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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:13:00 -
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lol
Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime!
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:13:00 -
[62]
lol
Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime!
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banker
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:14:00 -
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i love macro miners that use jet cans. ill load up as much as i want over a few hours time before most even noticng me filtching their cans, its great
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banker
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:14:00 -
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i love macro miners that use jet cans. ill load up as much as i want over a few hours time before most even noticng me filtching their cans, its great
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:17:00 -
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I know people who use a simple macro record to drag/drop ore from ship to can. They are not AFK, they are not cheating. They just do not wan't to get RSI from moving ISK. I think this is the stuipest thing in the game, and the easiest to change.
We don't wan't to cheat, we don't wan't to drag drop ore every thirty seconds either.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:17:00 -
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I know people who use a simple macro record to drag/drop ore from ship to can. They are not AFK, they are not cheating. They just do not wan't to get RSI from moving ISK. I think this is the stuipest thing in the game, and the easiest to change.
We don't wan't to cheat, we don't wan't to drag drop ore every thirty seconds either.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:29:00 -
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Mystic, I agree with that.
The part of the macro problem that threatens the game economy is not so much the auto drag/drop, but the ability to run the much more complex scan/change asteroid/haul to station operation.
A solution that makes it impossible to fly around for any length of time while afk is what is needed, and the only way I see to do that is via a role-played adaptation of "Are you still at your keyboard???" question asked by the game.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
 Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:29:00 -
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Mystic, I agree with that.
The part of the macro problem that threatens the game economy is not so much the auto drag/drop, but the ability to run the much more complex scan/change asteroid/haul to station operation.
A solution that makes it impossible to fly around for any length of time while afk is what is needed, and the only way I see to do that is via a role-played adaptation of "Are you still at your keyboard???" question asked by the game.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:36:00 -
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Well Rod, I usually don't sink to conversing with criminal anarchists such as yourself, but it seems that you would prefer that the game be reduced to equality between all players. Perhaps we could all just stick to running agent missions all day long too. Even better, we could implement a level treadmill.. because really EVE is just like every other game we've played that's been despoiled by macros.. ooh ooh I know, let's build a macro into every client so the game is fair for everyone..!!one-ish..
Ok no more sarcasm.
Your post is a complete intellectual non-sequitur to anything I noted or suggested. It boiled down to this: "Macros were bad in that thar other game sooo.. any suggestion that attempts to sidestep the need for 3rd party programs to get around poor game mechanics must be apologetics for the enemy camp.. I bet the mods that be give me a cookie for pointing out this infidel!" It seems to be that you have probably never mined a roid in your life or sold or bought ore, much less mass produced a single product. You clearly have no grasp of that entire half of the game. I at least have the good sense to stay out of discussions on tactical loadouts. Where exactly does your antipathy originate? No, nevermind, I don't want to know.
Your grasp of logic proposition construction whelms me to a rare degree. Even the high end of this game seems to be suffused with people who can't think more than 2 steps ahead of themselves. I'm glad there's at least a mute button in place of a cure for imbecility or absence of capacity for critical thought. But the question that still bothers me is, "who in their right mind would consider it a good idea to go to the extreme trouble of training ADD personalities be able to express themselves in print in the first place?" Clearly no sensible Amarr. These individuals are suitable as expendable fighter jocks and nothing else, much less a position of polity making.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2004.11.11 02:36:00 -
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Well Rod, I usually don't sink to conversing with criminal anarchists such as yourself, but it seems that you would prefer that the game be reduced to equality between all players. Perhaps we could all just stick to running agent missions all day long too. Even better, we could implement a level treadmill.. because really EVE is just like every other game we've played that's been despoiled by macros.. ooh ooh I know, let's build a macro into every client so the game is fair for everyone..!!one-ish..
Ok no more sarcasm.
Your post is a complete intellectual non-sequitur to anything I noted or suggested. It boiled down to this: "Macros were bad in that thar other game sooo.. any suggestion that attempts to sidestep the need for 3rd party programs to get around poor game mechanics must be apologetics for the enemy camp.. I bet the mods that be give me a cookie for pointing out this infidel!" It seems to be that you have probably never mined a roid in your life or sold or bought ore, much less mass produced a single product. You clearly have no grasp of that entire half of the game. I at least have the good sense to stay out of discussions on tactical loadouts. Where exactly does your antipathy originate? No, nevermind, I don't want to know.
Your grasp of logic proposition construction whelms me to a rare degree. Even the high end of this game seems to be suffused with people who can't think more than 2 steps ahead of themselves. I'm glad there's at least a mute button in place of a cure for imbecility or absence of capacity for critical thought. But the question that still bothers me is, "who in their right mind would consider it a good idea to go to the extreme trouble of training ADD personalities be able to express themselves in print in the first place?" Clearly no sensible Amarr. These individuals are suitable as expendable fighter jocks and nothing else, much less a position of polity making.
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.11.11 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The problem CCP have would seem to be unattended macroing.
Which I fully agree is ebil.
I agree too. One way to get rid of people using that drag and drop macro, is to implement game mechanics that takes care of it. Like a drone that moves ore from cargohold to can. It's rat-meat and part of the game. Or you could just give those mining barges a bonus that compacts ore so you get like 30k m¦ cargohold when stuffing ore into it. I don't know how that is preventing afk mining, but at least the miners don't have to drag and drop every minute. In fact we could mine and fly back to base, like it was intended for in the first place. Another way is to restrict the jet cans like the loot cans, that you can't move more into them. I guess that would litter the belts pretty much though. And the haulers would get a helluva job to scoop it.
In real life the human life have allways tried to make their work day easier. I would say that if a corp in eve invented a slave drone for miners or another way to lessen the work for the miners, they would be rich. Can I please invent that bpo? 
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Chepe Nolon
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Posted - 2004.11.11 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The problem CCP have would seem to be unattended macroing.
Which I fully agree is ebil.
I agree too. One way to get rid of people using that drag and drop macro, is to implement game mechanics that takes care of it. Like a drone that moves ore from cargohold to can. It's rat-meat and part of the game. Or you could just give those mining barges a bonus that compacts ore so you get like 30k m¦ cargohold when stuffing ore into it. I don't know how that is preventing afk mining, but at least the miners don't have to drag and drop every minute. In fact we could mine and fly back to base, like it was intended for in the first place. Another way is to restrict the jet cans like the loot cans, that you can't move more into them. I guess that would litter the belts pretty much though. And the haulers would get a helluva job to scoop it.
In real life the human life have allways tried to make their work day easier. I would say that if a corp in eve invented a slave drone for miners or another way to lessen the work for the miners, they would be rich. Can I please invent that bpo?
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.11 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Macro's is bad, mmm***ay?
eris - ever wondered the stupidity of your langage filtter?
and yes - macros are bad for game, please dont use them 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.11.11 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Macro's is bad, mmm***ay?
eris - ever wondered the stupidity of your langage filtter?
and yes - macros are bad for game, please dont use them
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.11.11 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ
I know people who use a simple macro record to drag/drop ore from ship to can. They are not AFK, they are not cheating. They just do not wan't to get RSI from moving ISK. I think this is the stuipest thing in the game, and the easiest to change.
We don't wan't to cheat, we don't wan't to drag drop ore every thirty seconds either.
Exactly. Players emptying roid fields while they sleep, selling isk on ebay and ships flying around like ghosts are bad for the game.
Drag and drop is bad for your body.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Andrue
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Posted - 2004.11.11 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ
I know people who use a simple macro record to drag/drop ore from ship to can. They are not AFK, they are not cheating. They just do not wan't to get RSI from moving ISK. I think this is the stuipest thing in the game, and the easiest to change.
We don't wan't to cheat, we don't wan't to drag drop ore every thirty seconds either.
Exactly. Players emptying roid fields while they sleep, selling isk on ebay and ships flying around like ghosts are bad for the game.
Drag and drop is bad for your body.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Andrue
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Posted - 2004.11.11 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Mystic, I agree with that.
The part of the macro problem that threatens the game economy is not so much the auto drag/drop, but the ability to run the much more complex scan/change asteroid/haul to station operation.
A solution that makes it impossible to fly around for any length of time while afk is what is needed, and the only way I see to do that is via a role-played adaptation of "Are you still at your keyboard???" question asked by the game.
How about having ships start to drift off station after a while? A player at the keyboard can click the stop button. Heh - why not have them start to enter auto-warp (as if you were logged off). Only problem with this is mining barges since they seem to have very high agility.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality. |
Andrue
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Posted - 2004.11.11 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Mystic, I agree with that.
The part of the macro problem that threatens the game economy is not so much the auto drag/drop, but the ability to run the much more complex scan/change asteroid/haul to station operation.
A solution that makes it impossible to fly around for any length of time while afk is what is needed, and the only way I see to do that is via a role-played adaptation of "Are you still at your keyboard???" question asked by the game.
How about having ships start to drift off station after a while? A player at the keyboard can click the stop button. Heh - why not have them start to enter auto-warp (as if you were logged off). Only problem with this is mining barges since they seem to have very high agility.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Khyle
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 11/11/2004 14:10:27
Edited by: Khyle on 11/11/2004 14:09:26
How about allowing to set your cargo to auto-eject into a targeted can?
Would make dragging macros useless, and now you can safely say, if he used a macro, ban him.
(Making the game more work for the honest miner, like floating cargo window or moving ship, is in my opinion no way to fight macroes, hell the macro could f.e. just stop your ship every few seconds in addition to the other tasks it does)
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Khyle
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Posted - 2004.11.11 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Khyle on 11/11/2004 14:10:27
Edited by: Khyle on 11/11/2004 14:09:26
How about allowing to set your cargo to auto-eject into a targeted can?
Would make dragging macros useless, and now you can safely say, if he used a macro, ban him.
(Making the game more work for the honest miner, like floating cargo window or moving ship, is in my opinion no way to fight macroes, hell the macro could f.e. just stop your ship every few seconds in addition to the other tasks it does)
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