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Zastrow
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Posted - 2009.12.02 23:27:00 -
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:10:00 -
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Just wanted to extend my congratulations to the candidates. Thanks to everyone who participated.
I was a bit disappointed with turn out. I talked to a couple of friends and asked if they voted, they did not. A couple of them claimed when trying to vote from the login screen it took them to either a broken link or a link where they could not cast their votes. Sounded similar to the EVE newsletter I received the other day with a survey which sent me to a broken link. I think the point is that to average players who try to vote, you only have one shot at getting it before they walk away. Maybe now that we have better tools, e-mail and browser, next time around something could be incorporated into the game.
I also think some people had a tough time figuring out who to vote for, I was lucky I found the matching site (sorry, don't remember who set that up but THANKS!). The only reason I even found that site is because I read the EVE blogs. Survey of each candidate with an easy way for voters to identify their platform would be really helpful.
Last point, unless you read the forums I think people generally don't have an understanding of what CSM does or how they effect their game. Generally after the voting CSM goes into the dark until the next election, unless you comb the forums or know where to look on the Wiki. Again, now that we have better tools in-game CSM can communicate with the masses as things move along. Maybe an in-game e-mail newsletter, setup a mailing list that everyone is subbed into?
Maybe using some of these new tools we can get better participation in the next election cycle.
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Mike Azariah
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:10:00 -
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I'd like to thank all those who did turn out for the election and congratulate the winners.
7% turn out is a bit disappointing, but it is what it is.
mike
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Jessith
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:28:00 -
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I would have to say that I'm not surprised by the low voting rate. The problem for a large part of the player base must be the fact that they have no clue on who to vote on. If you really are interested you'll find matching sites and a lot of other information, but if you aren't very enthusiastic then it's quite hard to make a decision. Basically better ways for people to easily find information about the candidates is required. I think one of the best ways would be to have a official matching by CCP which was clearly linked to from wherever the CSM election is advertised. Basically you'd have a bunch of important questions (20-50) and the candidates would need to give their opinion on those questions on a scale when registering for the elections. Then players could easily match their own views with the candidates and select someone to vote.
Other options are available too, but something has to be done to make voting an easier task for those who aren't ready to use a lot of effort.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
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Posted - 2009.12.03 01:53:00 -
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Congratulations to all council members; Make it count.
Sad to see a significant drop in total number of voters. It would be interesting to know if it's due to campaign technique or simply player lack of communication/apathy.
The elections were on the splash screen much more frequently than previous years, so I put my money on voter apathy. Beyond the actions for candidates for CSM 5, I hope this CSM will put effort into promoting their successes and impact. I'll certainly be working on that with the right to attend meetings as an alternate.
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.03 02:39:00 -
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2 issues for the voter turn out as I see it 1) It is hard to know who to vote for - many candidates did not have information available, or too little. They should have to provide certain information after the nomination date before the election starts. Failure to do so would require them to be removed from the process (similar to not having a passport etc...). Basically with that many candidates, it was impossible to know who should get your vote. The matching site helped, but was not exactly obvious to locate (I believe I found it via a 3rd party blog site iirc). CCP need to give more official support to these things, instead of just going - "Here it is, you guys sort it out and vote for someone..." 2) The whole capital ships debacle. I imagine many people didn't vote as they felt betrayed by CCP over the nerf to a ship the CSM had previously campaigned to get buffed. Plus many people were just ****ed and have left/gone on break/decided they don't care enough anymore...
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Shobon Welp
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Posted - 2009.12.03 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 0.0 candidates retain their voters, but neutral players just seem to have lost interest. Must say that CCP keeps failing to create publicity for the CSM.
Most highsec players don't interact with others or do anything that gets in the way of their L4 farming, why should it be different when it comes to CSM votes?
If casting your CSM vote was a mission handed out by an agent and had an LP reward, you'd see 99% participation from them.
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Komen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.12.03 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shobon Welp
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 0.0 candidates retain their voters, but neutral players just seem to have lost interest. Must say that CCP keeps failing to create publicity for the CSM.
Most highsec players don't interact with others or do anything that gets in the way of their L4 farming, why should it be different when it comes to CSM votes?
If casting your CSM vote was a mission handed out by an agent and had an LP reward, you'd see 99% participation from them.
Strongly Agree.
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence The Purge Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.03 06:28:00 -
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Reason for lower outcome this time is because there is no fanfest ticket included. Next term we'll see a lot more "vote for me I want free ticket" and those that "LULZ I VOTED FOR THE GIRL!". Want to know more? |
Zastrow
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Posted - 2009.12.03 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Reason for lower outcome this time is because there is no fanfest ticket included. Next term we'll see a lot more "vote for me I want free ticket" and those that "LULZ I VOTED FOR THE GIRL!".
i know of multiple candidates that didnt run for the spring term because they want to be seated csms for the fanfest summit and don't want to be hamstrung by term limits.
My personal theory for why voter turnout seemed to decline is that the most dedicated and involved of the playerbase, those that read the forums and devblogs, were in an uproar over the pre-dominion devblogs and felt dubious about ccp's involvement with the csm/players Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.12.03 08:32:00 -
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Who cares really?
I mean I voted but that was before the Nagflar being nerfed back to being worse than it was before the CSM supposedly successfully lobbied after months to have it be a single weapon bonus platform and now in Dominion you reversed it and made it a split weapon bonus platform again making it the worst of the Dreads....takes months longer to train to use due to needing more skills to fully use and still would do worse damage than the others.
So I have to ask, Why should we bother? What's the point?
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.03 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Future Mutant on 03/12/2009 11:03:41
Originally by: Luminus Aardokay
I am though kind of bitter to see that the voter turnout was less than even the first CSM elections... And I do believe that this is partly a communication fault. It has not been adequately communicated in the front eve-o page with big flashing graphics.. and it hasn't been made crystal clear how important this concept is.
Buuuut.. nevertheless.. no whining now.. time to crack open the bubbly =)
It was not a lack of communication that lead to me not voting. Its because i think the council (as it is now) is totally inconsequential. Ccp needs some actual rules of conduct- because right now its just a way to screw over the game and get a free trip out of it.
21,158 votes cast by eligible voters (i.e. older than 30 days and thus able to vote), amassing a turnout of 7.36%. Of the total votes cast, 629 voters (2.97%) chose to abstain.
I believe the low turnout means others feel as i do.
Originally by: Shobon Welp
Most highsec players don't interact with others or do anything that gets in the way of their L4 farming, why should it be different when it comes to CSM votes?
If casting your CSM vote was a mission handed out by an agent and had an LP reward, you'd see 99% participation from them.
Mission runners do interact with each other- but recent changes arent helping with that. Yes im talking about the npc corp chat. If your a mission runner you have a choice of paying 11% tax and keeping your corp chat- or forming a one man corp and not having the chat available. I used to enjoy helping new players in corp chat. I know many others did as well. But i cant justify losing my income to help someone. It is what it is i guess. Just dont complain about "lack of interaction" when ccp goes out of their way to prevent interaction.
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Dr BananaHammock
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:36:00 -
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There's no point in voting anymore.
Goons/Large alliances will vote with their numbers and slowly push out anybody else anyhow, much how it is in game. Sheer numbers of tards will continue to drive the games 'voice'.
CCP needs to initiate a one person per alliance /max/ on the CSM so that more voices can be heard. Even the little tiny squeaky ones. The current lineup wasn't worth voting for. This many Goons on the CSM only seems appropriate with the current Xpac, but it's by no means definitive of what the majority of players want. The voting turnout shows precisely that.
If anybody feels like quitting over voter turnout though, I call first dibs on your stuff. |
T'san Manaan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.03 11:38:00 -
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Congrats to all the delegates.
Make your term count.
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Zastrow
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zastrow on 03/12/2009 14:18:36
Originally by: Dr BananaHammock There's no point in voting anymore.
Goons/Large alliances will vote with their numbers and slowly push out anybody else anyhow, much how it is in game. Sheer numbers of tards will continue to drive the games 'voice'.
hello. large alliances are a hilariously small percentage of the playerbase. we just happen to be the only ones who put in the effort to get organized
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.12.03 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow
basically: you're dumb
This attitude wouldnt be why most players think the csm is worthless is it?
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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2009.12.03 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Zastrow
basically: you're dumb
This attitude wouldnt be why most players think the csm is worthless is it?
The CSM was worthless from day 1.
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Shobon Welp
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Posted - 2009.12.03 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Originally by: Zastrow
basically: you're dumb
This attitude wouldnt be why most players think the csm is worthless is it?
no, most players being dumb is the reason that most players think the CSM is worthless.
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Kemenril
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.03 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow Edited by: Zastrow on 03/12/2009 14:18:36
Originally by: Dr BananaHammock There's no point in voting anymore.
Goons/Large alliances will vote with their numbers and slowly push out anybody else anyhow, much how it is in game. Sheer numbers of tards will continue to drive the games 'voice'.
hello. large alliances are a hilariously small percentage of the playerbase. we just happen to be the only ones who put in the effort to get organized
basically: you're dumb
Actually, it is *precisely* attitudes like this that alienate people from the CSM. Attitudes like this make people think that the CSM is a club for established l33ts rather than a body representing player views.
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Shobon Welp
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kemenril
Originally by: Zastrow Edited by: Zastrow on 03/12/2009 14:18:36
Originally by: Dr BananaHammock There's no point in voting anymore.
Goons/Large alliances will vote with their numbers and slowly push out anybody else anyhow, much how it is in game. Sheer numbers of tards will continue to drive the games 'voice'.
hello. large alliances are a hilariously small percentage of the playerbase. we just happen to be the only ones who put in the effort to get organized
basically: you're dumb
Actually, it is *precisely* attitudes like this that alienate people from the CSM. Attitudes like this make people think that the CSM is a club for established l33ts rather than a body representing player views.
The voters will get the CSM they deserve.
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Kemenril
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.12.04 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shobon Welp
The voters will get the CSM they deserve.
I can't argue with that.
Still, it's startling to see elected members of the CSM acting like impudent trust fund ******s instead of showing a little good grace...
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Selmak28
Defenders of Sovereignty Destined For Glory
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Posted - 2009.12.04 20:30:00 -
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Wow it seems, as in real life, people take their ability to elect reputable leaders for granted. I speaking in terms of voter turnout of course.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.12.04 21:14:00 -
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Congrats to the winners!
I hope you'll do us proud! The CSM can continue to make a difference despite what some in the forums might say!
Sorry Herschel didn't make it again. He would have been great. Glad to see Alexe did! This looks to be a great CSM!
Issler Dainze CSM 2, CSM 3 1/2
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Chronos VIII
Amarr Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.05 09:42:00 -
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Drop this whole csm thingy and use the money on things such as eve tv, live broadcasts or anything else useful. The community doesnt care about some random dudes nobody ever heard of. Stop wasting money on flying people to iceland to talk about internet spaceships jesus. Thats my point of view
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Daugar Draaken
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Posted - 2009.12.05 13:44:00 -
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142 votes, and that is considering I didn't take much action other than present my positions.
If I would actually go and campaign and present my ideas more forceful and in-depth, I should be able to increase this amount significantly degree in next elections. Maybe I should even radicalize a bit.
Very pleasing results.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2009.12.06 12:24:00 -
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TLDR: Yay CSM, get something done, CCP dropped the ball on updates/announcements for voting/dates/information.
Low voter turnout is partially due to many players not getting involved with all that is EVE, there is too much you really can't deal with it all if you don't spend an half an hour or more a day reading the forums or at other outlets fansites/podcasts. The expansion, devblogs, general 'community' issues etc. That is just to know what is going on in the world of EVE in relation to promotions, community issues, game changes, etc add in whatever you might have personal interested in, developing your corporation, finding one, locating player services etc and there is more time spent 'reading' about the game you play.
CCP didn't make it any easier by tossing up several links that weren't logical to direct traffic for voting, candidate information, the rules for candidates etc. Then IIRC no new news alerts were put up on the main site reminding people to vote, same for the ingame news briefs. Add in the 'who should I vote for' factor players are left with the burdon of voting and having to do research about who they should vote for(if they even know what the CSM is), tools like the match made and the podcasts with some candidates, threads with Q/A helped but you'd have to know where on the many sub forums to look.
I won't even get into the natural apathy some people/countries have about voting for anything, or those who felt the CSM has done nothing or isn't effective.
If the CSM were more visible and players were made aware that they 'might' have a better shot at being heard through the CSM vs the forum and posting in hopes a DEV or some CCP employeee will notice and care enough to do something or take the issue to their boss maybe more people would vote. As is, like any game, players voice/vent on forums and the company looks at what they want, when they want, meaning most of what people post is ignored except by other players. If you are lucky a DEV pops their head in to clarify or correct whatever but it doesn't mean CCP's resources will go to fixing/addressing that issue.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.06 15:14:00 -
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Ah, new member for the ultra-geek club.
Congratulations on your virtual achievements. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:03:00 -
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Congratulations to the candidates. I voted, yet I still lack a sense of any real empowerment by voting. I don't get the sense that the CSM represents me, or that it's anything other than a particular bunch of players who will get the advantage of speaking more often to devs than a typical player might.
To put it bluntly, I don't believe or expect that the CSM will achieve something where I think 'if I hadn't voted for them, this wouldn't have happened'. At best the CSM puts a filter on a lot of forum noise, turning popular issues into agenda items. They are welcome of course to prove me incorrect.
Don't get me wrong - I don't regret voting or believe it was a pointless exercise. I just think the hype (ooh game democracy, great experiment, devs listening to players) is getting in the way of the reality (better focus on what everyone including CCP is already talking about).
I suspect that it is the real cause of voter apathy - the actual people and their personal passions don't seem to have that much impact compared to the simple mechanisms that the CSM brings, perhaps because when we get right down to it, most playing EVE for a long period can acknowledge most moderate positions in the game even if they don't agree with them. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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WheatGrass
Gallente Silent but Friendly
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Posted - 2009.12.08 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I purposefully didn't campaign much this run, I wanted to get in as an alt, that's what I got, so I'm happy :-)
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.10 15:04:00 -
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I think the latest patch might've also soured people on the CSM. Not so much the candidates themselves as if they're listened to by CCP.
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