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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:01:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Yes they would be used more often to a degree but it would be the Hurricane that would be used more for the most part.
Probably more then the rest of Gallente combined.
They are easily countered by Gallente especially since solo or small gang, Talos > Cane. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:08:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:
They are easily countered by Gallente especially since solo or small gang, Talos > Cane.
Could not be a better example of what I am talking about bringing up the best Gallente small gang ship currently.
The Taloscane.
That is what it is, a slightly less accurate Shield Hurricane with a bigger focus on DPS over tank. Not many people are flying them Armor. Its Hurricane like speed and Null range mock every other Gallente ship that can not pull a Talos.
In fact I was going to mention that there would be a slight increase of Talos use along with the Cane hampered by the 120mil fully fit out price tag and player nervousness over glass ships but an increase non the less of the Minmatar Talos.
The issue isn't the Talos, the issue is that all other Gallente Ships can't and should not be Taloscanes. I want the Talos to be as good as it is now with an Armor tank so it can actually be a Talos and not well you know...
A Taloscane. |
Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:44:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Noisrevbus master of the 3 Paragraph TLDR
It's down from six, gimme a break  .
It was shorter to begin with, but after Mfume's reply i wanted to rule out some confusion.
Alara IonStorm wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:
tl:dr Fewer people use Gallente for PvP because fewer people do solo/small gang PvP. If there were more reasons for solo/small gang warfare in EVE compared to fleet fights, Gallente (in their current iteration) would be used more often.
Yeah but is that really true. Yes they would be used more often to a degree but it would be the Hurricane that would be used more for the most part. Probably more then the rest of Gallente combined.
See, one of my main arguments was that i don't see Gallente as limited to solo/small. It's a fair simplification, but it comes with the risk of misunderstanding. Gallente are not only single/small, isolated to lowsec. That's a picture easy for people to pick up.
I see 25-man gangs or 50-man gangs as something entirely different. I see those numbers as something most corporations, and even alliances, in EVE have a problem fielding on their own accord.
That difference is very important.
To me, that's norm - while coalition is excess. In currently trending perspectives both among playerbase and developers, much larger gangs are becomming the norm. CCP Soundwave is going to have ever repeating issues trying to remake the entire game to fit that perspective. He will repetively hit and upset balance-mines.
More gypsy drivel...
The second argument is interaction. Wormholes are not interactive. FW is not interactive. Incursions are not interactive. The empire wardec merc-market focus is not interactive. Interacting with them from the outside is discouraged. It's scripted and targeted content. The list goes on. They are theme parks. The very thing CCP buzz claim to be against.
The buzzwords this game was built around are: sandbox, emergence and single-server. They still spit them out, but in reality most of what they do is the complete opposite.
They should spend effort fixing the core sandbox, not creating more advertised rides. I think mercing, as Noir do it, is an awesome ride. It's still a ride. Noir would benefit far more from having their "asset denial operations" truely effectful. Then their services would be more coveted. They and everyone else would benefit so much more from that than they would a hollow merc marketplace, that's taken a full development cycle to introduce.
If CCP Unifex truely did live in Syndicate he would know that those once roaming entities now mostly just sit around and poke at each other. They, as much as Noir, would benefit a whole lot more from seeing up-down scale interaction fixed. The merc marketplace have essentially no value to them, though amusingly those corporations have a history of Gallente love. From The Church to Cry Havoc, Rote Kapelle and Agony Unleashed in their respective era; they have all provided examples of making Gallente powerful in more ways than just solo BS blasting lowsec undocks.
Gallente are appearantly quite good at denying assets  . |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.20 02:59:00 -
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Noisrevbus wrote:Noir would benefit far more from having their "asset denial operations" truely effectful
This is where you lost me. What is or has been making it ineffective and what do you think will fix it?
Noisrevbus wrote:
If CCP Unifex truely did live in Syndicate he would know that those once roaming entities now mostly just sit around and poke at each other. They, as much as Noir, would benefit a whole lot more from seeing up-down scale interaction fixed
What has caused them to slow there roam and what do you mean up-down scale interaction? |
Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:27:00 -
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As for the Taloscane, the issue is that it's a Tier 3 BC - putting all other ships to shame. Nothing else.
If you look at all other Gallente ships the balance between shield and armor is actually quite good. Shield fits provide adaptive and niched options (extreme damage, high speeds; yet flimsy) while armor is generally better in a racially proned situation (ie., when you fly setups or gangs that specificly draw on the racial advantages).
The Thorax as well as the Deimos is swift and ganky in shields. Not a Taloscane, but definately a chip off the Minmatar block with it's own quirks.
In an armor setup, wether it's active or plated, they can really shine though; once you've aquired the taste and realized that being slowed down is not the same as being slow, and when you stand to draw on all available slots. Effective use of webs for example, is something very undervalued in the game atm., while at the same time blapping is considered overpowered. Quite the paradox.
The Deimos is considered worthless and the Tengu is considered overpowered, yet there are few ships better equipped for killing Tengus than Deimoses. Another paradox. It has the tank, the resist profile, the mids to tackle and-or dualprop, breakthrough damage, utility drones and can hurt a sensitive cap.
What arguments does it face? The only thing you see repeated is comments about how it "Dies most" despite having an equal or better tank to many other HACs (and a resist profile that make "overpowered" HML cry). "It's slow" even though you can break 3km/s with it 1600 plated, and run your cap down low. "It's tank denies damage mods" even though it breaks general 400-500 dps averages and have drones to apply at discretion on the side.
Most Gallente ships have that balance between armor and shield. Ishtar and Domi, both competent in shields, active armor and plated.
Though i agree Alara, it's a shame that the Talos break that racial trait. It's just that it's a class that supercedes race. Those BC are much more alike each other than they are their respective race. It's the same as Stealth bombers, Interdictors and other specialist ships. Ships that fit into the common singular large fleet role.
They were afterall made to overtake SHAC, in a fit of thinking SHAC grew out of popularity because they were ineffective. While in reality, they grew out of popularity because they were cost-ineffective. You could halve their damage output and they would still be used. Doing that would maybe create some leeway to arrange the slots in some other way. It would also recreate a reasonable balance to SHAC - letting you pay twice the price for better sensors and potential tracking.
On the other hand, i'd be equally happy to see that tier/class removed  . |
Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:46:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:
This is where you lost me. What is or has been making it ineffective and what do you think will fix it?
What has caused them to slow there roam and what do you mean up-down scale interaction?
As everything else, it's all related.
up-down scale interaction simply means "smaller and larger groups, gangs or shiptypes etc. interacting".
Today they don't interact very much because there are no tangible goals or reasons to interact.
I use the collective term 'scale' because it's not just "blame Goons and their politics", as some people tend to croak.
Some of this has been aknowledged. The CSM had their "farms and fields" discussions which is essentially one side of the larger discussion revolving around hitpoint-based infrastructure (and multiple-day timers). There need to be alternatives to those, that appeal to smaller groups, smaller gangs, smaller shiptypes etc.
Another example is the "ring mining" idea. Made to put player action in space back on the map. When you do that you simultanously put player inter-action back on the map (interacting a Mackinaw is obviously better balanced between scales than a moon-tower; both in terms of shooting it, capitalizing from that, affording it or using it). Besides Moros and Nyx, Gallente also have much more appealing options interacting with a Mackinaw than a tower. It's different for other races as the common fleet comps of today still interact quite well with towers. It's quite akin to a large fleet grid. It's just as easy bombing a mass of drones off a stationary structure as it is on a clumped static grid.
It's a sluggish Gallente-example, but it's on topic nontheless.
Both of them good ideas, and i know they are said to be slated for upcomming release. I'm just continously toting that horn to point out how it relates to "Ships and modules", and because i'm sceptical. It's long overdue, it's been talked about for ages. Like Seleene has said on numerous occasions: "There were so many things in Dominion that was postponed, to the point that what was rolled out wasn't really Dominion anymore" (loosely cited). I'm also sceptical because they keep pushing back things, they keep introducing peripheral things and they keep discussing other, contradicting, changes (such as ship rebalancing, that will be completely superfluous and possibly even imbalancing if they fix 'scales'). That's how that discussion relates to this forum - because ship balancing is still being done without attention to 'scales'. That's why i keep defending the Drake because they are trying to slay the image of the 'Drake' (the Drake-blob) without any good ideas for the actual ship and they risk just enforcing that image. Thus reinforcing the problem of the Drake-blob.
If there are alternative ways for large and small to interact and grief each other you will see groups of players interacting both up and down, both undermanned and overmanned. We need that, because it will make us less hesitent to interact, more entities will likely pop up and contribute to what will become more (player-) action. |
Dethis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:50:00 -
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So (I just re subbed after 3 years) essentially I should start retraining minmitar for PvP? I am fully invested in blasters and drones from back then. 18m SP with 4m in drones 5m in SC and 4.5 in gunnery all towards gallente stuff with a little minmitar stuff |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
896
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:05:00 -
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Dethis wrote:So (I just re subbed after 3 years) essentially I should start retraining minmitar for PvP? I am fully invested in blasters and drones from back then. 18m SP with 4m in drones 5m in SC and 4.5 in gunnery all towards gallente stuff with a little minmitar stuff
Why should you? Gallente is just as great as any race.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:17:00 -
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Dethis wrote:So (I just re subbed after 3 years) essentially I should start retraining minmitar for PvP? I am fully invested in blasters and drones from back then. 18m SP with 4m in drones 5m in SC and 4.5 in gunnery all towards gallente stuff with a little minmitar stuff
That really depends on what scale of Warfare you are in. Sometimes bare bones diversity is enough in a lot of ways. If you are looking to widen the scope of what you can do in the game it takes less time and skill points then you think once you have the core skills.
I went Hurricane early on and it was the best SP I ever spent followed quickly by the Drake then all the core skills to go with them. When Crucible hit it took me a month to get Medium Blasters and another month to get large because I had the skill backing it. By the sounds of it in 2 Months you could have the Cane and Drake with all the skills necessary which opens a lot of doors without diversifying to far from your goal.
I find Gallente useful for a lot of the small stuff, Shield or Active Brutix is an okay ship for most small gangs same with the Thorax. Myrmidon is niche but powerful, I have faced some pretty deadly Myrmidon pilots. When jumping into a hostile small gate camp a Megathron or Neut Dominix are the ships to fear. Talos's are pretty deadly when flown correctly in the right circumstances, I just finished the skill for mine a week ago. (Been dragging my heals on large blasters for Pulse Lasers) The Gallente Frigate lineup is plain out deadly as well.
The current scope of Gallente warfare is small. If you are looking for a fleet boat Drakes are the fastest way since 90% of fleet doctrine uses them and Alpha Maels with Minmatar BS 3-4 and Large Arty 3-4 are a quick side train. Naga you pretty much get for free at Cal Cruiser 3 with your Hybrid Skill.
But that is fleet stuff. In the right environment Gallente will serve you well but cross training the basics is easy at this stage. So it depends on what you want to do. I would highly recommend Drake and Cane though for the time involved. |
Dethis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:30:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Dethis wrote:So (I just re subbed after 3 years) essentially I should start retraining minmitar for PvP? I am fully invested in blasters and drones from back then. 18m SP with 4m in drones 5m in SC and 4.5 in gunnery all towards gallente stuff with a little minmitar stuff That really depends on what scale of Warfare you are in. Sometimes bare bones diversity is enough in a lot of ways. If you are looking to widen the scope of what you can do in the game it takes less time and skill points then you think once you have the core skills. I went Hurricane early on and it was the best SP I ever spent followed quickly by the Drake then all the core skills to go with them. When Crucible hit it took me a month to get Medium Blasters and another month to get large because I had the skill backing it. By the sounds of it in 2 Months you could have the Cane and Drake with all the skills necessary which opens a lot of doors without diversifying to far from your goal. I find Gallente useful for a lot of the small stuff, Shield or Active Brutix is an okay ship for most small gangs same with the Thorax. Myrmidon is niche but powerful, I have faced some pretty deadly Myrmidon pilots. When jumping into a hostile small gate camp a Megathron or Neut Dominix are the ships to fear. Talos's are pretty deadly when flown correctly in the right circumstances, I just finished the skill for mine a week ago. (Been dragging my heals on large blasters for Pulse Lasers) The Gallente Frigate lineup is plain out deadly as well. The current scope of Gallente warfare is small. If you are looking for a fleet boat Drakes are the fastest way since 90% of fleet doctrine uses them and Alpha Maels with Minmatar BS 3-4 and Large Arty 3-4 are a quick side train. Naga you pretty much get for free at Cal Cruiser 3 with your Hybrid Skill. But that is fleet stuff. In the right environment Gallente will serve you well but cross training the basics is easy at this stage. So it depends on what you want to do. I would highly recommend Drake and Cane though for the time involved.
I have no real interest in blobby fleet stuff just roaming gangs and smaller engagements. I prefer cruiser class sized ships and interceptors.
Time to start cross training minimitar anyway so I have something if I stumble my way into a big corp at some point, still getting my feet wet. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:44:00 -
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Dethis wrote:So (I just re subbed after 3 years) essentially I should start retraining minmitar for PvP? I am fully invested in blasters and drones from back then. 18m SP with 4m in drones 5m in SC and 4.5 in gunnery all towards gallente stuff with a little minmitar stuff
Versatility is always in style. Adding Minmatar skills to your repetoire will also open up the Serpentis and Angel ships to you, which is well worthwhile. Gallente and Minmatar have a very good cross-train synergy IMO.
Incidentally, if you already have large hybrids trained up, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to quickly train Caldari Cruiser 3 before you start on Minmatar, to get access to the Naga as well.
If you like small ships then take note that the Hybrid AFs (specifically including the Harpy) are pretty awesome right now as well.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:44:00 -
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Dethis wrote:
I have no real interest in blobby fleet stuff just roaming gangs and smaller engagements. I prefer cruiser class sized ships and interceptors.
Gallente should serve you well then. If I were you I would consider getting medium Autocannons for the Hurricane and Rupture. Getting them also gets you the Rifter, Cyclone and Thrasher as well. Also the new Slasher designs are not looking bad. A months training to pull several good fast ships that are very fun.
There isn't really a rush since small and mixed gangs are a good home for Gallente Ships now days. A lot of people tend to pull out their Radar Guns to measure speed but in most cases it isn't as big a factor as people think. There are those rare times when you do get kited but in a gang with tackle even Drones / Range it is rarer that it out and out kills you. Overheat MWD burn in melt face. There Agility is also a bit better as well helping to get out of tough spots.
Crucible did a lot of good for Gallente. |
Bouh Revetoile
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2012.06.20 08:59:00 -
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For small gang, gallente are very effective and versatile.
If you like frigates, gallente ones are almighty and deadly.
For super large fleet, they have the Lachesis/Arazu/Proteus which are very wanted by every FC for long range tackle.
No need for minmatar flying garbages. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
896
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:18:00 -
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Dethis wrote: I have no real interest in blobby fleet stuff just roaming gangs and smaller engagements. I prefer cruiser class sized ships and interceptors. Time to start cross training minimitar anyway so I have something if I stumble my way into a big corp at some point, still getting my feet wet. Quote:Why should you? Gallente is just as great as any race. So I can breath a sigh of relief? I can still fly my blaster/drone boats?
Yes you can :) I don't fly anything else, small gang warfare in wormholes and low. The effect of race is minimal compared to your own (and gangs) combat skills and tactical excellence, choose your engagements so they favor your ship/gang comp and you can succeed with any ship. That said, Gallente today has several ships that rank very highly, starting with frigates (AFs and ceptors included) to the deadly cloaky Proteus and the almost-OP Talos.
I regard Talos as a game changer for Gallente, it offers a very powerful option for nano-gangs, something we didn't have before. It's faster and lays a lot more hurt at superior range to a nano-Cane, for example.
T1 cruisers are not common in w-space, but post-Crucible Vexor compares very favorably to a Rupture, and Thorax is a classic.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:39:00 -
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Have you seen the scene in Indiana Jones where a local swings wildly his sword showing off and looking really dangerous, u canlok at it on youtube. Gal are a lot like that swordsman |
Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
8
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:54:00 -
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Songbird wrote:Have you seen the scene in Indiana Jones where a local swings wildly his sword showing off and looking really dangerous, you can see it at youtube. Gal are a lot like that swordsman
Failtfit to be honest. He should've had some propulsions mods fit, mebbe a T1 Horse. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
896
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Posted - 2012.06.20 09:57:00 -
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Songbird wrote:Have you seen the scene in Indiana Jones where a local swings wildly his sword showing off and looking really dangerous, you can see it at youtube. Gal are a lot like that swordsman
That's the Minmatar fantasy. On Tranquility, however, the situation is more like a riot. Gallente, the riot police advancing relentlessly while Minmatar hippies pitifully plink them with little stones. In the end the hippies either run away, or get beaten to a bloody pulp.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Songbird
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Posted - 2012.06.20 10:20:00 -
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Rashmika Clavain wrote:Songbird wrote:Have you seen the scene in Indiana Jones where a local swings wildly his sword showing off and looking really dangerous, you can see it at youtube. Gal are a lot like that swordsman Failtfit to be honest. He should've had some propulsions mods fit, mebbe a T1 Horse.
Tbh cavalry has been redundant since they improved the guns |
shortattenionsp
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:28:00 -
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Imo they are (a bit) underused because most Gal ships are armour tankers and with this + short ranged weapons they are forced to commit to fights rather than kite / skirt around a fight with the option of breaking off. With other races I can stay aligned or out of scram range meaning I can GTFO if I think things are going against me or more people turn up etc. With Gallente you are chargeing into scram/web range and praying nothing else turns up.
Blaster DPS and Gal ship EHP really isn't hugely higher than other races frankly. Unless you can get within scram range really fast it's often not enough to kill your opponent before you pop if you've taken damage on the way in.
Shield tanking is a bit better for most situations imo. Shield ships ends up faster and with higher DPS and range. Less tackle but you don't need it as badly because you're faster and can keep up with more things and have range so you don't have to stay really close to your target. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
899
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Posted - 2012.06.20 12:39:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:Talos is awesome and if you want to have speed, dps and range, you should fly Gallente.
FYP
For other Gal ships, toss the opponent with ECM drones and warp away.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
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shortattenionsp
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:24:00 -
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Roime wrote:shortattenionsp wrote:Talos is awesome and if you want to have speed, dps and range, you should fly Gallente. FYP For other Gal ships, toss the opponent with ECM drones and warp away.
Yup the Talos is awesome. Dishonour drones work well enough but I hate using them frankly as I hate it when other people use them!
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
217
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Posted - 2012.06.20 15:40:00 -
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If medium rails didnt suck so hard, they would be way better at being aHACs. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:53:00 -
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Sentry Ishtar can do the aHAC thing aswell but you need a fleet of people organized and skilled/sp'ed enough for sentry drones. |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:26:00 -
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Thank you for your responses guys. So it seems that the main problems summed up are:
1. They are fine solo and in small gangs, so in a number of cases there are no glaring problems.
2. Rig penalties hurt them, aside from that their speed is fine
3a. Blasters don't have good damage projection in large gangs
3b. The fact that eve has trended towards large gangs kind of hurts them
4. Drones could be easier to use
5. Aside from the Talos, they lack a good DPS ship for larger fleets.
Some of these fixes seem self evident.
As an aside, the talk about damage projection made me think. Gallente EW is based on hampering sensor range, which would be fine in small gangs to reduce the damage projection of other races, but not in larger ones for evening out the odds.
The purpose of hi sec isn't to eliminate PvP but to weed out the dumb pvpers. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
161
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:18:00 -
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Brutix |
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs
Exodus.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:40:00 -
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Gallente boats are used quite a bit for pvp. No one ever see's them because 90% of eve is stuck on Maelstrom/drake blobs. (Yay for gankbears everywhere.) Or aren't skilled for the damn blasters. As with every other race in eve most ships are used situationaly. I can name off a couple gallente ships that are used quite a bit.
Lachesis/Arazu: Good long range tackle for small gangs all the way up to the big blobs
Talos: Probably the most powerfull mix of glass cannon/nano faggotry ship in the game
Brutix: Good solo boat
Proteus: Best Tank/dps ratio for any subcap in game and probably the best heavy tackle for armor fleets.
Ares: One of the best interceptors in game
Ishkur/enyo: Extremely durable solo frigs that can dish out good applied dps.
Megathron: Still the coolest and best bang for your buck close range battleship in game.
Myrm: extremely durable solo ship that can tank quite a bit.
Deimos: Suprisingly still a good ship despite its Die most reputation. Probably the best ship to fight drakes with and ive seen Ahac blobs of deimos's as well.
Vindicater: (i know its a pirate BS , it still uses blasters so shut your face) The most DPS out of any subcap in game and a nasty web bonus to make anyone who looks at it funny die in a fire. Super nasty if used for hotdrops with triage support.
All in all , you have to look in the right places to find them being used. just because the big Gankbear nullsec blobs don't use them all the time doesn't mean they aren't popular.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:43:00 -
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Linna Excel wrote:
5. Aside from the Talos, they lack a good DPS ship for larger fleets.
Talos isn't a fleet ship it is a small gang ship through and through. Mid Range it is out preformed by the Oracle and in Sniping it is out preformed by all three other ships in different areas. Nado/Volley, Naga/Range, Oracle DPS.
It isn't DPS they lack. It is a bunch of different things. Tank / DPS / Accuracy and so forth. Would a fleet of 50 Rail Megathrons with tackle and support be a dangerous force. Absolutely but the Abbadon has more resists, better EHP and is more accurate with Scorch in mid range. Drake has the EHP, good range with low DPS at a 3rd the cost. Rokh does slightly less damage at a greater range. I could go on.
When you talk fleets it has less to do about what works but a lot of factors are taken into account.
* Cost.
* Average pilot Training Lvl.
* Ease of use.
* Range.
* Accuracy.
* Speed.
* DPS.
* Ect.
It is a Crap Shoot what people pick for there gang. People figure other ships have it 5-25% better so they go with them instead.
Linna Excel wrote:
As an aside, the talk about damage projection made me think. Gallente EW is based on hampering sensor range, which would be fine in small gangs to reduce the damage projection of other races, but not in larger ones for evening out the odds.
Yes but it got nerfed pretty bad I hear. It isn't very effective overall with Gal Ships. Often times it doesn't shrink target range far enough to get people into scram range and when it does they run rather then dumbly run into the grinder.
So you are in the same position you were in as before where they don't close range. There are Long Range Niche Gang setups I've heard of that use but nothing like ECM or TD's which are very effective.
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
161
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:47:00 -
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Brutix is basically a cheaper slightly less powerful talos. |
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