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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:11:00 -
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Hill Austrene wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:If you're a **** in-game, there's a pretty solid chance you're a **** in real life. Because how one behaves in a fictional setting directly relates to their personal life. The setting may be fictional but the interactions are real. You may not be physically hurting someone, but emotionally the impact is still very real. And exposure to that sort of emotional impact is what the victim signed up for when they payed their $15 and logged in. I fail to see the problem with a work of art providing emotional impact. I didn't say there was a problem. I said the OP's actions in game probably reflects who he is outside of EVE. Then I questioned his reasoning for wanting to inflict negative emotional impact on other players.
He didn't. He wanted to blow their ship up. Their reaction to him doing so is entirely out of his control. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:12:00 -
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Hill Austrene wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:If you're a **** in-game, there's a pretty solid chance you're a **** in real life. Because how one behaves in a fictional setting directly relates to their personal life. The setting may be fictional but the interactions are real. You may not be physically hurting someone, but emotionally the impact is still very real. And exposure to that sort of emotional impact is what the victim signed up for when they payed their $15 and logged in. I fail to see the problem with a work of art providing emotional impact. I didn't say there was a problem. I said the OP's actions in game probably reflects who he is outside of EVE. Then I questioned his reasoning for wanting to inflict negative emotional impact on other players.
Confirming I kill people IRL that go about their business with out paying attention. Apart from that, I seem to have missed the part where I purposely inflicted a negative emotional impact. I killed a Hulk, they got upset. I think most reasonable people would agree that it was self-inflicted.
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Washichu May
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:13:00 -
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In the end this game may serve as asylum for psychopats to live out their aggression and malice, without hurting people IRL.
However, psychologists agree that this is bad idea and that psychopats should not be encouraged, but instead enlightened that is in their own interest to try and mimic normal people, if they want to get anywhere in life. Cos it is either wall street, or McDonalds, and OP doesn't sound like someone from Ivy League.  |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:14:00 -
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Washichu May wrote:In the end this game may serve as asylum for psychopats to live out their aggression and malice, without hurting people IRL. However, psychologists agree that this is bad idea and that psychopats should not be encouraged, but instead enlightened that is in their own interest to try and mimic normal people, if they want to get anywhere in life. Cos it is either wall street, or McDonalds, and OP doesn't sound like someone from Ivy League. 
So, mr internet psychologist, why is it that that you think people who enjoy PvP in a PvP game are mentally unbalanced? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
536
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:15:00 -
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Malacath Azaria wrote: I think most reasonable people would agree that it was self-inflicted.
Ok, now who's delusional in thinking reasonable people exist. |

Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:17:00 -
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He knew that, to one degree or another, he would be causing emotional impact. Now, he didn't know how much, but he did know that his actions would create a reaction in another person. He also knew that the reaction would most likely be negative. Yet, he chose to take the risk of causing another person suffering in order to make himself happy. Not even happy, amused. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:17:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote: I think most reasonable people would agree that it was self-inflicted.
Ok, now who's delusional in thinking reasonable people exist.
His statement is not inconsistent with the possibility of the set [reasonable people] being empty. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Shukuzen Kiraa
Viziam Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:17:00 -
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Malacath Azaria wrote:Hulkageddon may be over (sort of), but it's spirit will forever live on. I found myself rather bored yesterday, waiting for a guy to log on so I could gank his so-called ungankable hulk. It didn't happen, so I decided to kill a random hulk for a giggle. I found this. Being happy with my quick little gank, I was about to hit the sack & received a convo from the other person in the belt. If I'm to take a guess, I killed a husband & wife veld mining team... And she clearly wears the pants. If I'm to take another guess, it appears that they're planning to sell the accounts. Mission accomplished?
Aww look at you brag about killing a defenseless ship on the internet. You're just the coolest ever. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:18:00 -
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Hill Austrene wrote:He knew that, to one degree or another, he would be causing emotional impact. Now, he didn't know how much, but he did know that his actions would create a reaction in another person. He also knew that the reaction would most likely be negative. Yet, he chose to take the risk of causing another person suffering in order to make himself happy. Not even happy, amused.
His actions created the impact that the other player is playing the game to experience. If they've mistakenly picked the wrong game, that is not his fault. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:19:00 -
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Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hulkageddon may be over (sort of), but it's spirit will forever live on. I found myself rather bored yesterday, waiting for a guy to log on so I could gank his so-called ungankable hulk. It didn't happen, so I decided to kill a random hulk for a giggle. I found this. Being happy with my quick little gank, I was about to hit the sack & received a convo from the other person in the belt. If I'm to take a guess, I killed a husband & wife veld mining team... And she clearly wears the pants. If I'm to take another guess, it appears that they're planning to sell the accounts. Mission accomplished? Aww look at you brag about killing a defenseless ship on the internet. You're just the coolest ever.
Hiya form alt, being all macho on the internet. You're just the coolest ever. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Washichu May
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:If you're a **** in-game, there's a pretty solid chance you're a **** in real life. Because how one behaves in a fictional setting directly relates to their personal life. The setting may be fictional but the interactions are real. You may not be physically hurting someone, but emotionally the impact is still very real. And exposure to that sort of emotional impact is what the victim signed up for when they payed their $15 and logged in. I fail to see the problem with a work of art providing emotional impact.
Of course you do. Which is the symptom of your disorder. |

Washichu May
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Washichu May wrote:In the end this game may serve as asylum for psychopats to live out their aggression and malice, without hurting people IRL. However, psychologists agree that this is bad idea and that psychopats should not be encouraged, but instead enlightened that is in their own interest to try and mimic normal people, if they want to get anywhere in life. Cos it is either wall street, or McDonalds, and OP doesn't sound like someone from Ivy League.  So, mr internet psychologist, why is it that that you think people who enjoy PvP in a PvP game are mentally unbalanced?
There is warfare and there is sadism.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
536
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: Hiya form alt, being all macho on the internet. You're just the coolest ever.
He does have a hood though. That's 20% cooler. |

Shukuzen Kiraa
Viziam Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:23:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hulkageddon may be over (sort of), but it's spirit will forever live on. I found myself rather bored yesterday, waiting for a guy to log on so I could gank his so-called ungankable hulk. It didn't happen, so I decided to kill a random hulk for a giggle. I found this. Being happy with my quick little gank, I was about to hit the sack & received a convo from the other person in the belt. If I'm to take a guess, I killed a husband & wife veld mining team... And she clearly wears the pants. If I'm to take another guess, it appears that they're planning to sell the accounts. Mission accomplished? Aww look at you brag about killing a defenseless ship on the internet. You're just the coolest ever. Hiya form alt, being all macho on the internet. You're just the coolest ever.
I'm not an alt. How is my pointing out his stupid bragging about killing a defenseless ship in anyway me being macho? I swear forum communities for all games are the worst bunch of people ever. You never get this amount of stupidity ingame...just you people who hang out here 24/7 thinking anything you say matters. |

Washichu May
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:23:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:He knew that, to one degree or another, he would be causing emotional impact. Now, he didn't know how much, but he did know that his actions would create a reaction in another person. He also knew that the reaction would most likely be negative. Yet, he chose to take the risk of causing another person suffering in order to make himself happy. Not even happy, amused. His actions created the impact that the other player is playing the game to experience. If they've mistakenly picked the wrong game, that is not his fault.
Every bully blames the victim. Another match to the profile. |

Serena Serene
University of Caille Gallente Federation
732
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:24:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:I didn't say there was a problem. I said the OP's actions in game probably reflects who he is outside of EVE. Then I questioned his reasoning for wanting to inflict negative emotional impact on other players. He didn't. He wanted to blow their ship up. Their reaction to him doing so is entirely out of his control. It's like collecting rent from someone who lands on your Boardwalk Hotel.
The "mission accomplished" comment of the OP might be interpreted as some sort of satisfaction caused by the reaction of the victims. I'm not sure the OP thinks so, so I'll assume he doesn't. But I can see people understand it like this.
I always assume that I'll maybe make people angry when I shoot their stuff (didn't do that often, so far, and only once successfully.. well) and that they'll want to get back at me, ingame, but not that they will be hurt for real.
I don't see anything wrong in liking to destroy other people's ships. But like mentioned above, I do also think it's questionable if someone likes when this action causes real emotional pain in the victim. But the victim also should remember this here is a game where things get blown up, and if that causes such pain it might not be the right game.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:24:00 -
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Washichu May wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:If you're a **** in-game, there's a pretty solid chance you're a **** in real life. Because how one behaves in a fictional setting directly relates to their personal life. The setting may be fictional but the interactions are real. You may not be physically hurting someone, but emotionally the impact is still very real. And exposure to that sort of emotional impact is what the victim signed up for when they payed their $15 and logged in. I fail to see the problem with a work of art providing emotional impact. Of course you do. Which is the symptom of your disorder.
What disorder is that?
Art provokes negative emotions all the time. The Horror Genre. Tragedies. Pornography (the crushing loneliness after you're done: that's intentional) Romance (the crushing loneliness after you're done: that's intentional) This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:24:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hiya form alt, being all macho on the internet. You're just the coolest ever.
You said the forbidden word, now you're going to have it in your head for a couple of hours !!
brb |

Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:He knew that, to one degree or another, he would be causing emotional impact. Now, he didn't know how much, but he did know that his actions would create a reaction in another person. He also knew that the reaction would most likely be negative. Yet, he chose to take the risk of causing another person suffering in order to make himself happy. Not even happy, amused. His actions created the impact that the other player is playing the game to experience. If they've mistakenly picked the wrong game, that is not his fault.
I seriously doubt that the victims bought the game to feel emotionally like they were being bullied or taken advantage of. They probably bought it because they wanted to fly virtual spaceships.
OP chose to do something that causes other people to hurt. He did it because it was amusing to him. He didn't do it to get a killmail or to see the explosion effects - he did it to cause distress to another human. Probably because it gave him a sense of power.
It's like keying someones car in a parking lot. You don't know the person, you don't really have anything to gain, but you key the car because you know, when they come out of the store, they'll see it and be upset. Causing that pain to someone else gives 'key-er' satisfaction.
Edited for poor grammar. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:28:00 -
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Serena Serene wrote: I don't see anything wrong in liking to destroy other people's ships. But like mentioned above, I do also think it's questionable if someone likes when this action causes real emotional pain in the victim. But the victim also should remember this here is a game where things get blown up, and if that causes such pain it might not be the right game.
Frankly as far as psychoanalysis goes I'd be more concerned about the people who get all raged up over losing internet pixels. I mean honestly this guy has likely lost less in ships in the last several months than I have in the last week. Two of them were pet projects that were rather expensive that I was testing out (Both were successful then I died in them by getting cocky :v). Who cares? |

Hill Austrene
Rife Advanced Research Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:29:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Serena Serene wrote: I don't see anything wrong in liking to destroy other people's ships. But like mentioned above, I do also think it's questionable if someone likes when this action causes real emotional pain in the victim. But the victim also should remember this here is a game where things get blown up, and if that causes such pain it might not be the right game.
Frankly as far as psychoanalysis goes I'd be more concerned about the people who get all raged up over losing internet pixels. I mean honestly this guy has likely lost less in ships in the last several months than I have in the last week. Two of them were pet projects that were rather expensive that I was testing out (Both were successful then I died in them by getting cocky :v). Who cares?
Well, it's not the pixels, it's what they represent. Which, in the case of EVE, is time. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:33:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
In the Navy, sailors are Macho Men at the YMCA while they Go West where they Can't Stop the Music at 5 O'Clock in the Morning. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Washichu May
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:35:00 -
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You are a sociopath. Now I'm not condemning you, it is beyond your control, since it's genetic disorder. Not your parents, nor your upbringing, nor your environment. Those factors may act as triggers, but the real cause is that your brain is bit different then normal brain.
Now, you are not alone, nor is it hopeless. Current estimates are that 1-4% of population are sociopaths, but they are deceptive and pick out memes and company where they can "fly under radar", so if a single person notices something is off, they can attack, ridicule, use commonly known memes etc etc to justify their behaviour.
Sociopath cannot be cured, however, they can learn that if they behave uncensored, they are in for trouble, so it is in their interest (again no empathy or altruism, but self-interest, always) to learn to mimic other people, in order to have a place to live, career, sex, etc. Perhaps they should not have children. Ideal is to find a life-partner in a similar self-aware sociopath of the sex of their preference, and make a deal, so to say.
Hope this helps, don't worry :)
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:35:00 -
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Hill Austrene wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Hill Austrene wrote:He knew that, to one degree or another, he would be causing emotional impact. Now, he didn't know how much, but he did know that his actions would create a reaction in another person. He also knew that the reaction would most likely be negative. Yet, he chose to take the risk of causing another person suffering in order to make himself happy. Not even happy, amused. His actions created the impact that the other player is playing the game to experience. If they've mistakenly picked the wrong game, that is not his fault. I seriously doubt that the victims bought the game to feel emotionally like they were being bullied or taken advantage of. They probably bought it because they wanted to fly virtual spaceships. OP chose to do something that causes other people to hurt. He did it because it was amusing to him. He didn't do it to get a killmail or to see the explosion effects - he did it to cause distress to another human. Probably because it gave him a sense of power. It's like keying someones car in a parking lot. You don't know the person, you don't really have anything to gain, but you key the car because you know, when they come out of the store, they'll see it and be upset. Causing that pain to someone else gives 'key-er' satisfaction. Edited for poor grammar.
Then the victims picked a game which does not suit them, and I'm sorry that they wasted their time. The behavior that they feel bullies them is legal, anticipated, and encouraged by the developers of the game. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Flakey Foont
152
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:35:00 -
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It would appear OP is a classic sick ****. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1979
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:36:00 -
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Washichu May wrote:You are a sociopath. Now I'm not condemning you, it is beyond your control, since it's genetic disorder. Not your parents, nor your upbringing, nor your environment. Those factors may act as triggers, but the real cause is that your brain is bit different then normal brain.
Now, you are not alone, nor is it hopeless. Current estimates are that 1-4% of population are sociopaths, but they are deceptive and pick out memes and company where they can "fly under radar", so if a single person notices something is off, they can attack, ridicule, use commonly known memes etc etc to justify their behaviour.
Sociopath cannot be cured, however, they can learn that if they behave uncensored, they are in for trouble, so it is in their interest (again no empathy or altruism, but self-interest, always) to learn to mimic other people, in order to have a place to live, career, sex, etc. Perhaps they should not have children. Ideal is to find a life-partner in a similar self-aware sociopath of the sex of their preference, and make a deal, so to say.
Hope this helps, don't worry :)
And your Masters in Clinical Psychology is from...? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:37:00 -
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Hill Austrene wrote:OP chose to do something that causes other people to hurt. He did it because it was amusing to him. He didn't do it to get a killmail or to see the explosion effects - he did it to cause distress to another human. Probably because it gave him a sense of power.
I did it because it's amusing, yes. I did not do it to intentionally cause distress. If a person is distressed over losing a pixel spaceship then they have other issues completely out of my control that need to be addressed. The distress turned out to be another amusing by-product which is all it was - A by-product.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
536
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:39:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote: And your Masters in Clinical Psychology is from...?
University of Phoenix-« |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
245
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:40:00 -
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/likes  brb |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1979
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:40:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:RubyPorto wrote: And your Masters in Clinical Psychology is from...?
University of Phoenix-«
I'm a Phoenix...
... literally, I catch fire, like, all the time. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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