Originally by: Swatyy

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Chest beating words in a giant wall of words

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Originally by: Swatyy

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I think part of the problem might be the steath-nerf on the Hurricane. Many pilots think speedy shield tanked 'canes are the way to go post-Dominion. In my most humble opinion (it's a load of bull****), when you consider base armor resists against EM are 60% for armor and 0% for shields. But by all means, continue. As Napoleon said, "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

xDIAx | Swatyy

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Originally by: Ralnik

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Edited by: Ralnik on 13/12/2009 15:02:57

You are missing the biggest reason to fly a shield tanked cane. A shield tanked cane is not meant to try and stand toe to toe with another battle cruisers. The shields are just there for the buffer, but the real tank is mobility and speed and ability to GTFO.

Shield Canes since the latest update is an awesome ship, but like any other ship it has it's draw backs. If used correctly against the proper targets it's one of the best BC's to fly FTM. It's not the ship which is bad, but rather people that don't fly it the way the fit is intended.

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Originally by: Celen Guyver

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Don't you mean the Caldari victories?
You had nothing to do with it but be a giant tool, as always.
Go find more reasons to justify having slaves, tool.

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Originally by: Terrus Valkin

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I love how nobody cares that the war is a farce until OMAGAWD it's the poor Amarr and Minmatar having their cereal shat in. Wasn't so long ago that it was the Gallente being boned and nobody cared.

Hilarious.

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Originally by: Swatyy

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I agree, but that's the problem. People are so focused on the ability to run away, they sacrifice their edge in a stand up brawl... which means they have to run away that much more often.

From my perspective, an armor buffered Hurricane with an omni-resist tank is the most dangerous BC I (or an Amarrian in general) can fly against. The shield tank turns it into a poor substitute for a vagabond on a shoestring budget.

But you eloquently state the problem: its not the ship that's at fault, it's the pilot. Nonetheless, again in my humble opinion, there is fault when pilots shield tank their 'canes.

So says the Harbinger pilot with no propulsion mod or cap injector.

xDIAx | Swatyy

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Originally by: Terrus Valkin

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I love how nobody cares that the war is a farce until OMAGAWD it's the poor Amarr and Minmatar having their cereal shat in. Wasn't so long ago that it was the Gallente being boned and nobody cared.

Hilarious.

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Originally by: Kora Zilesti

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I love how the Caldari impact is a footnote in your mind. Well, bullsh*t. The Caldari are absolutely the variable that has toppled the balance of power and you would be foolish to deny it. There's a reason the PERVS took their standings-exploiting alts to Minmatar space, and it's to do exactly that: Screw up the balance between Amarr and Minmatar plexers. For whatever their true motivation, it's working splendidly - and you guys need to realize that.

It's more like the PERVS are capturing Minmatar plexes with Amarr help.

Seriously.

It is for NO OTHER REASON.

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Originally by: Swatyy

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When I enlisted in the Imperial Crusade, one thing I liked was the balance between the Amarr and Minmatar forces. Both sides held their space well and both would field fleets of similar size and strength. The balance of power meant that those who roll around alone could expect to find small groups of medium sized ships to prey on.

Things in Faction Warfare have changed over the last couple weeks. IÆve witnessed the 24th Crusade overwhelm the Minmatar rebels (with Caldari help), and there is no doubt the balance of power has tipped in AmarrÆs favor. But have we really won, or have we changed the power dynamic for the worse?

What about those who seek glory outside structured command, how do they fare in the new order of things? As one who avoids Militia fleets, I find it increasingly difficult to seek positive engagements. The Minmatar have adapted to the increased Amarr numbers by increasing total ships in a given fleet and scaling down the ship weight-class. The change in tactics is perfectly understandable from the Minmatar point of view, but not so good for predators like me. So I too must learn to adapt, in part by seeking new hunting grounds or engagements I otherwise would have avoided.

To illustrate the point, I submit for your entertainment these combat logs, battles that shouldÆve, couldÆve, wouldÆve gone another way, perhaps.

Sensor Logs [YouTube.com, HD]
Archives [Evefiles.com, 720p]

I think part of the problem might be the steath-nerf on the Hurricane. Many pilots think speedy shield tanked 'canes are the way to go post-Dominion. In my most humble opinion (it's a load of bull****), when you consider base armor resists against EM are 60% for armor and 0% for shields. But by all means, continue. As Napoleon said, "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

xDIAx | Swatyy

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Originally by: Invelious

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Originally by: Kora Zilesti

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I love how the Caldari impact is a footnote in your mind. Well, bullsh*t. The Caldari are absolutely the variable that has toppled the balance of power and you would be foolish to deny it. There's a reason the PERVS took their standings-exploiting alts to Minmatar space, and it's to do exactly that: Screw up the balance between Amarr and Minmatar plexers. For whatever their true motivation, it's working splendidly - and you guys need to realize that.

It's more like the PERVS are capturing Minmatar plexes with Amarr help.

Seriously.

It is for NO OTHER REASON.

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Its amazing how many people ignore the fact that Amarr has been and is still plexing. And that up until EM joined the minmatar militia the minnies did nothing, to either counter the plexing happening or try to stop the caldari.

p.s. It takes Amarrs to take a Min system, so the caldari cant seige the bunkers. Minnies only have themselves to blame for not stoping us. Only defensive I seen was in Taff, and they stoped us....at least the first time, we took the system later that day.

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Originally by: Muad' Dib

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It's only a failure if you continue making vids, acting pseudo-intellectual while sipping Starbucks.

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Originally by: Ralnik

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Yes, of course you Amarr had it rough having to shoot at each bunker for 20 mins while your little Caldri BFF's ran all the plexes. Something they are still doing even after it's been called a bug by CCP.

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Originally by: Swatyy

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When I enlisted in the Imperial Crusade, one thing I liked was the balance between the Amarr and Minmatar forces. Both sides held their space well and both would field fleets of similar size and strength. The balance of power meant that those who roll around alone could expect to find small groups of medium sized ships to prey on.

Things in Faction Warfare have changed over the last couple weeks. IÆve witnessed the 24th Crusade overwhelm the Minmatar rebels (with Caldari help), and there is no doubt the balance of power has tipped in AmarrÆs favor. But have we really won, or have we changed the power dynamic for the worse?

What about those who seek glory outside structured command, how do they fare in the new order of things? As one who avoids Militia fleets, I find it increasingly difficult to seek positive engagements. The Minmatar have adapted to the increased Amarr numbers by increasing total ships in a given fleet and scaling down the ship weight-class. The change in tactics is perfectly understandable from the Minmatar point of view, but not so good for predators like me. So I too must learn to adapt, in part by seeking new hunting grounds or engagements I otherwise would have avoided.

To illustrate the point, I submit for your entertainment these combat logs, battles that shouldÆve, couldÆve, wouldÆve gone another way, perhaps.

Sensor Logs [YouTube.com, HD]
Archives [Evefiles.com, 720p]

I think part of the problem might be the steath-nerf on the Hurricane. Many pilots think speedy shield tanked 'canes are the way to go post-Dominion. In my most humble opinion (it's a load of bull****), when you consider base armor resists against EM are 60% for armor and 0% for shields. But by all means, continue. As Napoleon said, "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

xDIAx | Swatyy

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Originally by: Tom Peeping

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LOL~

You sooooo totally miss the point of the nano cane. The point is to protect your killboard stats while still flying a viable combat ship. ... If you care about efficiency, it's a very important weakness to be found in hacs.

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Originally by: Rashmika Clavain

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Have you got a linky to CCP saying this mate? It's news, welcome news, to me!

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Originally by: Swatyy

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Originally by: Tom Peeping

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LOL~

You sooooo totally miss the point of the nano cane. The point is to protect your killboard stats while still flying a viable combat ship. ... If you care about efficiency, it's a very important weakness to be found in hacs.

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Two points.

First, not only do you fly a cheap (free) hull, you also fit it sub-optimally for the sole purpose of being able to run away faster than your opponent can chase you. With an attitude like this, I question why you would bother with PvP at all. If you stay docked, your efficiency will be 100% (of nothing, but 100% nonetheless).

Second, efficiency means jack ****. If specific objectives are accomplished, the cost really doesn't matter if you were willing to pay the actual price. The only time efficiency does matter is when it's considered as a function of time. E.g. for x number of hours ratting (PvP downtime), I can blow up 3 hacs or 15 hurricanes. Which is better to accomplish a given task?

Mobility to pick fights is one thing (and highly situational, as it shouldn't be done with a combat ship imo), but fitting to run away from fights you commit to is a self-defeating, self-fulfilling psychology. But as I said before, by all means, continue. More bones for me to chew on.

xDIAx | Swatyy

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