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Tuscun Nebular	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:47:00 - [1] CCP, I know I'm probably wasting my time here, but I just wanted to ask anyway. I was watching some vids on you tube and I just don't understand the concept of your definition in regard to PVP. Here's a guy in a video mining in an area which is considered unsafe for his level, (short version) and is ship blown up. He tried to explain to the pirates that he's there not to fight but to make more money mining, he's told oh well too bad, and BAM! The attitude of the aggressors, Oh well too bad, he didn't belong there in the first place. Ha! Ha! Some other videos show the same thing. Now, my brother is 1/3 owner in an Internet cafe that has 70 computers in a very busy neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York. I was visiting my family there for the Thanksgiving holiday. While visiting my brother at the cafe, A conversation came up after I mentioned to some players that I was playing Eve for almost 2 months. I found that in my brother's cafe, he doesn't have Eve Online on their computers because there's not a demand for this particular game. While conversing with some other player's of mmo games, I was told that they have in fact tried to play Eve, but discontinued the game because of and they used words like "frustrating" Because of the game is "hard to learn" and for the most part they have felt that eve online was a "waste of time" " with no up front or immediate gratifications" Then we came to the pvp topic in regard to Eve Online, they and I all agree that the playing field isn't even when it comes not only to pvp, but to new players in general. Shouldn't pvp be exactly that? What if a player doesn't want to become involved in pvp action? Why should a player who just started out in the game mining with one little ship have his ore stolen while transporting a load to a station? Why are seasoned players able to extort new players? (Give me isk or I'll destroy your ship) Why does a non willing pvp player have to answer to another player should be ashamed of calling himself a gamer because he destroys a noobs ship. Why are seasoned players who obviously out gun a noobs ship by a million to one able to destroy that ship for no reason? It takes months to learn Eve online, and obtain the mass amount of isk to buy not only the ship, but all of the other required items to run that ship. Wouldn't it make sense to level the playing field a little? If pvp is to remain as is, why not at least let a new players get to a certain level, or enable that new player to obtain a certain status and equipment equivalent to another more seasoned player, so the noob doesn't lose all that he/she's worked for in seconds? Why can't a player warp to a location for space exploration, or maybe to view a battle without getting blown to bits? Let's see just how tough those bully's are when the noobs are able defend themselves! Let's see if those tough guys laugh in videos like seen on you tube when the playing field is leveled! There is a consensus out in the gaming world (Like in my brother's cafe) as well as with some of the players of Eve Online that the playing filed isn't fair to all players. Why does eve online have a "dishearten" word of mouth among players who stop playing Eve? Why can't CCP make it so that they have millions of subscribers like in other mmos? Heck even within the fan fest one of your ccp reps stated that Eve isn't for everyone. Well, why not make it for everyone to enjoy? Why not take a player's vote, and let the chips fall? I and other players believe that eve is a good game, (I have 3 payee accounts and also subscribe to Eon's yearly subscription, shows how much I like this game) and Eve has the potential to be a great game. Make the game less frustrating, and watch how many people join.
Gun Gal	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:55:00 - [2] I find you petty, ignorant, self superior and a perfect example of what a self aggrandizing whiner should be. By your other posts you have shown this,and frankly, EVE is not for you. Please Leave. Thanx, The Management
Ticarus Hellbrandt	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:55:00 - [3] gag stop posting
Yatooooroooooo	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:56:00 - [4] Because EVE and PVP in EVE is not a sport with two even teams like in your mainstream gaming poo. This is war.
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:56:00 - [5] hope you got your flame proof extremities on your gonna get Flamed Its Eve culture to do so :) ........ 400+ Games to Play for Free while mining or waiting during down time, Classics from Helicopter to Pong X bound
Jaya Caldari Loc-Nar Support Services	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:58:00 - [6] go play Wow, i think that game is more your speed, pvp is "safe" you dont have to worry about being intelligent
Chalrynn Illyndar White Whales	Posted - 2009.12.06 19:59:00 - [7]
Yatooooroooooo	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Why can't CCP make it so that they have millions of subscribers like in other mmos? Also, isn't WoW pretty much the only MMO with millions of subscribers? AFAIK Eve is doing fine financially.
Excalibus Caldari Oblivion. Anarchy.	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:04:00 - [9] Erm, must have missed your point, i've played for 5 years, and guess wat, I started out as a noob. CCP have given noobs alot more than when i started, you have skills at lvl 5 already, i had none of that. yet im still about. Noobs should not venture into low sec unless they have support or the skills to know wat to do, monitor local chat for example, look for signs of danger. I had to learn these important lessons, so I don't see why people like yourself want it made too easy? *********************************************************
Swiftgaze	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:04:00 - [10] "go play wow blahblahblah"

Fire Watch	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:04:00 - [11] Maybe EVE isn't for you
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:05:00 - [12] Thousands of people mine in 0.0 every single day. Just saying. FakeEdit: Wait you weren't by any chance the guy who jumped a T2-rigged hulk in to EC-P8R this morning were you?
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Yatooooroooooo Because EVE and PVP in EVE is not a sport with two even teams like in your mainstream gaming poo. This is war. exactly. this is no duel with pistols at 10 paces, nor a happy-go-by paintball match. it's war out there, war for resources, war for fear, war for making your life miserable for any reason or no reason at all. We could care less about what you were doing or for how long you were playing or whatever you were doing before you got blown'd up. This is a free for all and you're no more than a pothole in this road. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Tuscun Nebular an Internet cafe that has 70 computers in a very busy neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York. Thats a weak troll tbh as we all know that the fine people of Brooklyn don`t play silly videogames.
Hegbard	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Why can't CCP make it so that they have millions of subscribers like in other mmos? Please provide a list of games that have more subscribers than EVE.
XSarah	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:23:00 - [16] EVE is for smart people and that excludes everyone who hangs out in NY cybercafe, pretty much. Thanks for stopping by though. muahahaha
Bodrul Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:28:00 - [17] Originally by: bitters much Originally by: Tuscun Nebular an Internet cafe that has 70 computers in a very busy neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York. Thats a weak troll tbh as we all know that the fine people of Brooklyn don`t play silly videogames. think they are to busy being banged up to play, ........ 400+ Games to Play for Free while mining or waiting during down time, Classics from Helicopter to Pong X bound
Bhattran	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Well, why not make it for everyone to enjoy? Why not take a player's vote, and let the chips fall? I and other players believe that eve is a good game, (I have 3 payee accounts and also subscribe to Eon's yearly subscription, shows how much I like this game) and Eve has the potential to be a great game. Make the game less frustrating, and watch how many people join. Because if I wanted to play video games with kids I'd hang out at school yards. At least here I can feel reasonably 'safe' knowing most players don't go to school because the law says they have to, but because they choose to do so. I avoided most mmo's for one reason, other people, mainly people (often kids) that act like idiots, those people are still everywhere but I've found a lot less of them in EVE than any of the other MMO's I've played or tried.
Tbear Cave Bear Mining	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:33:00 - [19] Eve is a sandbox and not a nursery. You make of it what you will, by your own choices. Nothing in Eve is easy except for dying.
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Zartanic on 06/12/2009 20:49:27 McDonalds has millions of customers but I don't go there if I want a nice steak. Why do you think the EVE players are in EVE and not WOW? The MMORPG's that have tried to emulates WOW and failed are numerous and there is a reason for that. There are two types of player: 1. Gamers - these want a challenge. EVE gives that but does not try and be everything to everyone. That's not possible or desirable. If it becomes popularised by dumbing down it will die very fast. CCP know that. WOW itself has changed even in the last year to a game I do not recognise because of these non gamers crowding in. Not one of my old friends plays it any more. It's a victim of the marketing department where everyone must be a winner, do you really want a game like that? That's not a game at all. It's as much fun as dressing up my own dolly. 2. Non Gamers - these do not want a challenge and want access to everything everyone else has (Blizz has removed or made irrelevant all unique class abilities and game mechanics to achieve this). Their motives to play are alien to many of us (gear, mounts, gimmicks, fluff, simple game mechanics, easy access to all content and no consequences to your actions) They play WOW or one of its clones. Nothing wrong with that but it's not the market EVE is aimed for. Its also not the sort of player I wish to associate with any more in an on line game which is why I no longer play WOW. I think EVE PVP sucks as well but not because its brutal, I just think its boring being in a blob or camp and griefing someone else is the ultimate in tedium for me. But many like that so good for them. Try not to judge others by your standards, realise many people play games for different reasons and to try and homogeneous everyone into one type of player (like a WOW player) is ignorant and patronising.

Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:45:00 - [21] Two on one day? I must say you have potential: 6/10 -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:48:00 - [22] Funny thing: there are few games where the play field is as level as it is in EVE. If the other guy can do something, then so can you – it's just up to you to do it. There is nothing the other guy can do that means you can't beat him – you just have to figure out how. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Tippia Funny thing: there are few games where the play field is as level as it is in EVE. If the other guy can do something, then so can you û it's just up to you to do it. There is nothing the other guy can do that means you can't beat him û you just have to figure out how. Yep, this is the only game I have every played ultra casually and I still get a lot done.
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Gun Gal I find you petty, ignorant, self superior and a perfect example of what a self aggrandizing whiner should be. By your other posts you have shown this,and frankly, EVE is not for you. Please Leave. Thanx, The Management This sums up my experience, my opinions and what I consider an appropiate response to your insulting trollspeak. People that get tired of games and go to new games asking the same things of the old games in the new ones only to destroy them and them move on to the next remind me of filthy carrion eating necrotic zombie parasites. You and your ideas sir are better off in a new game, may I suggest you GBTWOW? WoW is that way -------------> <------------- Hello Kitty Online is that way Thank you very much. If eve ever began catering to the annoying whines of exWoWites we would all be staring at the SORRY GAME IS SHUTTING DOWN/No longer exists screen like Tabula Rasa or Matrix Online. Your delusions of supposed economic bounties coming from your brothers Serpentis/Guristas mafia owned money laundering cybercafes wich are the only option to save CCP from utter Bankruptcy or else Azeroth wielding Paladins will cast AOEs of Doom upon us all are truly the product of too many Combat Boosters gone wrong resold by famished minmatar flesh slaves ... Dont do Drugs and dont be like Joe man. Maybe you should try playing Duke Nukem Forever. --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Yatooooroooooo Because EVE and PVP in EVE is not a sport with two even teams like in your mainstream gaming poo. This is war. exactly. this is no duel with pistols at 10 paces, nor a happy-go-by paintball match. it's war out there, war for resources, war for fear, war for making your life miserable for any reason or no reason at all. We could care less about what you were doing or for how long you were playing or whatever you were doing before you got blown'd up. This is a free for all and you're no more than a pothole in this road. I read this with Dennis Hopper's voice in my mind. Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
Space Penguin H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.12.06 20:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Why can't CCP make it so that they have millions of subscribers like in other mmos? ... because then we would have to deal with millions of whiny little b*tches who are too stupid to play anything unless its dumbed down to the comprehension level of a inbred 8 year old with the IQ of a bucket of fish fingers. People like you basically want to play an in-space version of Pacman that has had the ghosts removed because you feel that any risk is unfair. We don't want them here ruining our game and are quite happy for all those aforementioned accidents of birth to keep on playing WoW or whatever mindless drivel that their parents allow them to play. Also ... because Goonswarm would have a 99% share of the player base !! The Daily FIX
NightmareX Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:01:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/12/2009 21:08:31 Originally by: Tuscun Nebular Why can't CCP make it so that they have millions of subscribers like in other mmos? Because quality over quantity. And thank god that EVE is quality over quantity. Having 10-14 years old kids farting around in EVE crying all the time here. NO THANKS. And how many players do you play with in WoW?, 8-10k max per server?. So what you do in Wow, doesn't mean much to many. But what i do in EVE can mean ALOT to over 300k subscribers. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:07:00 - [28] Edited by: Zeba on 06/12/2009 21:07:31 Originally by: NightmareX Having 10-14 years old kids farting around in EVE crying all the time here. NO THANKS. So I guess all the 24-50 years old kids farting around in EVE crying all the time here is ok then? Originally by: CCP Casqade The forum does not represent anywhere close to 90% of the users. In fact it represents a clear minority of them.
Hardiel Da'le'mei	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:09:00 - [29] PVP is never going to be balanced in a game that has fleets, bigger ships, larger guns etc. You do know that a frigate can take a battleship don't you? If they know what they are doing the battleship can't touch them. What your saying is you want a dreadnaught to be balanced with a mining ship? Doesn't work like that sorry mate :) The problem with EVE is the steep learning curve, no super quick gratification and NOT the difference between a 5 year character and a 1 month character. Tell me any game where you can jump into the end game right away, and I'll show you that game isn't worth playing. I know people that have been playnig for 5 years and they are only doing exploring and mining still, yeah they've moved from high sec to 0.0, but they are still doing what they were doing
NightmareX Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2009.12.06 21:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 06/12/2009 21:07:31 Originally by: NightmareX Having 10-14 years old kids farting around in EVE crying all the time here. NO THANKS. So I guess all the 24-50 years old kids farting around in EVE crying all the time here is ok then? Yeah, it's at least better than the 10-14 years old kids crying. If you know what i mean. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise



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