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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.19 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 19/11/2009 16:56:38
A collective sweeping under the rug. It's pretty obvious what happened, I almost belived Rodge when he claimed to be investigating & taking appropriate actions...
*ChipMo laughs
...I guess if nothing else this episode is another example of how the Amarrian peoples faith is being manipulated and abused by those in power. To those Amarrian pilots who can see this pharse for what it is I tell you! - Cast off you chains to the empire, disown your dishonor & take up arms for the freedom of all mankind & space!
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.20 00:46:00 -
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With regard to Quibec Powers lack of follow up, it's quite clear to me that their pilots operate under a different communication protocol from most in the cluster. Something technical mumbo jumbo known as "French" ?
If an organization struggles to report an offense to the empire (or PIE?) does that mean it never happened?
That is some pretty half arsed diplomacy if you ask me. Even us 'crazy anarchists' have higher standards than that. When our RoE is breached we go out of our way to resolve it. We don't stick our heads in the sand and pretend it never happened.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.20 01:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Grim Asse
Well - then these parasites better move on to exploit the federations wealth instead of freeloading in imperial space then - at least they share a commmon ancestry.
Have you any evidence to back up these accusations? As far as I'm aware Quibec Power was in good standing with the Amarr Empire and paid its taxes like everyone else who works for the Empire.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.20 01:59:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 20/11/2009 02:04:23
Originally by: Grim Asse
Providing evidence on how they provided the Empires war effort with any substantial assets would be their obligation.
Purchasing star base charters from Amarrians provides the Empire with ISK. This is one contribution they must have made; else there would never have been a PoS to shoot down.
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I feel at this point in the discussion, that I should point out to anyone reading this with more than 2 braincells to rub together that I am meerly leading the Amarrian horse to water. I do not expect it to drink. I hope from this small example of the Empire & its capsuleer communities hypocrisy you can gain some insight into why we wish to purge New Eden of this scourge.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.20 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: ChipMo on 20/11/2009 03:00:14
I don't want to become a delegate for Quibec Power, they are after all a cog in the enemy machine. I've posted my observations of them as an entity that any capsuleer can see with their search terminals. Beyond that its not really my place to say any more.
The event in question did happen, if you use your terminals "war" tab you can look up a corporations active wars; many capsuleers used this to see the paperwork for themselves at the time. (I saw it myself). You can then search various kill databases for Quibecs losses at the time & you will see their PoS with No.Mercy pilots as the involved parties. - Please, spare us any more of this "it may not have happened" non-sense. It did clearly happen, the only room for debate is in the motives behind the assault.
On to the crux of the issue; given what No.Mercy did was wrong in the eyes of the Empire I say the following:
Your right to bring up the distinction between the two entities involved in this saga; I may have fudged them together under the Militia banner a little. It should be No.Mercy resolving this issue off their own back, however PIE appear to have stepped up to the plate instead (Much like Jehrico may, if say Lyrus were unable to deal with an issue they caused).
If PIE openly take responsibility for the diplomacy then they should see it through. If they are not prepared to look into the issue they should never have said they would in the first place.
To an outsider like me, this just stinks of a cover up. No.Mercy have avoided comment on the issue throughout and PIE have since claimed to be 'dealing' with it by sitting on their hands until it goes away. I don't much care if No.Mercy are pirates I don't really care if the Empire wants to use such people to further their own agenda, I will however point out bull **** when I see it.
Edit: On a personal note Jakiin, I am impressed you ask your questions in public, you appear to have a surprisingly open mind for an Amarrian. I hope you find your truth, and that you aren't too dismayed by it when you do.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.20 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
Which is the difference. If Quebec Power were supporting the Minmatar or Gallente war efforts in a direct fashion then it is raiding enemy resources, something which one shouldn't bat an eye at considering the Empire is renowned for enslaving the conquered populace. If they are neutral corporations, then it is pirating.
If that is the case then surely No.Mercy would have been able to clear this mess up the moment the war declaration was signed... Why all the demands for 'evidance' from Quibec power? Why the denials from loyalists, why the silence from No.Mercy? Quebec were an easy target of opportunity that the No.Mercy vultures scavenged because they couldn't front the economic cost of the failing war effort.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 20/11/2009 09:35:39
If we say that we're going to do something, then of course we should. But just because we've not given you an answer does not mean that an answer does not exist. Please point me to where I've said that the results of my enquiries would be made public.
You see, I've always believed that in general diplomatic discussions should be confidential, but clearly SF disagree with me on that.
The results, as with most things in life will be visible in space. If you find them 'innocent' or do not bother coming to a conclusion at all nothing will change, you will still fly in No.Mercy fleets, you will still support their propaganda, you will still come to their defense at this summit.
If you somehow get over your Amarrian self-interests and arrive at the truth, true you are not under any obligation to come here and announce it. However it will be visable to anyone who fly's in the same circles as PIE as to weather or not you have taken any meaningful action in your relationship with No.Mercy. So far, you have not.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.21 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
The whole debate is centered on one idea: Whether or not Quebec Power were aiding the TLF. So if you'd asked "Has QP ever supported or aided the Minmatar FW forces?" and they'd said "No", then it would have ended the debate in your favour.
Why don't you just ask this grotex chap yourself?
Whatever we say we will be accused of manipulating the truth or some such crap. The Star Fraction - Moral compass for the 24th Crusade... *ChipMo laughs ... bizarre.
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