Watch out though or you'll have all their little propagandists on here telling you their supremacy has nothing to do with long-standing (and still unadressed) advantages CCP gifted them.

Removing EWAR only balances things on the Amarr/Minmatar front (and probably not very well either). It doesn't do **** to help us, and we're dealing with the same thing. We're starting to get a corps of people who hunt these guys but the smart ones just fit all stabs and warp off to the next plex a few systems over. Ask anyone who goes after them and they'll link you killmails with 10mn AB frigs, no gun frigs, all nanos, all of them running major plexes without a problem. We need a proper solution sooner rather than later.

Last night, I killed a Rifter.

I cannot link kill mails on these forums, so I will have to spell out the fit for everyone.

HIGHS:

None. Nothing fit here. No guns, no missiles, no salvagers or scanners. Nothing.

MEDIUMS:

1 Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
1 Small Converse Deflection Catalyzer I
1 Small Ohm Capacitor Reserve I

LOWS:

2 Mark I Modified SS Nanofiber Structure O

RIGS:

1 Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

According to the killmail, this fit costs 1,168,464.90 ISK and can be built and used by a 1-day old character.

What is the use of this kind of ship you might ask? It cannot fight, it cannot tackle, it cannot mine, it cannot scan, it cannot codebreak. I will tell you what it is used for. It is used to move moderately quickly in a 20km - 50km diameter circle.

In an Amarr Faction War Complex.

It can generate about 90,000 Tribal Liberation Force Loyalty Points in one hour. This is equivalent to about 18 Republic Fleet Firetails, or about 252,000,000 ISK at 14 million per ship, the current average price. One hour. A day-old character. A 1.1 million ISK ship.

I will leave it to the rest of you to speculate where this is leading.

Last night, I killed a Rifter.

I cannot link kill mails on these forums, so I will have to spell out the fit for everyone.

HIGHS:

None. Nothing fit here. No guns, no missiles, no salvagers or scanners. Nothing.

MEDIUMS:

1 Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
1 Small Converse Deflection Catalyzer I
1 Small Ohm Capacitor Reserve I

LOWS:

2 Mark I Modified SS Nanofiber Structure O

RIGS:

1 Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

According to the killmail, this fit costs 1,168,464.90 ISK and can be built and used by a 1-day old character.

What is the use of this kind of ship you might ask? It cannot fight, it cannot tackle, it cannot mine, it cannot scan, it cannot codebreak. I will tell you what it is used for. It is used to move moderately quickly in a 20km - 50km diameter circle.

In an Amarr Faction War Complex.

It can generate about 90,000 Tribal Liberation Force Loyalty Points in one hour. This is equivalent to about 18 Republic Fleet Firetails, or about 252,000,000 ISK at 14 million per ship, the current average price. One hour. A day-old character. A 1.1 million ISK ship.

I will leave it to the rest of you to speculate where this is leading.

Say it ain't so, Aldrith?

Broken FW mechanics giving the Minmatar an easy ride? That's been happening since they released FW.

Watch out though or you'll have all their little propagandists on here telling you their supremacy has nothing to do with long-standing (and still unadressed) advantages CCP gifted them.

I will leave it to the rest of you to speculate where this is leading.

They are removing EWAR from the NPCs on like, the 19th? So all militias will be able to pull this ****. Not a good solution, but at least it is ~balanced~. Hopefully they realize that the ~right~ solution is to require all spawned NPCs be dead for the button to successfully capture. This isn't hard in a PvP fit, is naturally conducive to fighting with in the PLEXes and would eliminate AFK and Alt farmers.

They are removing EWAR from the NPCs on like, the 19th? So all militias will be able to pull this ****. Not a good solution, but at least it is ~balanced~. Hopefully they realize that the ~right~ solution is to require all spawned NPCs be dead for the button to successfully capture. This isn't hard in a PvP fit, is naturally conducive to fighting with in the PLEXes and would eliminate AFK and Alt farmers.

Last night, I killed a Rifter.

I cannot link kill mails on these forums, so I will have to spell out the fit for everyone.

HIGHS:

None. Nothing fit here. No guns, no missiles, no salvagers or scanners. Nothing.

MEDIUMS:

1 Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
1 Small Converse Deflection Catalyzer I
1 Small Ohm Capacitor Reserve I

LOWS:

2 Mark I Modified SS Nanofiber Structure O

RIGS:

1 Small Auxiliary Thrusters I

According to the killmail, this fit costs 1,168,464.90 ISK and can be built and used by a 1-day old character.

What is the use of this kind of ship you might ask? It cannot fight, it cannot tackle, it cannot mine, it cannot scan, it cannot codebreak. I will tell you what it is used for. It is used to move moderately quickly in a 20km - 50km diameter circle.

In an Amarr Faction War Complex.

It can generate about 90,000 Tribal Liberation Force Loyalty Points in one hour. This is equivalent to about 18 Republic Fleet Firetails, or about 252,000,000 ISK at 14 million per ship, the current average price. One hour. A day-old character. A 1.1 million ISK ship.

I will leave it to the rest of you to speculate where this is leading.

I also support the notion of the "kill all npcs to finish plex" requirement. The removal of EWar solves nothing.

In connection to this. it is interesting how the ecomomist guy on Fanfest talked about the need to siphon more ISK from the economy, because there is much more coming in than coming out. So regardless of logic, what do they do? They put in another way of effortless farming for skilless individuals. Way to go.....

This does siphon ISK from the economy, because a lot of items bought with LP also have an ISK cost associated with them. FW doesn't generate money from nothing, it just generates LP, which can only be converted into ISK by buying something from the store and then selling it on the market.

A lot of ISK changes hands and ends up in the pockets of LP farmers, but the end result is a net decrease in ISK in circulation due to taxes and store costs.

Regardless the market still works on supply and demand, if they oversupply it trying to cash in on these massive LP payouts then it should tank, with the result that LP farming incomes will go down sharply, ordinary non-farmer Minnie and Caldari militia incomes will go down sharply, but everyone will have access to super cheap Minmatar and Caldari faction mods and ships.

[quote=Valravin]Sure, it takes away some ISK by additional cost and taxes. But it also creates value from almost nothing. You give 500k for nexus chip, you buy Tristan for 500k or so, you add some effortlessly gained LP and you have a 27 million worth of Comet. Maybe my reasoning is flawed as I may be missing some important morsel of logic there, but to me, it seems you generate value out of almost nothing.

Sure, it takes away some ISK by additional cost and taxes. But it also creates value from almost nothing. You give 500k for nexus chip, you buy Tristan for 500k or so, you add some effortlessly gained LP and you have a 27 million worth of Comet. Maybe my reasoning is flawed as I may be missing some important morsel of logic there, but to me, it seems you generate value out of almost nothing.

One technical issue with the kill all rats to capture the complex solution is?

How do you capture a defensive plex? kill all you own rats and destroy your standings?