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Anything
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:09:00 -
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Last night, around midnight GMT, a friend and I ended the Passari blockade for about 90 minutes until we just had to sleep. We did it with... two cruisers. Guarding the gate were J0rt in his battleship and Gauss, Morpheus, Ywev, Nightkrawler and I believe one other in cruisers. Morpheus was podded, the rest left. After they had gone, we cleared up all the junk they had around the gate and made sure that everybody who wanted to go through the gate for free could do so.
I don't want anybody to construe this as an anti-m0o post though. I think the game is a lot more fun with them than without them, and j0rt and morpheus especially were very friendly in channel and I hope everybody involved had a lot of fun. Until next time! |
Flower
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:12:00 -
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It was Monday night. Not everyone can play 24/7.
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hey joe
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:15:00 -
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lol..are u saying u forced a battelship and some cruisers to leave...with just two cruisers?
boy pirating is not what it was anymore.
its funnier than me flying thru the blockade in an industrial...:) |
Anything
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:17:00 -
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You are correct Flower, not everybody can play 24/7. Exactly what that has to do with my post though is anybody's guess. |
Trinity Eve
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:17:00 -
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I was on-line just before downtime and there were Jort, Axelay, Lord Zapp there.
Also there is at least 2 others who sleep in the Ducia station.
However, it is pathetic to see Zapp early after downtime log on and be only one there and quickly log off.
Its always sad to see people with this kind of sense for fun, try to destroy it for others and then depend that otheres like themselves are on-line to be able to play.
Really sad and pathetic.
Also it is easier now to get bookmarks on both sides of gates.
That way its possible to form force in Mara awaiting them when they try to run, as well as force in Passari that will make them jump.
Its not going to be long that these guys will be totally wiped out due to shear power of their stupidity and predictability.
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Flower
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:55:00 -
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Anything: Maybe they just had to log off.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.06.24 14:56:00 -
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Its about time I read a post like this, all the time I see posts moaning about how the MOO have done this and the naughty men have done that. My god just deal with it like these guys have by a big ship and get some mates and pound their ass's. If I got podded the first few days I played by them, bothered you come back as a clone or use another character it's easy as that. What you lose you can always get back.
I am in two minds myself at what to do next weather I should hunt them down and join, if they will have me or just hunt them. But eother way they are the evil dictators who are needed to give the game a fun and exiting edge.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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CORPS
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Posted - 2003.06.24 15:05:00 -
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Anything, contact me ingame please.
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Gauss
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Posted - 2003.06.24 15:24:00 -
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I assume you're talking about the two cruisers that warped in behind us on a bookmark, mwd'd 100km away, and started shooting at us from that range and hitting for 80-100 every time. Yeah, that's great. We went back to the station to train up the sensor linking skill to use the tracking links your (friends?) blackbird obviously had 4 or 5 of.
There's lots of little tricks that we know and don't use.
gauss
moo
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The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.06.24 15:25:00 -
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This whole story, even if true, sounds about as correct on it's face meaning as the Guirsta's corporate description.
Way to get ppls courage up moo to increase the action. This is going to be interesting to see.
Edited by: The Wretch on 24/06/2003 15:28:26
The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Koinski
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Posted - 2003.06.24 15:33:00 -
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I find refreshing that people come up with solutions for what they perceive as a problem, instead of hoping someone solves it for them.
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Tyrellius
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Posted - 2003.06.24 17:26:00 -
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There is a GOD... nice one guys:) 100km do that more often.
So Passari may yet be free to pass.
"Nothing is worth doing except that which the world says it's impossible..." |
5Rings
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Posted - 2003.06.24 18:06:00 -
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I saw MORPHEUS there in a newbie frigate (Reaper). Must have been after your "event".
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.06.24 18:17:00 -
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i never flew a reaper, i had a velator, and now im have something bigger. it was nice to see new ways to resist the blockade. This is what happened from my point: im flying about in the vexor, checking out cargo, when i see a threat window pop up. Well, i just go for the guy not even looking where he is. To my great surprise, the guy was 60km away. At that time i saw that there was a blackbird behind him. So i try to turn around. At this point I THINK i was webbed, but im not sure cuz i had the web glitch thing already. My cap is at 0 so i cant use the MWD and my Vexor is a piece of slow crap...It didnt go into warp for about 10 seconds...Well once i saw my ship get destroyed i kinda left the PC alone and went to get food, honestly being REALY ****ed. But not much harm done, i had a good clone in Lai Dai, all the skills were saved. Props to the guys that killed me :) good job. It wont happen next time tho ;)
Ask me nicely and I won't pod you... |
Kimbal
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Posted - 2003.06.24 18:26:00 -
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lol i was outside Lai Dai station when Morpheus was podded (he didn't tell how). Sudenly 2 M0o guys came in, docked and it was all over...
The gate was clear and a small army of frigates and cruisers cleaned all the stuff arround the gate in a few minutes.
ATM Passari is pirate free wich is odd at this hour...!
Edit: ! He just told how...:)
Edited by: Kimbal on 24/06/2003 18:32:59 |
GFLTorque
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:10:00 -
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Gauss states: " assume you're talking about the two cruisers that warped in behind us on a bookmark, mwd'd 100km away, and started shooting at us from that range and hitting for 80-100 every time. Yeah, that's great. We went back to the station to train up the sensor linking skill to use the ..."
Actually its more then sensor linking. So be prepared to be disappointed if thats all your working on.
We can target at 300km+ and Target lock in under 1 second.
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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tekforce
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:16:00 -
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"I assume you're talking about the two cruisers that warped in behind us on a bookmark, mwd'd 100km away, and started shooting at us from that range and hitting for 80-100 every time. Yeah, that's great. We went back to the station to train up the sensor linking skill to use the tracking links your (friends?) blackbird obviously had 4 or 5 of.
There's lots of little tricks that we know and don't use."
thats all that needs to be said, when we went back they were gone hardly soft just had to train sensor linking
m0o
tekforce
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Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:32:00 -
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"blockade for about 90 minutes until we just had to sleep."
We went to bed.. it was late, we didn't run :P |
Gauss
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:40:00 -
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Yeah obviously there were also targeting computers, sharpshooting skills, trajectory analysis skills, and range mods involved.
I haven't tried it, but I hope there isn't a bug wherein you can target someone and then move to 300km (beyond the clipping range, where things can't be seen) and then fire at them. I can imagine "Ahh wtf?? Im getting shot but there's no one around!!" I'm not sure if the clipping thing is even in the game anymore, though.
Unconventional warfare specialist? How's that going?
Gauss
Warfare Specialist
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Darkannis
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:43:00 -
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At last - somebody using their brains!
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Hannibal L
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:59:00 -
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How do you hit targets at 100km away ? what skills does that involve training ? , im lucky if i hit 10k away :(
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:15:00 -
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hannibal, read the whole topic before posting, analyze it afterwards...not hard to figure that blackbird (with 6 or 5 medslots, im not sure) was linking the MOA to shoot that far. well, and the other stuff Gauss said :P im waiting to see the moment when those guys take a few shots from the battleship :P 300km away :P regardless, it REALY IS nice to see someone trying to solve the problem themselves! dont turn this into oral poddings, its not fun. take it into space :P
Ask me nicely and I won't pod you... |
Cezanne
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:18:00 -
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... "oral poddings" ...
Ewww now there is a phrase you don't want to read whilst you are eating....
:P
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:40:00 -
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Its part of our "Combat Haulage" package.. the indie (B2) sits well outside risk range but helps boost the freelance hunter quite considerably...
then runs in at 1500m/s to loot.
rinse, repeat
The only way to hunt (NPCs)
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:48:00 -
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I hate to see another "stacking" surprise. It simply sucks.
Shield hardeners, weapon mods, sensor links.
What more stacks in a "unforseen" way?
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Anything
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:50:00 -
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It doesn't stack in an "unforeseen way." It stacks exactly according to the stats, and I would hardly call a strategy that requires having entire cruisers dedicated to boosting one ship an exploit.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:01:00 -
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So a scorpion that use 8 can do atleast 6x more range. So your 75km tachyon etc can now shot 450km and the tank got 8 weapon mods.
What a dream world.
We are back with the god old MMO style. You never know what hit you. And you can¦t see or do anything about it. Rise and repeat.
So cloaking with 100% invisibility can't be far away. Now we just need the tech V multispectrals, then no one can kill anyone.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:03:00 -
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It "cant" have been unforseen after the weapons stuff - at least it "shouldn't" have been - the point was raised on the patch review board (by myself).
Boost is generally to range and track-rate, so its a less "severe" problem if it is judged to be incorrectly implemented.
As with this instance, the very limited in way in which combat encounters take place (everybody is forced tow arp to a fixed point in space) means that to fuly utilise the skills/stats you have to use some creative tactics.
(Using a runner as shown here, pre-bookmarking locations around target area, functions of gangwarp, and so on and so forth.)
If they would add the ability to drop out of warp 25 , 50 and 100km short of destination it would enliven strategy by tenfold.
The current "lets all warp into a barfight" limitation is crude, at best.
When anybody (and I suppose pirates in particular) have to contend with the possibility of attackers warping in at a SAFE point (for the attacker, free of lagged containers, mines and other garbage) and letting loose a long-range barrage , well, guess what?
Game on.
Its not fool-proof, it doesn't stop piracy, it just requires better teamwork on both sides and the application of some strategy and tactics.
Can hardly see any reason for complaint.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:03:00 -
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double post - grr
Edited by: Morkt Drak on 24/06/2003 21:03:28
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:22:00 -
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Weapon mods aint over..can you say SS skill and stack with them? ;) 30x damage on your medium guns ain¦t impossible.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:36:00 -
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amazed if that lasts beyond the next patch.
then again amazed they didn't emergency-patch it already.
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Anything
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:44:00 -
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Sorry to say that as of now, the blockade is back in place. J0rt and zap got rid of us from the gate. Nobody died, but it wasn't exactly in our best interests to stay.
Until next time! |
Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.06.24 22:04:00 -
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Just somethign to finish on, we never use a tactic before we know we can counter it. We will be back. Just need a litte time and money.
Donations will be appreciated though :)
Oh and the long range tactic is a pain to use, took us a bit before we had it sorted right. If you ever try it by using bookmarks.. you will know what I meen.
And just incase anyone is thinking of it.. we are NOT recruiting. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.06.24 22:11:00 -
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I see someone used my plan then?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=11851
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 24/06/2003 22:16:13
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Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.06.24 22:25:00 -
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Still flying the Lady Macbeth? :)
Never read that post b4.. there are some niggles that have to ironed out to use the tactic, and there was only 2 of us most of the time in crusiers. They have 2 dominatrix battleships now by the way. One got down to 25% shields woo! We lacked the manpower to do it properley, but who cares was fun, and we learned some more about the game mechanics that we can use to refine our tactics... exciting times are these.
Edited by: Acuna Traos on 24/06/2003 22:29:53 |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.06.24 22:30:00 -
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What else?
I get so many evemails from Peter Hamilton fans I'm considering a name change!
I've yet to explore the sensor linking option - whats the changes you could have a few indies with shield enhancers and share hsield strength with other ships? Is that possible?
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 24/06/2003 22:31:31
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Acuna Traos
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Posted - 2003.06.25 00:32:00 -
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It is possible, but not very practical. The indi ships would ahve to be very close to the ships they were supporting, needless to say indi ships shouldn't be close to battle. You'd be better off usign the indi ships as electronic warfare ships as they could hang back from the battle. They wouldn't be very effective though. Unless you had a couple. But every little edge you can get helps in the long run.
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la'Rei
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Posted - 2003.06.25 00:52:00 -
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I have a few things to say.
1. They are a TEAM CORP. they PLAY as a team and ONLY a team.
2. They very likely have alts, because 100% pirate is friggin crazy. That's why I do it.
3. Zap could kill you both.
4. Do you think j0rt couldnt kill 5 cruisers?
5. 450k range... on the Scorpion... Uhh... it has like 3 turrets... other than "REALLY" ****ing someone off, that would help, plus a b-ship is EASILY seen at 100+k with a frigate. I could likely see it at 500k with b-ship scanners... guess what? if you can see it, you can warp to it.
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Darkannis
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Posted - 2003.06.25 02:12:00 -
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la rei
Do you wear a cheer-leaders outfit when you post about m0o?
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.25 02:30:00 -
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Cheer leaders do not usually spend their time correcting their audience. Sounds to me like more of a teacher than a cheerleader.
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m0o
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William Corto
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Posted - 2003.06.25 02:41:00 -
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Hello. I am Molly's sex slave and I am coming with my pod to Mara with my neg sec rating. Please do not destroy my pod! I want to get to know you guys!
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Mad Anar
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Posted - 2003.06.25 04:52:00 -
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Darnit.. why is it I always come up with these great ideas and before I can run with it somebody gets there first.
Good job, Anything, on working out the long range sniper scenario. Damn you for getting there first.
As for "I haven't tried it, but I hope there isn't a bug wherein you can target someone and then move to 300km (beyond the clipping range, where things can't be seen) and then fire at them." I kinda hope that such a thing is possible. Considering the amount of effort and teamwork involved (we're talking 2-3 cruisers and/or a fleet of supporting frigates to get just 1 ship capable of firing at that range, plus a couple of support ships doing nothing but dumping capacitor on the others) I wouldn't say that being able to pull a standard sniper tactic would be all that unbalanced. Such a tactic is fairly easy to detect and counter once the initial shock and surprise have worn off.. I'd be surprised if a well organized group would lose more than a single ship to it before making it too dangerous for the sniper to continue.
The end result, I'd expect, would be to encourage pirate groups wishing to blockade gates to move around a bit more, rather than giving their enemies the chance to arrange such attacks. Predictability = vulnerability.
Old Mad Anar
Mad Scientist Extraordinare
"Voidsharks with lasers attached to their foreheads? Aye, I can do that.." |
Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.06.25 05:57:00 -
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Actually it wasnt 100 it was a shade over 69 :) I know I was firing :) One by one they left as shields got down to 25%. Jort warped in and I took him head on :) (I am quite mad) I bailed at about 20% everything and flames everywhere. It was great fun and as Acuna says. We will be back :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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GameExits
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Posted - 2003.06.25 11:19:00 -
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Are the goodies out past Mara that good to go through all of this trouble?
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.06.25 12:01:00 -
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aaaand la'Rei saves us all from what could have been a worthwhile thread about m0o.
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2003.06.25 12:15:00 -
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Trouble? Its not trouble its PvP and its what I live for in this game :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
Currently chasing Lianhaun |
Prince Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.06.25 15:51:00 -
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http://www.theonion.com/onion3924/genocide.html
Nuff said :)
Poding is never the right thing to do. Those I see do this go looking for a new ship. |
Erick Thakrar
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Posted - 2003.06.25 18:23:00 -
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Kinda funny to see pirates attacking pirates. Acuna Traos isn't exactly the most law-abiding pilot in Eve, most likely just breaking the blockade so he can take over :)
No honor among thieves, eh?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.06.25 20:20:00 -
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hiya Erick :)
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.25 20:59:00 -
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Nice to see some strategy variations.
I don't see stacking in its current form to be bad at all. To get insane bonuses from stacking, one will have to leave major vulnerabilities in other areas.
Example: If you have 6 sensor links, pray that no one gets close since you don't have shield hardeners or boosters. If you're using uber boosters, good luck against the guy with 5-6 sensor links spanking you from insane range.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.06.25 22:20:00 -
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That is what I like about this game or, at the leadt, what it will become when CCP get around to balancing the modules.
Eventually you'll always have to sacrifice one facet for another...attack/defense, speed/strength, close range/long range.......and there's a possibility that taking the middle ground will be even worse :)
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Wil Rufus
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Posted - 2003.06.25 22:27:00 -
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It's just nice to see that folks are starting to think tactics rather then just whining that they are getting killed when they keep trying to use First World War 'charge the machine gun' tactics.
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Morpheus
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Posted - 2003.06.26 12:00:00 -
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I was not Podded, however one of the many "Morpheus1001" might have been.
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Shikome Alluin
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Posted - 2003.06.26 16:41:00 -
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la Rei...
How many pirate topics is it that you have ruind with your pom-poms now ??
Do you get a star for every one ? :P
On a serius note:
Good job!
This is getting interesting, see all it takes is "Team work" as one of the mOo¦s said.
Game on then :D
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2003.06.26 17:38:00 -
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Gauss States: "Unconventional warfare specialist? How's that going?
Gauss
Warfare Specialist...."
: )
Good thanks for asking, ie.. locking under a second, and able to shoot the eyelash of an unexpecting person at great distances.
mucho fun, sir.
Hope things is well with you -
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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Tolanthas
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Posted - 2003.06.27 07:22:00 -
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<<to Gauss's post>>
I assume you're talking about the two cruisers that warped in behind us on a bookmark, mwd'd 100km away, and started shooting at us from that range and hitting for 80-100 every time. Yeah, that's great. We went back to the station to train up the sensor linking skill to use the tracking links your (friends?) blackbird obviously had 4 or 5 of.
There's lots of little tricks that we know and don't use.
gauss
moo...
The difference between what they did and you do is they sued a valid tactic,, Oh thats right forgot you claim 200 containers with 1 ammo is a tactic.. forgot about that.
Sensor linking is there for anyone to use it,, just like your stamped heat sinks are so dont cry fould because they can hit you for 80-100 damage from 100km+
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Ywev
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:21:00 -
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Ya, we can shoot well over 170k away, with devasting damage now, 995.6 as one of your blackbirds felt the hit. We have multiple skills and will deploy them, was interesting, however i can't wait to see ya guys again, got something new I want to test out.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.06.28 01:19:00 -
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Boring.
Why all these intensely powerful functions so early in the game?
Battleships and uber-damage from distances beyond the norm - its sort of spoiling the game.
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eOn Domanik
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Posted - 2003.06.29 11:50:00 -
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Hmm and I was happy with 360 damage! However it's good to see people using tactics. Much as I don't like the m0o got to admit they are the most famous pirate corp. And at the end of the day are having fun. Hell itĘs the first thing I've seen in the game that really affects us all. Maybe CCP should employ them to write story lines. lol.
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Draken Rahl
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Posted - 2003.06.29 19:00:00 -
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I think its great that a few players working as a team can make an impact this size on the entire game. Not many games out there have that "You can make a difference" feel to it... instead you just try to make your character bigger and kill bigger monsters 'cause there is nothing else to it. Piracy gives the game a more volitile feeling and the different strategies gives people with a little ingenuity a chance to really shine!
Edited by: Draken Rahl on 29/06/2003 19:01:15
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