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Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.23 07:48:00 - [1] Sisi has the same cap numbers for the CNR as Tranquility does. The only change is in shield recharge rate. Doing this to bring the CNR in line with other faction ships seems to be a bit wrong. Amarr and Gallente ships won't be affected at all while the CNR will be. That recharge time becomes something you notice as the shield is driven down towards 30% and the shield tank actually becomes tougher because of the shield recharge rate. Like Caldari ships needed yet another nerf?! Armor tankers won't care or notice. Where's the parity? Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.24 07:54:00 - [2] Originally by: Chi Quan Edited by: Chi Quan on 23/11/2009 23:01:58 Originally by: Batolemaeus Originally by: Windjammer Like Caldari ships needed yet another nerf?! Mission runner ships? Heck yes. Can't see the sense of that statement, care to elaborate? It doesn't make sense because you expect it to. By your expectation you're overshooting his level of intelligence. Here's the problem. You expect him to actually support his allegation that Caldari ships need a nerf. What he's saying is mission runners favor the Caldari Raven. He dislikes people running missions so of course in his mind the Raven class needs to be nerfed. That the CNR might be used for something else other than missions isn't important. He wants to get those mission runners. Presumably because they have isk and he doesn't. Simply put, he's working from a tunnel vision perspective due to the juxtaposition of his head and the back of his front. Expecting him to make sense is wishful thinking. He actually used a couple of multi-syllable words. That's about as well as you can expect. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.27 11:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Batolemaeus Caldari PvP ships are already balanced and have their roles. This statement, alone, shows the credibility of your statments. Caldari ships are already deemed by most to be one of the poorest choices for PvP. And your whine about Amarr having no ability to change their damage type is absurd coming from one of the favored choices for PvP. I happen to know a Vargur pilot and he's extremely happy with the way his ship blazes through missions. I also know a few Kronos pilots who are equally fast going through missions and very dedicated to their brand of ship and they can't change their damage type any more than a Paladin can. Yeah. Lets nerf anything that isn't Amarr and/or Minmatar. Let's boost everything that is Amarr and/or Minmatar. You poor little lambs aren't getting a fair shake and need all the help you can get. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.27 11:21:00 - [4] Originally by: HeliosGal More troll fodder. As for you?You'll parrot anything that you think will work for a troll. At best your ideas throughout the forums, though prolific, are poorly thought out, sloppily worded and written in a lazy fashion. It's an act of charity to call them troll attempts. To take them seriously would be cruel. If you aren't already affiliated with goonswarm, you might consider contacting them. You share a lot in common with them already and they'd probably welcome you with open arms. Windjammer P.S. I liked some of Hunter's stuff, but gonzo journalism was never anything except crap wrapped in pretty paper in an attempt to make it look like artistic intellect and the joke was.....he knew that.
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.27 19:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Captain Mastiff WHAT!!! They've actually shagged the CNR? Who cares about passive recharge on a BS???? Who cares? Anyone who flys the ships of a race that depend upon shield tanking. That recharge rate adds to the tank on an active tanking ship and it does so in a significant way. It's why the tank of a ship like that becomes tougher as the shields are worn down. Making such a radical change is a big deal. Ask yourself this: If nobody cares about the passive recharge on a BS.........why are they nerfing it? Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.27 20:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Marmios Edited by: Marmios on 27/11/2009 14:10:58 Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Batolemaeus Caldari PvP ships are already balanced and have their roles. This statement, alone, shows the credibility of your statments. Caldari ships are already deemed by most to be one of the poorest choices for PvP. And your whine about Amarr having no ability to change their damage type is absurd coming from one of the favored choices for PvP. I happen to know a Vargur pilot and he's extremely happy with the way his ship blazes through missions. I also know a few Kronos pilots who are equally fast going through missions and very dedicated to their brand of ship and they can't change their damage type any more than a Paladin can. Yeah. Lets nerf anything that isn't Amarr and/or Minmatar. Let's boost everything that is Amarr and/or Minmatar. You poor little lambs aren't getting a fair shake and need all the help you can get. Windjammer LOL do you realize waht kinda of bull**** you are saying? You know the Scorpion, Rokh, Falcon, Crow, Chimera, Fylcatcher, Onyx? All useless. Cmon dude get a clue... Hint: PvP isnt done in mission ships. No, look again. I didn't say "useless". I said, "deemed by most to be one of the poorest choices for PvP". Which is an entirely justified statment. Also, you might want to take another look at one of your examples, the Falcon. It's been nerfed to death in one fo the more recent update/releases. Caldari are primarily missile users. Where are the heavy hitting PvP missile ships to compete with Amarr and Gallente front line ships? Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.28 09:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Josh Silver Originally by: Windjammer Caldari are primarily missile users. Where are the heavy hitting PvP missile ships to compete with Amarr and Gallente front line ships? That's the Raven. You are welcome to use it and realize that missles are terrible in long range fleet battles. Thanks. As a member of a corp that uses Amarr ships heavily, it's big of you to agree with me. I appreciate it. Regards, Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.28 10:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Batolemaeus Let's not forget: Drake, Basilisk, Kitsune, Griffin, Blackbird, Caracal, Cerberus, Torpraven... Really..........the Drake a PvP ship. How do you expect to be taken seriously when you write things like that? Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.28 10:11:00 - [9] Originally by: Ancy Denaries Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Batolemaeus Caldari PvP ships are already balanced and have their roles. This statement, alone, shows the credibility of your statments. Caldari ships are already deemed by most to be one of the poorest choices for PvP. And your whine about Amarr having no ability to change their damage type is absurd coming from one of the favored choices for PvP. I happen to know a Vargur pilot and he's extremely happy with the way his ship blazes through missions. I also know a few Kronos pilots who are equally fast going through missions and very dedicated to their brand of ship and they can't change their damage type any more than a Paladin can. Yeah. Lets nerf anything that isn't Amarr and/or Minmatar. Let's boost everything that is Amarr and/or Minmatar. You poor little lambs aren't getting a fair shake and need all the help you can get. Windjammer You don't fly much Caldari in PvP...do you? They're all BUT useless. Unless of course you blob in RR battleships, but I'd be hard pressed to call that "PvP". You tell him, sister. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.30 20:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Mr Windjammer sir. I feel oblied to tell you that since the nano-nerf some of the caldari ships has become very prominent in pvp. The drake/scimitar combo has become one of the norms in roaming gangs. Cerberus is popular in snipe hac gangs because of their excellent range and ability to seriosly hurt enemy dictors. Coupled with the fact that rokh and crow was always among the best of their class. Caldari is seriously underperforming in 2 areas only of pvp: rrbs since they have no armor tankers and dreadfights since capital missiles is a joke. If you stick to cloaked scouting duty or light support while in a rrbs fleet and train carrier instead of dread you will do just fine as a caldari pvper. Appreciate the input. However, CCP is still handing out a piece of candy with their left hand while ramming home a dull blade with their right to be followed by a slow grinding twist of the knife. Windjammer
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2009.11.30 20:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Forge Lag Edited by: Forge Lag on 28/11/2009 12:56:58 Yes, Caldari solo BS PvP is crap. I feel for everyone suffering from that deficiency, I really do, you have my support for cheaper Widow. In the meantime, get some Drake or Rook - or stop soloing. In the end, the so called CNR nerf was Fleet Pest nerf and because hurting the cripple was not enough they kept hitting it some more. And the navy Domi was nerfhammered in womb just to be sure. At the same time we present you the abomination that is new and 70% improved passive Rattlesnake. Poor Caldari. In other news, CCP paints moms and nerfs passive tanks - in their wet dreams. Edit: To the guy above, with whom I agree: Raven may not be the best armor tanker (on par with Pest roughly) but it does have two utility highs and good range to go with them. And even if Caldari could not RR well they are the only race that can reliably break those circles. I might have more to say on the Fleet Tempest, but the OP of this thread chose to focus on the CNR. Suffice it to say that in general I do not like nerfs of any ship. You can't really say the Rattlesnake, new or otherise, is a pure Caldari ship. The hull is modeled after the Scorpion, true, but the skill tree is that of two races. Caldari and Gallente. This is particularly significant in the post Dominion model since they seem to have made it into a Dominix with missiles and shield tanking. Windjammer

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