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NateX	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:07:00 - [1] Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX _______________ ______/ Regards NateX
NateX	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:07:00 - [2] Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX _______________ ______/ Regards NateX
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:22:00 - [3] Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:22:00 - [4] Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
slothe	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:22:00 - [5] read http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=95454 armour tanking rules Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
slothe	Posted - 2004.11.06 20:22:00 - [6] read http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=95454 armour tanking rules Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Tobiaz	Posted - 2004.11.07 11:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2004.11.07 11:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible.
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.11.07 15:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible. um er... Why? it has less low than a maller and less armor dont you mean.. "And armour tanking makes ships like the Maller or Zelalot almost invincible" --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.11.07 15:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible. um er... Why? it has less low than a maller and less armor dont you mean.. "And armour tanking makes ships like the Maller or Zelalot almost invincible" --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Elita	Posted - 2004.11.07 15:52:00 - [11] Responding to the original post, it depends on the ship. Amarr and Gallente ships are good armor tankers because they have more low slots. Caldari ships are better shield tankers because they have more med slots. (I have almost no experience with Minmatar ships.) You appear to be Caldari, so you should stick with shield tanking while flying your race's ships. If you want to try armor tanking, get a Maller; it's far and away the best armor tanker for the price (although a Punisher can be a pretty good mini armor tank). -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
Elita	Posted - 2004.11.07 15:52:00 - [12] Responding to the original post, it depends on the ship. Amarr and Gallente ships are good armor tankers because they have more low slots. Caldari ships are better shield tankers because they have more med slots. (I have almost no experience with Minmatar ships.) You appear to be Caldari, so you should stick with shield tanking while flying your race's ships. If you want to try armor tanking, get a Maller; it's far and away the best armor tanker for the price (although a Punisher can be a pretty good mini armor tank). -- "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.11.07 16:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Pottsey on 07/11/2004 16:03:12 From a max points per second it goes -rmor best Passive shield Recharge Shield Recharge with boosters worst. Though most people think I am crasy as they dont know how passive charge works. Each one has a befit and draw back. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.11.07 16:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Pottsey on 07/11/2004 16:03:12 From a max points per second it goes -rmor best Passive shield Recharge Shield Recharge with boosters worst. Though most people think I am crasy as they dont know how passive charge works. Each one has a befit and draw back. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
MinnieME	Posted - 2004.11.07 16:26:00 - [15] funny how people always forget about the minmatar ships , typhoon is a decent armor tank, no idea how tempest can be used either way, haven't found anything decent myself yet.
MinnieME	Posted - 2004.11.07 16:26:00 - [16] funny how people always forget about the minmatar ships , typhoon is a decent armor tank, no idea how tempest can be used either way, haven't found anything decent myself yet.
Abomination	Posted - 2004.11.07 17:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Nimrodel Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible. um er... Why? it has less low than a maller and less armor dont you mean.. "And armour tanking makes ships like the Maller or Zelalot almost invincible" Sacrilege gets 5% to armor resists per level, so it can out tank any cruiser, especailly the zealot...
Abomination	Posted - 2004.11.07 17:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Nimrodel Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: NateX Basicly That is best? i havent¦heared any thing good about armor tanking yet.. but are there any body who have some good exp with armor tanking or shield tankÝng? NateX nothing good about armor tank? ever heard of apoc? And armour tanking makes ships like the Sacrilege almost invincible. um er... Why? it has less low than a maller and less armor dont you mean.. "And armour tanking makes ships like the Maller or Zelalot almost invincible" Sacrilege gets 5% to armor resists per level, so it can out tank any cruiser, especailly the zealot...
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.11.07 18:32:00 - [19] so does the maller Its the mallers bonus that it carry's over! But the maller has more armorand more lowslots (+ its much muc cheaper! The Heavy assault is a Caldari Amarr Hybrid that gives it more sheilds which would be wasted! --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.11.07 18:32:00 - [20] so does the maller Its the mallers bonus that it carry's over! But the maller has more armorand more lowslots (+ its much muc cheaper! The Heavy assault is a Caldari Amarr Hybrid that gives it more sheilds which would be wasted! --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
blahh	Posted - 2004.11.07 18:41:00 - [21] Edited by: blahh on 08/11/2004 07:23:37 Edited by: blahh on 07/11/2004 18:44:05 Originally by: Nimrodel so does the maller Its the mallers bonus that it carry's over! But the maller has more armorand more lowslots (+ its much muc cheaper! The Heavy assault is a Caldari Amarr Hybrid that gives it more sheilds which would be wasted! Maller explosive resist: 20%, kinetic resist: 25%. Sacrilege explosive resist: 80%, kinetic resist: 62.5%. With just one hardener on thermal every resist is at 70-90%. It has more powergrid to allow the fitting of better guns / more repairers, and has better cap too (Maller - 1200cap/430sec, Sacrilege - 1300cap/268sec - about double the regen). It can likely run two t2 med armor reps indefinately over a maller which can only really run 1, with the higher resists this means it can tank about 3x more effectively than the maller. And the lack of a low slot doesnt matter, usually one low will have a cap power relay in it, and you get one more med slot so you can just put in a tech2 cap recharger (unless your poor.. but then you wouldnt have a sacrilege anyway).
blahh	Posted - 2004.11.07 18:41:00 - [22] Edited by: blahh on 08/11/2004 07:23:37 Edited by: blahh on 07/11/2004 18:44:05 Originally by: Nimrodel so does the maller Its the mallers bonus that it carry's over! But the maller has more armorand more lowslots (+ its much muc cheaper! The Heavy assault is a Caldari Amarr Hybrid that gives it more sheilds which would be wasted! Maller explosive resist: 20%, kinetic resist: 25%. Sacrilege explosive resist: 80%, kinetic resist: 62.5%. With just one hardener on thermal every resist is at 70-90%. It has more powergrid to allow the fitting of better guns / more repairers, and has better cap too (Maller - 1200cap/430sec, Sacrilege - 1300cap/268sec - about double the regen). It can likely run two t2 med armor reps indefinately over a maller which can only really run 1, with the higher resists this means it can tank about 3x more effectively than the maller. And the lack of a low slot doesnt matter, usually one low will have a cap power relay in it, and you get one more med slot so you can just put in a tech2 cap recharger (unless your poor.. but then you wouldnt have a sacrilege anyway).
Armetheus	Posted - 2004.11.07 19:50:00 - [23] Sacrilege is awesome 2 Medium Armor Rep 2's, running 24/7, plus guns, plus webber/scrambler, with 80% resistances across the board means it can potentially tank a BS comfortably. Forum Rules
Armetheus	Posted - 2004.11.07 19:50:00 - [24] Sacrilege is awesome 2 Medium Armor Rep 2's, running 24/7, plus guns, plus webber/scrambler, with 80% resistances across the board means it can potentially tank a BS comfortably. Forum Rules
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.11.08 01:54:00 - [25] Unless the pilots utterly unskilled, the armour tank will always survive over the shield, i can use both very effectivly, armour users have the advantage of cap recharge inbetween their long activation time, the shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.11.08 01:54:00 - [26] Unless the pilots utterly unskilled, the armour tank will always survive over the shield, i can use both very effectivly, armour users have the advantage of cap recharge inbetween their long activation time, the shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.11.08 07:34:00 - [27] ôthe shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out.ö How do you work that one out? I am a shield man and Passive shields are better then boosters and use up 0 cap. I was helping with my corps combat training and had Battleships and Frigates shooting me for over an hour almost none stop. I never had to worry about cap. I had to stop for 1 minuet every 20 minuets because having 7 frigates and drones on you was more then my shields could take. But cap never dropped below 90%. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Pottsey	Posted - 2004.11.08 07:34:00 - [28] ôthe shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out.ö How do you work that one out? I am a shield man and Passive shields are better then boosters and use up 0 cap. I was helping with my corps combat training and had Battleships and Frigates shooting me for over an hour almost none stop. I never had to worry about cap. I had to stop for 1 minuet every 20 minuets because having 7 frigates and drones on you was more then my shields could take. But cap never dropped below 90%. _________________________________________________ Gallente defensive innovation comes from unexpected source.
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2004.11.08 08:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 08/11/2004 08:32:06 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Pottsey ôthe shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out.ö How do you work that one out? I am a shield man and Passive shields are better then boosters and use up 0 cap. I was helping with my corps combat training and had Battleships and Frigates shooting me for over an hour almost none stop. I never had to worry about cap. I had to stop for 1 minuet every 20 minuets because having 7 frigates and drones on you was more then my shields could take. But cap never dropped below 90%. Battle ships shooting at ya, yeah right you meantioned with drones only eh, heh silly, any large shield with around 10k points, base shield reacharge of 300 or 400 with resisters could do that against SMALL little gun fire. but do tell what slots you sacrificed to achieve that. If battleships were firing REAL weapons passive setups would go down faster then booster setups. Over all it is silly dude, don't try that in combat, we are not talking just about cap being above a certain lvl it is your shd as well. yeah you can have a HUGE shield which in turn can make it recharge faster due to the recharge per size ratio and make certain things very quick if you had a decent recharge but it will never outdo a booster setup. a battleship with a simple large booster is better then passive, IF their recharge is around 300 or less but still will not hold up long under real combat.
Lord Wimbishi	Posted - 2004.11.08 08:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Lord Wimbishi on 08/11/2004 08:32:06 Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Lord Wimbishi Originally by: Pottsey ôthe shield man can take a nice pummeling, but over time he gets wasted when his cap dies out.ö How do you work that one out? I am a shield man and Passive shields are better then boosters and use up 0 cap. I was helping with my corps combat training and had Battleships and Frigates shooting me for over an hour almost none stop. I never had to worry about cap. I had to stop for 1 minuet every 20 minuets because having 7 frigates and drones on you was more then my shields could take. But cap never dropped below 90%. Battle ships shooting at ya, yeah right you meantioned with drones only eh, heh silly, any large shield with around 10k points, base shield reacharge of 300 or 400 with resisters could do that against SMALL little gun fire. but do tell what slots you sacrificed to achieve that. If battleships were firing REAL weapons passive setups would go down faster then booster setups. Over all it is silly dude, don't try that in combat, we are not talking just about cap being above a certain lvl it is your shd as well. yeah you can have a HUGE shield which in turn can make it recharge faster due to the recharge per size ratio and make certain things very quick if you had a decent recharge but it will never outdo a booster setup. a battleship with a simple large booster is better then passive, IF their recharge is around 300 or less but still will not hold up long under real combat.

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