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Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:33:00 - [1] Please stop whining about older players having unfair advantage, any advantage we have we earned the hard way. We played the game, good or bad, we played the game and did quit. Stroll with me down memory lane: I started playing in Beta 4, because I'm in the US I didn't get my official copy of Eve from EB Games till Day 8. There were so many promises and expectations that have yet to be fulfilled, but I'm still here, still waiting, still playing. Old Players didn't have the advantage of all ships being on the market, readily accessible at good cheap prices. I bought my first frigate (Imicus) on 5/12/03 and paid 150K for it, the run about 75K now. 2 Miner 1s - 12.5K each and 11.5K for a 1MN AB I. That was bargain to, I flew thru 2 regions to get that price. Frigates were 2x to 3x the price they are now. My first cruiser was a Exequror, cost me 5.2Mil purchased on 6/5/03, they run about 3.5Mil now. Projectile weapons were the ** back then, nobody used Rails and Blasters. Then M0o showed everyone what a Blaster setup could do and all of sudden Med Blasters were popular. Nocxium was selling for 170 to 200, Iso was selling for 50 to 60. Mega was 10K and Zyd was 1200. Expanded CargoHold Is were like 225K. Exploits? Scams? The only reason you all know about them now is because people like me that where here from the begining got taken to the bank and posted warnings. Things you new players take for granted didn't exist when I was new. Rats at every gate below .8, Rats in Asteroid Belts expect for 1.0. An not these weak ass 1 shot kill rats either, I lost many a frigate learning how to mine. Safe space? Used to be on the border of every region was a 3 to 5 system no man's land. Yea even 0.0 space in what you now know as Empire. Hell used to be .1 system within 3 jumps of newbie starter systems. You would be amazed at how many of us never survive just getting to the next region back in those days. You all got it easy now. Training packages? I can fly every races Frigates, Cruisers, and Indys, why? Because every other month the NERF bat swung and you had to start training all over again. 1 by 1 I have watched all the mighty fall and rise again. Right now it's Amarr's turn, I would next is going to be Gallante. Min had it good in the beginning, that is why as a Gal character I have higher Projectile skills then Hybrid. Drones used to suck then they became to powerful, now they are more or less balanced. So stop whining, trust me just play the game and follow the cycles and you will stay ahead. We had to suffer way worse then you all and all the crap you all are waiting for in Shiva. We been waiting for since we saw it in Beta. Reverse Engineering anyone? Titans? Jump Drive? If you don't believe what I'm saying, just click and go to the last page of the forums and work your way forward. These are the new forums so they begin about 2 or 3 months after launch, right about the time M0o was terrorizing the entire game. An for those of you wondering why so many people speak of M0o with either awe or hatred, again just click on the link to the last page of the forums. Better yet as Wrangler....LOL So stop whining, learn to the play the game, just like we did and suck it up and drive on. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.**
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:33:00 - [2] Please stop whining about older players having unfair advantage, any advantage we have we earned the hard way. We played the game, good or bad, we played the game and did quit. Stroll with me down memory lane: I started playing in Beta 4, because I'm in the US I didn't get my official copy of Eve from EB Games till Day 8. There were so many promises and expectations that have yet to be fulfilled, but I'm still here, still waiting, still playing. Old Players didn't have the advantage of all ships being on the market, readily accessible at good cheap prices. I bought my first frigate (Imicus) on 5/12/03 and paid 150K for it, the run about 75K now. 2 Miner 1s - 12.5K each and 11.5K for a 1MN AB I. That was bargain to, I flew thru 2 regions to get that price. Frigates were 2x to 3x the price they are now. My first cruiser was a Exequror, cost me 5.2Mil purchased on 6/5/03, they run about 3.5Mil now. Projectile weapons were the ** back then, nobody used Rails and Blasters. Then M0o showed everyone what a Blaster setup could do and all of sudden Med Blasters were popular. Nocxium was selling for 170 to 200, Iso was selling for 50 to 60. Mega was 10K and Zyd was 1200. Expanded CargoHold Is were like 225K. Exploits? Scams? The only reason you all know about them now is because people like me that where here from the begining got taken to the bank and posted warnings. Things you new players take for granted didn't exist when I was new. Rats at every gate below .8, Rats in Asteroid Belts expect for 1.0. An not these weak ass 1 shot kill rats either, I lost many a frigate learning how to mine. Safe space? Used to be on the border of every region was a 3 to 5 system no man's land. Yea even 0.0 space in what you now know as Empire. Hell used to be .1 system within 3 jumps of newbie starter systems. You would be amazed at how many of us never survive just getting to the next region back in those days. You all got it easy now. Training packages? I can fly every races Frigates, Cruisers, and Indys, why? Because every other month the NERF bat swung and you had to start training all over again. 1 by 1 I have watched all the mighty fall and rise again. Right now it's Amarr's turn, I would next is going to be Gallante. Min had it good in the beginning, that is why as a Gal character I have higher Projectile skills then Hybrid. Drones used to suck then they became to powerful, now they are more or less balanced. So stop whining, trust me just play the game and follow the cycles and you will stay ahead. We had to suffer way worse then you all and all the crap you all are waiting for in Shiva. We been waiting for since we saw it in Beta. Reverse Engineering anyone? Titans? Jump Drive? If you don't believe what I'm saying, just click and go to the last page of the forums and work your way forward. These are the new forums so they begin about 2 or 3 months after launch, right about the time M0o was terrorizing the entire game. An for those of you wondering why so many people speak of M0o with either awe or hatred, again just click on the link to the last page of the forums. Better yet as Wrangler....LOL So stop whining, learn to the play the game, just like we did and suck it up and drive on. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.**
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:46:00 - [3] I remember the good ol' time with the 65km range sentry guns and pirates camping out of their rnage at stations anyway, adapt or die. Whining leads nowhere. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:46:00 - [4] I remember the good ol' time with the 65km range sentry guns and pirates camping out of their rnage at stations anyway, adapt or die. Whining leads nowhere. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Stetu	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Hanse Davion Right now it's Amarr's turn, I would next is going to be Gallante. The Nerf List: 1) Apoc's Tankability 2) ECM 3) Insert Your Favorite Thing Here. ----------------------
Stetu	Posted - 2004.11.10 03:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Hanse Davion Right now it's Amarr's turn, I would next is going to be Gallante. The Nerf List: 1) Apoc's Tankability 2) ECM 3) Insert Your Favorite Thing Here. ----------------------
Marie Sklodowska	Posted - 2004.11.10 05:23:00 - [7] i have to say i agree to the post. Stop whining. I've been on since Jan 2, 2004. Not much longer and it will be one full year for me. I've watched the nerf bat fall on many things i liked, and i've learned the best way to be specialized is to not be specialized at all. Train up one type of ship and weaponry, then train another one till you have them all covered. Therefore, when your favorite type of play is nerfed you can switch to a differant ship and setup. www.eve-search.com \| www.myevebay.com
Marie Sklodowska	Posted - 2004.11.10 05:23:00 - [8] i have to say i agree to the post. Stop whining. I've been on since Jan 2, 2004. Not much longer and it will be one full year for me. I've watched the nerf bat fall on many things i liked, and i've learned the best way to be specialized is to not be specialized at all. Train up one type of ship and weaponry, then train another one till you have them all covered. Therefore, when your favorite type of play is nerfed you can switch to a differant ship and setup. www.eve-search.com \| www.myevebay.com
Slaved	Posted - 2004.11.10 06:47:00 - [9] Quit bragging about older players having an advantage.
Slaved	Posted - 2004.11.10 06:47:00 - [10] Quit bragging about older players having an advantage.

Viper Bronco	Posted - 2004.11.10 07:09:00 - [11] remember what it was like before super-hiways were added. before every constellation had a back door. also as said when most systems beyond the starter systems were .3 or lower all the way out to bordors of non-empire space. when you could mine spodium.. do any still remember what spodium or arknor even look like? I explored the galaxy in s Slasher. try that now. I also started in beta 4, stuck with thru gold. got ****ed at castor and left.. but returned couple months later. oh and my alt won't let me train anymore. guess that makes me a noobi, since most newbies have more skills trained than me
Viper Bronco	Posted - 2004.11.10 07:09:00 - [12] remember what it was like before super-hiways were added. before every constellation had a back door. also as said when most systems beyond the starter systems were .3 or lower all the way out to bordors of non-empire space. when you could mine spodium.. do any still remember what spodium or arknor even look like? I explored the galaxy in s Slasher. try that now. I also started in beta 4, stuck with thru gold. got ****ed at castor and left.. but returned couple months later. oh and my alt won't let me train anymore. guess that makes me a noobi, since most newbies have more skills trained than me
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:07:00 - [13] Been around since October 2000, was in alpha and beta, could afford the game in June/July 2003. Been wtfpwned by a pirate in .1, crying for help in the petition? Jebus, I didn't go into .8 until two weeks into the game. TWO WEEKS. That's how long it took me to even want to TOUCH the spawns there. Two weeks of mining Pyrox before I could afford an Incursus (which I lost trying to mine omber in .8 the day after). Then another two weeks of agent missions to get my first million. Then I traded for yet another two weeks using borrowed money from a corp mate, until I could afford a Vexor cruiser. In the meantime, I got shot, killed, mauled and raped every time I ventured into 0.4. I mostly operated in Lonetrek and whoop-de-doo. m0o LOVED to camp the systems there. I had to listen to the current reports before going to Nonni for buying ships, because m0o used to camp a bottleneck system (before the time of highways, ofc). Yet I have nothing but love for m0o. They made the game interesting and CHALLENGING. Damn sentry guns should be thrown out of < 0.5 systems. Them nublets are being spoiled.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:07:00 - [14] Been around since October 2000, was in alpha and beta, could afford the game in June/July 2003. Been wtfpwned by a pirate in .1, crying for help in the petition? Jebus, I didn't go into .8 until two weeks into the game. TWO WEEKS. That's how long it took me to even want to TOUCH the spawns there. Two weeks of mining Pyrox before I could afford an Incursus (which I lost trying to mine omber in .8 the day after). Then another two weeks of agent missions to get my first million. Then I traded for yet another two weeks using borrowed money from a corp mate, until I could afford a Vexor cruiser. In the meantime, I got shot, killed, mauled and raped every time I ventured into 0.4. I mostly operated in Lonetrek and whoop-de-doo. m0o LOVED to camp the systems there. I had to listen to the current reports before going to Nonni for buying ships, because m0o used to camp a bottleneck system (before the time of highways, ofc). Yet I have nothing but love for m0o. They made the game interesting and CHALLENGING. Damn sentry guns should be thrown out of < 0.5 systems. Them nublets are being spoiled.
hired goon	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:33:00 - [15] I think you will find that the moaners are infact not the newbies, but the oldtimes whining about their favourite setup being nerfed. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
hired goon	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:33:00 - [16] I think you will find that the moaners are infact not the newbies, but the oldtimes whining about their favourite setup being nerfed. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Elenefreya	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:51:00 - [17] I was in beta, took some time off and came back, and i have to admit life is somewhat easier now, i was wandering round a .8 system in my bantam fragging guristas left right and centre experience perhaps? or easyness, bit of both really I saw a squirrel and he went like this..... Hey CCP, wheres my face.....?
Elenefreya	Posted - 2004.11.10 09:51:00 - [18] I was in beta, took some time off and came back, and i have to admit life is somewhat easier now, i was wandering round a .8 system in my bantam fragging guristas left right and centre experience perhaps? or easyness, bit of both really I saw a squirrel and he went like this..... Hey CCP, wheres my face.....?
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.11.10 10:04:00 - [19] Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2004.11.10 10:04:00 - [20] Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.

jason hill	Posted - 2004.11.10 10:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Rod Blaine Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage Ditto "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
jason hill	Posted - 2004.11.10 10:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Rod Blaine Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage Ditto "THE HUMAN SHIELD"
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:16:00 - [23] Edited by: OffBeaT on 10/11/2004 11:20:24 thats what ecm or any type of jamming is for, too even the playing feild. if you havnt got the skill too out tank or shot them you need too be more cunning and go for the jam. i hear they are gona nerf the ecm. why i dont know.
OffBeaT	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:16:00 - [24] Edited by: OffBeaT on 10/11/2004 11:20:24 thats what ecm or any type of jamming is for, too even the playing feild. if you havnt got the skill too out tank or shot them you need too be more cunning and go for the jam. i hear they are gona nerf the ecm. why i dont know.
Odet	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:25:00 - [25] w0rd. =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
Odet	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:25:00 - [26] w0rd. =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Rod Blaine Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage hehe
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.11.10 11:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Rod Blaine Hi I'm Rod. I am an older player with an unfair advantage hehe
Lucre	Posted - 2004.11.10 12:28:00 - [29] Edited by: Lucre on 10/11/2004 12:31:23 Ee now we had it tough... Had to logon at 0530, half an hour before we went to bed. Work 25 hour day mining Veldspar for corp and pay corporation for permission to dock. And then when we jumped, M0o would gank us before our screen loaded, singing "Pwned you, eat lag n00b!" And you try and tell that to the young characters of today, and they won't believe you, they won't... ;-)
Lucre	Posted - 2004.11.10 12:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Lucre on 10/11/2004 12:31:23 Ee now we had it tough... Had to logon at 0530, half an hour before we went to bed. Work 25 hour day mining Veldspar for corp and pay corporation for permission to dock. And then when we jumped, M0o would gank us before our screen loaded, singing "Pwned you, eat lag n00b!" And you try and tell that to the young characters of today, and they won't believe you, they won't... ;-)



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