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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2009.11.20 18:08:00 - [1] It's that time of year again: CSM election time! If you haven't voted yet, you should. And if you're looking for some inspiration, check out CCP Diagoras' blog on the matter. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.11.20 18:19:00 - [2] Confirming I have voted on all my 31,337 accounts Secure 3rd party service

lolzrelgions	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:00:00 - [3] Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:07:00 - [4] Not trusting CCP with the CSM and any form of player feedback any more. Not after CCP Nozh screwed up that badly and no one from CCP stepped in to stop him or even to explain anything. Sorry no, not going to believe you any more.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:17:00 - [5] As has been stated previously, the CSM has no official power and it cannot force CCP to implement anything. That said the CSM does have a role in putting the players' point of view to CCP, bringing issues to their attention and can keep pressure on them. This is probably not the response people want to hear right now... Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
Aethrwolf Caldari Podrratu	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:17:00 - [6] Voted, but tending to agree with the sentiments expressed in posts 3 and 4. Absolutely everything is subjective.
Zaiyo Modi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:27:00 - [7] <- Not voting this time around. Maybe next time.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:32:00 - [8] Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce? This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say? ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Nightbird SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:34:00 - [9] Quick, Quick!!! Post another blog that tries to push the Mothership cluster-f*ck off the top of the blog list. I voted, by the way.
Darriele Minmatar	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:38:00 - [10] CSM is only as pure "stage decoration", it doesn't fulfill any roles. Recent CCP actions proves it. So there is no reason to vote someone running for a spot in CSM. It's futile.
Clone 1 Occision	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:40:00 - [11] During the development of my vote I have been looking at the whole of CSM and in particular the voting--reviewing their place on these election and my goals for them as candidates. I am unhappy with their role they currently occupy in practice and after much deliberation and thinking I am not any happier with the direction I was taking my vote. In too short a time I've chosen a candidate that doesn't have a unique enough role or serve a diverse enough purpose. These are massive votes that require amazing amounts thinking to decide. They are part of the power equation of EVE's unique and important Alliance Warfare. As a voter I need to take a few steps back, deliberate more (with your help), go through more testing (also with your help) and really perfect the vote choice. Regrettably, I've come to the point where I can no longer commit to making a choice of candidate they're supposed to be for Dominion. However, I are going to continue refining my thinking, keep our welding torches hot and you should see my vote undocking from the shipyards again once we and the community are happy with their candidate. This means NO VOTE WILL BE MADE TO CANTIDATES IN DOMINION. Since they are part of the original rebalancing effort, the DEPLOYMENT OF more VOTES WILL ALSO BE POSPOSTPONED. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce? This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say? The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:50:00 - [13] Abraham Stain for CSM ! --------
Jack Gilligan THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:51:00 - [14] Not voting AT ALL for CSM is a vote of no confidence in CCP. I urge everyone to NOT vote at all. The CSM is useless in preventing CCP from making disastrous, NGE like changes to this game, and they also don't even serve the purpose they were originally proposed for anyway, which was being a player watchdog to prevent any more T20's. If you vote for CSM you are only voting on which superfanboi gets a free trip to Iceland... on YOUR dime. We pay for it after all.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:55:00 - [15] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce? This. The CSM has absolutely zero credibility when you show such complete disregard for massive amounts of near-unanimous feedback from the players. Why should we believe the CSM is anything more than a publicity stunt when you show no signs of listening to what your players have to say? The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about? I am talking about the fact that CCP is currently ignoring 100+ pages of near-unanimous feedback that their supercapital balance changes are absolutely insane, and CCP Nozh is not in any way qualified to make them. If CCP is willing to ignore the players in this case, why should we have any reason to believe that they will pay attention to the CSM on any issue that they don't already agree on? ----------- FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
Silver Tongues	Posted - 2009.11.20 19:58:00 - [16] Originally by: LaVista Vista The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about? I believe he's speaking about CCP Abathur (sp?) and his original redesign for Super Carriers, which received much support. CCP Nozh was the next dev to reply to that thread and had different changes for the Super Carriers which caused an uproar. Heaven forbid that Abathur and Nozh are working on the same scrum team and both are sharing ideas about where the Super Carriers could go, yet Nozh was most likely set up as a scape goat so the population would freak out at him instead of Abathur or anybody else. For those players who are freaking out about "CCP not listening to players" why don't you go read through the original Sov change dev blog threadnaught, then read through the new one and see how much the players influenced everything. Just because CCP doesn't like the way a ship's Niche is going, doesn't mean you don't get a say in what happens. You do, you really do. They're making these changes to make the game better for you. But they have to agree with the changes too, which they obviously didn't with the Super Carriers, so get over yourselves. Back on topic, I'll make my voting decision Soon (tm).
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Merin Ryskin I am talking about the fact that CCP is currently ignoring 100+ pages of near-unanimous feedback that their supercapital balance changes are absolutely insane, and CCP Nozh is not in any way qualified to make them. If CCP is willing to ignore the players in this case, why should we have any reason to believe that they will pay attention to the CSM on any issue that they don't already agree on? Your argument is poor. First of all, there's a large difference between random rambling on the forum and discussing with the responsible people face to face. I'm not saying that CCP is doing a great job with the mothership changes when they killed Abathur's plan. But the fact that CCP is not being communicative about the issue at hand doesn't mean that the CSM is worthless. Also, if you had done any sort of research about the CSM, you'd know that we managed to convince CCP that a skill queue was a good idea.
p diddle	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Silver Tongues Originally by: LaVista Vista The CSM had no say on the titan changes as far as I'm aware. So what are you talking about? I believe he's speaking about CCP Abathur (sp?) and his original redesign for Super Carriers, which received much support. CCP Nozh was the next dev to reply to that thread and had different changes for the Super Carriers which caused an uproar. Heaven forbid that Abathur and Nozh are working on the same scrum team and both are sharing ideas about where the Super Carriers could go, yet Nozh was most likely set up as a scape goat so the population would freak out at him instead of Abathur or anybody else. For those players who are freaking out about "CCP not listening to players" why don't you go read through the original Sov change dev blog threadnaught, then read through the new one and see how much the players influenced everything. Just because CCP doesn't like the way a ship's Niche is going, doesn't mean you don't get a say in what happens. You do, you really do. They're making these changes to make the game better for you. But they have to agree with the changes too, which they obviously didn't with the Super Carriers, so get over yourselves. Back on topic, I'll make my voting decision Soon (tm). You should really read dev blogs better. You are about 5 days behind.
Orgell Evaan Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:05:00 - [19] I, too, am refraining from voting in this year's Collection of Simulated Managers elections. I honestly have better things to do with my time than waste it voting people into ineffectual positions. CCP has shown that the concerns of the CSM carry as much weight as the complaints of cattle in the chute outside the slaughterhouse.
Silver Tongues	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:13:00 - [20] Originally by: p diddle You should really read dev blogs better. You are about 5 days behind. How so? In the past 5 days there have been 4 dev blogs including this one. One of the dev blogs I mentioned falls within this timeframe, and the outcome of that dev blog was changed by player opinions from the previous blog. /I just got trolled, huh?
Herpes Sweatrash	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:23:00 - [21] God willing may this thread also turn into 100+ pages of delicious salty tears.
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:36:00 - [22] Waste of time the first year and nothing has changed. Pointless pseudo democratic talking shops that achieve nothing of consequence aren't just a waste of time but insulting.
Zhike Jonze Caldari FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:45:00 - [23] Sorry, not this time. recent events with capital ship balancing has shown that it is a waste of time for me to vote. Does it matter?
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Kalestra Cable Pointless pseudo democratic talking shops that achieve nothing of consequence aren't just a waste of time but insulting. Are we talking about forums or the CSM now, I lost track I can understand people don't like the lack of answers on why changes have been rejected only a few weeks before release, but posting rubbish and calling for the Dev's scalp isn't going to help change CCPs mind. With the elections in progress I'm not sure if CSM 3 are still active, but if so now would be a good time for them and CCP to have a meeting to come to a more acceptable compromise or at least get some answers to some key questions... Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.11.20 20:59:00 - [25] Too much corruption in the CSM's. /me waits for for the thread to flood with, "But there is corruption in real life politics so that means it is ok to do it here." tears.
Bilbo II Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:02:00 - [26] Why bother to vote? CCP deletes any response we give them. Why would we think they listen to csm?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's. So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt? Interesting.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Bilbo II Why bother to vote? CCP deletes any response we give them. Why would we think they listen to csm? Because the CSM might put forward rational points and not 100page threadnaughts of spam where the good points are lost in the noise? It is fair to say people are upset, but it isn't going to get you anywhere with CCP just raging about it. Rational representation is required and I understand whilst the CSM have no power to compel CCP to make changes etc that any issue raised by them is supposed to get a response from CCP. Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
Grillmeister Grim	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:11:00 - [29] Mass censorship doesn't really encourage me to trust CCP that they really mean it with all the sweet talk about player feedback and what not. It only shows that they too easily ignore posts which are unwanted or do not fit into their mindset. So what should be different with the CSM? Just because it is 'face to face' talk a few times a year? LOL, how naive can you be? Grow up.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Grillmeister Grim Mass censorship doesn't really encourage me to trust CCP that they really mean it with all the sweet talk about player feedback and what not. Because if you vote for the right candidates, it will be taken care of.
Kalestra Cable Caldari Faust Industries	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:22:00 - [31] Originally by: TeaDaze Rational representation is required and I understand whilst the CSM have no power to compel CCP to make changes etc that any issue raised by them is supposed to get a response from CCP. The CSM wasn't created to give a rational voice to the forums or players, it was created to be a shield to hide behind when CCP ends up getting caught doing something it shouldn't. No matter how well intentioned the people who get their power blocs to vote them in might be we're all fanbois and the slightest sign of a dev paying a little attention and every sensible/rational thought of constructive argument gets burnt away until you end up being the rubber stamp that wasn't required in the first place. As I said previously a waste of time.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Grillmeister Grim So what should be different with the CSM? Just because it is 'face to face' talk a few times a year? LOL, how naive can you be? Grow up. If you cannot see why CCP are more likely to be receptive to constructive feedback from player reps (who have filtered the player comments into a concise form) than a raging threadnaught then I can't help you. I agree that censorship isn't wanted. However there are forum rules in place and if people insist on posting unconstructive spam which deliberately breaks those rules then they will get their posts edited or removed. Vote TeaDaze for CSM #4
Orgell Evaan Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:30:00 - [33] Originally by: TeaDaze Originally by: Grillmeister Grim So what should be different with the CSM? Just because it is 'face to face' talk a few times a year? LOL, how naive can you be? Grow up. If you cannot see why CCP are more likely to be receptive to constructive feedback from player reps (who have filtered the player comments into a concise form) than a raging threadnaught then I can't help you. I agree that censorship isn't wanted. However there are forum rules in place and if people insist on posting unconstructive spam which deliberately breaks those rules then they will get their posts edited or removed. Perhaps if it took less than 24 hours between regurgitations of incorrect information, there would be no emoragespam. When someone doesn't know what they're talking about, won't listen to people that do, and continues to reiterate those incorrect assumptions as the basis for their decisions before vanishing in s cloud of deleted posts, there is a considerably smaller chance of rational discussion.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:33:00 - [34] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's. So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt? Interesting. He added to it yes. He was not the only problem in the last CSM. Simply put CSM is a waste of time. CCP says that several of the upcoming changes are because of the CSM but then the CSM is screaming that what is happening is not what they suggested. So you tell me, which group is lying? CCP or CSM
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 21:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's. So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt? Interesting. He added to it yes. He was not the only problem in the last CSM. Simply put CSM is a waste of time. CCP says that several of the upcoming changes are because of the CSM but then the CSM is screaming that what is happening is not what they suggested. So you tell me, which group is lying? CCP or CSM You didn't explain how the CSM is corrupt other than Larkonis.
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2009.11.20 22:20:00 - [36] I already voted, but I'm tempted to let it be the last time. The feeling that CSM is just a farce to keep the players placated with empty promises is growing stronger by the minute ---
Bagdon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.11.20 23:09:00 - [37] Originally by: LaVista Vista You didn't explain how the CSM is corrupt other than Larkonis. I'm pretty sure one of the previous CSM delegates was a director who took out salary from the EBANK scam.
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2009.11.20 23:15:00 - [38] Originally by: lolzrelgions Edited by: lolzrelgions on 20/11/2009 19:04:31 CCP Nozh has shown CSM either don't do their job or you don't listen so what is the point of this farce? I beg to disagree. For over a year I've been on the CSM (CSM 2 alt, CSM 3 main [running for CSM 4 btw]), I'll tell you this: Everytime we've had conversations with Chronotis or Abathur about 0.0 just about any of the people we met in iceland, the only thing that transpired was mutual understanding (sometimes disagreement, but they couldn't be faulted for not knowing the game they were designing). We didn't have much contribution in the Titan changes (although we've brought their rebalancing/repurposing to the table), although we did to various degrees on the rest. I'm as infuriated as most of the people responding to the threads, not because they ignored us or anything, but because at the 11th hour, after we were in agreement on most things, everything got changed. The mom [lack of] changes? The titan nerf? the nag [re]nerf? they're all things I'm majorly ****ed about. And we never talked with this Nozh dude, whereever they may have pulled him from, I don't know... You may not be happy with the result here (and I'm not either), but don't ignore everything else the CSM has accomplished. The CSM is a venue for communication and progress, and it has to be pursued, or do you prefer to be ignored in the forums? It's much harder for one to ignore someone on a personal basis than just not reading the forums... My 0.02 ISK Meissa Anunthiel There is no signature
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.20 23:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Bagdon Originally by: LaVista Vista You didn't explain how the CSM is corrupt other than Larkonis. I'm pretty sure one of the previous CSM delegates was a director who took out salary from the EBANK scam. Well, such a shame you don't have your fact straight when you can't make a point worth anything.
Misaki Yuuko	Posted - 2009.11.21 00:52:00 - [40] The only feedback CCP takes from playerbase is the one of positive reinforcement: they tend to reinforce points they agree totally with playerbase but dismiss things they don't agree with. Thus all this PR farce has to end. And yes, things like what happend with Nozh is just an other demonstration of this phenomenon. I'm not voting this time with 200 accounts and anyway allready canceled 199.
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2009.11.21 03:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Nightbird Quick, Quick!!! Post another blog that tries to push the Mothership cluster-f*ck off the top of the blog list. Lol, my thoughts exactly when I saw this. CSM's apparent impotence aside I voted a while ago already, not voting is the only sure way to not make CSM and thus the playerbase stronger.
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.11.21 11:53:00 - [42] CSM should strive for a right to VETO changes pherhaps backed up by a 66% majority of votes of the players. Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2009.11.21 14:24:00 - [43] Originally by: CCP Fallout It's that time of year again: CSM election time! If you haven't voted yet, you should. And if you're looking for some inspiration, check out CCP Diagoras' blog on the matter. Well, unfortunately none of the candidates that took the time to create a webpage for their candidacy seem to represent the interests of the state.
Marlona Sky D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:07:00 - [44] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's. So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt? Interesting. He added to it yes. He was not the only problem in the last CSM. Simply put CSM is a waste of time. CCP says that several of the upcoming changes are because of the CSM but then the CSM is screaming that what is happening is not what they suggested. So you tell me, which group is lying? CCP or CSM You didn't explain how the CSM is corrupt other than Larkonis. Give it a rest vista, CSM is nothing short of a ****ing joke and you know it. Let it go man.
Doc Robertson	Posted - 2009.11.22 11:31:00 - [45] I gave my vote to lady #4. She promised to save the pandas
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.22 13:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Marlona Sky Give it a rest vista, CSM is nothing short of a ****ing joke and you know it. Let it go man. The fact you don't actually answer the question speaks volumes, doesn't it?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2009.11.22 14:27:00 - [47] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Marlona Sky Too much corruption in the CSM's. So the fact that Larkonis broke the rules make the CSM too corrupt? Interesting. He added to it yes. He was not the only problem in the last CSM. Simply put CSM is a waste of time. CCP says that several of the upcoming changes are because of the CSM but then the CSM is screaming that what is happening is not what they suggested. So you tell me, which group is lying? CCP or CSM You didn't explain how the CSM is corrupt other than Larkonis. Were you asleep when Mazz posted in the assembly hall that she would gladly bring up any issue as long as someone gave her a shiny GTC for it? Please, CSM 3 was a joke, and everyone with more than three braincells knows it. Why should we expect CSM 4 to be any different? If the CSM don't take themselves seriously, why should we? --Vel In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.22 14:30:00 - [48] Originally by: De'Veldrin Were you asleep when Mazz posted in the assembly hall that she would gladly bring up any issue as long as someone gave her a shiny GTC for it? Please, CSM 3 was a joke, and everyone with more than three braincells knows it. Why should we expect CSM 4 to be any different? If the CSM don't take themselves seriously, why should we? You realize that you got trolled, right?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:00:00 - [49] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: De'Veldrin Were you asleep when Mazz posted in the assembly hall that she would gladly bring up any issue as long as someone gave her a shiny GTC for it? Please, CSM 3 was a joke, and everyone with more than three braincells knows it. Why should we expect CSM 4 to be any different? If the CSM don't take themselves seriously, why should we? You realize that you got trolled, right? And you realize that proves the point of my last line, right? --Vel In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:34:00 - [50] Originally by: De'Veldrin And you realize that proves the point of my last line, right? The point is that Mazz is a joke for doing it. But you realize that paying ISK for having a person raise an issue has absolutely no impact on anything, right?
BANDIT BACKDOOR Minmatar Minmatar Gay Slave Right League	Posted - 2009.11.22 15:39:00 - [51] Unfortunately my main got banned for explaining how eve-search caches the eve forums, so Ill have to use this silly little alt :P Anyhow, while I do agree with lavista that 90% of you are silly little whiners, I think a question should be asked regarding the viability of the CSM as a representing body. Does the CSM bring more focus and more stress on the issues that are important to us? more than a 100page threadnaught? are the issues brought up by the CSM being dealt with? Is there a list of the issues raised by the CSM, and how many of them went into effect in the game(or being worked on now)? Can the CSM actually affect anything, or are they a purely representative body? Do we need a group of players of to represent the rest when we have direct contact with the devs/GMs/etc through the forums? And now with [tinfoil hat]: Is the CSM just meant to quiet us? give the "moral" backing to CCP saying "oh we don't care about the forums, real important stuff will come through the CSM"? is this whole BS just meant to drop the responsability of the dev to collect feed on players backs? Is the CSM a glorified secritery group? [/tinfoil hat] At any case, I have nothing against the CSM, and Ill be voting with both my accounts a bit later today - but I wonder if my votes really mean anything, and if the CSM will really achieve its goals of being a bridge between players and devs. This current whining/flaming mood has started due to eve players and the dev failing to communicate - and IMO since thats the CSMs field, they have failed in their jobs.
Silver Tongues	Posted - 2009.11.22 19:35:00 - [52] Originally by: BANDIT BACKDOOR Edited by: BANDIT BACKDOOR on 22/11/2009 16:04:05 Unfortunately my main got banned for explaining how eve-search caches the eve forums, so Ill have to use this silly little alt :P Anyhow, while I do agree with lavista that 90% of you are silly little whiners, I think a question should be asked regarding the viability of the CSM as a representing body. Does the CSM bring more focus and more stress on the issues that are important to us? more than a 100page threadnaught? are the issues brought up by the CSM being dealt with? Is there a list of the issues raised by the CSM, and how many of them went into effect in the game(or being worked on now)? Can the CSM actually affect anything, or are they a purely representative body? Do we need a group of players of to represent the rest when we have direct contact with the devs/GMs/etc through the forums? And now with [tinfoil hat]: Is the CSM just meant to quiet us? give the "moral" backing to CCP saying "oh we don't care about the forums, real important stuff will come through the CSM"? is this whole BS just meant to drop the responsability of the dev to collect feed on players backs? Is the CSM a glorified secritery group? [/tinfoil hat] At any case, I have nothing against the CSM, and Ill be voting with both my accounts a bit later today - but I wonder if my votes really mean anything, and if the CSM will really achieve its goals of being a bridge between players and devs. This current whining/flaming mood has started due to eve players and the dev failing to communicate - and IMO since thats the CSMs field, they have failed in their jobs. P.S decided to vote in the end - 1 account for Alekseyev Karrde, 1 for Herschel Yamamoto. I know it's not really a list, but here's 2 dev blogs with issues brought up by the CSM that eventually made it in-game. Dev Blog 1 Dev Blog 2 I would like to see an Evelopia page dedicated to this type of information.
Serenity Steele Dynamic Data Distribution	Posted - 2009.11.23 10:58:00 - [53] It's quite amazing to see comments in this thread on conspiracy and reasons not to vote. The CSM has created and delivers on the opportunity for actual support and trust in elected representatives. Please check you RL paranoias at the door. The issue of CCP delivering transparency on the impact (eg. Agile Backlog re-prioritization) is indeed an issue; One that the next Council themselves (hopefully myself included) can and should address. CCP are very open in their discussion, and have a common intent to improve the impact, communication and value of CSM for all EVE Players. If this is in any doubt, it is up to the CSM to make that clear to the players! And of course, if you don't like any of the candidates, then put forward yourself, or people you do believe would be suitable. ≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store. CSM 4 Candidate - Vote for Serenity Steele
something somethingdark	Posted - 2009.11.23 11:03:00 - [54] Would have voted for that guy what tried to pull a fastone since he represents the majority of what eve players are like and want to do. Will not vote for anybodys real life name i now know for no reason whatsoever. I realize that CCP has to know that but why does the rest ?

CCP Xhagen	Posted - 2009.11.23 11:58:00 - [55] The CSM as a process that does work. I do realize that two very important changes that are currently in the spotlight do not support my claim, but looking at it in a larger perspective does suggest that it works. This is still a learning experience and as such it will only get better with time. I have never claimed that in terms of the CSM, we would get it right in the first try. ____________________________ EVE Online CCP Games

Jack Gilligan THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY	Posted - 2009.11.23 13:03:00 - [56] Originally by: CCP Xhagen The CSM as a process that does work. I do realize that two very important changes that are currently in the spotlight do not support my claim, but looking at it in a larger perspective does suggest that it works. This is still a learning experience and as such it will only get better with time. I have never claimed that in terms of the CSM, we would get it right in the first try. It does not work, and it's proven to be nothing but a "superfanboi" club. Everything you are shoving down our throats with Dominion proves you don't give a crap about what we think or what we want. So, I choose to NOT vote for the joke that is the CSM, but vote in another, more important way. Check the status of my 4 accounts to see how I voted. With my feet and with my wallet. CANCEL Dominion and I will uncancel my accounts.
Maximus Profitus	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:39:00 - [57] Some people here tend to react in a rather childish way, threatening to quit even before you know what the new plan (or the actual implementation) will be like. I've been talking to a friend of mine who is a hard-core PVP-er and has experience with MOM's, and even he says the MOM's as first planned were way overpowered. And yes ofcourse most of the tester agreed on the changes initially proposed, because most of them probably were either MOM pilots or those who would benefit from it. Also the people on the forums in the threadnaughts are also only a minority of the players, not everyone is on the forums and a lot of people probably couldn't care less about MOM's as long as they are balanced. So there are more players than just the MOM users and CCP also needs to take them into account, and while it would probably be fun for the minority of MOM users, it also has to stay fun for the rest of the players. So I for one am glad CCP does not just listen to a minority, but also takes Eve as a whole into account with all its aspects working together. Also give Nozh a break, good chance Abathur was on the same team making the decision together for not going through with the changes. Probably a slight case of shooting the messenger. I still have full confidence in CCP and also think the CSM is very usefull eventhough they don't have a final say in the matter, they did bring some changes that mattered (though they seem to be easily forgotten...).
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.11.23 14:43:00 - [58] Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 23/11/2009 14:43:27 While the recent mothership changes are impopular and did not involve the CSM at all, not voting at all is not the best way to solve this. The CSM is not perfect but it is better than nothing and we have seen the process work (skill queues, fuel bays, etc). The only way we can improve the process is by constantly working on it. The people you elect now will most likely discuss mothership and titan changes with CCP, so choose wisely. For those who feel there are too many candidates: Vote Match! can help you generate a short list :) Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
Bomberlocks Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.23 19:31:00 - [59] I just voted. Fat lot of good it will do me, though. It feel that CCP is so adamant in pushing their own agenda that I have more or less wasted one and a half years of training on this character. CCP suffer from extremely poor customer relations and an inability to admit to their own mistakes or to acknowledge what input player feedback has on them, if any, as well as an almost total lack of transparency in both game development matters and the way any controversies are handled. If CCP were really interested in player feedback, they would publish a secure method of voting on game development requests and then follow that lead. As that could very possibly lead to true balance in game, as opposed to CCP's FOTM ideas of balance, CCP will never do that. That said, CCP is a business and is free to develop their own product in their own direction (just as I am free to stop paying them for that product), but I honestly feel that the pseudo player friendliness and the blatant lie that players have any major feedback on the game only serves to discredit them more than they already have been.
Kiri Serrensun	Posted - 2009.11.23 21:46:00 - [60] Voting, because while I don't have strong emotions about motherships, the way the changes were announced and feedback was handled was terrible--it's plain that more communication with players is needed for CCP's sake, not less.
Niraia Gallente Starcakes	Posted - 2009.11.23 21:57:00 - [61] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal For those who feel there are too many candidates: Vote Match! can help you generate a short list :) "The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request." - Maybe this was the expected response to my answers? :)
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.11.24 04:44:00 - [62] just refresh the page :P Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
Bomberlocks Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:55:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Xhagen The CSM as a process that does work. I do realize that two very important changes that are currently in the spotlight do not support my claim, but looking at it in a larger perspective does suggest that it works. This is still a learning experience and as such it will only get better with time. I have never claimed that in terms of the CSM, we would get it right in the first try. I wasn't aware that CCP as a whole suffered from learning disabilities. Just how many tries do you need? Or is that also one of those "magic hand waving" moments where CCP makes some spurious claim based on nothing but their own opinions and decisions? THAT is exactly the problem that so many have with CCP. We pay ungodly you amounts of money, partly because we love the game, and partly because of the supposed interaction between players and CCP. Almost everything that CCP does suggests that CCP has little or no interest in what the players have to say, because even when CCP does acknowledge petitions brought by the CSM and the players, such as the 100km look at limit, they almost never do anything about it. In addition to that, CCP's concept of game balance is always explained by making some change and then stating that that is because of "balance" without explaining why that improves balance, because almost without fail, with some minor exceptions, those changes almost always bring about huge imbalances to the game that CCP then has to change in a later iteration. I cannot tell you how many times, I, as a primarily Minmatar trained character have felt like quitting the game and how many times I have cancelled my subscription out of pure frustration at the amount of time it took to be able to do anything of value in the game only to find out that CCP had once again made changes (the infamous nerfbat) that have played havoc with my training and game play. The Naglfar, buffed, then nerfed again. Motherships? Why even bother to train capitals when it means spending months paying hard earned money to CCP with a good chance that things will go south before you reach that goal? Minmatar BS? If sniping wasn't our strong point in the past it will only get worse in the future. The tempest, that has been the source of so many petitions to CSM and huge multipage threads in the CSM section of the forums? It was useless before and will remain so in the future, because the changes that were suggested by players to the CSM, with lots of hard work and calculations, were simply ignored. Once again. And why can most of our ships fit missiles when none of them are bonused to use them? And it's not just the Minnies. Almost all the races in game have sections which are next to useless in game, such as rocket ships, easy to train, but useless in game. It only gives one the impression that CCP is specifically trying to get people to spend even more money on the game by any means possible. If you wanted us all to fly Amarr, then why don't you just say so? And this is only about ships. There are so many issues which are simply never addressed. Neutral repping? Check. Ewar drone balance? Check. Etc. And it's not as if the CSM has not been petitioning the issues to CCP. It's just that CCP, in its eternal arrogance, simply ignores what it doesn't like, and says, "Working as intended". The CSM is a joke. If you want real player feedback, institute a system of secure voting on issues with the issues with the highest number of votes being addressed in a TRANSPARENT manner so that players can feel their voices and concerns are being listened to, because currently it's a case of "not working at all".
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.11.24 10:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Darriele CSM is only as pure "stage decoration", it doesn't fulfill any roles. Recent CCP actions proves it. So there is no reason to vote someone running for a spot in CSM. It's futile. Not voting won't make it any better. AFAIK, there is a button that will count your vote without you actually electing anyone. I hope this is what all of you who won't vote did? Because otherwise there will be even less change as no one realizes that you don't like the CSM. The forum doesn't say anything. Numbers do.
New ones Caldari Koln united	Posted - 2009.11.24 11:10:00 - [65] Is there realy any use in CSM? Expect PR for CCP?
William Caldon Caldari Golden Cross Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.24 15:33:00 - [66] Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:52 Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:35 Originally by: Bomberlocks whining like a little baby Seriously dude, if you can't figure it out, quit. Take a break, do whatever. B******* at ccp for your game not being 100% fun isn't their problem. I myself took a 2 month long break, returned, went to something I had fun at before and am now really enjoying the game. The CSM is never going to fix your issues. Learn, adapt or quit. CCP and CSM aren't going to fix it for you.
Bomberlocks Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.11.24 20:20:00 - [67] Originally by: William Caldon Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:52 Edited by: William Caldon on 24/11/2009 15:33:35 Originally by: Bomberlocks whining like a little baby Seriously dude, if you can't figure it out, quit. Take a break, do whatever. B******* at ccp for your game not being 100% fun isn't their problem. I myself took a 2 month long break, returned, went to something I had fun at before and am now really enjoying the game. The CSM is never going to fix your issues. Learn, adapt or quit. CCP and CSM aren't going to fix it for you. That's exactly what I eventually decided to do. Don't get me wrong. I love the game, or else I wouldn't rage on like that. I think I was getting too caught up in the hatred going on in the projectile changes and tempest threads, and my time is so limited these days that I was starting chafe at the leash. Taking a break is a good idea.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.11.25 21:44:00 - [68] Originally by: New ones Is there realy any use in CSM? Expect PR for CCP? We could throw stuff at them, i guess. __________________
Michelle Blair Defiance Corporation	Posted - 2009.11.26 13:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Maximus Profitus Some people here tend to react in a rather childish way, threatening to quit even before you know what the new plan (or the actual implementation) will be like. I've been talking to a friend of mine who is a hard-core PVP-er and has experience with MOM's, and even he says the MOM's as first planned were way overpowered. And yes ofcourse most of the tester agreed on the changes initially proposed, because most of them probably were either MOM pilots or those who would benefit from it. Also the people on the forums in the threadnaughts are also only a minority of the players, not everyone is on the forums and a lot of people probably couldn't care less about MOM's as long as they are balanced. So there are more players than just the MOM users and CCP also needs to take them into account, and while it would probably be fun for the minority of MOM users, it also has to stay fun for the rest of the players. So I for one am glad CCP does not just listen to a minority, but also takes Eve as a whole into account with all its aspects working together. Also give Nozh a break, good chance Abathur was on the same team making the decision together for not going through with the changes. Probably a slight case of shooting the messenger. I still have full confidence in CCP and also think the CSM is very usefull eventhough they don't have a final say in the matter, they did bring some changes that mattered (though they seem to be easily forgotten...). Nozh not being solely responsible for this idiocy doesn't make me want him gone any less, it just means more heads need to roll. And Nozh with his "use target painters" suggestion as a workaround to the massive dread nerf disqualifies him to be part of ANYTHING to do with capital ships, since he clearly has no idea how they work. If he doesn't know how they work or how we fight them, how the hell can he proclaim ANYTHING they do balanced or unbalanced? If the rest of his "team" lack the same knowledge, how are they any better? Why should be be feel any better having them imply to us that Nozh isn't the only ignoramus on that team responsible for capital ship changes? And I have quit, this is the last account that hasn't had it's time run out yet. The CSM is useless. It doesn't have any say. It exists only to give CCP the feedback they want to hear. It becomes more and more a "superfanboi" club who can see no wrong with the Devs or the direction of the game with each new CSM. As far as shooting the messenger, we shoot him because they haven't given us any other target. They still haven't given any sort of a rational explanation for these 11th hour changes, thus leaving us no choice but to continue to shoot the messenger. The "target painters" that are our credit cards will work.
Bomberlocks Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.12.01 17:54:00 - [70] Originally by: Michelle Blair .... And I have quit, this is the last account that hasn't had it's time run out yet. The CSM is useless. It doesn't have any say. It exists only to give CCP the feedback they want to hear. It becomes more and more a "superfanboi" club who can see no wrong with the Devs or the direction of the game with each new CSM. As far as shooting the messenger, we shoot him because they haven't given us any other target. They still haven't given any sort of a rational explanation for these 11th hour changes, thus leaving us no choice but to continue to shoot the messenger. The "target painters" that are our credit cards will work. This is absolutely true. Money is the only thing that CCP understands, and tbqfh, quitting is the only real leverage we have on CCP. - Amarr-online: The game that CCP really wants you to play.
Hive Cougar	Posted - 2009.12.20 08:54:00 - [71] After voting in CSM3 and seeing how little they achieved I wont be voting anymore. Maybe if CCP fix some of the basic issues that are found in Jita Speakers Corner I might look at voting again. To me its a farce having read the logs available.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.	Posted - 2009.12.23 18:32:00 - [72] it feels frustrating to vote when nothing is gonna change. exploits still exist after YEARS and no one does anything even if they were widely known matters. hi sec will still exist and further "carebearism" is only encouraged more. etc. it does not matter how many CSM representatives you would get on your side or whatsoever if majority of players just want to do it easy way and ccp looks at money flow. no one cares if pirates dont get loot, it's only fair. they're griefers. i know i am not completely alone with this even if this might sound ******ed to majority.... so no much votes from me and my 3254345.636 alts oh and nice job with dominion... small alliances taking space let me smile a bit...

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