana on 15/11/2009 19:55:31
It seems like you have Devs who come up with some good intial ideas, and then "balancing" Devs who have changed it so much that it doesn't make any kind of sense anymore.
It looks like they will get the reverse of what what was orginally intended for this expansion.
I think they listened to much to the intial whines.
Titans should be dangerous.
Super Carriers should never be allowed to dock.
Maintaining Sov in systems should be very expensive.
It should be expensive to maintain Cyno Beacons.
It should be even more expensive to maintain Jump Bridge Arrays.
You should be able to support 100+ players in a single system at the same time, with NPC content.
If it is expensive to maintain sov systems and you have significant NPC content in each sys, you discourage Alliance sprawl. This above all, is needed the most. Otherwise, we only have what we have now. Mostly underdeveloped Sov systems and claiming space, just to deny it from others.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:01:00 -
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In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
However the changes they have made to supercarriers / titans suck **** compared to what they were at the begining of all this testing. I don't think one person complained about them at the begining..
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heile
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:06:00 -
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 Originally by: King Dave
In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
Exactly promotes more blob warfare what about the small corps in EVE who just have a couple and not many members.
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:22:00 -
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not to mention that 20 titans could be sold and used to fund the 300 man dread fleet ;p
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Minmatar citizen4561451 on 15/11/2009 20:46:19
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
So then it's the alliance's prerogative to sell their titan fleet and buy dreads for the whole alliance. CCP is giving you an OPTION on how to use your titans. If you still wanna think its a solopwnmobile, then give it a try, lemme know where your dumbass is dropping it and I'll be sure to have a fleet there to kill it.
Edit: I just think umad b/c BE cant use their titans to roam with like they do now...adapt or die, idiot
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:56:00 -
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CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Edited by: Minmatar citizen4561451 on 15/11/2009 20:46:19
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
your scenario depicts the current situation on TQ. Where an unsupported solo titan would do something this dumb. Post-patch, there isnt a titan pilot in the GAME that would cyno his titan into a fight alone. You're an idiot, stop posting.
Oh we have a winner, please tell us Mr.Anonymous alt how do you in vision Titans being used after the patch? Let me guess it involves bringing 20 of them with a 300 man support fleet? So why would you need the titans in the first place if you can just put your support fleet into dreads.
So then it's the alliance's prerogative to sell their titan fleet and buy dreads for the whole alliance. CCP is giving you an OPTION on how to use your titans. If you still wanna think its a solopwnmobile, then give it a try, lemme know where your dumbass is dropping it and I'll be sure to have a fleet there to kill it.
Edit: I just think umad b/c BE cant use their titans to roam with like they do now...adapt or die, idiot
I do like how ur use for titans in the future is to sell them and buy more dreads lol
It proves that titans in their current state r useless
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:01:00 -
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i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
No-one whined about the changes they were bringing about at the beginning. 
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Arramis
Minmatar
ROMANIA Renegades
Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
I sustain this.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
stuff
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
I have to agree, love them or hate them, they always adapt.
Plus from what I've seen of your posts, you are pretty clueless minmatar citizen.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
He is a moron, but your example was aweful.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:02:00 -
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I agree, but what else would you use a Titan for after the patch?
Give me a good example of where it would be used properly, and being a benefit to the gang rather than hurtful because of the support fleet you need to have to use it.
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Kanatta Jing
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:03:00 -
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Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
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Miner Bob
Gods Of Wrath
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing
Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
For titans you making the huge assumption that they r gonna b on the field - with current changes no reason for that to b the case
Mom is nothin more than a tier 2 carrier now - lost its uniqueness
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 15/11/2009 22:44:46
Originally by: SATAN
I agree, but what else would you use a Titan for after the patch?
Give me a good example of where it would be used properly, and being a benefit to the gang rather than hurtful because of the support fleet you need to have to use it.
Unlike now when people nano fit their Titans so they can warp out pronto after a DD, you will need a large support fleet in order to field a titan. Bringing a titan will have it's own advantages and disadvantages;
- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles.
- It will cause the enemy fc to make a decision to either maybe get a titan kill, or spend 10 minutes or so shooting it(Oppurtunity cost - Not killing several dreadnaughts) to see the titan warp off at 10% armor/shield.
- A disadvantage would be that if you do start to lose and your titan is tackled, you are probably going to go to extreme measures to try and save it. Normally resulting in more ships lost than necessary and the titan still dieing.
I can see Titan(s) being used in counter hot-drops and anti counter hot-drops. To give the edge in dps. They will also be awesome for pos bashing. Basically the exact same situations as a dreadnaught, but with a much higher price tag and the ability to not be stuck in siege.
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:55:00 -
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CCP Nozh has done nothing else then to f*ckupp somthing that looked REALY realy nice, to everyone..
Except him for som reason..
Just rolback all changes done in dominon the last week, and make eve a bad ass place again!
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Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.15 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kanatta Jing
Well they kinda un-nerfed the MOM, 5 less drones but Fighter Bombers, 1/2 price, more tank and docking.
I think the Biggest advantage Titans give now... Is that they might not be primaried before Dreads in a few months.
1) that is not an un - nerf, it still is a huge **** up by some douchebag who doesn't understand a thing about the game nor the mechanics
2) as Satan said, titans are useless unless you have 2000 men to kill one and 3000 to defend one. Lucky for us eve has no lag
Fire the Dev team and shoot Nozh, only viable option IMO
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lydiazy
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:22:00 -
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"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: lydiazy
"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
if you bring 10 titan's. It will make a very big difference.
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lydiazy
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: lydiazy
"- The obvious advantage to bringing a titan post patch will be alot more dps insta-pop capitals and alot from the turrets/missiles."
You must be talking about a different ship there, the titan I saw on Sisi does s**t dps with turrets/missiles.
Well when I say s**t, I mean the same as a 1.5 bill dread but for an 80bill ship I think thats bad.
Yeah it may pop a cap every 10 mins, but i dont think thats gonna make any difference whatsoever in a large cap fight.
if you bring 10 titan's. It will make a very big difference.
If you bring 10x more dreads it will make a big difference. If you bring 10x more carriers it will make a big difference. Of course it will.
The fact is that doesnt make it a good ship. For the cost and effort involved its current damage output it terrible. The same as a dread, but it kills an extra ship every 10 mins, well so could a couple of dreads.
If CCP dont want this to have a role on the battlefield, then fine, do something else with it. But for the role they have plugged it as it is just a joke.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: heile
Originally by: King Dave
In all honesty, the example you have used is shocking. Rarely will a titan be used solo anymore as their DD doesn't do AOE damage.
Exactly promotes more blob warfare what about the small corps in EVE who just have a couple and not many members.
Unfortunately, CCP doesn't help in this department.
1) On one side, we have the 0.0 sov holding alliances that benefit from blobbing, and their gamestyle is considered "endgame".
2) On the other hand, we have the smaller scale PvP entities who wants fun/challenging fights, isn't interested in spaceholding, etc.
In scenario 1, CCP tries to balance this by making sure ships 'commit' to fights, and changes like the new sov mechanics were supposed to make people spread out in systems. This is pretty much fail as we already know before it's released, since it'll be fighting on station instead of POS, i.e. similar scenario buuuut anyway.. that's the argument.
In scenario 2, CCP tries to make sure that no ship is so powerful that they can be used for soloing, i.e. oldschool lowsec moms, or AoE-DD titans, etc. At the same time this ****s up expensive/endgame ships for smaller entities.
CCP keeps talking about how they want to make sure there's less blobbing, but same time they work harder on preventing lag, which ironicly makes blobbing even more useful.. and same time the reduced usefulness for solo/small scale gangs with supercaps, makes them even stronger in blobs.
It's bloody hard to solve this mess. I'd prefer to see CCP allowing "endgame" to be more than 0.0 spaceholding and blobbing. Same time, who wants too powerful ships? I'd love my mom to be useful, while at the same time I'm not forced to live with a bunch of carebears that blob "their" space.
Supercaps won't be as good as they deserve until CCP buggers off and let us have an 'endgame' for PvPers and not just carebears.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:47:00 -
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a few points if u want more roaming gangs reinstate more high sec to 00 and low sec to 00 wormholes for starters. Add more npc 00 systems and get rolling on 00 pirate faction factional warfare ( more space and more pew pew opportunities out there will lead again to more 00)
Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
Avatoin
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:19:00 -
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For some reason I had always imagined Titans not has direct combat ships but more of mobile command centers. They had enough damage to cause a hell of a beating to ships and the DD helped to defend the ship and weaking a fleet of ships that tried to attack it. Nobody in their right mind would have every dreamed of a tactic to allow for Titans to hit-and-run a fleet with a DD because of the risk of lost. Most likely you would use the Jump-Bridge to send its fleets around and it would act as a nice center logistical abilites and ship replacement (IE a ship maintaince bay capable of housing a nice amount of BSs). Moms were also suppose to fall into this category but used a fleet of fighters for defense rather than actual guns and didn't have a WIN button. However, I believe a few game mechanics not necessarily related directly to the ship itself was part of the problem for why these super-capitals weren't used as intended.
1. Its easier to have all the carriers sit on the POS bubble and send the fighters out than risk the ship. IE maybe fighters shouldn't have been controllable remotely by other fleet ships. Maybe they should have acted as super-drones could have been sent out just beyond the ships's gridview but couldn't travel the entire system or maybe they had unlimited range within the ship's grid view but still not the whole system. Maybe CCP thats how you could have prevented carriers from sitting of POS bubbles but keep their logistal capabilites.
2. Titans were capable of hit and run DDs. I would have to say why? Why should a last resort weapon not prevent the ship from running away immediately after? Maybe even if DD was capable of killing a fleet of moderately tanked BS and cripple the dreads and carriers enough to make them capable of being picked off by the ship's regular guns. and if the Titan was incapable of warping until he was able to fire again (ie the cooloff period) Titans would have to either been in the battle and be useful directly to the fight or not. Really I don't see why an 80000mil isk ship should be made to be directly in the fight. Like I said, maybe it should be keeped safe in system and act more like a mobile command center than a super-super-Battleship. What do you think?
What I'm saying is that supercaptial should be over-powered if they had to fight because they cost so much but their primary role should be more of support. Nerfing the ship because it didn't perform to you likely because isn't the solution. How about looking as to why it didn't perform to you likeing. IE maybe ships shouldn't be allowed to enter POS bubbles while in aggression? Maybe the range of a fighter should have had greater limits? Maybe the Titan shouldn't have been able to warp after DDing?
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Now at the very least I'm okay with the Titan's new DD but I'm not okay with its annoying limitations.
A. The massive fuel requirements
B. Its warp capabilites after firing. (See above problem 2 above)
C. Its long cool-off period (10 minutes for a one shot weapon? Seriously?)
D. Reasons why not to fit a DD. or maybe lack of reasons.
What I imagine with the new Titan is a super tanked ship that is sacrifcing its Fleet bonuses and some DPS to be able to pick of major treats on the opposing fleet, while its fleet is also fighting. But I also imagine a ship that would be served better in the system but not in the fight, In a Safespot providing logistical support and Fleet bonuses (being vulnerable while its doing this) but the support and bonuses would be so great that it would be of much greater use not fighting than fighter.
I also imagine half a dozen carriers and super carriers sitting at the very tip of a stargate's grid, sending in fighters for support (unable to warp without abandoing the fighters), while not providing Fleet bonuses.
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The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.16 06:26:00 -
[33]
Crap, SATAN's ****ed. Dont plagues usually follow that? 
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:53:00 -
[34]
Titans today ment to be tactical used weapons.
Titans ment to be used in situation where your fleet is outnumbered to turn the battle in your favor.
Ofc there are probs today with their use and some balancing needed, but thats another story.
After dominion titans will be massive mobile jump gates and there not gona be a reason to use them in an engagement.
Massive blobs will be countered ONLY with massive blobs, which blobs are created with more and more naps.
I am waiting for the day ppl gona start whining for DD AoE reimplementation :-)
Anyway with the current dominion build, I am gona pay ccp 71 euros per 6 months just to stay at a pos and bridge my alliance mates arround :-)
There is no reason to be on the battlefield unless you have 20 titans arround.
And if you have 20 titans you gona have also a massive fleet so there are no titans needed :-)
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:57:00 -
[35]
Originally by: lydiazy
If you bring 10x more dreads it will make a big difference. If you bring 10x more carriers it will make a big difference. Of course it will.
The fact is that doesnt make it a good ship. For the cost and effort involved its current damage output it terrible. The same as a dread, but it kills an extra ship every 10 mins, well so could a couple of dreads.
If CCP dont want this to have a role on the battlefield, then fine, do something else with it. But for the role they have plugged it as it is just a joke.
Thats a silly idea, some dread fleets have well over 100 dreads, bringing 10x that would require bringing over 1,000.
Yes you are right that 2 dreads could do it in near similar time for a fraction of the cost. But that's 2 characters, if you are rich enough why not have 1 character do the job of 2?
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.11.16 09:03:00 -
[36]
thank god, more capital warfare 
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.16 11:27:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Master Arrow on 16/11/2009 11:27:42
I still LOL @ the idiots who say "but you get fighterbombers".....WELL they SUCK!!! they hit dreads for half damage and hit carriers for partial damage, to hit a carrier for full damage with fighterbombers' full dps you have to target paint and web them (if not triaged), then sieged dreads and triaged carriers cant be tp'd....that leaves sc's and titans that actually get hit for full dps from them. But isnt the Mom supposed to be a "Capital Killer"...nothing mentioned about it only being a "Super Capital Killer"....To fix the fighterbombers you would need to reduce the compact citadel torpedo explosion radius to 1700 and increase the explosion velocity to 100. THEN you would have a capital killing weapon. But that doesnt matter, as soon as you launch fighterbombers the enemy support fleet will take them out and you will be F@#%ED especially since you cant launch as many now. |
Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.16 12:39:00 -
[38]
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
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Mkiaki
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:29:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
+110 internets sir.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:52:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 16/11/2009 13:53:38
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
Agreed on the Nozh hate, but the potential benefit for thousands is real iffy at this point. The change only makes sense after all, if you can bring large actual benefits out of it, instead of making just another imbalance. Screwing players for no real benefit or just to avoid the extra work involved in making another ship, is not good business.
Now the potential problems of the buffed SC just got changed in a way, that even more people get to use them and the potential harm is much greater then the harm of a few hundred powerful anti-capital ships. The huge hitpoints + E-war immunity + large reduction in price isn't going to be just a positive thing to the game and it doesn't currently seem to even be the anti-capital ship like the original design and intention was.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2009.11.16 13:55:00 -
[41]
Originally by: SATAN
Now that you have managed to convince 1/2 the dimwits in this game that your changes to the Moms are actually good, how about looking at the Titans.
You do realize that you have now made them pointless right?
You cant possibly think that an 80bil isk ship that does the same DPS as a dread is good do you?
Here let me explain it to you in terms that even you may be able to understand(although I am having my doubts about your reading abilities).
1)Titan jumps in to hostile gang to shoot its load.
2)One poor sucker dies in his insured ship that he probably just lost 200-300mil on.
3)Titan gets tackled
4)Titan starts using its capital guns to try and kill other targets, lets hope that they are all capitals cause with the tracking penalty they are not hitting anything but a carrier/Dread/Mom/or another Titan. God forbid there is a heavy dictor on you cause guess what you are FU**ED.
5)Your massive 8k dps with your normal guns is TANKED by any capital on field with remote reps, or a dread in siege.
So even if you manage to bring a blob to rescue your sorry a**, why would you even bother to jump in the father of all combat ships if your only return is to kill 1 ship?
But on the other hand if you dont have a blob that follows you around, then you are just dead cause even if you do manage to warp off, you CANT cloak, you cant jump out, and you cant exactly be nimble to hop safe spots.
If you really dont like Titans or Moms so much why not just delete them from the game and stop being such a clueless A hole to the Eve community that pays YOUR salary, and keeps your sorry company in business.
Have a nice day.
bla bla bla my solo titan sucks now.
titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
im pretty sure they are still the ultimate 1v1 ship, your solo titan now cant kill a good gang? seriously whats your piont?
cry cry waa waa
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2009.11.16 14:47:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 16/11/2009 14:55:07
Satan, seriously, you need a break. The lines between your fantasy game world and the actual world are starting to blur. Not good.
The dev that are hurling actual, real word insults at just had the f'ing misfortune to post the EXPLAINATION about these changes here.
In your f'ed up fantasy world, I'm sure that makes it his fault. In the real world, individual devs don't make calls like that. In the real world there are design meetings, and design sessions, and design reviews (espeically in a Scrum run organization like CCP) before someone just plays the cowboy coder and makes changes.
In the real world, it's also not ok for a grown man to act like a child. How bout you pull your head out of your.... um... fantasy world, be half a man, and apologize?
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 15:02:00 -
[43]
Quote:
titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
Titan never was a solo pwn machine.
Titan ment to be an last mean to turn the events to your favor in an outnumbered situation.
It had some balance issues whicht could easy be balanced, with a capital tackler or not warping after firing its DD weapon. But no CCP decided to change its role to a capital killer.
With the current titan implementation on sisi titans are just huge mobile jump gates (which is not the announced titan role according to selenes blog).
And btw, I am in my ship for more than 1.5 years.
My kill ratio on that ship is about 1 kill per day (maybe less).
I am and were allways depedant on my alliance mates to bring me at the position to fire or protect me if somthing goes wrong.
So never was and never gona be a solo pwn machine.
And after the dominion I am gona stay at a pos and lauph at the guys whining about how their 300 blob got outblobed by 1k ppl and theres nothing they could do :-)
PS: I am gona be in either the 300 or the 1k blob mentioned above with my alt(s), but I am gona continue to lauph and blame CCP
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NCC 1701E
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Posted - 2009.11.16 22:07:00 -
[44]
Edited by: NCC 1701E on 16/11/2009 22:08:16
guys you can argue about the titan changes all you want but imho an 80b ship is pointless no matter hwat you do with it if you pvp with it please quit eve now if u mine with it please quit eve now if u rat with it your just plain stupid the only thing they can do to a titan is neft the cost make it 20b and give it the bonuses it has for dominion then people might use the damn things
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.16 23:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
CCP Nozh needs to be fired/ replaced.
Because he did this all on his own? I mean, it's not as if he isn't just a spokesman for the development team that are making these changes.
All these calls for resignations show how little you know about the real world, real business and software development. I would stick to playing video games if I were you.
And before the 'wah! CCP losing subs if our pwnmobiles are changed' calls come in, a few changes which upset a few hundred and potentially benefit thousands of players sounds like very good business sense to me.
Still whatever, go find something else to play.
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 12:42:00 -
[46]
Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:13:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Zeveron
Quote:
titans are ment to bridge in a gang for support perhaps with SC's for dmg backup, they are not 80Bil solo ships.
Titan never was a solo pwn machine.
Doomsdaying through a cyno made them a solo pwnmobile (well one man and his alt). Can't help but laugh each time I think someone at CCP actually thought it was balanced... Or better yet than a few agreed that it was.
It tells loads about how hard they think about the potential for abuse of the content they introduce.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:37:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
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Severion Atarkos
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Posted - 2009.11.17 14:45:00 -
[49]
CCP is not ready to launch Dominion. Unless of course their intent it so give the big FU to the playerbase that pays their salaries.
They need to kick this ****** off of the supercap project, bring back Abathur's changes and ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THEIR CUSTOMER'S. There's nothing super about the new titan/mom changes and I would rather see them deleted from the damn game then get nerfed to being useless.
I've been playing this game for 6 years now and it seems like CCP just keeps getting more and more out of touch with the players.
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.17 14:48:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Julio Torres on 17/11/2009 14:48:45
The Doomsday as it is, isn't unbalanced.
Problem is CCP's knee-jerk reactions to nerfs, they are too short sighted and
doesn't look at all consequences.
Titans became a problem when CCP launched its nano nerf.
Changing all speed stats on modules/rigs to Agility, same with Skirmish skill.
And if that wasn't enough, the Agility Implant set.
Now our Titans could be used and abused with no risk.
Only losing them to freak accidents or predictability.
Bringing Titans back into line is easy.
100km Optimal Range/150km Fall Off
If you want the big bang, you will have to be up close and personal.
Module Restriction
Make Titan(Capitals in general) unaffected by speed/agility modules/rigs.
Skirmish Warfare
Change Skirmish Warfare skill back to +2% Max Speed per level
Capital Ships
Change skill Capital Ships to +5% Hitpoints per Level (Shield, Armor and Hull)
With these simple changes, using a Titan will be risky again.
And not your first option when engaging a numerical superior force.
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.11.17 15:00:00 -
[51]
Supercaps have been fairly big failure since they were introduced. Only good feature I can think of is titan bridge and even that had some negative consequences.
I wouldnŠt miss supercaps if they were removed from database tomorrow and skills/money reimbursed to pilots...
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:25:00 -
[52]
Originally by: King Dave
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
Nice comeback 
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Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2009.11.17 20:41:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Needa3 on 17/11/2009 20:42:02
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
Nozh alt spotted. You are an absolute moronic, brain-dead idiot if you don't understand why these changes are bad.
Lol, it's not about the changes, fool, it's about your ridiculous calls for staff dismissal and your inflated sense of self importance that actually makes you believe anyone cares about your opinion.
The solution isn't hard really; find another game to play.
/me hands over a gun
now put it against your head and pull the trigger
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
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Posted - 2009.11.17 21:19:00 -
[54]
The most frustrating thing from my perspective is that the supercap changes Abathur made were pretty good. The player base spent a lot of time testing them, giving feedback, and overall we were pretty happy with the state of them on Sisi. CCP was making big changes, but doing so in an organized way, with testing, plenty of time for feedback and changes before the patch, etc. Then, out of nowhere, the changes we had all been pretty happy with are tossed out the door, right before release, and NO REASON WAS GIVEN FOR SCRAPPING THE OLD ONES! All we got was the promise of a devblog, which close to a week later has still not materialized. If the underlying faults were so large with Abathur's proposal that it forced CCP to scrap all the testing done and the promises that CCP knew the changes were big and were not going to be rushed in last minute - if they had been thought through and found that compelling, shouldn't the devblog be a mere matter of a few hours? All they should need to do is list the logical steps that forced them to make these changes and get them approved for release.
Instead, we are left with the impression that the commitment made to not rush the changes in at the last minute holds no weight with them. They seem to have arbitrarily decided to throw out the work of the testers and the changes approved by the community on a whim, and are now floundering, unable to justify to changes, so they simply clammed up. They don't appear to have thought through the ideas at all and were caught off guard by the vigorous dissent and nearly united front of the players against these capricious changes. Then they made things even worse by throwing out an even more radical and game-altering change to the supercarriers - one which they again had earlier ruled out (docking).
I'd love to be wrong, but it really looks like Nohz and whoever he may be working with don't understand the first thing about the game systems they are tampering with, and simply feel the need to "just do something". They also lack the basic respect for we the players to explain the rationale for their changes and the personal fortitude to simply admit that their ideas are bad and go back to what Abathur proposed.
As it stands now, we have titans that will never be fielded unless they are fielded in large groups (10-20+), motherships that will be performing docking games that make the moros look tame, the likelihood of invincible roaming gangs of RR motherships in the near future (3-4 months based on build cycles), and even monkeying with the changes to the nagalfar, the dread they just fixed!
The inmates are running the asylum....
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.17 22:16:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
I care about the ship i have invested 16 billion isk about. I am guessing other people do to.
Plus, i am very, very, very important.
Nice comeback
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2009.11.17 23:29:00 -
[56]
Originally by: King Dave
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
Probably, but then I'm not frothing at the mouth over some pixels and calling for someone's career to be put at risk am I?
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.11.18 00:13:00 -
[57]
I'm sensing massive amounts of QQ.
Time for a certain somebody to grow up, and graduate elementary school.
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.18 11:38:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Doctor Mabuse
Originally by: King Dave
For someone who is close to 40 years old, you sure do talk alot of crap on an online game forum.
Probably, but then I'm not frothing at the mouth over some pixels and calling for someone's career to be put at risk am I?
So why are you even posting in this thread? I certainly care about these pixels. I also care about the fact that I pay ccp money every month for them to hire people that do this.
I don't see why you don't understand this?
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:14:00 -
[59]
Originally by: SATAN
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
i said if an alliance wants to sell the titans, they can. I dont get this...people whine to CCP that eve is turning into capitals and titans online. CCP Changes the game to make caps/titans/moms less desirable. People then whine that Eve is no longer Capitals online.
Goes to show you cant make anyone happy when you run an MMO.
Show me where the bad man touched you little one, seems you have an issue with me if so please post with your main. I would love for you to show me a few things about this game that you are obviously so knowledgeable about.
Oh and questioning our ability to adapt is like questioning if the world is really round.
show YOU where the bad man touched ME....that's a joke, right?
You're the one whining about CCP nerfing your roaming titans. get over it, tool
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Big McLarge'Huge
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Posted - 2009.11.18 19:48:00 -
[60]
You guys sure are mad at video games.
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heile
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Posted - 2009.11.18 20:32:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Big McLarge'Huge
You guys sure are mad at video games.
Of course! Whats the point being mad with real life it's totally ****ed anyway.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.19 02:21:00 -
[62]
putting this back on the firts page in the hope (yea right) that ccp will realise this is the biggest nerf to hit this game yet....
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Fear the french touch.
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Severion Atarkos
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Posted - 2009.11.19 03:06:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Fire Hawk
putting this back on the firts page in the hope (yea right) that ccp will realise this is the biggest nerf to hit this game yet....
for the first time ever I actually agree with an IT member...
CCP, Dominion should not be launched in two weeks. Take an extra week or four and really look over what you are doing to supercaps. You have taken the super out of them and replaced it with "meh".These ships are supposed to be very hard to get and they should have the awe factor when deployed on the battlefield being they are supercaps. If you want something inbetween carriers/dreads and supercaps then create a new capital ship class.
You have taken the work of a few that have actually used these ships and had a great plan for them and you replaced it with someone that is clueless.
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Serena Ku
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.19 04:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Severion Atarkos
You have taken the super out of them and replaced it with "meh".
I, too, like the new Mehcarrier classes.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 08:45:00 -
[65]
Nozh is capable of ruining titans, mom's, and AC and arty changes. Way to go idiot!
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:24:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Serena Ku
Originally by: Severion Atarkos
You have taken the super out of them and replaced it with "meh".
I, too, like the new Mehcarrier classes.
EVE, 3 years ago: 'THEY HAVE A TITAN RUN AWAY'
EVE, today: 'they have a titan. can we kill it without losing too much?'
EVE, next year: 'they brought a titan....what for?'
And to all the people who say that only the few hundred supercap pilots are affected - you have no idea howmuch of eve's gameplay revolves directly or indirectly around supercapitals.
+ The mining, ratting, building and hauling to get all the ISK, minerals and components
+ The requirement to own and hold space
+ The investment in BPO's and starbases
+ The incentive they offer for fights - howmany great battles haven't started with 'CARRIER?MOM/TITAN TACKLED GET IN FLEET'
Quit calling us whiners, and shut up, because don't know what you're talking about. Also vote for me pls.
- Sok.
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:50:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Nozh is capable of ruining titans, mom's, and AC and arty changes. Way to go idiot!
b/c he's the only Dev making any changes right? get off it already.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 10:52:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Nozh is capable of ruining titans, mom's, and AC and arty changes. Way to go idiot!
b/c he's the only Dev making any changes right? get off it already.
He's the guy that brought us the speed nerf and the MASSIVE carrier ragefest two years ago. His track record isn't exactly impressive and from a reliable source I understand that he has more to do with these changes than anyone else.
BUT we could ofc be wrong. In that case all ccp needs to do is say 'sorry we were experimenting, wont do it again, have abathurs old changes back'
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Daenosa
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:13:00 -
[69]
yay lets all rage against 1 bloke who of course makes any change in the game all by himself.
Come on seriously at least some people must know how companies work? no?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:26:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Daenosa
yay lets all rage against 1 bloke who of course makes any change in the game all by himself.
Come on seriously at least some people must know how companies work? no?
Abathur was behind the first iteration of changes and while he obviously wasn't the only one involved he was responsible. I can imagine nozh being responsible for these changes in a similar way in the latest iteration.
But yay, another nameless alt trying to lead us away from the actual problem.
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gnome blood
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:31:00 -
[71]
Originally by: King Dave
No-one whined about the changes they were bringing about at the beginning.
The reason for that is very, very simple.
The initial proposal from Abathur was overpowered.
People who usually complain about something being overpowered didn't know how they performed on the test server at the time and current owners were delighted they could finally use their moms in fights - without significant risk. 
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Minmatar citizen4561451
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:33:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Nozh is capable of ruining titans, mom's, and AC and arty changes. Way to go idiot!
b/c he's the only Dev making any changes right? get off it already.
He's the guy that brought us the speed nerf and the MASSIVE carrier ragefest two years ago. His track record isn't exactly impressive and from a reliable source I understand that he has more to do with these changes than anyone else.
BUT we could ofc be wrong. In that case all ccp needs to do is say 'sorry we were experimenting, wont do it again, have abathurs old changes back'
yeh theyre sorry they ruined *your* game....
funny how all the "rage fests" you're on about were also met with this massive "OMG WE'RE QUITTING" rage...and yet people are still here. YOU especially, being the most vocal of that crowd during the nano nerf and the carrier nerf....I'm shocked you continue to assist in filling the CCP coffers.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:47:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Minmatar citizen4561451
funny how all the "rage fests" you're on about were also met with this massive "OMG WE'RE QUITTING" rage...and yet people are still here. YOU especially, being the most vocal of that crowd during the nano nerf and the carrier nerf....I'm shocked you continue to assist in filling the CCP coffers.
You just proved yourself to be a clueless troll.
First of all the proposed carrier changes by nozh didn't follow through because of the massive player protest.
Second, please link to threads where I am the most vocal person against the nano and carrier nerf and threatening to cancel my accounts - oh wait, I never have, and in fact, while I was against both nerfs, I kept rather quiet about it because I was busy elsewhere at the time.
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
- Sok.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.19 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: gnome blood
Originally by: King Dave
No-one whined about the changes they were bringing about at the beginning.
The reason for that is very, very simple.
The initial proposal from Abathur was overpowered.
People who usually complain about something being overpowered didn't know how they performed on the test server at the time and current owners were delighted they could finally use their moms in fights - without significant risk.
You're not making much sense.
* Balancing, is not the same as revamping.
* Changing a ships designated role is nothing you do in overnight, with short time to release.
The original changes had a theme, a role for the ship. The new changes another. The ships have not been balanced lately, they have been revamped and given a totally other role. That's just before an expansion release, after another role been playtested. If they simply had been 'overpowered', they had been toned down/balanced, not completely changed. 
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Serena Ku
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Serena Ku
Originally by: Severion Atarkos
You have taken the super out of them and replaced it with "meh".
I, too, like the new Mehcarrier classes.
EVE, 3 years ago: 'THEY HAVE A TITAN RUN AWAY'
EVE, today: 'they have a titan. can we kill it without losing too much?'
EVE, next year: 'they brought a titan....what for?'
And to all the people who say that only the few hundred supercap pilots are affected - you have no idea howmuch of eve's gameplay revolves directly or indirectly around supercapitals.
+ The mining, ratting, building and hauling to get all the ISK, minerals and components
+ The requirement to own and hold space
+ The investment in BPO's and starbases
+ The incentive they offer for fights - howmany great battles haven't started with 'CARRIER?MOM/TITAN TACKLED GET IN FLEET'
Quit calling us whiners, and shut up, because don't know what you're talking about. Also vote for me pls.
- Sok.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
CCP really needs to fix this whole supercap mess, and fast.
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Tradesman Mcgee
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:26:00 -
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Stop complaining at Nozh, he is not a real person, just a forum persona CCP use to break out news they know will upset the playerbase, keeping the other devs' reputation unharmed.
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2009.11.19 13:59:00 -
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Thread has become a rant thread. Locking now.
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