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Niraia
Gallente
Starcakes
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Posted - 2009.11.23 21:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
For those who feel there are too many candidates: Vote Match! can help you generate a short list :)
"The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." - Maybe this was the expected response to my answers? :)
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.11.24 04:44:00 -
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just refresh the page :P
Director of Education :: EVE University
Chairman of the CSM
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.24 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
The CSM as a process that does work. I do realize that two very important changes that are currently in the spotlight do not support my claim, but looking at it in a larger perspective does suggest that it works.
This is still a learning experience and as such it will only get better with time. I have never claimed that in terms of the CSM, we would get it right in the first try.
I wasn't aware that CCP as a whole suffered from learning disabilities. Just how many tries do you need? Or is that also one of those "magic hand waving" moments where CCP makes some spurious claim based on nothing but their own opinions and decisions?
THAT is exactly the problem that so many have with CCP. We pay ungodly you amounts of money, partly because we love the game, and partly because of the supposed interaction between players and CCP. Almost everything that CCP does suggests that CCP has little or no interest in what the players have to say, because even when CCP does acknowledge petitions brought by the CSM and the players, such as the 100km look at limit, they almost never do anything about it.
In addition to that, CCP's concept of game balance is always explained by making some change and then stating that that is because of "balance" without explaining why that improves balance, because almost without fail, with some minor exceptions, those changes almost always bring about huge imbalances to the game that CCP then has to change in a later iteration.
I cannot tell you how many times, I, as a primarily Minmatar trained character have felt like quitting the game and how many times I have cancelled my subscription out of pure frustration at the amount of time it took to be able to do anything of value in the game only to find out that CCP had once again made changes (the infamous nerfbat) that have played havoc with my training and game play. The Naglfar, buffed, then nerfed again. Motherships? Why even bother to train capitals when it means spending months paying hard earned money to CCP with a good chance that things will go south before you reach that goal? Minmatar BS? If sniping wasn't our strong point in the past it will only get worse in the future. The tempest, that has been the source of so many petitions to CSM and huge multipage threads in the CSM section of the forums? It was useless before and will remain so in the future, because the changes that were suggested by players to the CSM, with lots of hard work and calculations, were simply ignored. Once again. And why can most of our ships fit missiles when none of them are bonused to use them?
And it's not just the Minnies. Almost all the races in game have sections which are next to useless in game, such as rocket ships, easy to train, but useless in game. It only gives one the impression that CCP is specifically trying to get people to spend even more money on the game by any means possible. If you wanted us all to fly Amarr, then why don't you just say so?
And this is only about ships. There are so many issues which are simply never addressed. Neutral repping? Check. Ewar drone balance? Check. Etc.
And it's not as if the CSM has not been petitioning the issues to CCP. It's just that CCP, in its eternal arrogance, simply ignores what it doesn't like, and says, "Working as intended".
The CSM is a joke. If you want real player feedback, institute a system of secure voting on issues with the issues with the highest number of votes being addressed in a TRANSPARENT manner so that players can feel their voices and concerns are being listened to, because currently it's a case of "not working at all".
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.11.24 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Darriele
CSM is only as pure "stage decoration", it doesn't fulfill any roles. Recent CCP actions proves it.
So there is no reason to vote someone running for a spot in CSM. It's futile.
Not voting won't make it any better.
AFAIK, there is a button that will count your vote without you actually electing anyone.
I hope this is what all of you who won't vote did? Because otherwise there will be even less change as no one realizes that you don't like the CSM. The forum doesn't say anything. Numbers do. |
New ones
Caldari
Koln united
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Posted - 2009.11.24 11:10:00 -
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Is there realy any use in CSM?
Expect PR for CCP?
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William Caldon
Caldari
Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.24 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:52
Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:35
Originally by: Bomberlocks
whining like a little baby
Seriously dude, if you can't figure it out, quit. Take a break, do whatever. B******* at ccp for your game not being 100% fun isn't their problem. I myself took a 2 month long break, returned, went to something I had fun at before and am now really enjoying the game.
The CSM is never going to fix your issues. Learn, adapt or quit. CCP and CSM aren't going to fix it for you.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.24 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: William Caldon
Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:52
Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:35
Originally by: Bomberlocks
whining like a little baby
Seriously dude, if you can't figure it out, quit. Take a break, do whatever. B******* at ccp for your game not being 100% fun isn't their problem. I myself took a 2 month long break, returned, went to something I had fun at before and am now really enjoying the game.
The CSM is never going to fix your issues. Learn, adapt or quit. CCP and CSM aren't going to fix it for you.
That's exactly what I eventually decided to do. Don't get me wrong. I love the game, or else I wouldn't rage on like that. I think I was getting too caught up in the hatred going on in the projectile changes and tempest threads, and my time is so limited these days that I was starting chafe at the leash. Taking a break is a good idea.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.11.25 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: New ones
Is there realy any use in CSM?
Expect PR for CCP?
We could throw stuff at them, i guess.
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Michelle Blair
Defiance Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.26 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Maximus Profitus
Some people here tend to react in a rather childish way, threatening to quit even before you know what the new plan (or the actual implementation) will be like.
I've been talking to a friend of mine who is a hard-core PVP-er and has experience with MOM's, and even he says the MOM's as first planned were way overpowered. And yes ofcourse most of the tester agreed on the changes initially proposed, because most of them probably were either MOM pilots or those who would benefit from it. Also the people on the forums in the threadnaughts are also only a minority of the players, not everyone is on the forums and a lot of people probably couldn't care less about MOM's as long as they are balanced.
So there are more players than just the MOM users and CCP also needs to take them into account, and while it would probably be fun for the minority of MOM users, it also has to stay fun for the rest of the players. So I for one am glad CCP does not just listen to a minority, but also takes Eve as a whole into account with all its aspects working together.
Also give Nozh a break, good chance Abathur was on the same team making the decision together for not going through with the changes. Probably a slight case of shooting the messenger.
I still have full confidence in CCP and also think the CSM is very usefull eventhough they don't have a final say in the matter, they did bring some changes that mattered (though they seem to be easily forgotten...).
Nozh not being solely responsible for this idiocy doesn't make me want him gone any less, it just means more heads need to roll. And Nozh with his "use target painters" suggestion as a workaround to the massive dread nerf disqualifies him to be part of ANYTHING to do with capital ships, since he clearly has no idea how they work. If he doesn't know how they work or how we fight them, how the hell can he proclaim ANYTHING they do balanced or unbalanced? If the rest of his "team" lack the same knowledge, how are they any better? Why should be be feel any better having them imply to us that Nozh isn't the only ignoramus on that team responsible for capital ship changes?
And I have quit, this is the last account that hasn't had it's time run out yet. The CSM is useless. It doesn't have any say. It exists only to give CCP the feedback they want to hear. It becomes more and more a "superfanboi" club who can see no wrong with the Devs or the direction of the game with each new CSM.
As far as shooting the messenger, we shoot him because they haven't given us any other target. They still haven't given any sort of a rational explanation for these 11th hour changes, thus leaving us no choice but to continue to shoot the messenger.
The "target painters" that are our credit cards will work.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Michelle Blair
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And I have quit, this is the last account that hasn't had it's time run out yet. The CSM is useless. It doesn't have any say. It exists only to give CCP the feedback they want to hear. It becomes more and more a "superfanboi" club who can see no wrong with the Devs or the direction of the game with each new CSM.
As far as shooting the messenger, we shoot him because they haven't given us any other target. They still haven't given any sort of a rational explanation for these 11th hour changes, thus leaving us no choice but to continue to shoot the messenger.
The "target painters" that are our credit cards will work.
This is absolutely true. Money is the only thing that CCP understands, and tbqfh, quitting is the only real leverage we have on CCP.
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Hive Cougar
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Posted - 2009.12.20 08:54:00 -
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After voting in CSM3 and seeing how little they achieved I wont be voting anymore. Maybe if CCP fix some of the basic issues that are found in Jita Speakers Corner I might look at voting again.
To me its a farce having read the logs available.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.12.23 18:32:00 -
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it feels frustrating to vote when nothing is gonna change.
exploits still exist after YEARS and no one does anything even if they were widely known matters.
hi sec will still exist and further "carebearism" is only encouraged more.
etc.
it does not matter how many CSM representatives you would get on your side or whatsoever if majority of players just want to do it easy way and ccp looks at money flow. no one cares if pirates dont get loot, it's only fair. they're griefers.
i know i am not completely alone with this even if this might sound ******ed to majority.... so no much votes from me and my 3254345.636 alts
oh and nice job with dominion... small alliances taking space let me smile a bit...
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